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Origin of BARB Family name - Jacob Berab? #rabbinic

Simon Barb <simon_barb2001@...>
 

I have been researching my family name for over ten years and would
appreciate some input >from Rav SIG Members.

Briefly, my family name BARB appears in the metrical records for Mostyka
- now in Ukraine (on the border with Poland) but previously in Galicia -
going back to at least 1750. Specifically:

Loemel (1761-1833), son of Ester and Salman Barb nee Holischitz

I have found no members of other BARB families this far back in the
records, other than my own. In fact, I have found no records of people
of Jewish ancestry with the name BARB but who do not belong to my family
tree until the mid 1800's.

Obviously there are other BARB families, notably Christian families
originating in (West) Germany. Many of the descendants of these families
now thriving in the USA. I have also found no evidence of any kind
pointing to the name being a contraction of other longer surnames which
include BARB.

Family oral tradition suggests that our name is in some way connected
with Jacob BERAB, the Talmudist scholar and rabbi.

I understand that BERAB was not a family name, but an honorific title
given to certain eminent scholars.

Can any member of the SIG provide more information on the BERAB title.

As circumstantial evidence of the family's connection with rabbinical
learning, Loemel's grandson, Izak BARB is included in Meorei Galicia:
Encyclopedia of Galician Sages by rabbi Meir Wunder.

Additionally, my great-grandfather Moriz (Moses) BARB married Henriette
Schrenzel, daughter of D H Schrenzel, the Lviv printer of Hebrew texts.
D H Schrenzel was himself a descendent of Judith Rosanes, the well
documented Zolkiev printer.

There are other "hypotheses" about the origins of the family name BARB,
but these fail to explain the rarity of the name.

Simon Barb
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Origin of BARB Family name - Jacob Berab? #rabbinic

Simon Barb <simon_barb2001@...>
 

I have been researching my family name for over ten years and would
appreciate some input >from Rav SIG Members.

Briefly, my family name BARB appears in the metrical records for Mostyka
- now in Ukraine (on the border with Poland) but previously in Galicia -
going back to at least 1750. Specifically:

Loemel (1761-1833), son of Ester and Salman Barb nee Holischitz

I have found no members of other BARB families this far back in the
records, other than my own. In fact, I have found no records of people
of Jewish ancestry with the name BARB but who do not belong to my family
tree until the mid 1800's.

Obviously there are other BARB families, notably Christian families
originating in (West) Germany. Many of the descendants of these families
now thriving in the USA. I have also found no evidence of any kind
pointing to the name being a contraction of other longer surnames which
include BARB.

Family oral tradition suggests that our name is in some way connected
with Jacob BERAB, the Talmudist scholar and rabbi.

I understand that BERAB was not a family name, but an honorific title
given to certain eminent scholars.

Can any member of the SIG provide more information on the BERAB title.

As circumstantial evidence of the family's connection with rabbinical
learning, Loemel's grandson, Izak BARB is included in Meorei Galicia:
Encyclopedia of Galician Sages by rabbi Meir Wunder.

Additionally, my great-grandfather Moriz (Moses) BARB married Henriette
Schrenzel, daughter of D H Schrenzel, the Lviv printer of Hebrew texts.
D H Schrenzel was himself a descendent of Judith Rosanes, the well
documented Zolkiev printer.

There are other "hypotheses" about the origins of the family name BARB,
but these fail to explain the rarity of the name.

Simon Barb
Re: grave on Mt. Of Olives

Dror Bereznitsky
 

Mount of Olives has a website which allows search for a grave.
It will return information transcribed from the tombstone and sometimes a photo.
It has an English and Hebrew versions.
Re: grave on Mt. Of Olives

Moishe Miller
 

Gayle,
You say "Mt olives records are in Mea Sherim". Can you be more specific? How do we access them? Is there any contact or address detail you can add?

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
Research help #bessarabia

shani zvi <shanizvi@...>
 

Hello,

My name is Shani, I'm >from Israel.
During my research of my family ancestry tree in Thessaloniki Greece
I've discovered that one side of the family arrived there from
Bessarabia, possibly >from Akkerman.
I've tried searching the database for some leads but wasn't able to find any.

The family that I'm looking for are:
Parents: Haim/Khaim and Khana Blushtein (not sure of the correct spelling)
Children:
Lea/Lutch/Zelda born circa 1898-1901
Israel born circa 1903
Pinkas/Pinchas born circa 1905.

I'd appreciate any advise or help >from you or if you can refer me to
someone else that can help it would be great.

Thanks,
Shani
Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Research help #bessarabia

shani zvi <shanizvi@...>
 

Hello,

My name is Shani, I'm >from Israel.
During my research of my family ancestry tree in Thessaloniki Greece
I've discovered that one side of the family arrived there from
Bessarabia, possibly >from Akkerman.
I've tried searching the database for some leads but wasn't able to find any.

The family that I'm looking for are:
Parents: Haim/Khaim and Khana Blushtein (not sure of the correct spelling)
Children:
Lea/Lutch/Zelda born circa 1898-1901
Israel born circa 1903
Pinkas/Pinchas born circa 1905.

I'd appreciate any advise or help >from you or if you can refer me to
someone else that can help it would be great.

Thanks,
Shani
Looking for Stewart Ira Cohen

nk
 

Hello,

I am wanting to contact Stewart Ira Cohen, originally from Malden, Massachusetts. He likely made aliyah in the 1970s. I would appreciate any contact information. Please respond privately. Thank you.

Michele Zell Kanter
Skokie, IL (origianlly from Winnipeg, Canada)


Researching:
Greenberg: Kamenny Brod, Ukraine
Karlik, Laventman: Kitaigorod, Ukraine/Bessarabia
Korb, Levin, Levit: Skopishok, Lithuania; Latvia
Zelbovitch, Zilber: Ponidel, Lithuania
Looking for members of the GOLDBLATT-LEVIN family from Johannesburg #southafrica

Roy Ogus
 

I'm trying to make contact with any members of the family of the following
couple who were married in Johannesburg in 1927:

Date of marriage: 29 August 1927
Groom: David Jack GOLDBLATT, age 27, born in "Russia"
Bride: Leah LEVIN, age 24, born in "Russia"

The couple were living at 163 Smit Street, Braamfontein, Johannesburg, at the
time of the marriage.

Please let me know if you have any information about this family. Thanks!

Roy Ogus
California, USA
r_ogus at hotmail.com
South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Looking for members of the GOLDBLATT-LEVIN family from Johannesburg #southafrica

Roy Ogus
 

I'm trying to make contact with any members of the family of the following
couple who were married in Johannesburg in 1927:

Date of marriage: 29 August 1927
Groom: David Jack GOLDBLATT, age 27, born in "Russia"
Bride: Leah LEVIN, age 24, born in "Russia"

The couple were living at 163 Smit Street, Braamfontein, Johannesburg, at the
time of the marriage.

Please let me know if you have any information about this family. Thanks!

Roy Ogus
California, USA
r_ogus at hotmail.com
Lowy-Wagschal family

Neil Rosenstein
 

Trying to make contact with the children of Feiga (nee Wagschal - of the Chassidic dynasty) Lowy - DRs Jos and Izzy (Israel) Lowy. Their grandfather was Rabbi  Joshua (Osias) Wagschal of Frysztak-Kortchin-Williamsburg, born Frysztak on June 3, 1889 and died in New York on September 6, 1944 and was buried in Beth David Cemetery, Elmont, 
Re: New records online: the New York City *Geographic* Birth Index, late 19th and early 20th century, from Reclaim The Records

A. E. Jordan
 


Brooke Schreier Ganz writes
There are many other films of this Geographic Birth Index, which
supposedly go up through the 1940's or possibly the early 1950's. We
believe they are still in the possession of the New York City
Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, and were not turned over to
the Archives.



I have had some experience with these files at the Health Department.  As part of a search a few years ago I asked for access to these files or the ability to check for a missing birth record.  It was a long drawn out process with the Health Department constantly asking me if I was the father of the child born in 1910 who died in 1912.  I got a certified copy of the death certificate from the Archives and using the DOH own rules I should have been permitted access to the birth record which was critical for the research.

After convincing DOH that it was mathematically (and biologically) impossible for me to be the father of a child who died 100-plus years ago one of the supervisors worked on my search.

When I raised the question of the geographic birth index to help solve the problem they admitted it exists on microfilm but later came back to me saying it was not possible that the records were "molding away" in their sub basement.

It would be great for Reclaim to win with the DOH but I fear what they may find.

Allan Jordan
Surnames: Palumbo - SIcily/ Homer - Poland

shefa22@...
 

bs'd

Hello Group!
I'm trying to find living relatives or historaical data on the names Palumbo and Homer.
Homer was my biological father's last name.
Palumbo is my great grandmother's name on paternal side.
Thanks in advance. 
May we all be successful in our family roots search!
Re: New records online: the New York City *Geographic* Birth Index, late 19th and early 20th century, from Reclaim The Records

Asparagirl
 

Judy writes:
"Manhattan 1910-1914 only has "a" which only goes through 425 East
Broadway (of course I need Norfolk St.) - will the rest of Manhattan
1910-1914 be added?"

Hi Judy,

Reclaim The Records has acquired, digitized, and posted online every
microfilm of the New York City Geographic Birth Index that the New
York City Municipal Archives currently has in their possession --
that's 96 microfilms. But as you've noticed, the records
unceremoniously cut off in the early twentieth century, in different
years depending on the Borough (county).

There are many other films of this Geographic Birth Index, which
supposedly go up through the 1940's or possibly the early 1950's. We
believe they are still in the possession of the New York City
Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, and were not turned over to
the Archives.

But as far as we know, the only way to get access to these newer
films, and the millions of names in them, would be to file a New York
State Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request with the DOH. And
judging from the DOH's terrible behavior concerning FOIL and
historical records access, it is likely that they would ignore such a
FOIL request, or try to deny it on ridiculous terms, perhaps inventing
"creative" new FOIL exemptions, or claiming that their internal
policies or rules could somehow trump the state law. And therefore,
this request would most likely have to turn into a real Freedom of
Information lawsuit -- which is more accurately an "Article 78"
petition filed in the Supreme Court of New York.

And we're perfectly happy to do that, if needed! Since our founding in
2015, Reclaim The Records has filed *nine* lawsuits against various
city, state, and federal government agencies...well, so far. And other
than the awesome Alex Krakovsky in Ukraine, we seem to be the only
genealogists in the world who actually fight for genealogical records
access in court. And we're pretty good at it. ;-)

But the thing is, Reclaim The Records is *already* suing the NYC DOH
in a different Freedom of Information suit right now, fighting for the
first-ever public release of all New York City death certificates for
1949-1968. And we're also attempting to strike down their awful new
rules against access to NYC birth and death certificates. You can read
more about that ongoing case here:
https://www.reclaimtherecords.org/records-request/24/
(FYI, the first hearing is coming up this Thursday!)

So if you'd like to help fund *another* lawsuit to sue the NYC DOH
under FOIL, to get the other forty years of the New York Geographical
Birth Index out of the hands of the DOH and onto the Internet where it
belongs, we would be happy to help. And it's certainly something that
we might chose to do in the future. But the reality is that these
lawsuits cost money, and we're a small non-profit, with an
all-volunteer board. So we need to pick and choose our battles, and
schedule these lawsuits strategically...and also ask for donations, to
help make these lawsuits a reality.

To sum up: yes, of course we want to get the rest of this great record
set, and many other historical records too, and not just in New York
-- but the only way to make that kind of thing happen is to raise more
funding to hire lawyers, or else find more attorneys who are willing
to work with us pro bono. The good news is that the law is quite often
on our side, and that these suits can work really well. The bad news
is that we have to pace ourselves and can only file and manage a few
suits a year, so that our ambitions don't outstrip our bank account.
;-)


- Brooke Schreier Ganz
Mill Valley, California
Re: grave on Mt. Of Olives

Gayle Schlissel Riley
 

Mt olives records are in Mea Sherim. They have wonderful maps. I got my great grandfathers records there..Gayle
Louis Littman Gold
Re: New records online: the New York City *Geographic* Birth Index, late 19th and early 20th century, from Reclaim The Records

Judy Kaufman
 

Manhattan 1910-1914  only has "a" which only goes through 425 East Broadway (of course I need Norfolk St.) - will the rest of Manhattan 1910-1914 be added?
Help - Crack a puzzle about Ptaszek family research

דוד נ.א.
 

Summary:
1. Could it be that "Beyla" in one record is "Dwora" in another?
2. Is "Myszka" likely to be "Hisza"?

Baruch Hashem, I managed to reach my family research a few generations
back to the early nineteenth century, to a grandfather named Asher
Ptaszek, from the town of Miedzyrzec. Except here, I was stopped by a
fascinating challenge.

"Grandpa Asher" had a brother, named Nachman. On the other hand, I
found in the town a man named Nachman Ptaszek. If Nachman is the
brother of "Asher" - then it fascinating. Because the documents tell
about Nahman's parents and even his grandparents (until 1760!), And
also about his many descendants, of whom I also found people living
with us today.

But, how disappointing: I can't find conclusive proof of Nachman's
identification as Asher's brother. On the one hand, all signs indicate
that they are siblings, but on the other hand - there is some data
that contradicts that. And the "conclusive " proof - I don't, because
I don't have enough data on Asher's family.

I won't give you all the data and image analysis here, because it will
be long, I'll just share with you the basics, and the problems that
mark me.

The documents clearly state that Asher's wife called "Dwora" and that
he had a brother called Asher. And also Nachman's documents say he had
a brother named Asher. In terms of age - they are similar, both about
1808. Other signs indicate a match.

So why not? Mainly because of the following reason:
I found the death record of a person named Asher Ptaszek. It can be a
good match for my grandfather, especially in light of the fact that he
died young (24), like my grandfather. But, my grandfather's wife was
called "Dwora", and the widow of this "Asher" was called "Beyla".

The names are quite different, it seems that the clerk was wrong. She
may have been called two names "Dwora Beyla" but that is also
unlikely. Deborah appears in her name so her only name in three
certificates over different periods (birth, marriage, and death of her
daughter), strange that in one certificate only Beyla appears as a
single name.

And assuming this Asher is not "My Grandfather Asher" is a problem.
Because the names of his parents are very similar to the names of
Nachman's parents, and very likely they are brothers, and if so he is
Nachman's brother and not "mine".

The parents of this Asher (from the death certificate) called Samuel
and "Myszka," while Nachman's parents called Samuel and "Hisza." It's
probably the same people. Especially as far as I know - there is no
such woman's name "Myszka", very likely it is the clerk's mistake in
identifying the sound. How about that?

Thank you for your help
David Nesher
Israel
Givatayim, Israel Meeting Nov. 13, 2019 Pedigree Scrolls Throughout Jewish History

Hinda Solomon
 

 Israel Genealogy Research Association - Lecturer Beniamin Panteliat.
The lecture will be in Hebrew.

  As part of the International Month of Jewish Genealogy, Beniamin
  Panteliat will introduce us to the world of pedigree scrolls of the Jewish
  people. What are they?  When did they come into being? And why? How were relationships documented?
  How was  documentation kept in different periods and how was it passed from generation
  to generation? Why did the members of the Ibn Danan family from Morocco make
  sure to write down their yichus as far as Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon on every ketubah?

Beniamin Panteliat is an expert in rabbinical genealogy, and helps bridge the gap between ancient genealogies
  and modern family trees.

  Shazar Community Center, 30 Yavne’eli St.,  Givatayim, Israel
  Entrance fee NIS 20. IGRA members no charge

 7:30  PM  -Mingling and light refreshments
8:00 PM - 9:30 PM Lecture

Map:  https://goo.gl/maps/zvesttigzxJT6ViQ7
Website: http://genealogy.org.il/
 E-mail:  hinda@...

Posted by Hinda Solomon
Rishon LeZion, Israel
Phoenix (Arizona) Jewish Genealogy Group meeting - 10 Nov. 2019

Emily Garber
 

The Phoenix Jewish Genealogy Group will hold its next meeting on 10 November 2019 from 1-3 PM at:
The New Shul
7825 E. Paradise Lane
Scottsdale, Arizona

Emily Garber will present, “Planning for Success: A Strategy for Effective Family History Research.”

Approaching genealogy research in an organized fashion can not only save time and effort, but also improve research results. This talk will outline strategies and suggested formats for successful family history research including: formulating research questions, evaluating what we already know, brainstorming one’s approach, conducting research, and getting it all down on paper.

Emily Garber, chair of the Phoenix Jewish Genealogy group, is a genealogy author, speaker and researcher. She has been researching her Jewish heritage since 2007 and holds a certificate from Boston University’s Genealogical research program. She is author of several articles published in Avotaynu and most recently completed The Baum Family of Kansas City, a two-volume family history of a Bavarian Jewish family.

After Emily’s presentation there will be ample time for mentoring. Have research questions ready!

Emily Garber
Chair
Phoenix Jewish Genealogy Group
Arizona Jewish Historical Society

Re: Date of Birth input into databases

Louis Zetler
 

Note that Lithuania had a different calendar and only started following the Gregorian in the early 1900 (subject to correction. So when taking Lithuanian records which are also in Hebrew/Yiddish, convert the Hebrew date to the Gregorian date.
Re: who are or where is Bialostoker #poland

David Syner
 

Thanks to everyone for all the leads

 

-- 
David Syner
Los Angeles, CA
cell 310-801-2279

Dsyner@...

Family website
http://www.davidsyner.com/familytree/

Researching
SINER / ZINNER / ZINER New York, Bialystok

SCHMALTZ / SCHMALZ/SZMALZ New York, Luna, Grodno, Stoll, Rudman, Carbella ;Russia ( Grodno is now Hrodna, Belarus ) SCHULTZ TENN, AVES, Russia  POUSNER / POSNER, New York,Russia BERLIN Detroit BELENKY / BIELINKA / BELLINSKY Libau, Latvia , Mohilew  NEWMAN Detroit NEIMAN / NUONAW/ PENICA / PENITZ Krasosielc, Poland, Warshaw  MELTZER, Detroit, Katrinslove or Poltavia or Gatrinslove (sp), Russia, or Yekahnislaw or Ekaterinoslau (Ekaterinoslav is now Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine) DEITCH, Russia   RACHATAN/RACHIDSON /RUSICHAU / RUSICHAN / Krasechan, Dwinsk,Russia( Dwinsk is Daugavpils, Latvia) BELIAK/ BIELAK / BELAK Toronta, Canada, Breslaw, Slobotka,  Riga, Dwinsk
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