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Two brothers listed as one person #latvia

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

Harold Rhode wrote:

In records >from northern Lithuania and southern Latvia for both my
paternal two brothers are listed as one person. I don't know why although
I assume that it may have something to do with trying to avoid the Russian
draft. I am curious to know how common this practice was. Has anyone else
come across such records?
In a 1866 additional revision list for Papile, Siauliai district (Popelyany,
Shavli uyezd) my great great grandfather Iosel Leybovich Katsev is listed
together with his brother, Ber Leybovich Katsev, as one person, Iosel Ber
Leybovich Katsev. The person living in Papile in 1866 was Ber Katsev and
it's his wife Mire and two daughters Gene Dveyre and Taube that are listed
as family on the list. My great great grandfather Iosel had probably
(illegally?) moved northwards to todays Estonia (Tallinn or Parnu).

Also Ber had lived further to the north in Cesis, Latvia (Wenden, Lifland
guberniya) in the 1840's and 50's but was probably forced to move back to
Lithuania. To make it possible for his brother to stay in Estonia Ber
probably covered up for him by listing the two of them as one person. Also
Ber's oldest son Iosel Bereliovich Katsev covered up for his younger
brother, Ariye Bereliovich Katsev (who lived in Cesis) in the 1869
additional revision list for Papile by listing himself as Iosel Ariye
Bereliovich Katsev.

So, I definitely think this was a common practice!

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@...

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow,
Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.


Latvia SIG #Latvia Two brothers listed as one person #latvia

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

Harold Rhode wrote:

In records >from northern Lithuania and southern Latvia for both my
paternal two brothers are listed as one person. I don't know why although
I assume that it may have something to do with trying to avoid the Russian
draft. I am curious to know how common this practice was. Has anyone else
come across such records?
In a 1866 additional revision list for Papile, Siauliai district (Popelyany,
Shavli uyezd) my great great grandfather Iosel Leybovich Katsev is listed
together with his brother, Ber Leybovich Katsev, as one person, Iosel Ber
Leybovich Katsev. The person living in Papile in 1866 was Ber Katsev and
it's his wife Mire and two daughters Gene Dveyre and Taube that are listed
as family on the list. My great great grandfather Iosel had probably
(illegally?) moved northwards to todays Estonia (Tallinn or Parnu).

Also Ber had lived further to the north in Cesis, Latvia (Wenden, Lifland
guberniya) in the 1840's and 50's but was probably forced to move back to
Lithuania. To make it possible for his brother to stay in Estonia Ber
probably covered up for him by listing the two of them as one person. Also
Ber's oldest son Iosel Bereliovich Katsev covered up for his younger
brother, Ariye Bereliovich Katsev (who lived in Cesis) in the 1869
additional revision list for Papile by listing himself as Iosel Ariye
Bereliovich Katsev.

So, I definitely think this was a common practice!

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@...

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow,
Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.


Turov #belarus

JHRG of Belarus <belshtetl@...>
 

Dear All,

On June, 26 the members of Jewish Heritage Research
Group in Belarus is going to the town of Turov to
research objects of Jewish heritage in this town. If
someone is interested in the history of Jews of this
town, please, contact us. Our address is
belshtetl@....

Yuri Dorn
Coordinator of Jewish Heritage Research Group in
Belarus


Belarus SIG #Belarus Turov #belarus

JHRG of Belarus <belshtetl@...>
 

Dear All,

On June, 26 the members of Jewish Heritage Research
Group in Belarus is going to the town of Turov to
research objects of Jewish heritage in this town. If
someone is interested in the history of Jews of this
town, please, contact us. Our address is
belshtetl@....

Yuri Dorn
Coordinator of Jewish Heritage Research Group in
Belarus


DIAMOND and FASS and KARP #general

Victor Shaines <vaesny@...>
 

I am looking for relatives of DIAMONDs and FASS's and KARP's
as shown by the family trees below.
There is a cross marriage of Fass's and Diamond's.
My wife is the granddaughter of Regina Faber, nee Fass.
Does anyone know these names?
Please advise personally to vaesny@....
Thank you.
Vic Shaines See below.....

Descendants of Original Diamond
1 Original Diamond
2 Sarah Diamond b: Abt. 1868 in Austria
.... +Wolf Meyer Fass
... 3 Regina Fass b: Abt. June 10, 1890 in Austria, d: April 06, 1946
....... +Harry Faber b: June 16, 1889 in Galicia
... 3 Mary Fass b: Abt. 1891 in Austria, Come to US in 1905? or 1907? d:
....... +Isadore Schatzkamer b: April 04, 1888
... 3 Gertie Fass b: May 22, 1897
....... +Solomon Fruchthandler b: October 25, 1895
2 Sam Diamond
2 Minnie Diamond b: Abt. 1860 in Austria,
.... +Philip Karp
... 3 Sam Karp b: Abt. 1884 in Austria
... 3 Bella Karp b: Abt. 1890 in Austria
....... +David-James Fass b: Abt. 1885 in Austria ,Mother: Rosie Salzman
... 3 Rebeca/Rose Karp b: February 25, 1900 in NY

Descendants of Original Fass

1 Original Fass
2 Wolf Meyer Fass
.... +Sarah Diamond b: Abt. 1868 in Austria
... 3 Regina Fass b: Abt. June 10, 1890 in Austria,
....... +Harry Faber b: June 16, 1889 in Galicia
... 3 Mary Fass b: Abt. 1891 in Austria
....... +Isadore Schatzkamer b: April 04, 1888
... 3 Gertie Fass b: May 22, 1897
....... +Solomon Fruchthandler b: October 25, 1895
2 Isaac Fass b:
... 3 David-James Fass b: Abt. 1885 in Austria
....... +Bella Karp b: Abt. 1890 in Austria m: June 22, 1910 in NYC
...... 4 Tina-Lina Fass b: Abt. 1912 in New Jersey
...... 4 Philip Fass b: Abt. 1913 in New Jersey
...... 4 Lillian Fass b: Abt. 1916 in New Jersey


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen DIAMOND and FASS and KARP #general

Victor Shaines <vaesny@...>
 

I am looking for relatives of DIAMONDs and FASS's and KARP's
as shown by the family trees below.
There is a cross marriage of Fass's and Diamond's.
My wife is the granddaughter of Regina Faber, nee Fass.
Does anyone know these names?
Please advise personally to vaesny@....
Thank you.
Vic Shaines See below.....

Descendants of Original Diamond
1 Original Diamond
2 Sarah Diamond b: Abt. 1868 in Austria
.... +Wolf Meyer Fass
... 3 Regina Fass b: Abt. June 10, 1890 in Austria, d: April 06, 1946
....... +Harry Faber b: June 16, 1889 in Galicia
... 3 Mary Fass b: Abt. 1891 in Austria, Come to US in 1905? or 1907? d:
....... +Isadore Schatzkamer b: April 04, 1888
... 3 Gertie Fass b: May 22, 1897
....... +Solomon Fruchthandler b: October 25, 1895
2 Sam Diamond
2 Minnie Diamond b: Abt. 1860 in Austria,
.... +Philip Karp
... 3 Sam Karp b: Abt. 1884 in Austria
... 3 Bella Karp b: Abt. 1890 in Austria
....... +David-James Fass b: Abt. 1885 in Austria ,Mother: Rosie Salzman
... 3 Rebeca/Rose Karp b: February 25, 1900 in NY

Descendants of Original Fass

1 Original Fass
2 Wolf Meyer Fass
.... +Sarah Diamond b: Abt. 1868 in Austria
... 3 Regina Fass b: Abt. June 10, 1890 in Austria,
....... +Harry Faber b: June 16, 1889 in Galicia
... 3 Mary Fass b: Abt. 1891 in Austria
....... +Isadore Schatzkamer b: April 04, 1888
... 3 Gertie Fass b: May 22, 1897
....... +Solomon Fruchthandler b: October 25, 1895
2 Isaac Fass b:
... 3 David-James Fass b: Abt. 1885 in Austria
....... +Bella Karp b: Abt. 1890 in Austria m: June 22, 1910 in NYC
...... 4 Tina-Lina Fass b: Abt. 1912 in New Jersey
...... 4 Philip Fass b: Abt. 1913 in New Jersey
...... 4 Lillian Fass b: Abt. 1916 in New Jersey


NYC Death Index Updated #general

ELIAS SAVADA
 

The Italian Genealogy Group has expanded their New York City Death
Index (http://www.italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm) through 1939 (previously
available through 1936). It's an invaluable resource (as it the IGG's
NYC Groom Index).

Elias Savada
Bethesda MD


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC Death Index Updated #general

ELIAS SAVADA
 

The Italian Genealogy Group has expanded their New York City Death
Index (http://www.italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm) through 1939 (previously
available through 1936). It's an invaluable resource (as it the IGG's
NYC Groom Index).

Elias Savada
Bethesda MD


search for relatives WERNER and ADLER #austria-czech

Keith Hatfield <hatfield.1@...>
 

I am searching for any information on my relatives. The only information
that I have to date is the following:
My Grandparents were:
Otto (born in Praha) and Ester WERNER (born ADLER in Lodz, Poland, circa
late 1800's, early 1900's.
They last address was: Praha
My Maternal Great Grandparents were: (Ester's parents)
Gerson, his wife Nach Natalia ADLER( born Lodz, Poland), circa 1870's.
Their other children were two daughters Anna and Ida ADLER (born in Lodz,
Poland). They also had a son, Mosek Sljama (Moritz?) ADLER (born in Lodz,
Poland). He lived in Slany near Kladno and then they all moved to Prague.
Otto's parent's names were; Max and Fanny WERNER, circa?
Does anyone out their have any connections or knowledge about these people?

Keith Hatfield
hatfield.1@...

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your own listings up to date.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech search for relatives WERNER and ADLER #austria-czech

Keith Hatfield <hatfield.1@...>
 

I am searching for any information on my relatives. The only information
that I have to date is the following:
My Grandparents were:
Otto (born in Praha) and Ester WERNER (born ADLER in Lodz, Poland, circa
late 1800's, early 1900's.
They last address was: Praha
My Maternal Great Grandparents were: (Ester's parents)
Gerson, his wife Nach Natalia ADLER( born Lodz, Poland), circa 1870's.
Their other children were two daughters Anna and Ida ADLER (born in Lodz,
Poland). They also had a son, Mosek Sljama (Moritz?) ADLER (born in Lodz,
Poland). He lived in Slany near Kladno and then they all moved to Prague.
Otto's parent's names were; Max and Fanny WERNER, circa?
Does anyone out their have any connections or knowledge about these people?

Keith Hatfield
hatfield.1@...

MODERATOR NOTE: One of JewishGen's most heavily visited sites is the JewishGen
Family Finder (JGFF) and family connections are being made more and more
frequently. If you have not already done so, please log onto
www.jewishgen.org/jgff and using the ENTER/MODIFY procedure enter and register
all the surnames of interest to your family research. As you learn about more
names and places of origin, they can always be added, but only **you** can keep
your own listings up to date.


Re: Naming a baby who dies at birth #general

Leslie Weinberg <artsoul@...>
 

YASO wrote:

Shalom

I would like to start a new thread.

Would like to know if any of you out there have heard of a
tradition by which of a baby who died at or a short time
after birth are given a
name.

My husband has a niece whose baby died *before* birth - estimated to have
died a few weeks before she went into labor. The baby was named and
buried.
Leslie Weinberg


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naming a baby who dies at birth #general

Leslie Weinberg <artsoul@...>
 

YASO wrote:

Shalom

I would like to start a new thread.

Would like to know if any of you out there have heard of a
tradition by which of a baby who died at or a short time
after birth are given a
name.

My husband has a niece whose baby died *before* birth - estimated to have
died a few weeks before she went into labor. The baby was named and
buried.
Leslie Weinberg


WAJSENBERG #general

mark
 

Dear all Why we are searching our families in America or Canada? Because
those who moved there before WW2 could take with him documents pictures and
those who stayed in Ukrain Russia Poland lost all the documents only stories
"survived" Our American brothers must not be afraid of there relatives >from
Eastern Europe or Israel We are not looking for fortune we are searching our
roots
Best wishes
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WAJSENBERG #general

mark
 

Dear all Why we are searching our families in America or Canada? Because
those who moved there before WW2 could take with him documents pictures and
those who stayed in Ukrain Russia Poland lost all the documents only stories
"survived" Our American brothers must not be afraid of there relatives >from
Eastern Europe or Israel We are not looking for fortune we are searching our
roots
Best wishes
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@...


JGS of Montreal - Summer schedule #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

Dear members and friends of the JGS of Montreal,

The summer is now upon us.
We wish everyone a happy, active and fulfilling summer!
~~
The next meeting of the JGS of Montreal will
take place on August 29, 2005 (Monday) at 7:30pm
in the Federation Building, Conference Room, 4th floor.

The next session of the Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshop,
will take place on Sunday, October 2, 2005,
from 10am to 12 noon, in the Jewish Public Library,
Greenberg Conference Room.

Everyone welcome!
--
For all information on our upcoming meetings &
Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshops:
JGS of Montreal Hotline - 24 hours a day - 514-484-0969
~~
Merle Kastner
JGS of Montreal, Programming
merlek@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Montreal - Summer schedule #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

Dear members and friends of the JGS of Montreal,

The summer is now upon us.
We wish everyone a happy, active and fulfilling summer!
~~
The next meeting of the JGS of Montreal will
take place on August 29, 2005 (Monday) at 7:30pm
in the Federation Building, Conference Room, 4th floor.

The next session of the Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshop,
will take place on Sunday, October 2, 2005,
from 10am to 12 noon, in the Jewish Public Library,
Greenberg Conference Room.

Everyone welcome!
--
For all information on our upcoming meetings &
Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshops:
JGS of Montreal Hotline - 24 hours a day - 514-484-0969
~~
Merle Kastner
JGS of Montreal, Programming
merlek@...


SCHAPIRO from Ekaterinoslav (and maybe Chernigov) #ukraine

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

I am researching the family of Meyer SCHAPIRO, born c1850 in Russia, who
reportedly owned or managed a tobacco plantation and was murdered in about
1887 as the result of a land or property dispute.

His son Samuel's 1904 U.S. arrival record and his daughter Miro's 1906
record both list Ekaterinoslav as their last residence. However an earlier
(1898) passenger manifest for Stiche SCHAPIRO, his older daughter, shows her
last residence as something resembling "Denoshlin," which the next page of
the manifest seems to indicate was in "Tschernigow" province.

I'd appreciate some input >from Ukraine mavens on these questions:

1) I could not find a town called Denoshlin in detailed old maps of
Chernigov guberrnia, in the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker, or in _Where Once We
Walked_. One town that comes close is Domashlin (Domaslyn). Any other
suggestions?

2) Domashlin is 45 miles northeast of the city of Chernigov. Based on the
small number of hits for it on the Web and in paper sources, I assume that
it was and is a small village. Any ideas on how I'd find out where its
Jewish vital records were filed? In particular, I'm wondering if its births
and deaths might have been recorded in one of the towns for which the Mormon
Family History Library has Jewish records -- Berezna, Chernigov, Dmitrovka,
Gorodnya, Konotop, Nezhin, Repki.

3) Has any one encountered examples of Jews involved in tobacco growing in
Ukraine? If so, where?

4) Meyer reportedly was murdered in a land dispute. Any ideas for following
up on this story (police records? newspapers?)?

Thanks for your help.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), NY
RSteinig@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine SCHAPIRO from Ekaterinoslav (and maybe Chernigov) #ukraine

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

I am researching the family of Meyer SCHAPIRO, born c1850 in Russia, who
reportedly owned or managed a tobacco plantation and was murdered in about
1887 as the result of a land or property dispute.

His son Samuel's 1904 U.S. arrival record and his daughter Miro's 1906
record both list Ekaterinoslav as their last residence. However an earlier
(1898) passenger manifest for Stiche SCHAPIRO, his older daughter, shows her
last residence as something resembling "Denoshlin," which the next page of
the manifest seems to indicate was in "Tschernigow" province.

I'd appreciate some input >from Ukraine mavens on these questions:

1) I could not find a town called Denoshlin in detailed old maps of
Chernigov guberrnia, in the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker, or in _Where Once We
Walked_. One town that comes close is Domashlin (Domaslyn). Any other
suggestions?

2) Domashlin is 45 miles northeast of the city of Chernigov. Based on the
small number of hits for it on the Web and in paper sources, I assume that
it was and is a small village. Any ideas on how I'd find out where its
Jewish vital records were filed? In particular, I'm wondering if its births
and deaths might have been recorded in one of the towns for which the Mormon
Family History Library has Jewish records -- Berezna, Chernigov, Dmitrovka,
Gorodnya, Konotop, Nezhin, Repki.

3) Has any one encountered examples of Jews involved in tobacco growing in
Ukraine? If so, where?

4) Meyer reportedly was murdered in a land dispute. Any ideas for following
up on this story (police records? newspapers?)?

Thanks for your help.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), NY
RSteinig@...


Contacting Odessa State Archives? #ukraine

Professor Michael Notis
 

Hello! I am new to the SIG and hope someone can help me. I have been
trying to contact the State Archives in Odessa with no luck. I have
tried two different e-mail addresses with no response ans tried two
different FAX numbers which dont seem to be operating. What IS the best
way to make contact?

Also, can someone recommend a professional service that would do
individual document searches? I have seen some advertised (out of
Odessa) but have no ability to judge their reliability.

Sincerely,

Michael Notis

MODERATOR'S NOTE: RESPOND PRIVATELY REGARDING ANY PROFESSIONAL SERVICE
OR RESEARCHER. THANK YOU.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Contacting Odessa State Archives? #ukraine

Professor Michael Notis
 

Hello! I am new to the SIG and hope someone can help me. I have been
trying to contact the State Archives in Odessa with no luck. I have
tried two different e-mail addresses with no response ans tried two
different FAX numbers which dont seem to be operating. What IS the best
way to make contact?

Also, can someone recommend a professional service that would do
individual document searches? I have seen some advertised (out of
Odessa) but have no ability to judge their reliability.

Sincerely,

Michael Notis

MODERATOR'S NOTE: RESPOND PRIVATELY REGARDING ANY PROFESSIONAL SERVICE
OR RESEARCHER. THANK YOU.