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Re: false negatives #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

Gary,
I had a similar situation in my family, where the results did not show
that either I or my second cousin was related to our mutual second cousin.
First I started composing an email to Bennett Greenspan (which I eventually
sent). But while I was working on it, I uploaded my cousins raw data from
Family Finder to www.GEDMATCH.com. (Mine was already up there). After the
results were processed by GEDMATCH, I asked them to compare the two kits.
They came back with 2.9 generations to MRCA (most recent common ancestor)
which is consistent with second cousin. That determined that (a) the DNA
did show the relationship and I did not need to go looking for the
"milkman", and (b) that FamilyTreeDNA somehow missed the closest
relationships. I did send the email off to Bennett (although - I think
reporting the problem using their form probably would have worked as well).
Apparently when they ran the matches they missed some of the "blocks".
Within two days, they re-ran the matches - and low and behold it showed all
of our true relationships.
If the GEDMATCH had not shown the relationship then I would have questioned
whether the lab results were correct, given the known relationship.

Sarah L Meyer


DNA Research #DNA RE: false negatives #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

Gary,
I had a similar situation in my family, where the results did not show
that either I or my second cousin was related to our mutual second cousin.
First I started composing an email to Bennett Greenspan (which I eventually
sent). But while I was working on it, I uploaded my cousins raw data from
Family Finder to www.GEDMATCH.com. (Mine was already up there). After the
results were processed by GEDMATCH, I asked them to compare the two kits.
They came back with 2.9 generations to MRCA (most recent common ancestor)
which is consistent with second cousin. That determined that (a) the DNA
did show the relationship and I did not need to go looking for the
"milkman", and (b) that FamilyTreeDNA somehow missed the closest
relationships. I did send the email off to Bennett (although - I think
reporting the problem using their form probably would have worked as well).
Apparently when they ran the matches they missed some of the "blocks".
Within two days, they re-ran the matches - and low and behold it showed all
of our true relationships.
If the GEDMATCH had not shown the relationship then I would have questioned
whether the lab results were correct, given the known relationship.

Sarah L Meyer


Re: False negatives in Family Finder test #dna

Judy Simon
 

There is a lot of randomness in the process of passing autosomal
chromosome segments to the next generation; by the luck of the draw,
it is possible for a woman and her sister's grandson to have no
segments in common in the Family Finder test, yielding a false
negative test. I don't think this this situation is common, but I
don't have enough knowledge and experience to put a probability on it.
There are others on the SIG who know more than I do, so hopefully
someone will come up with an estimate.

Judy Simon
Stony Brook, NY

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@earthlink.net> wrote:

It is my understanding that the Family Finder test of Family Tree DNA can
produce false positives, that is, two people may show close kinship but
actually may not be that closely related.

My question is whether the Family Finder test can also produce false
negatives. Specifically, I tested a woman and a man that hopefully was her
grandnephew (her sister's son's son). There was no Family Finder match.
Does this unconditionally conclude that they are not related? If false
negatives do occur, does anyone know at what rate given the kinship
described above?


DNA Research #DNA Re: False negatives in Family Finder test #dna

Judy Simon
 

There is a lot of randomness in the process of passing autosomal
chromosome segments to the next generation; by the luck of the draw,
it is possible for a woman and her sister's grandson to have no
segments in common in the Family Finder test, yielding a false
negative test. I don't think this this situation is common, but I
don't have enough knowledge and experience to put a probability on it.
There are others on the SIG who know more than I do, so hopefully
someone will come up with an estimate.

Judy Simon
Stony Brook, NY

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@earthlink.net> wrote:

It is my understanding that the Family Finder test of Family Tree DNA can
produce false positives, that is, two people may show close kinship but
actually may not be that closely related.

My question is whether the Family Finder test can also produce false
negatives. Specifically, I tested a woman and a man that hopefully was her
grandnephew (her sister's son's son). There was no Family Finder match.
Does this unconditionally conclude that they are not related? If false
negatives do occur, does anyone know at what rate given the kinship
described above?


Ohel Yosef by R' Yospa of Podkamen #rabbinic

Gilbert Hendlisz <gilbert.hendlisz@...>
 

Hello to the group,

Recently, I was looking for possible connections between me and the
Heilprin family. One of the these could be through a rabbi living during
the 17th century, R' David >from Lublin b' R' Meir b' R'Benjamin Wolf, a
member of the Heilprin family. He is briefly mentionned in Daat
Kedoshim, page 142. This mention refers to a book written in 1767 by R'
Yospa of Podkamin, "Ohel Yosef", that one can access for free with
HebrewBooks.org. Unfortunately, this book was badly printed, in rashi
script and my knowledge of hebrew is very weak. According to Daat
Kedoshim, the book contains stories about R' David and his family. If
someone could have a look into this book for me, I would be very gratefull.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Gilbert Hendlisz (Brusels)

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately with offers of help.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Ohel Yosef by R' Yospa of Podkamen #rabbinic

Gilbert Hendlisz <gilbert.hendlisz@...>
 

Hello to the group,

Recently, I was looking for possible connections between me and the
Heilprin family. One of the these could be through a rabbi living during
the 17th century, R' David >from Lublin b' R' Meir b' R'Benjamin Wolf, a
member of the Heilprin family. He is briefly mentionned in Daat
Kedoshim, page 142. This mention refers to a book written in 1767 by R'
Yospa of Podkamin, "Ohel Yosef", that one can access for free with
HebrewBooks.org. Unfortunately, this book was badly printed, in rashi
script and my knowledge of hebrew is very weak. According to Daat
Kedoshim, the book contains stories about R' David and his family. If
someone could have a look into this book for me, I would be very gratefull.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Gilbert Hendlisz (Brusels)

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately with offers of help.


ViewMate translation request - Polish #poland

Sandy Aaronson
 

Hello...

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a loose translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM23712

It is a marriage certificate >from Jablonka Koscielna for Basia Nyskowna and
Szmerek Lejbowicz.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thanking you in advance,
Sandy Aaronson
El Paso, Texas

Researching: ARONZON, RUBENSTEIN, GREENBERG, KOLICHMAN Verbovets, Podolia,
Ukraine;
COHEN, LEIBOWITZ, WEISS around Makow Mazowiecki, Poland

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/verbovets/


JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate translation request - Polish #poland

Sandy Aaronson
 

Hello...

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a loose translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM23712

It is a marriage certificate >from Jablonka Koscielna for Basia Nyskowna and
Szmerek Lejbowicz.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thanking you in advance,
Sandy Aaronson
El Paso, Texas

Researching: ARONZON, RUBENSTEIN, GREENBERG, KOLICHMAN Verbovets, Podolia,
Ukraine;
COHEN, LEIBOWITZ, WEISS around Makow Mazowiecki, Poland

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/verbovets/


1842 Marriage Record-Translation and Rudzie Question on ViewMate #poland

Dan <doren@...>
 

Polish Text >from the 1842 marriage record of my GGGgrandmother
is posted at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM23731>

With help >from Google and Judith Frazin's great book on Polish vital
records, I think it means:
Sura Zylberberg, an unmarried girl, age eighteen years, daughter of
the married couple of Jankel (aka Jukiel) and Perl Zylberberg born
in the village of Ruda (?Rudzie), now residing with them in the local
Opole liquor tavern.

Two Questions:

1) What or where is Rudzie? Is it a town? Does anyone know further
information about it?

2) Is the translation correct, particularly regarding Sura's family
living in the local tavern?

Thank you kindly,
Dan Oren
Woodbridge, CT
Searching for : ZYLBERBERG and ANKIER >from Jozefow and Opele.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately or on the Viewmate
form for the translation. Information about the town, or
about the connection between Jewish families and the local
tavern, may be shared with the list.


JRI Poland #Poland 1842 Marriage Record-Translation and Rudzie Question on ViewMate #poland

Dan <doren@...>
 

Polish Text >from the 1842 marriage record of my GGGgrandmother
is posted at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM23731>

With help >from Google and Judith Frazin's great book on Polish vital
records, I think it means:
Sura Zylberberg, an unmarried girl, age eighteen years, daughter of
the married couple of Jankel (aka Jukiel) and Perl Zylberberg born
in the village of Ruda (?Rudzie), now residing with them in the local
Opole liquor tavern.

Two Questions:

1) What or where is Rudzie? Is it a town? Does anyone know further
information about it?

2) Is the translation correct, particularly regarding Sura's family
living in the local tavern?

Thank you kindly,
Dan Oren
Woodbridge, CT
Searching for : ZYLBERBERG and ANKIER >from Jozefow and Opele.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately or on the Viewmate
form for the translation. Information about the town, or
about the connection between Jewish families and the local
tavern, may be shared with the list.


Unique Surnames from the Vilnius City Family Lists #lithuania

Peggy Freedman <peggyf@...>
 

The Vilnius District Research Group (DRG)of LitvakSIG has translated
Volumes I, II, and IV of the 1875 Vilnius City Family List. Volume
III is missing.

I extracted the unique surnames found in Volumes I and II. They are
posted at:
http://goo.gl/KABjQ

The 1100+ surnames on this list represent over 11,000 individuals in the
data files.

If you would like more information about a surname, please contact me.

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
Coordinator, Vilnius District Research Group
peggyf@mindspring.com


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Unique Surnames from the Vilnius City Family Lists #lithuania

Peggy Freedman <peggyf@...>
 

The Vilnius District Research Group (DRG)of LitvakSIG has translated
Volumes I, II, and IV of the 1875 Vilnius City Family List. Volume
III is missing.

I extracted the unique surnames found in Volumes I and II. They are
posted at:
http://goo.gl/KABjQ

The 1100+ surnames on this list represent over 11,000 individuals in the
data files.

If you would like more information about a surname, please contact me.

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
Coordinator, Vilnius District Research Group
peggyf@mindspring.com


Re: Where is Mosiadie/Mosiadsk/Telshovo? #general

Alexander Sharon <olek.sharon@...>
 

Jean Warwick wrote:
It says it is an extract >from the book of births of the Jewish Parish
of the village of Mosiadie for the year 1890
snip........

Dear Jean,

This is correct.

Mosedis in Klaipeda County, Lithuania, used to be known as Masiady in
Polish. Town Jewish population in 1897 was 363.
There are 19 entries for this shtetl in JGFF database.

Best,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Where is Mosiadie/Mosiadsk/Telshovo? #general

Alexander Sharon <olek.sharon@...>
 

Jean Warwick wrote:
It says it is an extract >from the book of births of the Jewish Parish
of the village of Mosiadie for the year 1890
snip........

Dear Jean,

This is correct.

Mosedis in Klaipeda County, Lithuania, used to be known as Masiady in
Polish. Town Jewish population in 1897 was 363.
There are 19 entries for this shtetl in JGFF database.

Best,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB


Belgium- KazerneDossin- WWII Archives on Deportation of Belgian Jews #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

I was able to meet with the Director, Memoriaal, Museum en
Documentatiecentrum over Holocaust en Mensenrechten in Mechelen, Belgium of
the KazerneDossin.. While the Museum is closed until this November as it is
building a new building, they hold documents for the 25,000 Jews deported
from Belgium to Auschwitz.
Belgium by edict since 1830 does not list the ethnicity nor religion of
their citizens--they did not know which of their citizens were Jewish.
However, 90% of the Jews deported >from Belgium were "foreigners" -who fled
to Belgium starting in the 1930's >from various countries. Of the 56,000
people the Nazi's had registered as "Jews"--they had to file a "foreign
police " report and in the 3 million files they were able to trace back the
25,000 deported Jews. Forty percent of the 25,000 Jews were originally >from
Poland and then there many >from Germany, Hungary and other countries,

The museum has documents such as their original country of issue passports,
Nazi deportation lists, 17 anti-Jewish laws that were posted so no one
could say they didn't know, photographs, important biographical information
such as country of origin, occupation, birth dates, to when they fled to
Belgium, Nazi-required municipality lists of registered Jews, letters >from
collaborators telling the Nazis which Belgians were hiding Jews, information
on the 3,500 children that were taken to be hidden by the resistance,
transport lists and much more. These records are digitized but are not on
the Internet, nor will they be placed on the Internet to protect the living,
The Museum's second phase is to digitize the " persecuted -hidden Jews. As
this is a totally private not governmental museum--they rely on private
donations to pay the staff of three--therefore, this next phase may take 5
years to complete.

They were able to acquire the Nazi documents as the Nazi's left them behind
when they fled after the Allies landed in Normandy-they liberated Belgium
four days later.

If you wish to inquire if the records hold something of interest on your
family--remember most of the deported Jews came >from other European
countries--so this holds a potential genealogical trove of records for many
without Belgian ancestors..you can request assistance >from Director Ward
Adriaens -- at: info@kazernedossin.eu or view the website at:
www.kazernedossikn.eu. I do not know what if any charge there may be for
the search or copies of the records.

The archives are located at:

KazerneDossin
Gaswin de Staassartstraat 153
2800 Mechlin-Belgie

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Belgium- KazerneDossin- WWII Archives on Deportation of Belgian Jews #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

I was able to meet with the Director, Memoriaal, Museum en
Documentatiecentrum over Holocaust en Mensenrechten in Mechelen, Belgium of
the KazerneDossin.. While the Museum is closed until this November as it is
building a new building, they hold documents for the 25,000 Jews deported
from Belgium to Auschwitz.
Belgium by edict since 1830 does not list the ethnicity nor religion of
their citizens--they did not know which of their citizens were Jewish.
However, 90% of the Jews deported >from Belgium were "foreigners" -who fled
to Belgium starting in the 1930's >from various countries. Of the 56,000
people the Nazi's had registered as "Jews"--they had to file a "foreign
police " report and in the 3 million files they were able to trace back the
25,000 deported Jews. Forty percent of the 25,000 Jews were originally >from
Poland and then there many >from Germany, Hungary and other countries,

The museum has documents such as their original country of issue passports,
Nazi deportation lists, 17 anti-Jewish laws that were posted so no one
could say they didn't know, photographs, important biographical information
such as country of origin, occupation, birth dates, to when they fled to
Belgium, Nazi-required municipality lists of registered Jews, letters >from
collaborators telling the Nazis which Belgians were hiding Jews, information
on the 3,500 children that were taken to be hidden by the resistance,
transport lists and much more. These records are digitized but are not on
the Internet, nor will they be placed on the Internet to protect the living,
The Museum's second phase is to digitize the " persecuted -hidden Jews. As
this is a totally private not governmental museum--they rely on private
donations to pay the staff of three--therefore, this next phase may take 5
years to complete.

They were able to acquire the Nazi documents as the Nazi's left them behind
when they fled after the Allies landed in Normandy-they liberated Belgium
four days later.

If you wish to inquire if the records hold something of interest on your
family--remember most of the deported Jews came >from other European
countries--so this holds a potential genealogical trove of records for many
without Belgian ancestors..you can request assistance >from Director Ward
Adriaens -- at: info@kazernedossin.eu or view the website at:
www.kazernedossikn.eu. I do not know what if any charge there may be for
the search or copies of the records.

The archives are located at:

KazerneDossin
Gaswin de Staassartstraat 153
2800 Mechlin-Belgie

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: International Refugee Organization records #general

Lewis, Megan
 

Hello Jack,

Have you tried the International Tracing Service records? The IRO's
documentation on individuals in many cases is part of ITS. You can
submit a request to United States Holocaust Memorial Museum's ITS
service via the form at
http://itsrequest.ushmm.org/its/getting_started.php.

We also have IRO administrative records that contain some documents on
individuals but only in specific situations such as Jewish refugees in
Shanghai being taken to the Philippines. The finding aid for this
collection, RG-43.048, is available online at
http://www.ushmm.org/research/collections/finding_aids/RG43048M.html

(Sending this to the list in case others are interested in IRO records.)

Best wishes,

Megan Lewis
reference librarian
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: International Refugee Organization records #general

Lewis, Megan
 

Hello Jack,

Have you tried the International Tracing Service records? The IRO's
documentation on individuals in many cases is part of ITS. You can
submit a request to United States Holocaust Memorial Museum's ITS
service via the form at
http://itsrequest.ushmm.org/its/getting_started.php.

We also have IRO administrative records that contain some documents on
individuals but only in specific situations such as Jewish refugees in
Shanghai being taken to the Philippines. The finding aid for this
collection, RG-43.048, is available online at
http://www.ushmm.org/research/collections/finding_aids/RG43048M.html

(Sending this to the list in case others are interested in IRO records.)

Best wishes,

Megan Lewis
reference librarian
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum


Pincus BERGER #general

Linda Berkowitz <lindaberkowitz@...>
 

I am looking for information on Pincus BERGER. I believe he was born
circa 1860. He immigrated to the US, probably in 1886, marrying Sara
Nussbaum, and later having seven children: Rose; Hyman/Julius; Louis;
Rachel; Morris; Dora, and Benjamin. I have the 1900 and 1910 census
information for the family and the birth listing for Dora and Louis. I
also know that Sara moved to Chicago where she married Samuel SPIRA
before dying in 1919.

The BERGER family >from Galicia, perhaps Ulanow. Pincus's family had
connections to BERGERs >from Chicago.

Linda Berkowitz
Northbrook, IL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pincus BERGER #general

Linda Berkowitz <lindaberkowitz@...>
 

I am looking for information on Pincus BERGER. I believe he was born
circa 1860. He immigrated to the US, probably in 1886, marrying Sara
Nussbaum, and later having seven children: Rose; Hyman/Julius; Louis;
Rachel; Morris; Dora, and Benjamin. I have the 1900 and 1910 census
information for the family and the birth listing for Dora and Louis. I
also know that Sara moved to Chicago where she married Samuel SPIRA
before dying in 1919.

The BERGER family >from Galicia, perhaps Ulanow. Pincus's family had
connections to BERGERs >from Chicago.

Linda Berkowitz
Northbrook, IL

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