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Re: Trieste, Austria #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Dora Donis-Kestler asked: Where may I find vital {Jewish} records for
Trieste, Austria circa 1860? ... could someone tell me what ports, other than
Fiume, were available in that area in the mid 1800s?

======================================================

Dora, this is the address I have for the Jewish Community in Trieste who
should be able to help you:

The Secretary
Jewish Community
via S.Francesco, 19
34133 Trieste, ITALY

You could also try:

Carlo and Vera Wagner
Museum of the Jewish Community
via del Monte, 5/7
Trieste, Italy
Tel: as given on http://tinyurl.com/c6sac

040/633819 (Museum) 371466 (Jewish Community). Trieste sounds very tempting!

As for ports >from which the Austrian navy operated, I recommend this article,
which lists the following: Venice, Trieste, Pola/Pula, Rijeka/Fiume and Cottaro.

http://www.eurocollections.com/cointalk/austria_navy.php

Pola {now Pula in Croatia} was the principal port of the Austrian navy.
On 31st October 1918, the red-white-red flag was hauled down for the last
time on an Austrian warship. The once proud Imperial Navy ceased to exist.
It was the end of an era.

The Emperor Franz Joseph always wore military uniform, even when inspecting
the fleet. He explained to his nephew, Franz Ferdinand: I am not capable
of directing even my grandson's boat on the pond in front of our Summer villa,
and then I should dress myself up as an admiral?

And returning to my family history; when I was three weeks old, I took my
first trip on the Princess Olga - Lloyd Triestino Line >from Trieste to
Alexandria, Egypt, together with my best childhood friend, born one day
before me in Budapest! My journey >from Vienna to Trieste in September 1937
must have been by train. I have even found the Princess Olga on the www with a
photo. A great ship:

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/RMSP2.html
[MODERATOR NOTE: One must click on 'Ebro' to see the photo]

I must go back to Trieste. Thank you, Dora, why have I never thought of
this before?

Celia Male [UK]
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Trieste, Austria #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Dora Donis-Kestler asked: Where may I find vital {Jewish} records for
Trieste, Austria circa 1860? ... could someone tell me what ports, other than
Fiume, were available in that area in the mid 1800s?

======================================================

Dora, this is the address I have for the Jewish Community in Trieste who
should be able to help you:

The Secretary
Jewish Community
via S.Francesco, 19
34133 Trieste, ITALY

You could also try:

Carlo and Vera Wagner
Museum of the Jewish Community
via del Monte, 5/7
Trieste, Italy
Tel: as given on http://tinyurl.com/c6sac

040/633819 (Museum) 371466 (Jewish Community). Trieste sounds very tempting!

As for ports >from which the Austrian navy operated, I recommend this article,
which lists the following: Venice, Trieste, Pola/Pula, Rijeka/Fiume and Cottaro.

http://www.eurocollections.com/cointalk/austria_navy.php

Pola {now Pula in Croatia} was the principal port of the Austrian navy.
On 31st October 1918, the red-white-red flag was hauled down for the last
time on an Austrian warship. The once proud Imperial Navy ceased to exist.
It was the end of an era.

The Emperor Franz Joseph always wore military uniform, even when inspecting
the fleet. He explained to his nephew, Franz Ferdinand: I am not capable
of directing even my grandson's boat on the pond in front of our Summer villa,
and then I should dress myself up as an admiral?

And returning to my family history; when I was three weeks old, I took my
first trip on the Princess Olga - Lloyd Triestino Line >from Trieste to
Alexandria, Egypt, together with my best childhood friend, born one day
before me in Budapest! My journey >from Vienna to Trieste in September 1937
must have been by train. I have even found the Princess Olga on the www with a
photo. A great ship:

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/RMSP2.html
[MODERATOR NOTE: One must click on 'Ebro' to see the photo]

I must go back to Trieste. Thank you, Dora, why have I never thought of
this before?

Celia Male [UK]
Double Grave? #germany

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

My cousin and I were recently at Har Sinai Cemetery in Baltimore, MD to
visit the graves of my husband's NEWHAN / NEUHAN / NEUHAHN family. The grave
next to his ggm Matilda NEUHAN was that of her son Isaac NEWHAN. Nearby was the
grave of another son Samuel. At first glance we were unable to find the grave
of the husband and father Abraham NEWHAN. Then we began cleaning off Isaac's
grave and discovered there was a crack in Isaac's marker and the top part of
the stone was completely covered with dirt and grass. What we found was on
that part of the marker indicated the grave was in memory of Abraham (the
father) and Isaac (the son) who died three months apart in 1890.

My question is this: How customary would a double grave have been? Is that
at all unusual?

Best Regards, Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272) Corona, California

KAHN/KOHN/COHN/CAHN, FRIEDSAM (Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD)
German SIG #Germany Double Grave? #germany

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

My cousin and I were recently at Har Sinai Cemetery in Baltimore, MD to
visit the graves of my husband's NEWHAN / NEUHAN / NEUHAHN family. The grave
next to his ggm Matilda NEUHAN was that of her son Isaac NEWHAN. Nearby was the
grave of another son Samuel. At first glance we were unable to find the grave
of the husband and father Abraham NEWHAN. Then we began cleaning off Isaac's
grave and discovered there was a crack in Isaac's marker and the top part of
the stone was completely covered with dirt and grass. What we found was on
that part of the marker indicated the grave was in memory of Abraham (the
father) and Isaac (the son) who died three months apart in 1890.

My question is this: How customary would a double grave have been? Is that
at all unusual?

Best Regards, Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272) Corona, California

KAHN/KOHN/COHN/CAHN, FRIEDSAM (Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD)
researching LISSNER family in Rogasen (Pommern?) #germany

Viola Lissner <violalis@...>
 

Saturday, June 11, 2005

Hello to everybody. I am going to use the sample "intro" letter to make writing
easier for me.

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 2 weeks.
I consider myself to be a novice in doing German Jewish Genealogy research,
or any research in this field. I live in ( Solymar, Uruguay ( South America).
My native language is Spanish and I also know German and English.
I consider myself intermediate in using a computer. My experience in using
the Internet is limited.

I have identified the names of my grandparents.

My primary research goals now are to find out, if possible when they were
born and when they died, both were dead before 1935.

The family names and towns that I am researching are:

Jacob LISSNER (my grandfather) Frieda GEHR (my grandmother) both lived in
Rogasen, Germany, that went over to Poland after war II. Rogasen is between
Posen and Bromberg. Now they have polish names that are: Rogasen "Rogozno";
Posen "Poznan" and Bromberg "Bydgoszcz". My grandparents had 4 children all
borned in Rogasen: Siegfried who immigrated to England (London), Berta who
went to Brasil (Sao Paulo), Trude who first went to China (Shanghai) and
later to Israel, and Emil, my father who went to Uruguay. Thank you very much.

Viola Lissner; Solymar , Uruguay violalis@...
German SIG #Germany researching LISSNER family in Rogasen (Pommern?) #germany

Viola Lissner <violalis@...>
 

Saturday, June 11, 2005

Hello to everybody. I am going to use the sample "intro" letter to make writing
easier for me.

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 2 weeks.
I consider myself to be a novice in doing German Jewish Genealogy research,
or any research in this field. I live in ( Solymar, Uruguay ( South America).
My native language is Spanish and I also know German and English.
I consider myself intermediate in using a computer. My experience in using
the Internet is limited.

I have identified the names of my grandparents.

My primary research goals now are to find out, if possible when they were
born and when they died, both were dead before 1935.

The family names and towns that I am researching are:

Jacob LISSNER (my grandfather) Frieda GEHR (my grandmother) both lived in
Rogasen, Germany, that went over to Poland after war II. Rogasen is between
Posen and Bromberg. Now they have polish names that are: Rogasen "Rogozno";
Posen "Poznan" and Bromberg "Bydgoszcz". My grandparents had 4 children all
borned in Rogasen: Siegfried who immigrated to England (London), Berta who
went to Brasil (Sao Paulo), Trude who first went to China (Shanghai) and
later to Israel, and Emil, my father who went to Uruguay. Thank you very much.

Viola Lissner; Solymar , Uruguay violalis@...
GERBER, Hyman #belarus

Carole and Jim Early <carjim@...>
 

I know that Hyman GERBER arrived in NYC in 1885, was there 2 years than went
to Providence, RI. and was there until his death in the '30s. All of his
census records say that he was >from Russia. How can I learn where his
birthplace was?

Carole Gerber Early
Washington, DC
Belarus SIG #Belarus GERBER, Hyman #belarus

Carole and Jim Early <carjim@...>
 

I know that Hyman GERBER arrived in NYC in 1885, was there 2 years than went
to Providence, RI. and was there until his death in the '30s. All of his
census records say that he was >from Russia. How can I learn where his
birthplace was?

Carole Gerber Early
Washington, DC
Researching in Prostejov/Prossnitz #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

For those who are researching their ancestors in Prostejov (Prossnitz),
Moravia you could be interested in seeing the reply below that I received
from the Czech State Archives to a recent enquiry I made regarding the birth
record of my maternal grandfather Julius BRAUN born there in 1872.

Quote
further to your request, please be informed: The registers of Jewish
community of Prostejov are not preserved for the years 1829-1873. The most
of original volumes were destroyed by nacists during the WW II. Due to this
reason we are not able to convey you data you are looking for.
We recommend you to send your request to the district archives in Prostejov
(Statni okresni archiv Prostejov, Trebízského 1-3, 796 40 Prostejov), where
could be deposited the Residents Registration Cards, police records and the
list of census - documents - in which the information about family Braun
also could be preserved.
Unquote

If anyone has already followed that path in their research, I would be
interested to learn of their experience.

The information that I already have of Julius >from the record of his marriage
to Mathilde LOEWE in Vienna in 1899 is that his parents were Eduard BRAUN
and Leni WEISS. I have also seen Julius and Mathilde's details on the
on-line Vienna cemetery database.
(Incidentally, does anyone know the origins of the Vienna department store
Eduard Braun & Co. ?)

regards

David Laufer
Sydney, Australia
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Researching in Prostejov/Prossnitz #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

For those who are researching their ancestors in Prostejov (Prossnitz),
Moravia you could be interested in seeing the reply below that I received
from the Czech State Archives to a recent enquiry I made regarding the birth
record of my maternal grandfather Julius BRAUN born there in 1872.

Quote
further to your request, please be informed: The registers of Jewish
community of Prostejov are not preserved for the years 1829-1873. The most
of original volumes were destroyed by nacists during the WW II. Due to this
reason we are not able to convey you data you are looking for.
We recommend you to send your request to the district archives in Prostejov
(Statni okresni archiv Prostejov, Trebízského 1-3, 796 40 Prostejov), where
could be deposited the Residents Registration Cards, police records and the
list of census - documents - in which the information about family Braun
also could be preserved.
Unquote

If anyone has already followed that path in their research, I would be
interested to learn of their experience.

The information that I already have of Julius >from the record of his marriage
to Mathilde LOEWE in Vienna in 1899 is that his parents were Eduard BRAUN
and Leni WEISS. I have also seen Julius and Mathilde's details on the
on-line Vienna cemetery database.
(Incidentally, does anyone know the origins of the Vienna department store
Eduard Braun & Co. ?)

regards

David Laufer
Sydney, Australia
Jewish Wrestlers in Austria #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

As SIG members might realise, my tastes lie more in the chamber music field,
but when Australian SIG member Doug Mason asked me to find out about his
maternal uncle's wrestling ["Ringen" in German] cup, won in Vienna on
13 Oct. 1935, I went straight into the Google ring and came out with a most
surprising finding!

Obviously, this might be old hat to many of our muscular male SIGGERS, but
to me it was news.

Fred OBERLANDER was born in Vienna on 23 May 1911 and died in 1996. We can
read about him on: http://www.jewishsports.net/BioPages/FredOberlander.htm


As a wrestler, between 1930 and 1950, he won two Austrian Junior titles,
five French Heavyweight Championships, seven British Heavyweight Championships
.... OBERLANDER was nominated to represent Austria at the 1936 Olympic Games
in Berlin, but "for obvious reasons, being Jewish" he refused. At the 1935
World Championships, OBERLANDER was registered as "stateless". His first
opponent was the German champion, Kurt Siebert. The German coach objected to
the Hakoah [of Vienna] emblem on OBERLANDER's wrestling outfit as it was
deemed to be a political insignia. OBERLANDER responded by claiming, rightly,
that it was his club's emblem. Finally, the referee judged that the Swastika
on Siebert's jersey was also a political insignia. So the match began — and
finished with OBERLANDER the winner.

Three Cheers - Hip Hip Hurrah.

A complete floor at the Pierre Gildesgame (Maccabi) Sport Museum {Ramat Gan,
Israel} is named after OBERLANDER.

And to go back in time: we can read about mediaeval Jewish wrestlers in Austria:

http://www.jewishsports.com/jewsin/history/oldhistory.htm

In the 16th century, there was a famous Austrian converted Jew called OTT
whose performance was so spectacular at the Augsburg Games that he was invited
to the court of the Austrian prince to train the courtiers. He wrote a book
on Ottish wrestling - a clear distinction is made between wrestling and
fencing.

So Doug Mason's uncle, Alois JELLINEK, is in very distinguished company and
I am sure must have known the famous OBERLANDER. He may even have been his
sparring partner - if that is the correct term.

It is these links which make our genealogy group so exciting. And this will
lead me straight onto Alfred OBERLANDER - a Wagnerian tenor >from Nachod, N.
Bohemia, when I have come out of the wrestling ring.

Whether there is an genealogical link between the Wrestler and the Wagnerian
has yet to be proved.

Celia Male [UK]
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Jewish Wrestlers in Austria #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

As SIG members might realise, my tastes lie more in the chamber music field,
but when Australian SIG member Doug Mason asked me to find out about his
maternal uncle's wrestling ["Ringen" in German] cup, won in Vienna on
13 Oct. 1935, I went straight into the Google ring and came out with a most
surprising finding!

Obviously, this might be old hat to many of our muscular male SIGGERS, but
to me it was news.

Fred OBERLANDER was born in Vienna on 23 May 1911 and died in 1996. We can
read about him on: http://www.jewishsports.net/BioPages/FredOberlander.htm


As a wrestler, between 1930 and 1950, he won two Austrian Junior titles,
five French Heavyweight Championships, seven British Heavyweight Championships
.... OBERLANDER was nominated to represent Austria at the 1936 Olympic Games
in Berlin, but "for obvious reasons, being Jewish" he refused. At the 1935
World Championships, OBERLANDER was registered as "stateless". His first
opponent was the German champion, Kurt Siebert. The German coach objected to
the Hakoah [of Vienna] emblem on OBERLANDER's wrestling outfit as it was
deemed to be a political insignia. OBERLANDER responded by claiming, rightly,
that it was his club's emblem. Finally, the referee judged that the Swastika
on Siebert's jersey was also a political insignia. So the match began — and
finished with OBERLANDER the winner.

Three Cheers - Hip Hip Hurrah.

A complete floor at the Pierre Gildesgame (Maccabi) Sport Museum {Ramat Gan,
Israel} is named after OBERLANDER.

And to go back in time: we can read about mediaeval Jewish wrestlers in Austria:

http://www.jewishsports.com/jewsin/history/oldhistory.htm

In the 16th century, there was a famous Austrian converted Jew called OTT
whose performance was so spectacular at the Augsburg Games that he was invited
to the court of the Austrian prince to train the courtiers. He wrote a book
on Ottish wrestling - a clear distinction is made between wrestling and
fencing.

So Doug Mason's uncle, Alois JELLINEK, is in very distinguished company and
I am sure must have known the famous OBERLANDER. He may even have been his
sparring partner - if that is the correct term.

It is these links which make our genealogy group so exciting. And this will
lead me straight onto Alfred OBERLANDER - a Wagnerian tenor >from Nachod, N.
Bohemia, when I have come out of the wrestling ring.

Whether there is an genealogical link between the Wrestler and the Wagnerian
has yet to be proved.

Celia Male [UK]
Re: Double Grave? #germany

Flagg <rf@...>
 

As recently as 1997, in Miami, we interred my mother's ashes together with
my grandmother's in a single grave within a family plot. (Other family
members now wish to do the same when the time comes.) I was surprised and
very pleased that cemetery was accommodating. Later I learned that in Key
West, Florida, where my grandmother and her children were born, it was not
unusual to bury several family members in one plot, usually one atop the
other. I don't know whether this was practiced in the KW Jewish community,
but it certainly was in the non-Jewish community. It's interesting to learn
that this practice occurred among Jews earlier and elsewhere.

Regards,

Alberta Freidus-Flagg
Honolulu, Hawaii

(Researching FREIDUS (Zagare, Riga, NYC, Johannesburg);
LEVIT/LEVITT/LEAVITT (Koknese Courland, NYC); BAS/BASS (Courland); SACHS
(Zagare); LEIBOVIT (Botosani, Key West, Miami, Palm Beach, Florida);
WEINSTEIN (Odessa, Key West); APOTHEKER (Iasi, Key West).
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Double Grave? #general

Flagg <rf@...>
 

As recently as 1997, in Miami, we interred my mother's ashes together with
my grandmother's in a single grave within a family plot. (Other family
members now wish to do the same when the time comes.) I was surprised and
very pleased that cemetery was accommodating. Later I learned that in Key
West, Florida, where my grandmother and her children were born, it was not
unusual to bury several family members in one plot, usually one atop the
other. I don't know whether this was practiced in the KW Jewish community,
but it certainly was in the non-Jewish community. It's interesting to learn
that this practice occurred among Jews earlier and elsewhere.

Regards,

Alberta Freidus-Flagg
Honolulu, Hawaii

(Researching FREIDUS (Zagare, Riga, NYC, Johannesburg);
LEVIT/LEVITT/LEAVITT (Koknese Courland, NYC); BAS/BASS (Courland); SACHS
(Zagare); LEIBOVIT (Botosani, Key West, Miami, Palm Beach, Florida);
WEINSTEIN (Odessa, Key West); APOTHEKER (Iasi, Key West).
Re: Sending mail to Russia & Latvia #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Bridget Wynne" wrote
Hello:

I found the names and addresses of people who submitted Pages of Testimony
to Yad VaShem about Shoah victims who may be related to me. I want to try
to
contact those who submitted testimony, and before I mail the letters I
would like to ask for some advice.

First, here are questions about the addresses I found. I've left off the
names and house or apartment numbers for privacy:

One person is listed as being on Vitbesky Prozed in St. Petersburg. Does
this street name make sense?
Vitebskiy Proyezd (engl. passage)

Another is listed as being in the town of Ilzivek in the Odessa Region. I
can't find this town listed anywhere. My best guess is that it might be
Illichevsk. Any ideas?
Town name is Illichivsk (modern Ukrainian name), just south of Odessa,
probably old name as Ilichevsk or Iliczevsk was iused in the testimony

Another person is on Zerchenaya St. in Balashikha, Moscow Oblast. Does
anyone know if this street name is spelled correctly?
I believe it is Zarechnaya Street (means: "over the river", a very popular
street name in Russian towns divided by the rivers). Town Balashikha, west
from Moscow is indeed divided by river Pechorka, contributory to the oscow
River.

The last person is on Balbao St. in Riga. I can't find this street on
interactive maps of Riga on the web, whether I spell it Balbao or Balboa.
Any ideas?
Best would be to send an email message to the Patricia Ltd. tourist office
in Riga at:

info@...

They are fluent in English and you will probably get an answer soon


Second,in case any of these people is no longer at the address listed,
does
anyone know what I should write on the envelopes to ask that they be
forwarded?
You mean to be forwarded to the new address of the person who signed the
testimony?
In ex USSR people usually didn't move often due to the chronic lack of
accomodation.
You probabaly aware about the massive ex USSR immigration to Israel.

Any other suggestions?
Good luck with your search.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Sending mail to Russia & Latvia #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Bridget Wynne" wrote
Hello:

I found the names and addresses of people who submitted Pages of Testimony
to Yad VaShem about Shoah victims who may be related to me. I want to try
to
contact those who submitted testimony, and before I mail the letters I
would like to ask for some advice.

First, here are questions about the addresses I found. I've left off the
names and house or apartment numbers for privacy:

One person is listed as being on Vitbesky Prozed in St. Petersburg. Does
this street name make sense?
Vitebskiy Proyezd (engl. passage)

Another is listed as being in the town of Ilzivek in the Odessa Region. I
can't find this town listed anywhere. My best guess is that it might be
Illichevsk. Any ideas?
Town name is Illichivsk (modern Ukrainian name), just south of Odessa,
probably old name as Ilichevsk or Iliczevsk was iused in the testimony

Another person is on Zerchenaya St. in Balashikha, Moscow Oblast. Does
anyone know if this street name is spelled correctly?
I believe it is Zarechnaya Street (means: "over the river", a very popular
street name in Russian towns divided by the rivers). Town Balashikha, west
from Moscow is indeed divided by river Pechorka, contributory to the oscow
River.

The last person is on Balbao St. in Riga. I can't find this street on
interactive maps of Riga on the web, whether I spell it Balbao or Balboa.
Any ideas?
Best would be to send an email message to the Patricia Ltd. tourist office
in Riga at:

info@...

They are fluent in English and you will probably get an answer soon


Second,in case any of these people is no longer at the address listed,
does
anyone know what I should write on the envelopes to ask that they be
forwarded?
You mean to be forwarded to the new address of the person who signed the
testimony?
In ex USSR people usually didn't move often due to the chronic lack of
accomodation.
You probabaly aware about the massive ex USSR immigration to Israel.

Any other suggestions?
Good luck with your search.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab.
Re: Boguslavsky #ukraine

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

The surname BOGUSLAVSKY indicates that at some point The families referred
to in the digest may have lived in Boguslav, Ukraine, is 63 miles SSE of
Kiev at 49 33' N & 30 53' E., in Kiev gubernia (county), Kanev uezd
(district). Jews had been living there since at least the 1600s. There are
several websites one can google. My WOLINSKY and BELKIN families came >from
that place.

Best, Steve Orlen
Re: Boguslavsky #ukraine

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

I forgot to mention that people >from Boguslav were often called "Boslovers".

Best, Steve Orlen
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Boguslavsky #ukraine

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

The surname BOGUSLAVSKY indicates that at some point The families referred
to in the digest may have lived in Boguslav, Ukraine, is 63 miles SSE of
Kiev at 49 33' N & 30 53' E., in Kiev gubernia (county), Kanev uezd
(district). Jews had been living there since at least the 1600s. There are
several websites one can google. My WOLINSKY and BELKIN families came >from
that place.

Best, Steve Orlen
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Boguslavsky #ukraine

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

I forgot to mention that people >from Boguslav were often called "Boslovers".

Best, Steve Orlen
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