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Re: immigrating to America #general

Peregrine Maitland <273589roots@...>
 

These are all very interesting questions and many in this group have
wondered about that part of the emigrant experience. For answers to some of
these questions and to get an idea of what it was like for many, I would
recommend a book by Irving Howe called "The World of Our Fathers", Shocken
Books, 1989.

It's a wonderful social and cultural history of 19th and early 20th century
East European Jewish immigration to the United States---a well written, good
read for those of us fascinated by the lives of our immigrant ancestors.

For the questions posed here, see chapters 1) Origins and 2) Departure and
Arrival

Peregrine Maitland
273589roots@...
To reply, delete all numeric characters
from the return address given.
"Marilyn F" <mrl516@...> wrote
I have often wondered about the whole process of immigrating to America
during the hugh wave of immigration up until 1913 >from the Ukraine and
Moldova.

l.. Did they feel safe sharing the fact that they were leaving with friends?

2. Where did they buy the tickets to leave or get the necessary paperwork?

3. Once someone decided to leave, what squence of events might occur?

4. How was the port of departure decided? Who directed them in the process
of immigration?

5. Did ships have "reputations' so that people knew which ship to take or
did they take whatever was available?.

6. Typically, how long was the trip >from the shtetl to the port? Were there
inns along the way? If not, where did they eat and sleep?

7. What sort of identification or papers were required to leave?

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: immigrating to America #general

Peregrine Maitland <273589roots@...>
 

These are all very interesting questions and many in this group have
wondered about that part of the emigrant experience. For answers to some of
these questions and to get an idea of what it was like for many, I would
recommend a book by Irving Howe called "The World of Our Fathers", Shocken
Books, 1989.

It's a wonderful social and cultural history of 19th and early 20th century
East European Jewish immigration to the United States---a well written, good
read for those of us fascinated by the lives of our immigrant ancestors.

For the questions posed here, see chapters 1) Origins and 2) Departure and
Arrival

Peregrine Maitland
273589roots@...
To reply, delete all numeric characters
from the return address given.
"Marilyn F" <mrl516@...> wrote
I have often wondered about the whole process of immigrating to America
during the hugh wave of immigration up until 1913 >from the Ukraine and
Moldova.

l.. Did they feel safe sharing the fact that they were leaving with friends?

2. Where did they buy the tickets to leave or get the necessary paperwork?

3. Once someone decided to leave, what squence of events might occur?

4. How was the port of departure decided? Who directed them in the process
of immigration?

5. Did ships have "reputations' so that people knew which ship to take or
did they take whatever was available?.

6. Typically, how long was the trip >from the shtetl to the port? Were there
inns along the way? If not, where did they eat and sleep?

7. What sort of identification or papers were required to leave?

Ginsburg & Klausner in S Fallsburg Sullivan County New York ?? #general

Susan Goldsmith
 

Dear Jewish Gen,
Does anyone know what sort of establishment Ginsburg & Klausner was in S Fallsburg
Sullivan County, New York in the early 1900s? I have been unsuccessful in
finding my grandmother Rachel-Leia (Lena) DRASNAN(sp?) HOROWITZ, who emigrated in
1905 to NY >from the Dolginovo/Vileika area, then in Vilnius Gubernia, now in
Belarus. She had been a baker in Dolginovo. She came as a widow and would have
had to work. In 1907 she wrote a letter with the return address: c/o Ginsburg &
Klausner, P.O. Box 107 S. Fallsburg Station, NY. She died before 1915, not in NYC,
but I have been unable to find any more details.
Thank you,
Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area

HOROWITZ (GUREWICZ), DRASNAN Dolginovo, Vileika Belarus
TOBIAS, ROZHANSKY, FOGEL , RUSAK Novyy Sverzhen, Stolbtsy, Mir, Baranovichi,
Yasevichi Belarus GOLDSHMIDT, SHOLOMOVICH (SHLOMOVICH, SHLIOMOVICH), GITTES,
(GA(U)DES, GADIE, GADYE,GIDUT, GDUD), F(P)ILVINSKY,DRUSHKOVICH, NEKRITZ,
ZHIZSMORSKI, ZUKHOVSKI,ROCHELSON Seta, Kaunas,Jonava, Vandziogala, Kedainiai,
Ukmerge, Viliampole, Adutiskis,Trepai, Krakes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes Lithuania

MODERATOR NOTE: Surname list truncated at 6 lines

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ginsburg & Klausner in S Fallsburg Sullivan County New York ?? #general

Susan Goldsmith
 

Dear Jewish Gen,
Does anyone know what sort of establishment Ginsburg & Klausner was in S Fallsburg
Sullivan County, New York in the early 1900s? I have been unsuccessful in
finding my grandmother Rachel-Leia (Lena) DRASNAN(sp?) HOROWITZ, who emigrated in
1905 to NY >from the Dolginovo/Vileika area, then in Vilnius Gubernia, now in
Belarus. She had been a baker in Dolginovo. She came as a widow and would have
had to work. In 1907 she wrote a letter with the return address: c/o Ginsburg &
Klausner, P.O. Box 107 S. Fallsburg Station, NY. She died before 1915, not in NYC,
but I have been unable to find any more details.
Thank you,
Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area

HOROWITZ (GUREWICZ), DRASNAN Dolginovo, Vileika Belarus
TOBIAS, ROZHANSKY, FOGEL , RUSAK Novyy Sverzhen, Stolbtsy, Mir, Baranovichi,
Yasevichi Belarus GOLDSHMIDT, SHOLOMOVICH (SHLOMOVICH, SHLIOMOVICH), GITTES,
(GA(U)DES, GADIE, GADYE,GIDUT, GDUD), F(P)ILVINSKY,DRUSHKOVICH, NEKRITZ,
ZHIZSMORSKI, ZUKHOVSKI,ROCHELSON Seta, Kaunas,Jonava, Vandziogala, Kedainiai,
Ukmerge, Viliampole, Adutiskis,Trepai, Krakes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes Lithuania

MODERATOR NOTE: Surname list truncated at 6 lines

RE hymoff/ #france

Jean-Louis Helbronner <jlhelbro@...>
 

1. Re: HYMOFF/HIMOFF
You can also find quite a few people in Paris bearing the name IMHOF and
IMHOFF, or even HAIMOFF. You can find them at
http://wfc.pagesjaunes.fr/pb.cgi (I did not look further)
Jean-Louis Helbronner, Paris, France
treasurer GenAmi
jl.helbro@...
http://www.genami.org

French SIG #France RE hymoff/ #france

Jean-Louis Helbronner <jlhelbro@...>
 

1. Re: HYMOFF/HIMOFF
You can also find quite a few people in Paris bearing the name IMHOF and
IMHOFF, or even HAIMOFF. You can find them at
http://wfc.pagesjaunes.fr/pb.cgi (I did not look further)
Jean-Louis Helbronner, Paris, France
treasurer GenAmi
jl.helbro@...
http://www.genami.org

Regional Archives Of Boskovice #austria-czech

Charlie Roberts <charlie.roberts@...>
 

Robert Hanscom enquired about other sources for the Jewish records of
Boskovice. Like him I have faced similar problems because the primary
records for the years 1849-1924 are missing ie Matrikeln/Registers for
Birth, Marriage and Death.

In our case we have built up several AUFRICHTIG family trees originating in
Boskovice but because of the missing registers have great difficulty in
linking them. My brother and I are convinced that one day we will be able to
link them together.

In the absence of the primary records we have relied on a number of
secondary sources and have tabulated these records on our family website
www.aufrichtigs.com created by my brother Ronny. We were however extremely
fortunate in having the services of a suberb researcher at a reasonable
cost. I wrote to him in English and he replied in German.

For any one interested in these secondary sources, go to the above website,
then click on 'Other Aufrichtigs' and then on Boskovice Registers and
Records'. Besides the Registers/Matrikeln you will find other sources. It
should be pointed out that it required 'painstaking' time consuming work
going through the secondary handwritten sources.

With regard to the secondary sources my brother and I would welcome
assistance comments/correction on our translations of titles as follows:

Die Rekrutverzeichnisse Boskovice 1870-1901 - The Army recruitment lists
relating to Boskovice 1870-1901.

Einzahllungsstabelle der Judensteuer fur den Jahr 1847,1844,1841 - Receipts
tables of the Jewish Tax for the years etc'

Hauserverzeichnis in der Judenstadt Boskovice - House tables of the Jewish
Town (Ghetto) of Boskovice'

Die Steuer von Familiaten, IKG Boskovice - 'The ?? tax of the Jewish
Community of Boskovice.

Tabellarprotokol uber Hauserbesitzer und Zinzen Boskovice - Boskovice record
tables of house owners and interest??

Volkszahlungen - National Censuses

Charlie Roberts ne Aufrichtig (London,England)

Researching AUFRICHTIG Boskovice, Bohemia, Moravia, Slovakia, Vienna,
Austria, Europe, Worldwide
WODAK Brumovice, HUSSERL/HAUSLER Boskovice, HUBER Damborice, SCHULER
Brumovice, LOKSCHAN Boskovice

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Regional Archives Of Boskovice #austria-czech

Charlie Roberts <charlie.roberts@...>
 

Robert Hanscom enquired about other sources for the Jewish records of
Boskovice. Like him I have faced similar problems because the primary
records for the years 1849-1924 are missing ie Matrikeln/Registers for
Birth, Marriage and Death.

In our case we have built up several AUFRICHTIG family trees originating in
Boskovice but because of the missing registers have great difficulty in
linking them. My brother and I are convinced that one day we will be able to
link them together.

In the absence of the primary records we have relied on a number of
secondary sources and have tabulated these records on our family website
www.aufrichtigs.com created by my brother Ronny. We were however extremely
fortunate in having the services of a suberb researcher at a reasonable
cost. I wrote to him in English and he replied in German.

For any one interested in these secondary sources, go to the above website,
then click on 'Other Aufrichtigs' and then on Boskovice Registers and
Records'. Besides the Registers/Matrikeln you will find other sources. It
should be pointed out that it required 'painstaking' time consuming work
going through the secondary handwritten sources.

With regard to the secondary sources my brother and I would welcome
assistance comments/correction on our translations of titles as follows:

Die Rekrutverzeichnisse Boskovice 1870-1901 - The Army recruitment lists
relating to Boskovice 1870-1901.

Einzahllungsstabelle der Judensteuer fur den Jahr 1847,1844,1841 - Receipts
tables of the Jewish Tax for the years etc'

Hauserverzeichnis in der Judenstadt Boskovice - House tables of the Jewish
Town (Ghetto) of Boskovice'

Die Steuer von Familiaten, IKG Boskovice - 'The ?? tax of the Jewish
Community of Boskovice.

Tabellarprotokol uber Hauserbesitzer und Zinzen Boskovice - Boskovice record
tables of house owners and interest??

Volkszahlungen - National Censuses

Charlie Roberts ne Aufrichtig (London,England)

Researching AUFRICHTIG Boskovice, Bohemia, Moravia, Slovakia, Vienna,
Austria, Europe, Worldwide
WODAK Brumovice, HUSSERL/HAUSLER Boskovice, HUBER Damborice, SCHULER
Brumovice, LOKSCHAN Boskovice

Help requested in Santiago Chile #latinamerica

wadiuwant
 

I am seeking help as to whether a specific distant relative is still
alive, or whether he has descendants.

His partial address is (>from 1991):
Casilla
Santiago de Chile
Chile Nunova.

If anybody in Chile is willing to assist, perhaps because you live
close by to that address, please reply privately to my email address
for more details.

Regards
Richard Dahl
Rehovot, Israel

Latin America #LatinAmerica Help requested in Santiago Chile #latinamerica

wadiuwant
 

I am seeking help as to whether a specific distant relative is still
alive, or whether he has descendants.

His partial address is (>from 1991):
Casilla
Santiago de Chile
Chile Nunova.

If anybody in Chile is willing to assist, perhaps because you live
close by to that address, please reply privately to my email address
for more details.

Regards
Richard Dahl
Rehovot, Israel

archives #latinamerica

Vangheluwe Daniel <vangheluwe.smietan@...>
 

hello,

I am new in this SIG, searching about SMIETAN and KLAINER in Buenos Aires. Is it
archives available of this discussion group?

Daniel VANGHELUWE
France

MODERATOR NOTE: Welcome Daniel! To search our archived messages go to
www.jewishgen.org/databases and in the General category click on the fourth
listing which is for SIG archives. You can use the drop down box to search
for the LatamSig archives. Also be certain to add these surnames and their
connection to Argentina to the JGFF.

Latin America #LatinAmerica archives #latinamerica

Vangheluwe Daniel <vangheluwe.smietan@...>
 

hello,

I am new in this SIG, searching about SMIETAN and KLAINER in Buenos Aires. Is it
archives available of this discussion group?

Daniel VANGHELUWE
France

MODERATOR NOTE: Welcome Daniel! To search our archived messages go to
www.jewishgen.org/databases and in the General category click on the fourth
listing which is for SIG archives. You can use the drop down box to search
for the LatamSig archives. Also be certain to add these surnames and their
connection to Argentina to the JGFF.

LOS ANGELES SEPHARDIC ARCHIVES #latinamerica

bob rubin <bob_rubin@...>
 

Check out the website for archives >from the Sephardic Temples in Los
Angeles. I obtained lots of useful information. For example, read the
article on Esther COHEN A Century of Life (parents: Isaac CODRON and Sarota
HANAN). They have a Search tool.

http://www.sephardictemple.org/archives.shtml

Bob RUBIN MAYO
bob_rubin@...

Latin America #LatinAmerica LOS ANGELES SEPHARDIC ARCHIVES #latinamerica

bob rubin <bob_rubin@...>
 

Check out the website for archives >from the Sephardic Temples in Los
Angeles. I obtained lots of useful information. For example, read the
article on Esther COHEN A Century of Life (parents: Isaac CODRON and Sarota
HANAN). They have a Search tool.

http://www.sephardictemple.org/archives.shtml

Bob RUBIN MAYO
bob_rubin@...

Re: Genealogy and Mixed Marriage #general

Thorby Walker <tkw@...>
 

Beryl Baleson's message posted on 1/2/2005 and the follow-up responses have
been interesting to me for personal reasons and hence my first post to this
board.

I am a 'christian' genealogist researching my Jewish ancestors (which is why
I joined Jewishgen). I am a by-product of an inter-marriage. My
gg-grandfather Nathan Sunderland married my gg-grandmother (a staunch
Baptist) in Australia 1893. >from my research to date, Nathan appears to be
the only family member of his family who inter-married.

To put forth another perspective to the main theme - 'should inter-marriages
should be included in a families tree' - I suppose I could have left the
'Jewish' arm out of the tree and pretended they did not exist out of
'respect", but to do that would be denying my families history and origins
which is rightfully ours to know. It would also be denying my
gg-grandfathers existence and the beautiful qualities (which he inherited
from his parents) which he passed down to his family.
One interesting aspect >from the posted messages is the mention of family
'out-casting' the family member who intermarried. This is not something I
had considered as part of my research journey, and as such I thank you all
for making me aware that this action probably occurred to Nathan. I can
only hope that when I finally make contact with my Jewish relatives that
they in turn do not 'reject' us. In the event that they do, I can now
understand the reasoning and therefore will not take it personally.


Ms Thorby Walker
Sydney, Australia

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Genealogy and Mixed Marriage #general

Thorby Walker <tkw@...>
 

Beryl Baleson's message posted on 1/2/2005 and the follow-up responses have
been interesting to me for personal reasons and hence my first post to this
board.

I am a 'christian' genealogist researching my Jewish ancestors (which is why
I joined Jewishgen). I am a by-product of an inter-marriage. My
gg-grandfather Nathan Sunderland married my gg-grandmother (a staunch
Baptist) in Australia 1893. >from my research to date, Nathan appears to be
the only family member of his family who inter-married.

To put forth another perspective to the main theme - 'should inter-marriages
should be included in a families tree' - I suppose I could have left the
'Jewish' arm out of the tree and pretended they did not exist out of
'respect", but to do that would be denying my families history and origins
which is rightfully ours to know. It would also be denying my
gg-grandfathers existence and the beautiful qualities (which he inherited
from his parents) which he passed down to his family.
One interesting aspect >from the posted messages is the mention of family
'out-casting' the family member who intermarried. This is not something I
had considered as part of my research journey, and as such I thank you all
for making me aware that this action probably occurred to Nathan. I can
only hope that when I finally make contact with my Jewish relatives that
they in turn do not 'reject' us. In the event that they do, I can now
understand the reasoning and therefore will not take it personally.


Ms Thorby Walker
Sydney, Australia

Re: "I wish you long life"-- and washing fingertips #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/5/2005 12:45:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, MBernet writes:
Someone suggested recently that this greeting, apparently unique to the
British Empire, stems >from tthe acronym of a greeting "le'orech yamim tovim" added
to the salutation of personal letters, that had been introduced to England
during WW 2 by Orthodox refugees >from Germany.

I doubt this. I first learned the greeting in my synagogue in England in
1938. The regular worshippers, and those more familiar with Hebrew would say
"Chayim aruchim," the others translated it as "I wish you a long life." It was so
unfamiliar among German Jews that my father's good friend Josef, Orthodox and
German, once turned to my father and said in puzzlement: "I don't understand
this greeting. Mayim achronim ("the final water") is what you dip your fingers
in before you say the benedictions after the meal."

Michael Bernet, New York

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "I wish you long life"-- and washing fingertips #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/5/2005 12:45:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, MBernet writes:
Someone suggested recently that this greeting, apparently unique to the
British Empire, stems >from tthe acronym of a greeting "le'orech yamim tovim" added
to the salutation of personal letters, that had been introduced to England
during WW 2 by Orthodox refugees >from Germany.

I doubt this. I first learned the greeting in my synagogue in England in
1938. The regular worshippers, and those more familiar with Hebrew would say
"Chayim aruchim," the others translated it as "I wish you a long life." It was so
unfamiliar among German Jews that my father's good friend Josef, Orthodox and
German, once turned to my father and said in puzzlement: "I don't understand
this greeting. Mayim achronim ("the final water") is what you dip your fingers
in before you say the benedictions after the meal."

Michael Bernet, New York

Soldier in the Boer War - Any lists? #southafrica

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Can anyone tell me if there is a list of solciers who served on the
British side in the Boer War.

I would like to verify a fascinating story about a young man >from Latvia
who came to Johannesburg, got a job in a store and when the Boer War broke
out, he was conscripted by the British, and he became a foot soldier and
saw some action and was wounded. When he was released >from service, he was
made a British citizen for fighting in the war. He then left South Africa
and settled in London around 1902/1903.

Any ideas where to look for documents or lists?

Thanking you in advance

-------------------------------------------------------
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
mailto:elsebeth@...
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Soldier in the Boer War - Any lists? #southafrica

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Can anyone tell me if there is a list of solciers who served on the
British side in the Boer War.

I would like to verify a fascinating story about a young man >from Latvia
who came to Johannesburg, got a job in a store and when the Boer War broke
out, he was conscripted by the British, and he became a foot soldier and
saw some action and was wounded. When he was released >from service, he was
made a British citizen for fighting in the war. He then left South Africa
and settled in London around 1902/1903.

Any ideas where to look for documents or lists?

Thanking you in advance

-------------------------------------------------------
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
mailto:elsebeth@...
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