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Re: Lodz Cemetery Records #lodz #poland

Shirley Flaum <saraella2@...>
 

Dear LARG Subscribers,

Orit Lavi brings up some interesting and important points in her recent
message. I will try to address them here.

** Is the info maintained by the Jewish community of Lodz identical to the
info in Tel Aviv?

Answer: No. The information in the Tel Aviv landsmanshaft database was taken
from the Jewish Community of Lodz data, so theoretically the names
should be identical. However, the index cards in the possession of the
Jewish Community of Lodz contain additional details, such as maiden surname
of female deceased, maiden surname of the mother of the deceased, Hebrew
date of death (in addition to civil date), home address of the deceased,
address >from which the body was taken for burial, town of birth of the
deceased, and additional notes, if any.

** Are there any other accessible sources for burials in Lodz in those years
[1910 – 1918]?

Answer: Yes. They are contained in “Stary Cmentarz Zydowski w Lodzi: dzieje
i zabytki" (The Old Cemetery in Lodz: Records and Relic Remains), 1938 (for
further information see:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/oldcem.htm). Although the Old
Jewish Cemetery on Wesola Street was officially closed in 1892, burials
continued to take place sporadically, with the last occurring in 1922
(corresponding to the Hebrew years 5652 to 5682). This is due to a number of
reasons. Some Jews had obtained special permission >from the Jewish Community
to be buried in the Old Cemetery along side family members. During Word War
I, the New Lodz Cemetery became part of the battlefield that was Lodz during
the German invasion of the city. It being too dangerous to use the cemetery,
the Old Cemetery was reopened for burials. Those buried there during this
period included civilians killed by bombs and typhus epidemics, among other
causes, as well as Jewish soldiers killed in battle (some >from distant parts
of the Russian Empire). If anyone has a specific name they are looking for
with estimated dates of birth/death, I can look it up. It is
possible the Tel Aviv landsmanshaft has a copy of “Stary Cmentarz Zydowski w
Lodzi” in its library but I am not certain.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
LARG Co-Coordinator
saraella2@...

-- Original Message --

Thanks to Shirley Flaum's recent reminder, I have visited
the Organization of Former Residents of Lodz in Israel,
to search for my family listings in the Lodz Cemetery.
As noted on http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/newcem.htm
I have found info on family members not listed in Lodz ghetto lists or any
other online index under All Poland Database.

However it seems to me that the files do not include burials for the years
1910-1918.
I have checked some very common surnames (e.g. Fuks, Lewkowicz) - and no
burial was recorded for any of them between those years.
The same for all other surnames I have checked.

I would appreciate any info regarding burials in those years.
In particular:
* Is the info maintained by the Jewish community of Lodz identical to the
info in Tel Aviv?
** Are there any other accessible sources for burials in Lodz in those
years?

Thanks a lot

Orit Lavi
Tsukey-Yam, Israel
orit@...


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Re: Lodz Cemetery Records #lodz #poland

Shirley Flaum <saraella2@...>
 

Dear LARG Subscribers,

Orit Lavi brings up some interesting and important points in her recent
message. I will try to address them here.

** Is the info maintained by the Jewish community of Lodz identical to the
info in Tel Aviv?

Answer: No. The information in the Tel Aviv landsmanshaft database was taken
from the Jewish Community of Lodz data, so theoretically the names
should be identical. However, the index cards in the possession of the
Jewish Community of Lodz contain additional details, such as maiden surname
of female deceased, maiden surname of the mother of the deceased, Hebrew
date of death (in addition to civil date), home address of the deceased,
address >from which the body was taken for burial, town of birth of the
deceased, and additional notes, if any.

** Are there any other accessible sources for burials in Lodz in those years
[1910 – 1918]?

Answer: Yes. They are contained in “Stary Cmentarz Zydowski w Lodzi: dzieje
i zabytki" (The Old Cemetery in Lodz: Records and Relic Remains), 1938 (for
further information see:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/oldcem.htm). Although the Old
Jewish Cemetery on Wesola Street was officially closed in 1892, burials
continued to take place sporadically, with the last occurring in 1922
(corresponding to the Hebrew years 5652 to 5682). This is due to a number of
reasons. Some Jews had obtained special permission >from the Jewish Community
to be buried in the Old Cemetery along side family members. During Word War
I, the New Lodz Cemetery became part of the battlefield that was Lodz during
the German invasion of the city. It being too dangerous to use the cemetery,
the Old Cemetery was reopened for burials. Those buried there during this
period included civilians killed by bombs and typhus epidemics, among other
causes, as well as Jewish soldiers killed in battle (some >from distant parts
of the Russian Empire). If anyone has a specific name they are looking for
with estimated dates of birth/death, I can look it up. It is
possible the Tel Aviv landsmanshaft has a copy of “Stary Cmentarz Zydowski w
Lodzi” in its library but I am not certain.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
LARG Co-Coordinator
saraella2@...

-- Original Message --

Thanks to Shirley Flaum's recent reminder, I have visited
the Organization of Former Residents of Lodz in Israel,
to search for my family listings in the Lodz Cemetery.
As noted on http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/newcem.htm
I have found info on family members not listed in Lodz ghetto lists or any
other online index under All Poland Database.

However it seems to me that the files do not include burials for the years
1910-1918.
I have checked some very common surnames (e.g. Fuks, Lewkowicz) - and no
burial was recorded for any of them between those years.
The same for all other surnames I have checked.

I would appreciate any info regarding burials in those years.
In particular:
* Is the info maintained by the Jewish community of Lodz identical to the
info in Tel Aviv?
** Are there any other accessible sources for burials in Lodz in those
years?

Thanks a lot

Orit Lavi
Tsukey-Yam, Israel
orit@...


Yiddish Translation #galicia

Penny k
 

I have a document written in Yiddish (Hebrew script) which I believe was a
letter written to my grandmother in the early 1900s >from one of her family
members. It has been scanned. Can someone assist with translation into
English if I e-mail the scanned document?

Penny Kornstein
Scarsdale, NY (searching for Bierfass of Siedliska, Gach of Minks,
Lieberman and Kleinhandler of Chmielnik)


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Yiddish Translation #galicia

Penny k
 

I have a document written in Yiddish (Hebrew script) which I believe was a
letter written to my grandmother in the early 1900s >from one of her family
members. It has been scanned. Can someone assist with translation into
English if I e-mail the scanned document?

Penny Kornstein
Scarsdale, NY (searching for Bierfass of Siedliska, Gach of Minks,
Lieberman and Kleinhandler of Chmielnik)


Re: Deported or Fled to Bukhara? #galicia

Pnina Meislish <pniname@...>
 

After Sept. 1 1939 many Jews tried to escape to the area of Poland which was
conquered by the Russians up to the [time of the] agreement between Molotow and
Riventrop.
Many of them, as the Jews who lived in these "Polish" regions before WW2
have been asked by the Russian Authorities if they want to stay in Soviet
Union or not.
These who answered that they do not want to stay in Russia were suspected as
not loyal, and were deported to inner Russia.
These who said that they want to stay there were murdered later by the
Germans.
In the first stage the deported were sent to Siberia, and after an agreement
between the Polish government in London and the Russians many of them were
deported to the southern regions, in "better" conditions.
Many Jews of Poland were transferred just in the beginning of the war to
inner Russia.
According to an agreement in 1946 many Jews who could prove that before Sept
1939 they were Polosh citizens were allowed to return to Poland.
Most of them left Poland as soon as they could.

Dr. Pnina Meislish, Jerusalem


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia re: Deported or Fled to Bukhara? #galicia

Pnina Meislish <pniname@...>
 

After Sept. 1 1939 many Jews tried to escape to the area of Poland which was
conquered by the Russians up to the [time of the] agreement between Molotow and
Riventrop.
Many of them, as the Jews who lived in these "Polish" regions before WW2
have been asked by the Russian Authorities if they want to stay in Soviet
Union or not.
These who answered that they do not want to stay in Russia were suspected as
not loyal, and were deported to inner Russia.
These who said that they want to stay there were murdered later by the
Germans.
In the first stage the deported were sent to Siberia, and after an agreement
between the Polish government in London and the Russians many of them were
deported to the southern regions, in "better" conditions.
Many Jews of Poland were transferred just in the beginning of the war to
inner Russia.
According to an agreement in 1946 many Jews who could prove that before Sept
1939 they were Polosh citizens were allowed to return to Poland.
Most of them left Poland as soon as they could.

Dr. Pnina Meislish, Jerusalem


Re: MARGOLIOTH Genealogy #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

On 2005.01.03, "D.E. Margulis" <demarg@...> wrote:

Where can I find some good material on MARGOLIOTH (MARGULIS,
MORGULIS, MARGOLIS, MARGULIES, etc.) genealogy?
Meir Wunder, former bibliographer and genealogist, at the Israel National
library edited abook called "Elef Margaliot" in Hebrew. Very extensive.

I believe that Dr. Neil Rosenstein, in his "The Unbroken Chain" share much
of the same information.

Yoni Ben-Ari
Efrat, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: MARGOLIOTH Genealogy #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

On 2005.01.03, "D.E. Margulis" <demarg@...> wrote:

Where can I find some good material on MARGOLIOTH (MARGULIS,
MORGULIS, MARGOLIS, MARGULIES, etc.) genealogy?
Meir Wunder, former bibliographer and genealogist, at the Israel National
library edited abook called "Elef Margaliot" in Hebrew. Very extensive.

I believe that Dr. Neil Rosenstein, in his "The Unbroken Chain" share much
of the same information.

Yoni Ben-Ari
Efrat, Israel


BROWN / WARSHAW / NEVINS family of Lawrence,Mass Area #general

Craig Sugerman <rndp51@...>
 

I am looking for descendents of my g-g grandmother Mary(Bronstein)BROWN who
died in Lawrence about 1913.She was married to Simon Brown of Lawrence,Mass
who had roots in Rhode Island.Among the relatives would be descendents of
her daughter's,her step son, and grandaughter.Some of the names would be the
late Rose NEVINS ,Moses Brown, Rae Brown WARSHAW,Rebecca(Brown) FINKLEPEARL,
and Jennie(Brown) FREEDMAN? all who lived in this area at the turn of
the century.Please reply privately. Craig Sugerman Newton,Mass USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BROWN / WARSHAW / NEVINS family of Lawrence,Mass Area #general

Craig Sugerman <rndp51@...>
 

I am looking for descendents of my g-g grandmother Mary(Bronstein)BROWN who
died in Lawrence about 1913.She was married to Simon Brown of Lawrence,Mass
who had roots in Rhode Island.Among the relatives would be descendents of
her daughter's,her step son, and grandaughter.Some of the names would be the
late Rose NEVINS ,Moses Brown, Rae Brown WARSHAW,Rebecca(Brown) FINKLEPEARL,
and Jennie(Brown) FREEDMAN? all who lived in this area at the turn of
the century.Please reply privately. Craig Sugerman Newton,Mass USA


English translation for a name: "Kreincie Ruchel" #general

David Priever
 

Dear Fellow Jewishgenners,

A first and middle name on an 1892 birth record found in JRI-Poland
records is "Kreincie Ruchel". What would be the approximate English
equivalent of that name?

I have tried the various Jewishgen resources suggested by a Jewishgen
moderator but none of the resources answered my question.

Thank you in advance.
Sincerely,
David J. Priever
brooklyn1960@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The recommended JewishGen resources for learning about
given names, and the translations / equivalents / replacements most likely
used, are listed below. They can't provide certainty, and not all possible
names can be included, but some of these resources can give good leads in
many cases, and others provide invaluable background information on naming
practices.

The JewishGen FAQ, under Names, at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/faq.html#Names

The Names FAQ at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/namfaq0.htm

A slide presentation on given names by Warren Blatt at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/GivenNames/

The Given Names Databases at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/

The JewishGen Discussion Group Archives at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/archive.htm


Need to contact Warren Kohn #general

Mila Begun <mmbegun@...>
 

Does anyone know how to get in touch with Warren Kohn? I have two
different and unusable email addresses, and would like to be able to
tell him of some recent developments with Miedzyrzec Podlaski research.

Thanks in advance. --Mila Begun


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen English translation for a name: "Kreincie Ruchel" #general

David Priever
 

Dear Fellow Jewishgenners,

A first and middle name on an 1892 birth record found in JRI-Poland
records is "Kreincie Ruchel". What would be the approximate English
equivalent of that name?

I have tried the various Jewishgen resources suggested by a Jewishgen
moderator but none of the resources answered my question.

Thank you in advance.
Sincerely,
David J. Priever
brooklyn1960@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The recommended JewishGen resources for learning about
given names, and the translations / equivalents / replacements most likely
used, are listed below. They can't provide certainty, and not all possible
names can be included, but some of these resources can give good leads in
many cases, and others provide invaluable background information on naming
practices.

The JewishGen FAQ, under Names, at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/faq.html#Names

The Names FAQ at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/namfaq0.htm

A slide presentation on given names by Warren Blatt at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/GivenNames/

The Given Names Databases at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/

The JewishGen Discussion Group Archives at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/archive.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need to contact Warren Kohn #general

Mila Begun <mmbegun@...>
 

Does anyone know how to get in touch with Warren Kohn? I have two
different and unusable email addresses, and would like to be able to
tell him of some recent developments with Miedzyrzec Podlaski research.

Thanks in advance. --Mila Begun


Searching for Family graves in West Roxbury, Massachusetts #general

stephen field
 

My mame is Stephen Field. My E mail address is:
stemarfie@...
The following are names of relatives I am looking for. Other relatives are
buried in West Roxbury, Massachusetts at the Adath Jeshurun Cemetery on
Grove Street. They must be somewhere in the vicinity of the other members
of the family. Their relatives are buried down on the left on the second
aisle, in toward the middle of the cemetery. I was told that they are
buried down further in the same section or maybe to the right. They have
been gone a long time so their stones may be somewhat unreadable.

Their names, birth dates, death dates are as follows.

Louis Pecker
Husband of Lena (Schneiderman)Pecker
Born August 18, 1882?
Died ? 1960

Harry Schneiderman
Husband of Rebecca Schneiderman
Born ?
Died ?

Rebecca Schneiderman
Wife of Harry Schneiderman
Born ?
Died ?

Reuben Stevelman
Husband of Anna (Chanci)(Schneiderman) Stevelman
Born June 1881
Died April 27, 1921

If you find the section where they are buried please let me know what
section #, lot #, grave # of each of them. It has been difficult for me
to go there and find them after having two operations.
I hope you find them, and thank you.
Stephen Field
stemarfie@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Family graves in West Roxbury, Massachusetts #general

stephen field
 

My mame is Stephen Field. My E mail address is:
stemarfie@...
The following are names of relatives I am looking for. Other relatives are
buried in West Roxbury, Massachusetts at the Adath Jeshurun Cemetery on
Grove Street. They must be somewhere in the vicinity of the other members
of the family. Their relatives are buried down on the left on the second
aisle, in toward the middle of the cemetery. I was told that they are
buried down further in the same section or maybe to the right. They have
been gone a long time so their stones may be somewhat unreadable.

Their names, birth dates, death dates are as follows.

Louis Pecker
Husband of Lena (Schneiderman)Pecker
Born August 18, 1882?
Died ? 1960

Harry Schneiderman
Husband of Rebecca Schneiderman
Born ?
Died ?

Rebecca Schneiderman
Wife of Harry Schneiderman
Born ?
Died ?

Reuben Stevelman
Husband of Anna (Chanci)(Schneiderman) Stevelman
Born June 1881
Died April 27, 1921

If you find the section where they are buried please let me know what
section #, lot #, grave # of each of them. It has been difficult for me
to go there and find them after having two operations.
I hope you find them, and thank you.
Stephen Field
stemarfie@...


Re: Deported or Fled to Bukhara? #galicia

Joseph Hirschfield
 

One family I know found itself in Tashkent, Uzbekistan under the following
circumstances. They were Polish Jews who fled eastward into Russia before
WW II began. The Russians were very suspicious of these refugees, suspecting
German spies; therefore, almost everyone was deported to Siberia. After the
Germans attacked Russia, some Jewish refuges in Siberia, themselves included,
were sent to Uzbekistan and the younger males were expected to fight against
the Germans.

Joseph Hirschfield
Portage, MI USA
HIRSCHFELD, LINDBAUM, FISCHER, TOPPERMAN


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia re: Deported or Fled to Bukhara? #galicia

Joseph Hirschfield
 

One family I know found itself in Tashkent, Uzbekistan under the following
circumstances. They were Polish Jews who fled eastward into Russia before
WW II began. The Russians were very suspicious of these refugees, suspecting
German spies; therefore, almost everyone was deported to Siberia. After the
Germans attacked Russia, some Jewish refuges in Siberia, themselves included,
were sent to Uzbekistan and the younger males were expected to fight against
the Germans.

Joseph Hirschfield
Portage, MI USA
HIRSCHFELD, LINDBAUM, FISCHER, TOPPERMAN


Re: Conscripted at age 5? #belarus

rena shankman
 

My father and his brother immigrated >from Joneskelis, Lith. to NYand t to
Louisville, Ky in 1909 at the ages of 8 and 10 altho Ellis Records show
ages 6 for both. I have no hard data but believe ages given had something
to do with threats of military conscription. My grandfa, who served in the
army, had immigrated in 1906 to avoid being recalled into the army. I also
found Ellis Island DB listed a 12yo son Smuel Weiner whom I never heard of
but now find stories that my grandmother was also accompanied by an orphan
who was trained to use Weiner name and call her Mother. I have no idea who
this was nor where he was going. So when in doubt I assume data is no better
than the source, the transcriber and sometimes circumstances.
Rena Weiner Shankman
Memphis, Tn. USA
Reserching: WEINER/VAINER,WISE >from Joneskelis/Vashki in Lith.
PERSKY/ PERSON/BUNOMOVITCH/LEIBMAN >from Volozhin,
IvyeinBelarus;SHANKMAN/SHEINKMAN/PEARLMAN/PERELMAN/ADLER/CHAITMAN >from Mozyr
and area, Belarus.

----- Original Message -----
From: <MJGerver@...>
To: "Belarus SIG" <belarus@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:49 AM
Subject: [belarus] Conscripted at age 5?


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Howard Schwerdlin asks:

I was reviewing the 1850 Vilnius (ALD) Revision list and found a possible
ancestor, but I don't understand the listing.
The date is 10 December 1850, and lists Abram Sverdlin son of Honon as
Conscripted (reason left), but it also shows 2 years old for age last
revision with 1847 listed as the year. I know that this means he was born
1845 (between 2 censuses in 1847), but could a 5 year old be conscripted?
There is a story that my great-grandmother Shayndel Kuritz Woronoff (born
1856) had a brother who was conscripted when he was 7, and never heard
from again. This was in Ukraine, but I don't see why the same thing
couldn't have happened to Jews elsewhere in the Russian Empire.

It's also possible there was a mistake in the records. Maybe he was 12 in
1847, instead of 2, or maybe it's a 9 which looks like a 2. Being drafted
at age 12 or 15 was not unusual at all.

If he WAS really conscripted when he was 5, I very much doubt if he would
have survived to be your ancestor, or remembered he was Jewish if he did
survive. Maybe he was a cousin of your ancestor with the same name? Though
there were rare cases when cantonists did survive and keep their Jewish
identity.

Mike Gerver
Raanana, Israel


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Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Conscripted at age 5? #belarus

rena shankman
 

My father and his brother immigrated >from Joneskelis, Lith. to NYand t to
Louisville, Ky in 1909 at the ages of 8 and 10 altho Ellis Records show
ages 6 for both. I have no hard data but believe ages given had something
to do with threats of military conscription. My grandfa, who served in the
army, had immigrated in 1906 to avoid being recalled into the army. I also
found Ellis Island DB listed a 12yo son Smuel Weiner whom I never heard of
but now find stories that my grandmother was also accompanied by an orphan
who was trained to use Weiner name and call her Mother. I have no idea who
this was nor where he was going. So when in doubt I assume data is no better
than the source, the transcriber and sometimes circumstances.
Rena Weiner Shankman
Memphis, Tn. USA
Reserching: WEINER/VAINER,WISE >from Joneskelis/Vashki in Lith.
PERSKY/ PERSON/BUNOMOVITCH/LEIBMAN >from Volozhin,
IvyeinBelarus;SHANKMAN/SHEINKMAN/PEARLMAN/PERELMAN/ADLER/CHAITMAN >from Mozyr
and area, Belarus.

----- Original Message -----
From: <MJGerver@...>
To: "Belarus SIG" <belarus@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:49 AM
Subject: [belarus] Conscripted at age 5?


Support the work of the Belarus SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html
*******************************************************
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Howard Schwerdlin asks:

I was reviewing the 1850 Vilnius (ALD) Revision list and found a possible
ancestor, but I don't understand the listing.
The date is 10 December 1850, and lists Abram Sverdlin son of Honon as
Conscripted (reason left), but it also shows 2 years old for age last
revision with 1847 listed as the year. I know that this means he was born
1845 (between 2 censuses in 1847), but could a 5 year old be conscripted?
There is a story that my great-grandmother Shayndel Kuritz Woronoff (born
1856) had a brother who was conscripted when he was 7, and never heard
from again. This was in Ukraine, but I don't see why the same thing
couldn't have happened to Jews elsewhere in the Russian Empire.

It's also possible there was a mistake in the records. Maybe he was 12 in
1847, instead of 2, or maybe it's a 9 which looks like a 2. Being drafted
at age 12 or 15 was not unusual at all.

If he WAS really conscripted when he was 5, I very much doubt if he would
have survived to be your ancestor, or remembered he was Jewish if he did
survive. Maybe he was a cousin of your ancestor with the same name? Though
there were rare cases when cantonists did survive and keep their Jewish
identity.

Mike Gerver
Raanana, Israel


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