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Mezritcher Jews #dna

Alison Greengard
 

A new project has been added at FTDNA for those whose Jewish roots
are in the vicinity of Mezritch (Miedzryzec Podlaski) Poland. It
includes towns surrounding Mezritch. The project is a dual Y-DNA
mtDNA Geographical project called Mezritcher Jews. Please join if
this is of interest to you.

Alison Greengard
Lakewood, Colorado, USA

Researching TARGOWNIK >from Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland


DNA Research #DNA Mezritcher Jews #dna

Alison Greengard
 

A new project has been added at FTDNA for those whose Jewish roots
are in the vicinity of Mezritch (Miedzryzec Podlaski) Poland. It
includes towns surrounding Mezritch. The project is a dual Y-DNA
mtDNA Geographical project called Mezritcher Jews. Please join if
this is of interest to you.

Alison Greengard
Lakewood, Colorado, USA

Researching TARGOWNIK >from Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland


Re: FTDNA analysis question #dna

SVass <SVass@...>
 

Simply put, one-third of all direct paternal descendants >from a common
father will have zero mutations at 37 markers after seven generations.
Family Finder probably will not show a connection.
Sam Vass
Kent, WA, USA

On Dec 12, 2012, Alison Greengard wrote:

Can anyone explain why someone with a different surname, has an exact
Y-DNA 37 marker match with my husband, can trace his lineage via that
other surname back to the 1750's, yet doesn't show up in Family Finder?


DNA Research #DNA Re: FTDNA analysis question #dna

SVass <SVass@...>
 

Simply put, one-third of all direct paternal descendants >from a common
father will have zero mutations at 37 markers after seven generations.
Family Finder probably will not show a connection.
Sam Vass
Kent, WA, USA

On Dec 12, 2012, Alison Greengard wrote:

Can anyone explain why someone with a different surname, has an exact
Y-DNA 37 marker match with my husband, can trace his lineage via that
other surname back to the 1750's, yet doesn't show up in Family Finder?


YDNA match with no FF match #dna

sbloom@...
 

Alison-

Two men with totally different surnames can match on a y-dna test
(exactly or with mismatches) for a number of reasons.
The primary reason is that their families adopted different surnames
during the period in which it was most common to do so
in the East European nations. This would have been 1820's in Poland,
but it varied >from country to country, and some rabbinic families
and others used surnames much earlier. That is, say, in 1750, they
trace to the same ancestor, and we'll call him Abram. But say Abram
had two sons, David and Solomon. David goes on to take a surname that
derives >from his father's given name: he calls himself Abramowitz.
Let say that they are >from Warsaw. So, Solomon decided to take a
geographic surname and calls himself Warszawski, or something of that sort.
200 years later, nobody would realize that the Warszawskis and the
Abramowitz's relate via the male line. They might also match for other
reason: there was an informal adoption of a child at some point in the
past, there was a marital infidelity, etc. . But the most likely reason is
just that they adopted different surnames.

Now for why they might not show up in Family Finder. Family Finder is
an autosomal dna test, which in short, is a test that traces DNA that
you might inherit along ANY line that you have in common with some other
person. But, the chances that the test actually would show that two
particular men along some very specific line are cousins greatly
diminishes after a few generations (isn't very reliable for very distant
cousins). It certainly can show that (and has in a few cases I know of)
but can't reliably do so in every case, especially if the men are
something like 7th cousins or something, as you might expect if the
common ancestor was born in 1750. You may wish to upload the FF data
onto Gedmatch, and in that way, you could potentially look for somewhat
more

In other words, a "positive" on a Y-DNA test does not "demand" a
positive for Family Finder. It means it would be more likely,
particularly if they are relative close male line cousins, but by no
means would absences of a FF link make the YDNA results
suspect in any way.

>from what you say in closing, it sounds like this person with the
other surname was a known relative, and it was likely known at the time
how he related (that is, they knew he was a male line relative, even
though he had a different surname). I suppose there's a small chance that
there was something stranger, but that seems like an unlikely sort of
coincidence.

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia

The other Greengard descendant shows up as a potential 2nd to 4th
cousin of Tom in Family Finder. In the actual 37 marker charts, Tom
and this other Greengard differ on DYS464c, DYS464d and DYS CDYb.
This makes sense to me.

However, another individual with a completely different surname
shows up as an exact Y-DNA37 marker match. But he and Tom do not
show up as related in Family Finder. This individual can trace his
lineage via his different surname back to the 1750's. Interestingly,
this individual traces his lineage also back to Virbalis, and his
ancestors stayed with Greengards in NY when they first come to the
US.

Can anyone explain why someone with a different surname, has an exact
Y-DNA 37 marker match with my husband, can trace his lineage via that
other surname back to the 1750's, yet doesn't show up in Family
Finder? Clearly there is some tie to the Greengards since his
ancestors stayed with Greengards in NY upon emigrating.


DNA Research #DNA YDNA match with no FF match #dna

sbloom@...
 

Alison-

Two men with totally different surnames can match on a y-dna test
(exactly or with mismatches) for a number of reasons.
The primary reason is that their families adopted different surnames
during the period in which it was most common to do so
in the East European nations. This would have been 1820's in Poland,
but it varied >from country to country, and some rabbinic families
and others used surnames much earlier. That is, say, in 1750, they
trace to the same ancestor, and we'll call him Abram. But say Abram
had two sons, David and Solomon. David goes on to take a surname that
derives >from his father's given name: he calls himself Abramowitz.
Let say that they are >from Warsaw. So, Solomon decided to take a
geographic surname and calls himself Warszawski, or something of that sort.
200 years later, nobody would realize that the Warszawskis and the
Abramowitz's relate via the male line. They might also match for other
reason: there was an informal adoption of a child at some point in the
past, there was a marital infidelity, etc. . But the most likely reason is
just that they adopted different surnames.

Now for why they might not show up in Family Finder. Family Finder is
an autosomal dna test, which in short, is a test that traces DNA that
you might inherit along ANY line that you have in common with some other
person. But, the chances that the test actually would show that two
particular men along some very specific line are cousins greatly
diminishes after a few generations (isn't very reliable for very distant
cousins). It certainly can show that (and has in a few cases I know of)
but can't reliably do so in every case, especially if the men are
something like 7th cousins or something, as you might expect if the
common ancestor was born in 1750. You may wish to upload the FF data
onto Gedmatch, and in that way, you could potentially look for somewhat
more

In other words, a "positive" on a Y-DNA test does not "demand" a
positive for Family Finder. It means it would be more likely,
particularly if they are relative close male line cousins, but by no
means would absences of a FF link make the YDNA results
suspect in any way.

>from what you say in closing, it sounds like this person with the
other surname was a known relative, and it was likely known at the time
how he related (that is, they knew he was a male line relative, even
though he had a different surname). I suppose there's a small chance that
there was something stranger, but that seems like an unlikely sort of
coincidence.

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia

The other Greengard descendant shows up as a potential 2nd to 4th
cousin of Tom in Family Finder. In the actual 37 marker charts, Tom
and this other Greengard differ on DYS464c, DYS464d and DYS CDYb.
This makes sense to me.

However, another individual with a completely different surname
shows up as an exact Y-DNA37 marker match. But he and Tom do not
show up as related in Family Finder. This individual can trace his
lineage via his different surname back to the 1750's. Interestingly,
this individual traces his lineage also back to Virbalis, and his
ancestors stayed with Greengards in NY when they first come to the
US.

Can anyone explain why someone with a different surname, has an exact
Y-DNA 37 marker match with my husband, can trace his lineage via that
other surname back to the 1750's, yet doesn't show up in Family
Finder? Clearly there is some tie to the Greengards since his
ancestors stayed with Greengards in NY upon emigrating.


Re: FTDNA analysis question #dna

DonnDevine@...
 

The two most likely explanations:

1. Nineteenth-century adoption of different surnames by related families.

2. Rearing of a child of Greengard descent by a family with a different
surname, which the Greengard descended was known by.

The known common locality and family associations would tend to confirm
either explanation.

Donn Devine
Wilmington, Delaware, USA

From: Alison Greengard <aligreengard@...>
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:57:01 +0000 (UTC)

I am new to DNA anlysis and am hoping someone can solve a puzzle in
my husband's FTDNA results. My husband's last name is GREENGARD.
Over the years we have collected numerous Greengard trees (that all
point to an origin of Virbalis, Lithuania and also point to them
being one family) but have had a hard time connecting the trees.
Several of the Greengard descendants can go back to their 3rd
gr-grandfather , but with my husband Tom we can only go back to his
gr-grandfather. We've made some progress, but decided to have two
male Greengard surname descendants test their Y-DNA-37 markers at
FTDNA. One is my husband Tom and the other is another Greengard.

The results are as follows:

The other Greengard descendant shows up as a potential 2nd to 4th
cousin of Tom in Family Finder. In the actual 37 marker charts, Tom
and this other Greengard differ on DYS464c, DYS464d and DYS CDYb.
This makes sense to me.

However, another individual with a completely different surname
shows up as an exact Y-DNA37 marker match. But he and Tom do not
show up as related in Family Finder. This individual can trace his
lineage via his different surname back to the 1750's. Interestingly,
this individual traces his lineage also back to Virbalis, and his
ancestors stayed with Greengards in NY when they first come to the
US.

Can anyone explain why someone with a different surname, has an exact
Y-DNA 37 marker match with my husband, can trace his lineage via that
other surname back to the 1750's, yet doesn't show up in Family
Finder? Clearly there is some tie to the Greengards since his
ancestors stayed with Greengards in NY upon emigrating.


DNA Research #DNA Re: FTDNA analysis question #dna

DonnDevine@...
 

The two most likely explanations:

1. Nineteenth-century adoption of different surnames by related families.

2. Rearing of a child of Greengard descent by a family with a different
surname, which the Greengard descended was known by.

The known common locality and family associations would tend to confirm
either explanation.

Donn Devine
Wilmington, Delaware, USA

From: Alison Greengard <aligreengard@...>
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:57:01 +0000 (UTC)

I am new to DNA anlysis and am hoping someone can solve a puzzle in
my husband's FTDNA results. My husband's last name is GREENGARD.
Over the years we have collected numerous Greengard trees (that all
point to an origin of Virbalis, Lithuania and also point to them
being one family) but have had a hard time connecting the trees.
Several of the Greengard descendants can go back to their 3rd
gr-grandfather , but with my husband Tom we can only go back to his
gr-grandfather. We've made some progress, but decided to have two
male Greengard surname descendants test their Y-DNA-37 markers at
FTDNA. One is my husband Tom and the other is another Greengard.

The results are as follows:

The other Greengard descendant shows up as a potential 2nd to 4th
cousin of Tom in Family Finder. In the actual 37 marker charts, Tom
and this other Greengard differ on DYS464c, DYS464d and DYS CDYb.
This makes sense to me.

However, another individual with a completely different surname
shows up as an exact Y-DNA37 marker match. But he and Tom do not
show up as related in Family Finder. This individual can trace his
lineage via his different surname back to the 1750's. Interestingly,
this individual traces his lineage also back to Virbalis, and his
ancestors stayed with Greengards in NY when they first come to the
US.

Can anyone explain why someone with a different surname, has an exact
Y-DNA 37 marker match with my husband, can trace his lineage via that
other surname back to the 1750's, yet doesn't show up in Family
Finder? Clearly there is some tie to the Greengards since his
ancestors stayed with Greengards in NY upon emigrating.


Jadow, Poland Yizkor Book Translation Project #yizkorbooks

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

In March I announced the new project to translate Sefer Jadow, the yizkor
book of Jadow, Poland. That message appears at the end of this message for
informational purposes.

Unfortunately, no contributions to the established JewishGenerosity fund
have been made since then. Jadow was not a large town and there are only 20
people listed in the JGFF.

Thanks to Lance Ackerfeld and his team, the English article >from Sefer Jadow
is being typed and the first part is now available for reading at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/jadow/jade007.html

If you have an interest in Jadow or any of the shtetlach in that area (see
below), please consider a contribution to help us translate the book. The
Yizkor Book project can only be successful with your interest and support.

Thank you,
Eden Joachim
Coordinator, Sefer Jadow

Those of you listed in the JGFF for Jadow have already been notified of the
project to translate Sefer Jadow, the Yizkor book of Jadow, Poland.
I wanted to let you know that the Necrology >from the book has been posted to
the website. Thanks go to Lance Ackerfeld for his assistance and general
leadership as Coordinator of the Yizkor Book project.
You may view the Necrology at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/jadow/jadow.html.

In addition to the list of martyrs >from Jadow, the lists for nearby
shtetlach are also included for Ostrowek, Baczki, Jasiorowka and Lopianka.
Contributions toward the translation of the book may be made by going to
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=23
.

Jadow is 31 miles ENE of Warsaw, 12 miles SE of Wyszkow, 17 miles WNW of
Wegrow and 20 miles N of Minsk Mazowiecki.
Jadow was not a large town in general, but the 1500 Jews living there in 1921
were 75% of the town's population.

Thanks for your support and interest in this worthy project.

Eden Joachim
Coordinator
esjoachim@...


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Jadow, Poland Yizkor Book Translation Project #yizkorbooks

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

In March I announced the new project to translate Sefer Jadow, the yizkor
book of Jadow, Poland. That message appears at the end of this message for
informational purposes.

Unfortunately, no contributions to the established JewishGenerosity fund
have been made since then. Jadow was not a large town and there are only 20
people listed in the JGFF.

Thanks to Lance Ackerfeld and his team, the English article >from Sefer Jadow
is being typed and the first part is now available for reading at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/jadow/jade007.html

If you have an interest in Jadow or any of the shtetlach in that area (see
below), please consider a contribution to help us translate the book. The
Yizkor Book project can only be successful with your interest and support.

Thank you,
Eden Joachim
Coordinator, Sefer Jadow

Those of you listed in the JGFF for Jadow have already been notified of the
project to translate Sefer Jadow, the Yizkor book of Jadow, Poland.
I wanted to let you know that the Necrology >from the book has been posted to
the website. Thanks go to Lance Ackerfeld for his assistance and general
leadership as Coordinator of the Yizkor Book project.
You may view the Necrology at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/jadow/jadow.html.

In addition to the list of martyrs >from Jadow, the lists for nearby
shtetlach are also included for Ostrowek, Baczki, Jasiorowka and Lopianka.
Contributions toward the translation of the book may be made by going to
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=23
.

Jadow is 31 miles ENE of Warsaw, 12 miles SE of Wyszkow, 17 miles WNW of
Wegrow and 20 miles N of Minsk Mazowiecki.
Jadow was not a large town in general, but the 1500 Jews living there in 1921
were 75% of the town's population.

Thanks for your support and interest in this worthy project.

Eden Joachim
Coordinator
esjoachim@...


Chisinau Street Names #bessarabia

Marilyn Robinson
 

There is a Russian language site of Chisinau street names, in table format, which includes: the
Modern Name, the USSR Name, Rumanian Name (1918-1940), Old Names (Tsarist Russia and USSR),
and Other names.

An example is the following (using the above categories):
"31 August 1989">"Kiev Street">Chievului> "Regele Ferdinand I">"Kiev Street"> "Avenue Nicholas II"
The information is available, in Russian, at: http://oldchisinau.com/streets/liststreets.htm or
http://tinyurl.com/b8kuwox

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Chisinau Street Names #bessarabia

Marilyn Robinson
 

There is a Russian language site of Chisinau street names, in table format, which includes: the
Modern Name, the USSR Name, Rumanian Name (1918-1940), Old Names (Tsarist Russia and USSR),
and Other names.

An example is the following (using the above categories):
"31 August 1989">"Kiev Street">Chievului> "Regele Ferdinand I">"Kiev Street"> "Avenue Nicholas II"
The information is available, in Russian, at: http://oldchisinau.com/streets/liststreets.htm or
http://tinyurl.com/b8kuwox

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Re: Maps #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hi Shmuel, hi all Bessarabia researchers,

Maps are such an important subject that I decided to reply to the whole group too.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
I have seen the map on the Bessarabian SIG page and it just doesn't do it
for me. I am interested in a more detailed map of towns and villages around
Kishinev at the end of the 19th century. Does anyone know of where I can
find one?
-----------------------------------------------------------------
We, at Bessarabia SIG have a number of great maps, depending on the time you
are looking for (all following maps you can access >from Bessarabia SIG
website too):
- the 1821 General Map of Bessarabia, here is a link to it
http://www.wdl.org/en/item/664/ You can increase the map in a way that all
the shtetlakh >from Beltsy to Orgeev will fill the whole screen. The names
of the localities are in Russian and English.

- Set of Bessarabia Maps, WWII Aerial Topographical Maps covering many
Bessarabian towns and shteitlakh, covering many towns, but not all at
http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/bessarabianmaps/index.html.

- There is a set of six ethnic district maps for Bessarabia, but that set
was not put at Bessarabia SIG website, and it may not cover the whole
Bessarabia. We printed them on paper and all of them will be presented to
the group at the Boston conference. I am going to put all six maps at our
site. For now I uploaded one such map for the region of Kishinev (only to
the west), see it at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Bessarabia/files/maps/Kiszinyew_(ethnic).jpg the
color and the size of the circle tells you how many Jews and others lived in
towns.

Happy Chanukah!

Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia SIG Coordinator
Researching KOGAN, SPIVAK, KHAYMOVICH, SRULEVICH, LEVIT in Kaushany,
Bendery, Tarutino, Akkerman, Kiliya - all in Bessarabia, KHAIMOVICH in
Galatz, Romania.


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia RE: Maps #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hi Shmuel, hi all Bessarabia researchers,

Maps are such an important subject that I decided to reply to the whole group too.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
I have seen the map on the Bessarabian SIG page and it just doesn't do it
for me. I am interested in a more detailed map of towns and villages around
Kishinev at the end of the 19th century. Does anyone know of where I can
find one?
-----------------------------------------------------------------
We, at Bessarabia SIG have a number of great maps, depending on the time you
are looking for (all following maps you can access >from Bessarabia SIG
website too):
- the 1821 General Map of Bessarabia, here is a link to it
http://www.wdl.org/en/item/664/ You can increase the map in a way that all
the shtetlakh >from Beltsy to Orgeev will fill the whole screen. The names
of the localities are in Russian and English.

- Set of Bessarabia Maps, WWII Aerial Topographical Maps covering many
Bessarabian towns and shteitlakh, covering many towns, but not all at
http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/bessarabianmaps/index.html.

- There is a set of six ethnic district maps for Bessarabia, but that set
was not put at Bessarabia SIG website, and it may not cover the whole
Bessarabia. We printed them on paper and all of them will be presented to
the group at the Boston conference. I am going to put all six maps at our
site. For now I uploaded one such map for the region of Kishinev (only to
the west), see it at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Bessarabia/files/maps/Kiszinyew_(ethnic).jpg the
color and the size of the circle tells you how many Jews and others lived in
towns.

Happy Chanukah!

Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia SIG Coordinator
Researching KOGAN, SPIVAK, KHAYMOVICH, SRULEVICH, LEVIT in Kaushany,
Bendery, Tarutino, Akkerman, Kiliya - all in Bessarabia, KHAIMOVICH in
Galatz, Romania.


Re: IAJGS Boston 2013 - bessarabia digest: December 12, 2012 #bessarabia

Marla Raucher Osborn <osborn@...>
 

I hope to attend and present one if not two lectures related to Galicia.

I would also attend a meeting of this group if I can, and of course any lecture
given by Yefim Kogan!

All the best,

Marla Raucher Osborn
Paris, France
Member of the Board of Gesher Galicia

Researching BLECHER/BLEKHER >from Soroki, Bessarbia, later
changed to HELLER, Chicago, Illinois

---- Original Message -----
From: Bessarabia SIG digest <bessarabia@...>
To: bessarabia digest recipients <bessarabia@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:04 PM
Subject: bessarabia digest: December 12, 2012

Subject: 33rd International conference on Jewish Genealogy, Boston, August 4-9, 2013
From: "Yefim Kogan" <yefimk@...>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:23:55 -0500

Dear Bessarabers,
This is my second email to you about the Jewish Gen conference in August of
2013 

Today I want to know not only who is planning to present in Boston, but also who may come
to the conference.Bessarabia group is planning our participation and we need your input.....


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Re: IAJGS Boston 2013 - bessarabia digest: December 12, 2012 #bessarabia

Marla Raucher Osborn <osborn@...>
 

I hope to attend and present one if not two lectures related to Galicia.

I would also attend a meeting of this group if I can, and of course any lecture
given by Yefim Kogan!

All the best,

Marla Raucher Osborn
Paris, France
Member of the Board of Gesher Galicia

Researching BLECHER/BLEKHER >from Soroki, Bessarbia, later
changed to HELLER, Chicago, Illinois

---- Original Message -----
From: Bessarabia SIG digest <bessarabia@...>
To: bessarabia digest recipients <bessarabia@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:04 PM
Subject: bessarabia digest: December 12, 2012

Subject: 33rd International conference on Jewish Genealogy, Boston, August 4-9, 2013
From: "Yefim Kogan" <yefimk@...>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:23:55 -0500

Dear Bessarabers,
This is my second email to you about the Jewish Gen conference in August of
2013 

Today I want to know not only who is planning to present in Boston, but also who may come
to the conference.Bessarabia group is planning our participation and we need your input.....


Re: old maps #bessarabia

Harvey Kabaker
 

Sheet 46-47 of the *General Map of Central Europe*, scale 1:200,000,
edited 1887 ff.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kiszinyew_-_46-47.jpg

Also see 3rd Military Mapping Survey of Austria-Hungary
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:3rd_Military_Mapping_Survey_of_Austria-Hungary>
for details.

Good luck,
Harvey Kabaker

On 12/13/12 2:04 AM, Bessarabia SIG digest wrote:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Maps
From: "Shmuel fisher"<shmuel@...>
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:19:24 -0800

Hi All,

I have seen the map on the Bessarabian SIG page and it just doesn't do it
for me. I am interested in a more detailed map of towns and villages around
Kishinev at the end of the 19th century. Does anyone know of where I can
find one?

I got blown away last night when I found 33 relatives in the databases. This
was a portion of my family that was completely unaware. Thanks to the people
who put this info on the web.

Thanks for any help.
Shmuel Fisher
Fountain Valley, CA


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Re: old maps #bessarabia

Harvey Kabaker
 

Sheet 46-47 of the *General Map of Central Europe*, scale 1:200,000,
edited 1887 ff.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kiszinyew_-_46-47.jpg

Also see 3rd Military Mapping Survey of Austria-Hungary
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:3rd_Military_Mapping_Survey_of_Austria-Hungary>
for details.

Good luck,
Harvey Kabaker

On 12/13/12 2:04 AM, Bessarabia SIG digest wrote:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Maps
From: "Shmuel fisher"<shmuel@...>
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:19:24 -0800

Hi All,

I have seen the map on the Bessarabian SIG page and it just doesn't do it
for me. I am interested in a more detailed map of towns and villages around
Kishinev at the end of the 19th century. Does anyone know of where I can
find one?

I got blown away last night when I found 33 relatives in the databases. This
was a portion of my family that was completely unaware. Thanks to the people
who put this info on the web.

Thanks for any help.
Shmuel Fisher
Fountain Valley, CA


Old Maps #bessarabia

Marilyn Robinson
 

In response to Shmuel Fisher's request:

"I have seen the map on the Bessarabian SIG page and it just doesn't do
it for me. I am interested in a more detailed map of towns and villages
around Kishinev at the end of the 19th century. Does anyone know of where I can
find one?"

Old maps can be found on a Russian language site at:http:
//oldchisinau.com/streets/oldmaps.html or http://tinyurl.com/blf63en

The links on the page, "Old maps of Chisinau" (in Yellow) say: "Chisinau
plan beginning of XX Century", "Chisinau 1919", Chisinau plan late
1930-early 1940", "Chisinau plan 1943", "Chisinau plan 1982", "Other
plans and maps of Chisinau".

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Old Maps #bessarabia

Marilyn Robinson
 

In response to Shmuel Fisher's request:

"I have seen the map on the Bessarabian SIG page and it just doesn't do
it for me. I am interested in a more detailed map of towns and villages
around Kishinev at the end of the 19th century. Does anyone know of where I can
find one?"

Old maps can be found on a Russian language site at:http:
//oldchisinau.com/streets/oldmaps.html or http://tinyurl.com/blf63en

The links on the page, "Old maps of Chisinau" (in Yellow) say: "Chisinau
plan beginning of XX Century", "Chisinau 1919", Chisinau plan late
1930-early 1940", "Chisinau plan 1943", "Chisinau plan 1982", "Other
plans and maps of Chisinau".

Marilyn Robinson
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