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Linkuva, Lithuania Hebrew school photo for id. #southafrica

Saul Issroff
 

I have put two photos on Viewmate for identification. They are school
photos, one circa 1904, the other probably a few years later. From
Harold Behr's collection. Surnames already known in these are a Behr,
Hurwitz and a Issroff.
Some Linkuva families went to South Africa.

Any information appreciated.

See

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=75682
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=75683

Saul Issroff
London UK


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Linkuva, Lithuania Hebrew school photo for id. #southafrica

Saul Issroff
 

I have put two photos on Viewmate for identification. They are school
photos, one circa 1904, the other probably a few years later. From
Harold Behr's collection. Surnames already known in these are a Behr,
Hurwitz and a Issroff.
Some Linkuva families went to South Africa.

Any information appreciated.

See

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=75682
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=75683

Saul Issroff
London UK


HEYDENREICH Saga #southafrica

Jules Feldman
 

I discovered today that my granddaughter is a descendant of the HEYDENREICH
family and I received a copy of the "Heydenreich Saga".
Has anyone in this forum put together a family tree of the HEYDENREICH
family?
My granddaughter's connection to the HEYDENREICH family is via the BORKUM
and SADOWSKY families.
Thanks,
Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica HEYDENREICH Saga #southafrica

Jules Feldman
 

I discovered today that my granddaughter is a descendant of the HEYDENREICH
family and I received a copy of the "Heydenreich Saga".
Has anyone in this forum put together a family tree of the HEYDENREICH
family?
My granddaughter's connection to the HEYDENREICH family is via the BORKUM
and SADOWSKY families.
Thanks,
Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel


Looking for Gittelson families in South Africa from Zagare, Lithuania #southafrica

Roy Ogus
 

I'm trying to make contact with any members of a GITTELSON family in South
Africa whose ancestral town was Zagare, Lithuania. The surname is fairly
common in South Africa, so the key factor for me would be a connection to
the town of Zagare.

Please let me know if you have any information about such a family. Thanks!

Roy Ogus
California, USA
r_ogus at hotmail.com


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Looking for Gittelson families in South Africa from Zagare, Lithuania #southafrica

Roy Ogus
 

I'm trying to make contact with any members of a GITTELSON family in South
Africa whose ancestral town was Zagare, Lithuania. The surname is fairly
common in South Africa, so the key factor for me would be a connection to
the town of Zagare.

Please let me know if you have any information about such a family. Thanks!

Roy Ogus
California, USA
r_ogus at hotmail.com


new sets of Jewish records almost 200 years old #ukraine

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello researchers,

When I find something impressing I always want to share with you. I was
getting new microfilms, thanks to our volunteers and one specifically caught
my attention. Remember a number of years ago we translated Revision lists
1824 >from District of Khotin. That was a really terrific finding with almost
full set of records >from towns and villages of that district.
Now we have another set of records >from 1824, but now >from south of
Bessarabia, >from district of Ismail. It is not huge number of records, and
all these records are in the same sections of microfilms with non Jewish
records.

Jews in most cases did not have Surnames in 1824! Also it was only 12 years
since Russian Empire (1812) got part of Moldova Principality, which became
Bessarabia Gubernia, and the Revisions were written in Russian, but the
district - in Russian - Uezd was still named as Tsinut (>from Turkish).

According to this Revisions, Jews lived in towns of Ismail and Reni (now
part of Odessa oblast, Ukraine).

In the same microfilm there are records >from same district of 1835, and at
this time Jews also lived in town of Tuchkov, but I found that according to
our Bessarabia Geographical dictionary it was a name of town Ismail at some
point.

I hope that somebody might be interested in translating these records for
us.

Please let me know if you have any questions, ideas.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine new sets of Jewish records almost 200 years old #ukraine

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello researchers,

When I find something impressing I always want to share with you. I was
getting new microfilms, thanks to our volunteers and one specifically caught
my attention. Remember a number of years ago we translated Revision lists
1824 >from District of Khotin. That was a really terrific finding with almost
full set of records >from towns and villages of that district.
Now we have another set of records >from 1824, but now >from south of
Bessarabia, >from district of Ismail. It is not huge number of records, and
all these records are in the same sections of microfilms with non Jewish
records.

Jews in most cases did not have Surnames in 1824! Also it was only 12 years
since Russian Empire (1812) got part of Moldova Principality, which became
Bessarabia Gubernia, and the Revisions were written in Russian, but the
district - in Russian - Uezd was still named as Tsinut (>from Turkish).

According to this Revisions, Jews lived in towns of Ismail and Reni (now
part of Odessa oblast, Ukraine).

In the same microfilm there are records >from same district of 1835, and at
this time Jews also lived in town of Tuchkov, but I found that according to
our Bessarabia Geographical dictionary it was a name of town Ismail at some
point.

I hope that somebody might be interested in translating these records for
us.

Please let me know if you have any questions, ideas.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator


November's JGSGB events reminder #unitedkingdom

Raymond Montanjees
 

Fri 1st 10.30-3pm A Library Session. Full assistance >from JGS librarians.
14 Charterhouse Bldgs. Goswell Rd. EC1M 7BA
RSVPs to library@...
Members free - Guests £5 - deductible >from new Membership if taken on the day.
Refreshments.

Sun 3rd 2-5pm The South East Essex Regional Group will hold a WORKSHOP at the
Balmoral Centre, Salisbury Avenue, Westcliff-on-sea, Essex, SS0 7AU
RSVPs to Anne Marcus at avoceta@...

Tue 19th 7.30-9.30 The Chilterns Regional Group will welcome speaker Debra
Brunner - of the Together Plan - who will present a talk under the title :
"Belarus, the Pale of Settlement, potatoes, herring and sour cream with a
little dash of Jewish heritage".
Location : The Osorio Hall in the Northwood and Pinner Liberal Synagogue.
RSVPs to leighdworkin@... or hazel@...,

Thu 21st 7.30-9.00 A Webinar Education Evening. "UK Genealogy".
For more details, please contact Jeanette Rosenberg at :
@JeanetteRRosenbergOBE

Sun 24th 2.30-5pm The Herts Regional Group will hear a talk >from seasoned
member, Joel Levy. Title : "Coming a Full Circle". For the location and
further information, please contact Norman King at nandpking@...
or phone 01707 377732.

Sun 24th 2-5pm The monthly Sunday Library Session. Full assistance from
JGS' librarians. Use of computers
14 Charterhouse Bldgs.Goswell Rd. EC1M 7BA
RSVPs to library@...
Members free - Guests £5 - deductible >from your new Membership if taken on
the day. Refreshments.

Sun 24th 2.30-5.30 An Anglo SIG. Richard Myers will present a talk
entitled "The family firm, founded in Georgian England - S & M Myers".
Members free - Guests £5 - deductible >from new Membership on the day.
Refreshments.
14 Charterhouse Bldgs. Goswell Rd. EC1M 7BA RSVP library@...

Raymond Montanjees


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom November's JGSGB events reminder #unitedkingdom

Raymond Montanjees
 

Fri 1st 10.30-3pm A Library Session. Full assistance >from JGS librarians.
14 Charterhouse Bldgs. Goswell Rd. EC1M 7BA
RSVPs to library@...
Members free - Guests £5 - deductible >from new Membership if taken on the day.
Refreshments.

Sun 3rd 2-5pm The South East Essex Regional Group will hold a WORKSHOP at the
Balmoral Centre, Salisbury Avenue, Westcliff-on-sea, Essex, SS0 7AU
RSVPs to Anne Marcus at avoceta@...

Tue 19th 7.30-9.30 The Chilterns Regional Group will welcome speaker Debra
Brunner - of the Together Plan - who will present a talk under the title :
"Belarus, the Pale of Settlement, potatoes, herring and sour cream with a
little dash of Jewish heritage".
Location : The Osorio Hall in the Northwood and Pinner Liberal Synagogue.
RSVPs to leighdworkin@... or hazel@...,

Thu 21st 7.30-9.00 A Webinar Education Evening. "UK Genealogy".
For more details, please contact Jeanette Rosenberg at :
@JeanetteRRosenbergOBE

Sun 24th 2.30-5pm The Herts Regional Group will hear a talk >from seasoned
member, Joel Levy. Title : "Coming a Full Circle". For the location and
further information, please contact Norman King at nandpking@...
or phone 01707 377732.

Sun 24th 2-5pm The monthly Sunday Library Session. Full assistance from
JGS' librarians. Use of computers
14 Charterhouse Bldgs.Goswell Rd. EC1M 7BA
RSVPs to library@...
Members free - Guests £5 - deductible >from your new Membership if taken on
the day. Refreshments.

Sun 24th 2.30-5.30 An Anglo SIG. Richard Myers will present a talk
entitled "The family firm, founded in Georgian England - S & M Myers".
Members free - Guests £5 - deductible >from new Membership on the day.
Refreshments.
14 Charterhouse Bldgs. Goswell Rd. EC1M 7BA RSVP library@...

Raymond Montanjees


Re: Was "Theis" ISRAEL, born 1610, Jewish? #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Jeffrey:

It's very unlikely that Theis ISRAEL was Jewish. For one thing, most
Jews in northern Europe didn't have a surname at all until around 1800.
They used patronymics, i.e., Theis' father would have had the given name
Israel, and his son would be Jakov [ben = son of] Theis. Among those who
did, Lars Menk's _A Dictionary of German-Jewish Surnames_ does not
record ISRAEL as having appeared anywhere before 1700.

Mattityahu (Matthew) is a perfectly good Jewish given name, but there
are probably a thousand Gentiles for every Jew with that name.
Apollonia?? and Johann are as unlikely as it gets: Christian saints were
not appropriate people for a Jew to name his children after, unless the
name came directly >from the Old Testament. So, Yochanan, yes; Johann, no.

And, yes, there are Gentiles named ISRAEL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Point_Loma_Lighthouse#Robert_Israel
for an example.

Could Theis have been a convert? I suppose, but since he'd have to have
taken a surname at conversion, why would he choose one that advertised
the past he was trying to escape?

A scan of the German on-line White Pages shows almost 600 private
(non-commercial) entries for ISRAEL. Even with 100,000 Jews in Germany,
600 is far too many for all or even most to be Jewish.

Roger Lustig?? Princeton, NJ USA?? research coordinator, GerSIG

On 10/31/2019 Jeffrey Herrmann <jeffrey.herrmann@...> Wrote:

My 8th great grandfather, Mathiess " Theis " ISRAEL, (possibly also known
as Matthias ISRAEL) was born in 1610 in Bassenheim, Mayen-Koblenz,
Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany and died on 7 December 1698 in Altenkirchen,
Kusel, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany. His daughter, Appollonia
ISRAEL, was also born in Bassenheim, in 1650. Appollonia married a
Johann Wissbach >from Kirdorf, a small Roman Catholic village near Bad
Homburg, and lived there for the rest of her life. He probably was a
Roman Catholic.
I have found no evidence of the religion of this 8th great grandfather
or of his daughter. What is the likelihood, given his surname, that
Mathiess "Theis" ISRAEL was Jewish? Does anyone know of records which
might shed light on this question? Any thoughts or opinions would be
greatly appreciated.


German SIG #Germany Re: Was "Theis" ISRAEL, born 1610, Jewish? #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Jeffrey:

It's very unlikely that Theis ISRAEL was Jewish. For one thing, most
Jews in northern Europe didn't have a surname at all until around 1800.
They used patronymics, i.e., Theis' father would have had the given name
Israel, and his son would be Jakov [ben = son of] Theis. Among those who
did, Lars Menk's _A Dictionary of German-Jewish Surnames_ does not
record ISRAEL as having appeared anywhere before 1700.

Mattityahu (Matthew) is a perfectly good Jewish given name, but there
are probably a thousand Gentiles for every Jew with that name.
Apollonia?? and Johann are as unlikely as it gets: Christian saints were
not appropriate people for a Jew to name his children after, unless the
name came directly >from the Old Testament. So, Yochanan, yes; Johann, no.

And, yes, there are Gentiles named ISRAEL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Point_Loma_Lighthouse#Robert_Israel
for an example.

Could Theis have been a convert? I suppose, but since he'd have to have
taken a surname at conversion, why would he choose one that advertised
the past he was trying to escape?

A scan of the German on-line White Pages shows almost 600 private
(non-commercial) entries for ISRAEL. Even with 100,000 Jews in Germany,
600 is far too many for all or even most to be Jewish.

Roger Lustig?? Princeton, NJ USA?? research coordinator, GerSIG

On 10/31/2019 Jeffrey Herrmann <jeffrey.herrmann@...> Wrote:

My 8th great grandfather, Mathiess " Theis " ISRAEL, (possibly also known
as Matthias ISRAEL) was born in 1610 in Bassenheim, Mayen-Koblenz,
Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany and died on 7 December 1698 in Altenkirchen,
Kusel, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany. His daughter, Appollonia
ISRAEL, was also born in Bassenheim, in 1650. Appollonia married a
Johann Wissbach >from Kirdorf, a small Roman Catholic village near Bad
Homburg, and lived there for the rest of her life. He probably was a
Roman Catholic.
I have found no evidence of the religion of this 8th great grandfather
or of his daughter. What is the likelihood, given his surname, that
Mathiess "Theis" ISRAEL was Jewish? Does anyone know of records which
might shed light on this question? Any thoughts or opinions would be
greatly appreciated.


Re: Was "Theis" ISRAEL, born 1610, Jewish? #germany

Gerhard Buck <gbuckidstein22@...>
 

The fastest way to solve this question is to look into the Church
Books of his birthplace Bassenheim, which were filmed by FamilySearch.
If you live outside Europe, you can read them online. For me in Europe
they are top secret. Do not ask me why. In some German regions they
are free, in others not.

Since father and daughter have the same second name (Israel), this
must be a family name. At that time, all the Jews in the small
localities had names according to the patronymic system. That lets me
think that the persons in question were Gentiles and you find them in
the Church Books. In a modern telephone directory you can find the
family name Israel in many places.

Quite often I ask myself, if I can trust the person who copied the
registers. Was he an expert of the German script in the 1600s? This is
totally different >from the one used in the 1800s.

Gerhard Buck, Idstein, Germany buckidstein@...


German SIG #Germany Re: Was "Theis" ISRAEL, born 1610, Jewish? #germany

Gerhard Buck <gbuckidstein22@...>
 

The fastest way to solve this question is to look into the Church
Books of his birthplace Bassenheim, which were filmed by FamilySearch.
If you live outside Europe, you can read them online. For me in Europe
they are top secret. Do not ask me why. In some German regions they
are free, in others not.

Since father and daughter have the same second name (Israel), this
must be a family name. At that time, all the Jews in the small
localities had names according to the patronymic system. That lets me
think that the persons in question were Gentiles and you find them in
the Church Books. In a modern telephone directory you can find the
family name Israel in many places.

Quite often I ask myself, if I can trust the person who copied the
registers. Was he an expert of the German script in the 1600s? This is
totally different >from the one used in the 1800s.

Gerhard Buck, Idstein, Germany buckidstein@...


Re: Looking for sample introductry presentation or tips

Moishe Miller
 

Allan,

You ask about a sample beginners presentation. Why not attend the one being given this Sunday, nearby to you (relatively), by the JGSLI, in PlainviewIt is called: Jewish Genealogy 101: Four Hours+ to Your Family Roots

See the attached flyer.

The location is
Mid-Island Y-JCC
45 Manetto Hill Road
Plainview, NY 

I am a member of several JGS's and had attended the workshop several years ago, for the same reason as you. I found it quite comprehensive. If you need a ride there contact me offline. 

Enjoy,

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY


Re: Linkuva (Lithuania) school photos for id

Saul Issroff
 

I posted  this correction and apology about an hour ago.
I have put two photos on veiwmate for identification. They are school
photos, one circa 1904, the  other probably a few years later. From
Harold Behr’s collection. Surnames already known in these are a Behr,
Hurwitz and a Issroff..
Some Linkuva families went to South Africa

any information appreciated

see:
My veiwmate post went out with an incorrect url. Apologies, these are
now correct .

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=75682
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=75683
Saul Issroff

On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 at 10:58, Flavio Baran <fdbaran@...> wrote:
Hi all, is this only me or all others are unable to see the photos mentioned above?

The only visible parts are the surnames mentioned in the post.

Thank you.

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Linkuva (Lithuania) school photos for id

Flavio Baran <fdbaran@...>
 

Hi all, is this only me or all others are unable to see the photos mentioned above?

The only visible parts are the surnames mentioned in the post.

Thank you.


The name Orzsike

Amit N
 

Dear all,

Thanks to Judy Petersen, I have found a death notice for one of my
great-great-great grandfathers. One of the names signed as mourners is
Orzsike (the O has Umlaut).
What name this could refer to? It is obviously a nickname. Could it be Erzsebet?

Thank you very much,
Amit Naor
Israel


Re: Linkuva (Lithuania) school photos for id

Saul Issroff
 

My veiwmate post went out with an incorrect url. Apologies, these are now correct .


Saul Issroff
London. uK.


My COHEN branch from Lithuania #lithuania

Angie Elfassi
 

Hi,

My grandma Sarah b. 1878 nee COHEN Richman was born in Sakiai, Lithuania.

As far as I know, she had two brothers:
Harris Tsvi Hirsch Cohen b. 1860.
Morris Moshe Cohen b. 1882

Their father was Shmuel Yitzhak b c. 1843. He married Chana d/o Efraim (possibly Cantor) and as far as I know, they were the parents of the aforementioned three children: Harris Tsvi Hirsch, Sarah and Morris Moshe.

I havent found other children from Shmuel Yitzhak and Chana, but it is odd that there is such a large gap between Harris and Sarah, if Shmuel Yitzhak and Chana were the parents of all three. 

According to DNA tests of Harris' descendant (direct ggrandson) and Sarah (my grandmother) we are 2nd-3rd cousins, so there doesnt seem to be a hiccup [ :-) ] there.

Shmuel Yitzhak had one brother that I know of: Mordechai.  Their father was either Yekutial or Yechial or Zusman Cohen. The name discrepancy comes from Shmuel and Mordechai's tombstones. Different father's names on tombstones can happen. For example on my father's tombstone it says s/o Yosef and on his full brother's tombstone it says s/o Zissel.

Anyhow both Efraim and Yekutial died in Lithuania.  All the other ancestors mentioned above, died in Leeds, Yorkshire.

I have been trawling through JewishGen trying to find Chana d/o Efraim to discover a surname (might be Cantor) and additional births for children of Shmuel Yitzhak and Chana.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Dare I say, Cohen is such a difficult name to research.

Thanks
Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel

Searching:
RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds
COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds
MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds

KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds

MULVIDSON, Rezekne, Latvia/Sweden

GREENSTONE, Rezekne, Lavia/Leeds

ITMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/USA

SOKOLOV, Latvia

KANTOR, Sakia, Lithuania