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Re: Jewish Hungarian baron? #hungary

Bob Friedman
 

Another book focuses entirely on this subject:
https://www.worldcat.org/title/jewish-nobles-and-geniuses-in-modern-hungary/oclc/14564125
--
Bob Friedman
Brooklyn, NY
Re: SIG emails

Robert Hill
 

A simple thing to do that would be reassuring in this confusing transition would be to have each SIG leader send a "Test" message to their group.  That would be a quick test of the theory that, amazingly, nobody has posted anything to be sent out in several days.  (Jeff Miller above says he sent a message to the Ukraine SIG, but I am a member of that SIG and I didn't receive it.) 

Mods, is a test do-able?  (And Mods, thank you for all your efforts to modernize us)

Moderator Note: an excellent idea to assure everyone that if they are signed up for a SIG, there was no change because of the upgrade to the JewishGen Discussion Group. If you are a SIG leader, would you please send out a "test message."
Bessarabia Cemetery projects update #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello Bessarabians,

I want to update you of where we are standing with Cemetery project in our
Bessarabia/Moldova region.

- Kishinev Jewish cemetery - we have completed Sector 5 and sent 2,681
burial records with 2,441 photos to JOWBR. We have now total of 5,539
burial records with 4,977 images >from 3 sectors 2, 4 and 5). This is
probably 25-30% of all graves indexed and photographed.
-- our photographers are working now on Sector 1, 3 and 6. Although
the work is so hard. You can see your self at a clip done by Serghey
Daniliuk, who is our main photographer in Bessarabia/Moldova:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QeW3wi6gHc This is a clip mostly for the
sectors 6 and 8. If you stop at 1:21 you see an old chapel partly
destroyed.
from the map at the Burial Registry book, it is written for example that
Sector 6 has total of 3,137 graves, and >from that number 1,431 are not
identified! Look at the video and you see what is the state of that
cemetery.

- Vadu-lui-vlad (Dombrovitsa) - cemetery is almost destroyed and we were
able to read only several inscriptions. We may go to that cemetery one more
time, because part of it was not accessible. The records and images are
going to be sent to JOWBR by the end of this month.

- Lipkany Jewish cemetery (Phase 2) - this was a Clearing paths project,
and a lot of cleaning was done. Another 1000+ images are in process at the
"second" reading and confidently be sent to JOWBR in 1-2 months.

- Beltsy Jewish cemetery - another phase was done, and we received 500+
images. We will process them hopefull by the end of this year.

- Brazil, San Paulo, Cemitério_Israelita_da_Vila_Mariana. We have 500+
records (no photos) >from a cemetery registry for people >from mostly
Bessarabia and some also >from Kamenets Podolsky, Mogolev-Podolsky,
Chernovitz, Yampol. Unfortunately there are no Dates of death in that book,
and I am trying to find out if there are records, possible images of these
graves. If we have someone >from San Paulo, Brazil who can help us - that would be
very much appreciated. Please contact me directly.

- Ataki, Phase 2 will be done in spring of 2020. There are several more
cemeteries we need to work with, but I am not sure if we will have time for
that.

Please let me know if you have any questions, ideas, proposals, or you may
know a cemetery which is not in our Inventory list
https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/cemetery/Inventory201909-Septembe
r.htm
please let us know.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator
Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Bessarabia Cemetery projects update #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello Bessarabians,

I want to update you of where we are standing with Cemetery project in our
Bessarabia/Moldova region.

- Kishinev Jewish cemetery - we have completed Sector 5 and sent 2,681
burial records with 2,441 photos to JOWBR. We have now total of 5,539
burial records with 4,977 images >from 3 sectors 2, 4 and 5). This is
probably 25-30% of all graves indexed and photographed.
-- our photographers are working now on Sector 1, 3 and 6. Although
the work is so hard. You can see your self at a clip done by Serghey
Daniliuk, who is our main photographer in Bessarabia/Moldova:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QeW3wi6gHc This is a clip mostly for the
sectors 6 and 8. If you stop at 1:21 you see an old chapel partly
destroyed.
from the map at the Burial Registry book, it is written for example that
Sector 6 has total of 3,137 graves, and >from that number 1,431 are not
identified! Look at the video and you see what is the state of that
cemetery.

- Vadu-lui-vlad (Dombrovitsa) - cemetery is almost destroyed and we were
able to read only several inscriptions. We may go to that cemetery one more
time, because part of it was not accessible. The records and images are
going to be sent to JOWBR by the end of this month.

- Lipkany Jewish cemetery (Phase 2) - this was a Clearing paths project,
and a lot of cleaning was done. Another 1000+ images are in process at the
"second" reading and confidently be sent to JOWBR in 1-2 months.

- Beltsy Jewish cemetery - another phase was done, and we received 500+
images. We will process them hopefull by the end of this year.

- Brazil, San Paulo, Cemitério_Israelita_da_Vila_Mariana. We have 500+
records (no photos) >from a cemetery registry for people >from mostly
Bessarabia and some also >from Kamenets Podolsky, Mogolev-Podolsky,
Chernovitz, Yampol. Unfortunately there are no Dates of death in that book,
and I am trying to find out if there are records, possible images of these
graves. If we have someone >from San Paulo, Brazil who can help us - that would be
very much appreciated. Please contact me directly.

- Ataki, Phase 2 will be done in spring of 2020. There are several more
cemeteries we need to work with, but I am not sure if we will have time for
that.

Please let me know if you have any questions, ideas, proposals, or you may
know a cemetery which is not in our Inventory list
https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/cemetery/Inventory201909-Septembe
r.htm
please let us know.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator
Travel to Belarus #belarus

Alan H. Rosen
 

I would like to put together a cousin's trip to Belarus. I am sure that
I will need a guide who is specialized in genealogy tours. I would
appreciate any input >from members of this group.
Please email me privately at rachelkin@...

Thank you,

Alan Rosen
Belarus SIG #Belarus Travel to Belarus #belarus

Alan H. Rosen
 

I would like to put together a cousin's trip to Belarus. I am sure that
I will need a guide who is specialized in genealogy tours. I would
appreciate any input >from members of this group.
Please email me privately at rachelkin@...

Thank you,

Alan Rosen
Re: PETASKIN/ PETOSKI

Diane Jacobs
 

Also note I have an Eva who was Chava.
When searching passenger manifests also try Pat, Pot, pit and put.

Diane Jacobs 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

--
Diane Jacobs
Re: Digests vs Daily Summary

Jeff at SG
 

I essentially agree with everything you've said and hesitated replying and adding to the unnecessary traffic except to add that according to a message I received from Plotz, the 12 message limit is apparently hardwired in the software for the 'daily digest'. I find that hard to believe but if true, that is a major defect of the new platform. However it is one likely to become less important as the traffic volume returns to normal. So things will get better.

Jeff Malka (OP)
Re: JewishGen Discussion Group Update

Ralph Baer
 

I assume that all of this discussion will soon die down, although it may pick up again when the SIGs are converted. From day 1 of the GerSIG list, which I think was about 25 years ago, I wondered why one could not type umlauted characters in the group. My name was originally Bär (although the earliest signature which I have seen from about a year after the name was adopted in 1809 reads Behr), and there are many times that it one really should post the spelling as it was used. I learned to live with it, but I was never happy with it. So I was happy when I heard things were going to change.

Some of the other changes I like. Some I don't. The ability to change fonts, insert pictures, etc., seems ridiculous to me, but I could grow to like it. I like the fact that one can get BCCs of one's posted messages and can receive copies of replies to one's posts. I also like the fact that one can add a signature. At least I like it until someone has one that is 50 lines long.

I find it hard to understand that the limit of the number of messages in a digest was hardwired and 12 was selected. It seems to me to be the type of thing which should be chosen at the discretion of the group moderator.

I also feel that a metagroup should have been setup for discussing the changes as opposed to those posts being here,
Oct. 29: genetic genealogy program at the Center for Jewish History in New York #dna

Moriah Amit
 

Please join us for the following upcoming program of interest to
those undertaking DNA testing for genealogical purposes.

Family History Today: DNA and the Golden Rule - The Law and Ethics of
Genetic Genealogy
Presented by the Ackman & Ziff Family Genealogy Institute
The Legal Genealogist, Judy G. Russell, offers her expert advice on
how to navigate the ethical challenges associated with DNA testing
for genealogy.

Date: October 29, 6:30 PM
Location: Center for Jewish History, 15 West 16th Street, New York,
NY 10011
Tickets: $10 general admission; $5 Center for Jewish History/Partner
members, seniors, and students; You may purchase tickets in advance
at geneticgenealogy.bpt.me or 800-838-3006.

Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Reference Librarian
Center for Jewish History (New York, NY)
DNA Research #DNA Oct. 29: genetic genealogy program at the Center for Jewish History in New York #dna

Moriah Amit
 

Please join us for the following upcoming program of interest to
those undertaking DNA testing for genealogical purposes.

Family History Today: DNA and the Golden Rule - The Law and Ethics of
Genetic Genealogy
Presented by the Ackman & Ziff Family Genealogy Institute
The Legal Genealogist, Judy G. Russell, offers her expert advice on
how to navigate the ethical challenges associated with DNA testing
for genealogy.

Date: October 29, 6:30 PM
Location: Center for Jewish History, 15 West 16th Street, New York,
NY 10011
Tickets: $10 general admission; $5 Center for Jewish History/Partner
members, seniors, and students; You may purchase tickets in advance
at geneticgenealogy.bpt.me or 800-838-3006.

Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Reference Librarian
Center for Jewish History (New York, NY)
Yes, this list is still functioning! #galicia

Renee Steinig
 

Those of you who subscribe to the main JewishGen Discussion Group know
that it transitioned a week ago to a new format, and there's been quite a bit
of discussion among its subscribers about the change.

A number of people have asked how the SIG lists have been affected and
some have expressed concern that they haven't heard >from us. For now,
JewishGen's special interest mailing lists, including our own, are
unchanged. Any messages that we receive are being delivered as usual,
via Lyris, in Plain Text format.

Gesher Galicia's last digest was distributed at about 2:00 a.m. U.S.
Eastern time on Friday, Oct. 11. Things have been quiet since then simply
because no one has written. We hope to hear >from you! As always, we
welcome postings related to research on Galitzianer families. Please send
any comments about the new format of the JewishGen Discussion Group
to support@... .

Wishing you all a happy, healthy, and productive new year,

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Moderator, Gesher Galicia
genmaven@...
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Yes, this list is still functioning! #galicia

Renee Steinig
 

Those of you who subscribe to the main JewishGen Discussion Group know
that it transitioned a week ago to a new format, and there's been quite a bit
of discussion among its subscribers about the change.

A number of people have asked how the SIG lists have been affected and
some have expressed concern that they haven't heard >from us. For now,
JewishGen's special interest mailing lists, including our own, are
unchanged. Any messages that we receive are being delivered as usual,
via Lyris, in Plain Text format.

Gesher Galicia's last digest was distributed at about 2:00 a.m. U.S.
Eastern time on Friday, Oct. 11. Things have been quiet since then simply
because no one has written. We hope to hear >from you! As always, we
welcome postings related to research on Galitzianer families. Please send
any comments about the new format of the JewishGen Discussion Group
to support@... .

Wishing you all a happy, healthy, and productive new year,

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Moderator, Gesher Galicia
genmaven@...
(Ireland) Irish Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates Online for Free; Irish Census Records # records access

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

The Irish Department of Culture, Heritage ad Gaeltacht and Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection have placed online Irish genealogy records that cover births from 1864 to 1918, deaths from 1878 and 1968, and marriages from 1864 to 1943.   The new additions include deaths in 1967 and 1968, births 1917 and 1918 and marriages from 1864 to 1869 and 1942 to 1943.

 

The General Register Office is currently working on further updating the records. Plans are in place to extend the digitalization of death certificates by 14 years to 1864, while there are also plans to update almost 20 years of marriage records.


To access the records go to the website Irish Genealogy.ie at: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/


To read more see: https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/genealogy/irish-geneaology-resource-free

 

Central Statistics Office

 

In 2014 the Central Statistics Office (CSO) published all the data it collected from every census since 1926, and it is available for free online. In a recent move the censuses from are now available at: https://www.cso.ie/en/census/

To read about the census through history see:  https://www.cso.ie/en/census/censusthroughhistory/

 

Jews in Ireland

While always a small Jewish community in Ireland it is an established community. In addition, a number of Jews immigrated to Ireland in the late 19th and 20th centuries whose families were from central Europe, due to the pogroms, and especially from Lithuania. Jews also stopped in Ireland along the way to immigrating to North America—and may have lived there for a few years.  You never know what an Irish vital records may reveal!

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 

 
Jewish Genealogical Society Meetings

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Rose Elbaum asked if there was a policy regarding holding Jewish Genealogical Society meetings on Jewish Holidays.  First, Jewish Genealogical Societies belong to the International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS), not JewishGen so the question about society policy does not belong on this forum.  I can tell you that IAJGS does not have any such policy, having been involved with IAJGS since 2004 I think I can say that as IAJGS does not dictate to its members.

 

Let me try to explain that JGSs in the United States are 501 (c) (3) organizations, by and large, for our non-profit status.  We are educational and cultural, not religious organizations, even if our focus is on Jewish genealogy. I don’t know of any JGS that meets on the major Jewish holidays, such as Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, the first two days of Passover, etc.  Lesser celebrated  holidays are another issue. If the JGS meets in a synagogue, as does the one where I am president, and the one where Rose meets, (two different societies 3,000 miles apart) if the synagogue is open and permits the meeting that is all that is necessary. My society meets in a Reform Synagogue, Rose’s society alternates between Reform and Conservative synagogues and a JCC, if their location agrees to the JGS meeting, then it is perfectly permissible to meet.

 

Specifically, Rose mentioned her society meeting on Shemini Atseret, and in speaking to the president of JGSGW, yes they met that day, last Sunday, but before the holiday began and the meeting ended way before sundown. Nothing wrong with that.

 

I also do not know of any JGS that holds meetings on Shabbat.  Now, that said, that does not mean we may not be involved in a community function that might meet on Shabbat, but we may lend our society names but not do anything on Shabbat for that function.  It also does not mean that individual members of the society, including the board members, may be involved with something on Shabbat. Again, we are not religious organizations, but educational and cultural ones,  we would certainly not have any prohibition for members to be involved in something.  I have accepted speaking engagements on Shabbat for community not Jewish organizations, and my society members volunteer if we have a table on a Saturday at the Southern California Genealogical Jamboree each year which meets Friday-Sunday.

 

It is the same thing if a society has Kosher or non-Kosher cookies at a function. The locale where the JGS meets will determine if they require Kosher or not.  While the Temple where JGSCV meets does not require the cookies to be Kosher, we bring Kosher cookies—our choice.

 

How each person responds to their own religious activities is personal, and is not, in my opinion, something that the various JGSs should get involved with.

 

There is no policy nor would there be.  That is up to each individual JGS as to how they function, just as Alan Greenberg form Montreal replied.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

President, Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County
Re: PETASKIN/ PETOSKI

sngreenberg@...
 

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 08:20 PM, Larry Rabyne wrote:
 

I hit a brickwall seeking info on my paternal grandmother, Eva PETOSKIN Rabinovitz. Eva was born in Vilna around 1893-96. She emigrated to the U.S. in 1914 and married Sam Rabinovitz on October 22, 1916 in Chicago, Il.  She lived in Chicago until her death in 1944. She had 9 children. She had two sisters, Molly Petosky GORDON and MARY (Meryl?) Potasey KANIUK.  The Gordons lived in Chicago and moved to Waukegan.  The Kaniuk’s lived in a near west suburb of Chicago.  Eva name on the marriage license is Pitoski or Petoski.  Various birth certificates give the maiden name of Petosky. Social security shows the name as Petaskin.  I am unable to locate any immigration records for EVA and searches of the Jewishgen database have been unsuccessful. 

Larry RABYNE
 
ALTER, FELDBLUM, KUPERBERG, RABINOVITZ, PETOSKIN, LINDENBAUM 

 Try searching on the last name only. Put in Pet? And see what comes up. Her first name may have been something other than Eva in Lithuania. My Aunt Eve was Rivka. 

  GOOD HUNTING SUSAN Greenberg 
Cleveland, OHIO
Re: Jewish Hungarian baron? #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Sara Just asks whether there are lists of Hungarian Jewish nobles. Wikipedia has published a list of Hungarian Jewish nobility at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Jewish_nobility#Hungarian Examples include Baron Hermann Groedel, Mor Lipot Herzog, and Theodore Wolfner. Raphael Patai writes about this in his critical work, The Jews of Hungary: HIstory, Culture, Psychology. According to Patai, during the period 1824-1918, 346 Jewish families, comprising about 20 percent of total ennoblements, were given a place name with which yo preface their family name as an indication of noble rank. Prominent (mainly Jewish) bankers and industrialists were awarded with nobility, but their social status remained inferior to traditional aristocrats. Noble titles were abolished only in 1947, months after Hungary was proclaimed a republic.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
JewishGen Hungarian Research Director
Re: Still seeking immigration information Kaminsky

Andrea Dechter
 

My GGM was Chana Kaminsky. She immigrated to the US in 1913. She was from Zhitomyr. 
--
Andrea Dechter
ar3j@...
Coral Springs, FL
Researching: FEUERMAN, FIREMAN, FROST, SANDLER, KAMINSKY, KAMINSKA
Re: SIG emails

Dick Plotz <Dick@...>
 

Write to support@..., like always.

But the SIGs are functioning normally, and have not moved to the new
platform. Your SIG lists probably just haven't had any posts for a
while.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:08 PM Davida Handler
<davidahandlernv@...> wrote:

I am unable to figure out how to get my SIG Digests back. I also can't seem to log into the JewishGen home page. Is there any help line that those of us who are not only confused but frustrated by this whole change? I NEED HELP!!
Re: Jewish Genealogical Society Meetings 212877614

Evelyn Filippi
 

I called let mesageno onecalled me back…how do i speak to someone
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