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Yes, this list is still functioning! #galicia

Renee Steinig
 

Those of you who subscribe to the main JewishGen Discussion Group know
that it transitioned a week ago to a new format, and there's been quite a bit
of discussion among its subscribers about the change.

A number of people have asked how the SIG lists have been affected and
some have expressed concern that they haven't heard >from us. For now,
JewishGen's special interest mailing lists, including our own, are
unchanged. Any messages that we receive are being delivered as usual,
via Lyris, in Plain Text format.

Gesher Galicia's last digest was distributed at about 2:00 a.m. U.S.
Eastern time on Friday, Oct. 11. Things have been quiet since then simply
because no one has written. We hope to hear >from you! As always, we
welcome postings related to research on Galitzianer families. Please send
any comments about the new format of the JewishGen Discussion Group
to support@... .

Wishing you all a happy, healthy, and productive new year,

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Moderator, Gesher Galicia
genmaven@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Yes, this list is still functioning! #galicia

Renee Steinig
 

Those of you who subscribe to the main JewishGen Discussion Group know
that it transitioned a week ago to a new format, and there's been quite a bit
of discussion among its subscribers about the change.

A number of people have asked how the SIG lists have been affected and
some have expressed concern that they haven't heard >from us. For now,
JewishGen's special interest mailing lists, including our own, are
unchanged. Any messages that we receive are being delivered as usual,
via Lyris, in Plain Text format.

Gesher Galicia's last digest was distributed at about 2:00 a.m. U.S.
Eastern time on Friday, Oct. 11. Things have been quiet since then simply
because no one has written. We hope to hear >from you! As always, we
welcome postings related to research on Galitzianer families. Please send
any comments about the new format of the JewishGen Discussion Group
to support@... .

Wishing you all a happy, healthy, and productive new year,

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Moderator, Gesher Galicia
genmaven@...


(Ireland) Irish Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates Online for Free; Irish Census Records # records access

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

The Irish Department of Culture, Heritage ad Gaeltacht and Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection have placed online Irish genealogy records that cover births from 1864 to 1918, deaths from 1878 and 1968, and marriages from 1864 to 1943.   The new additions include deaths in 1967 and 1968, births 1917 and 1918 and marriages from 1864 to 1869 and 1942 to 1943.

 

The General Register Office is currently working on further updating the records. Plans are in place to extend the digitalization of death certificates by 14 years to 1864, while there are also plans to update almost 20 years of marriage records.


To access the records go to the website Irish Genealogy.ie at: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/


To read more see: https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/genealogy/irish-geneaology-resource-free

 

Central Statistics Office

 

In 2014 the Central Statistics Office (CSO) published all the data it collected from every census since 1926, and it is available for free online. In a recent move the censuses from are now available at: https://www.cso.ie/en/census/

To read about the census through history see:  https://www.cso.ie/en/census/censusthroughhistory/

 

Jews in Ireland

While always a small Jewish community in Ireland it is an established community. In addition, a number of Jews immigrated to Ireland in the late 19th and 20th centuries whose families were from central Europe, due to the pogroms, and especially from Lithuania. Jews also stopped in Ireland along the way to immigrating to North America—and may have lived there for a few years.  You never know what an Irish vital records may reveal!

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 

 


Jewish Genealogical Society Meetings

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Rose Elbaum asked if there was a policy regarding holding Jewish Genealogical Society meetings on Jewish Holidays.  First, Jewish Genealogical Societies belong to the International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS), not JewishGen so the question about society policy does not belong on this forum.  I can tell you that IAJGS does not have any such policy, having been involved with IAJGS since 2004 I think I can say that as IAJGS does not dictate to its members.

 

Let me try to explain that JGSs in the United States are 501 (c) (3) organizations, by and large, for our non-profit status.  We are educational and cultural, not religious organizations, even if our focus is on Jewish genealogy. I don’t know of any JGS that meets on the major Jewish holidays, such as Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, the first two days of Passover, etc.  Lesser celebrated  holidays are another issue. If the JGS meets in a synagogue, as does the one where I am president, and the one where Rose meets, (two different societies 3,000 miles apart) if the synagogue is open and permits the meeting that is all that is necessary. My society meets in a Reform Synagogue, Rose’s society alternates between Reform and Conservative synagogues and a JCC, if their location agrees to the JGS meeting, then it is perfectly permissible to meet.

 

Specifically, Rose mentioned her society meeting on Shemini Atseret, and in speaking to the president of JGSGW, yes they met that day, last Sunday, but before the holiday began and the meeting ended way before sundown. Nothing wrong with that.

 

I also do not know of any JGS that holds meetings on Shabbat.  Now, that said, that does not mean we may not be involved in a community function that might meet on Shabbat, but we may lend our society names but not do anything on Shabbat for that function.  It also does not mean that individual members of the society, including the board members, may be involved with something on Shabbat. Again, we are not religious organizations, but educational and cultural ones,  we would certainly not have any prohibition for members to be involved in something.  I have accepted speaking engagements on Shabbat for community not Jewish organizations, and my society members volunteer if we have a table on a Saturday at the Southern California Genealogical Jamboree each year which meets Friday-Sunday.

 

It is the same thing if a society has Kosher or non-Kosher cookies at a function. The locale where the JGS meets will determine if they require Kosher or not.  While the Temple where JGSCV meets does not require the cookies to be Kosher, we bring Kosher cookies—our choice.

 

How each person responds to their own religious activities is personal, and is not, in my opinion, something that the various JGSs should get involved with.

 

There is no policy nor would there be.  That is up to each individual JGS as to how they function, just as Alan Greenberg form Montreal replied.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

President, Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County


Re: PETASKIN/ PETOSKI

sngreenberg@...
 

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 08:20 PM, Larry Rabyne wrote:
 

I hit a brickwall seeking info on my paternal grandmother, Eva PETOSKIN Rabinovitz. Eva was born in Vilna around 1893-96. She emigrated to the U.S. in 1914 and married Sam Rabinovitz on October 22, 1916 in Chicago, Il.  She lived in Chicago until her death in 1944. She had 9 children. She had two sisters, Molly Petosky GORDON and MARY (Meryl?) Potasey KANIUK.  The Gordons lived in Chicago and moved to Waukegan.  The Kaniuk’s lived in a near west suburb of Chicago.  Eva name on the marriage license is Pitoski or Petoski.  Various birth certificates give the maiden name of Petosky. Social security shows the name as Petaskin.  I am unable to locate any immigration records for EVA and searches of the Jewishgen database have been unsuccessful. 

Larry RABYNE
 
ALTER, FELDBLUM, KUPERBERG, RABINOVITZ, PETOSKIN, LINDENBAUM 

 Try searching on the last name only. Put in Pet? And see what comes up. Her first name may have been something other than Eva in Lithuania. My Aunt Eve was Rivka. 

  GOOD HUNTING SUSAN Greenberg 
Cleveland, OHIO


Re: Jewish Hungarian baron? #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Sara Just asks whether there are lists of Hungarian Jewish nobles. Wikipedia has published a list of Hungarian Jewish nobility at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Jewish_nobility#Hungarian Examples include Baron Hermann Groedel, Mor Lipot Herzog, and Theodore Wolfner. Raphael Patai writes about this in his critical work, The Jews of Hungary: HIstory, Culture, Psychology. According to Patai, during the period 1824-1918, 346 Jewish families, comprising about 20 percent of total ennoblements, were given a place name with which yo preface their family name as an indication of noble rank. Prominent (mainly Jewish) bankers and industrialists were awarded with nobility, but their social status remained inferior to traditional aristocrats. Noble titles were abolished only in 1947, months after Hungary was proclaimed a republic.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
JewishGen Hungarian Research Director


Re: Still seeking immigration information Kaminsky

Andrea Dechter
 

My GGM was Chana Kaminsky. She immigrated to the US in 1913. She was from Zhitomyr. 
--
Andrea Dechter
ar3j@...
Coral Springs, FL
Researching: FEUERMAN, FIREMAN, FROST, SANDLER, KAMINSKY, KAMINSKA


Re: SIG emails

Dick Plotz
 

Write to support@..., like always.

But the SIGs are functioning normally, and have not moved to the new
platform. Your SIG lists probably just haven't had any posts for a
while.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:08 PM Davida Handler
<davidahandlernv@...> wrote:

I am unable to figure out how to get my SIG Digests back. I also can't seem to log into the JewishGen home page. Is there any help line that those of us who are not only confused but frustrated by this whole change? I NEED HELP!!


Re: Jewish Genealogical Society Meetings 212877614

Evelyn Filippi
 

I called let mesageno onecalled me back…how do i speak to someone


Re: Convention syllabus

Robinn Magid
 

Dear Gayle et al., 

The IAJGS Conference on Jewish Genealogy "syllabus" has not existed for several years as a paper notebook. Instead, the conference websites have a program feature that includes the schedule, summary abstracts of all presentations, and handouts that are downloadable to all the applicable presentations. There are even speaker biographies (with color photographs)!  -- much better!

The program details and handouts are available through the conference websites as long as they are operational.

I tested a couple of old IAJGS conference sites, and I see that the program schedules are still active for www.iajgs2019.org, IAJGS2018.org, IAJGS2017.org, IAJGS2016.org


Once on the website, click on the "Program" icon on the menu bar. Then chose "Program and Schedule" and you will see a screen similar to the one below: 
image.png

Roll further down the screen and you will get the programming - in order. 
You can also use a search feature to look by author, presentation titel or search by subject... 

Here is a typical page from a past IAJGS conference. You can click on anything that appears in blue type. Note that the red pdf button would be clickable from your iPad and you can download the handouts pretty simply!

image.png

Sorry you've missed some conferences, but please come to the IAJGS 2020 San Diego Conference to be held August 9-14, 2020 in (you guessed it) San Diego, California!

Powerpoint usable slide announcing our conference is attached to this email!
Welcome to the 21st Century!🖖

All the best,
Robinn Magid
Chair, IAJGS 2020 San Diego Conference

--
Robinn Magid
Berkeley, California
Robinn.Magid@...


Re: Jewish Genealogical Society Meetings

Alan Greenberg
 

Who would set such a policy? The only thing uniting individual societies is the IAJGS and it does not set rules for its member societies. Each sets its own rules, presumably in accordance with its own members wishes.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada
--
Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.

On October 16, 2019 5:02:16 PM EDT, "rochel613 via Groups.Jewishgen.Org" <rochel613=yahoo.com@...> wrote:
Is there a policy, and if so, what is it, regarding the holding of Society meetings on Jewish holidays? I have noticed numerous times that meetings or activities are held either on Shabbat or lesser celebrated Jewish holidays such as the upcoming Shemini Atseret. This is disconcerting to those of us who are excluded from participating. 

Rose Elbaum 
Potomac, MD


Re: JewishGen Discussion Group Update

Robyn Dryen
 

I absolutely agree with Dick Plotz. The pretty colours and fancy fonts are simply click-bait - they have added NOTHING to the content quality. In fact, the Discussion List has degenerated into nothing more than Facebook chat.

We are seeing something that is all about "modern???" marketing techniques - if you get 100 clicks, one might sign-up and contribute. If there is a need for more paying members or for members to give more, this is not the way to achieve that end. 

For those of us who have been around long enough to recognise the stalwarts - those mavens who have both the expertise and care enough to share their knowledge - it is tragic to see their pleas dismissed. Who is going to provide the wise counsel if they unsubscribe?

Robyn Dryen
Sydney, Australia (I'm still old-fashioned enough to believe signing a post matters)


Re: JewishGen Discussion Group Update

pweinthal
 

Hi

This email browser is set to read plain-text messages - formatting, HTML code, accents, non-Roman alphabets, emojiis, etc., will not display. Numerous # marks are now popping up in many subject lines for no obvious reason.

I'm not following the new structure. Instead of a chronological list of messages received and identified by sender (which is critical information), there are 'topics' followed by URLs and then something called New Replies which don't seem to correspond to anything.

Relevancy is probably the reason people may not be joining the discussion group. Far too many posts from newbies who haven't done even the most basic research and think everything is available on-line, and a few people who post 'do-you-know' queries for every name in their tree.

Giving you time to works out the bugs,
-Pat




-----Original Message-----
From: Avraham Groll <agroll@...>
Sent: Oct 16, 2019 1:35 AM
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] JewishGen Discussion Group Update #Help #JewishGenNews

Dear JewishGen Community,

Thank you for everyone's feedback (both positive and constructive). We want the JewishGen Discussion Group to be a place of open dialogue and for everyone's voices to be heard, and I am extremely grateful to everyone who has taken the time to share their thoughts, perspectives, and suggestions. I would like to address a few points tonight:

(1) The Process

Our sole motivation has been to address some of the challenges that we previously articulated (lack of security, plain-text requirements, no accented characters, not mobile-friendly, etc). This new platform was in response to frequent complaints that our previous system was antiquated and nearly unusable for many people.

The stats bear this out. Last year, more than 40,000 people joined JewishGen as Members. Yet nearly none of them joined the Discussion Groups. This is not a typo - nearly none. We believe this was due to the very unfriendly interface of the old system, along with many of the rules/guidelines which were woefully outdated. As such, one of our goals of 2019 was to identify a replacement and to implement it.

We tested a number of systems and eventually settled on the current platform. Our beta testing took place throughout the summer and early Fall and was performed by a group of ~150 people. The beta-testing was opened to anyone who wished to participate since the end of July.

(2) Daily Digests/Including Previous Messages

Many have expressed displeasure with the fact that they have received multiple digests per day. Let me explain: the system is set up whereby each time 12 messages are submitted, a digest is automatically distributed. We are unable to change this.

A possible solution to this will be to select the “ Daily Summary ” option. This feature will produce a once-daily list of the messages posted that day, but would not (unlike a Digest) contain the full message content. It would include just the subject lines, each being a link to the complete topic/list of messages. In this way, you will receive only one email per day.

An additional advantage: when you click on the subject(s) that are of interest, you will be able to view all messages associated with that particular topic (including all messages/replies) - thus resolving the confusion about looking at posts with no previous messages included.

(3) Reply to Sender

We have enabled a feature whereby Members (who receive either individual emails, and/or full-featured digests) can reply directly to the message sender (and not respond to the entire group). That said, we encourage group discussions, as others might value the information.

(4) Login and Member Guide

Many have asked about the login process to the new groups. This is to confirm that access to the JewishGen.org Discussion Group requires a new registration ((i.e. your JewishGen ID# will NOT work on groups.JewishGen.org). Anyone who was previously subscribed to the JewishGen.org discussion group, has been automatically assigned a password. Please enter your email at the following link, and a password link will be sent to you: https://groups.jewishgen.org/sendloginlink ( https://groups.jewishgen.org/sendloginlink ).

For additional information about this, please read through our Member Guide:

https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main/wiki/The-New-JewishGen.org-Discussion-Group-Member-Guide ( https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main/wiki/The-New-JewishGen.org-Discussion-Group-Member-Guide ).

(5) Next Steps

We are going to continue researching how to make this platform as great as possible. To this end, either myself or Nancy Siegel (our Communications Coordinator ) will continue to post updates on this group and via email. In addition, we will be scheduling a series of webinars after the Holiday of Sukkot is completed. During these webinars, we will demo the entire platform, and allow participants to ask questions. These sessions will be recorded and made available for viewing on our YouTube channel as well.

In the meantime, in order to allow the groups to focus on Jewish Genealogy, we kindly ask that you keep posting on this group for Jewish Genealogy or current happenings that affect Jewish genealogy or genealogical research. If you have any suggestions/ideas, etc., we kindly ask that you not use this forum, but please send it to support@.... This should also cut down significantly the number of messages that the discussion group will receive.

I thank you all for your participation, support of our important work, and for being part of the JewishGen family.

Avraham



Re: Digests vs Daily Summary

Sheldon Dan <sheldan1955@...>
 

I think that the fact that the new digests are sent out after 12 posts was a problem at first.  Because the Discussion Group was being relaunched, many more posts were being sent every day.  My observation was that the old daily digest usually had between 1-20 posts per day.  Now consider, say, 72 posts the first day this format was implemented.  That would mean SIX e-mails that day.  Yes, that was annoying, and I think a lot of us were overwhelmed.

Fortunately, I was able to choose between the "full" Daily Digest, which included the messages (similar to the old daily digest), and the Daily Summary, which had links to the messages.  I also understand the distinction between the two.

However, while I appreciate that 12 seems to be a number that was agreed upon as the cutoff for sending a new digest, I am thinking that, especially when traffic is heavy, this number is probably too low.  I would suggest a cutoff of 20, which would accommodate most traffic (and if there are more than 20 posts per day, maybe multiple digests are a necessary evil).

I think the trend lately is that we all are subjected to a new format, the kinks are still being worked out, and we are kvetching about multiple digests vs. a daily summary, the need for a distinctive login for the groups, etc.  Please, I urge you all--be patient with the moderators and the technical staff.  Some people want all the messages in one daily digest, even if scrolling through 50 posts would be objectionable to others.  Others want a daily summary, even if others don't like the fact that we can't see the content of the message without clicking on a link.  Maybe you should repeat to yourself, "You can't please everyone," when you see a feature you don't like.  Seriously, if we kvetch about this, it only adds to the length of the daily digest or summary.  Let's just let the process work out and we may never have this problem after the first weeks.
--
Sheldon Dan
sheldan1955@...


Re: Comments about format change

Sheldon Dan <sheldan1955@...>
 

It is possible that sometime in the future the two logins could be combined and we might use the e-mail and one password.  Maybe the researcher number can then be retired as a login ID and used as it probably was intended.

Hang in there.  I know it sounds frustrating to many "old-timers" (I am 64, but I have adjusted to the need for the computer), but hopefully things will be less painful to those users who have had so much trouble with the new format of JewishGen.  I understand the problems of a new look--we will all eventually get used to it.
--
Sheldon Dan
sheldan1955@...


PETASKIN/ PETOSKI

Larry Rabyne
 

I hit a brickwall seeking info on my paternal grandmother, Eva PETOSKIN Rabinovitz. Eva was born in Vilna around 1893-96. She emigrated to the U.S. in 1914 and married Sam Rabinovitz on October 22, 1916 in Chicago, Il.  She lived in Chicago until her death in 1944. She had 9 children. She had two sisters, Molly Petosky GORDON and MARY (Meryl?) Potasey KANIUK.  The Gordons lived in Chicago and moved to Waukegan.  The Kaniuk’s lived in a near west suburb of Chicago.  Eva name on the marriage license is Pitoski or Petoski.  Various birth certificates give the maiden name of Petosky. Social security shows the name as Petaskin.  I am unable to locate any immigration records for EVA and searches of the Jewishgen database have been unsuccessful. 

Larry RABYNE

ALTER, FELDBLUM, KUPERBERG, RABINOVITZ, PETOSKIN, LINDENBAUM 


Re: Given names database search failing with an error

Jean Warwick
 

Yes - this happened to me too!


Re: SIG emails

Davida Handler
 

I am unable to figure out how to get my SIG Digests back.  I also can't seem to log into the JewishGen home page.  Is there any help line that those of us who are not only confused but frustrated by this whole change?  I NEED HELP!!


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 9:00 AM sharon yampell <GenealogicalGenie@...> wrote:

As my inbox fills up with email regarding the new format for the general JewishGen SIG, I can say in my case, I am still getting mail from the Czernovitz SIG…

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: Siddy Rosenberg <49tikkunolam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:55:08 AM
To: sharon yampell <GenealogicalGenie@...>
Cc: main@... <main@...>; davidahandlernv@... <davidahandlernv@...>
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] SIG emails
 
I used to receive an email daily from several SIGs. Now I'm not receiving any. I sincerely doubt there's been no activity in the several SIGs I belong to.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 11:49 AM sharon yampell <GenealogicalGenie@...> wrote:

If no one wrote to the other SIG’s then you didn’t miss anything…we are in a holiday season so maybe some people are not up for keeping in touch until after Simchat Torah is over…

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of Sovtah <49tikkunolam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:15:50 AM
To: davidahandlernv@... <davidahandlernv@...>; main@... <main@...>
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] SIG emails
 

I am not receiving SIG emails either. How do I see what I've missed?


Solution to private replies when getting digest

Marjorie Geiser
 

Hi all,

I figured out the answer to my question on this topic. As some of you have noticed, when you received digests, not all posts have a link to their email, so you can privately respond to them.

However, I just 'tested' this, and it works. Now, if you're using your PHONE, I'm not sure this will work, but on my computer it does.

At the bottom of each individual post (in the digest), you have various options, such as 'View/Reply Online | Reply to Group... ' etc. If the person is sending the message from their email program, such as what I'm doing right now, I suspect you would be able to click my email and email me directly. But if the person is NOT, then here is what I've found works.

Click that option at the bottom of the particular message, that says, "View/Reply Online." You'll likely see the various replies to that particular thread. But below each message, you'll see where it says "Reply." When you click that button, you'll be able to type in a reply. HOWEVER, at the bottom of the reply box, you'll see a little box that says "Private." Once you click that box, the little green box at the bottom of the reply box that BEFORE said "Reply to Group and Sender" will change to a blue box and say "Reply to Sender."

Margie Geiser
Arizona USA


Jewish Genealogical Society Meetings

Rose Blitzstein Elbaum
 

Is there a policy, and if so, what is it, regarding the holding of Society meetings on Jewish holidays? I have noticed numerous times that meetings or activities are held either on Shabbat or lesser celebrated Jewish holidays such as the upcoming Shemini Atseret. This is disconcerting to those of us who are excluded from participating. 

Rose Elbaum 
Potomac, MD