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Mandatory Citizenship #general

Israel P
 

On 18 July, I posted the following three paragraphs:

"I just received a phone call >from the Israel National Archives advising
me that due to new privacy regulations, they can no longer permit the
public to order (to see or copy) Mandatory Citizenship files that are
less than seventy years old, unless the Ministry of Internal Affairs give
permission. (And why should they??!)

The full regulations on the matter have not been published, so for the
time being we are in limbo. They said I should inquire further in two
weeks.

Since the files that were not destroyed by the withdrawing Mandatory
Government do not begin until 1933, this new policy may wipe out this
entire database as a useful resource, though the microfilm index has not
yet been declared off-limits."

Today they told me that they are now implementing this policy, unless
the inquirer is the child or spouse of the person concerned. They
advise further that an extract can be obtained through the Ministry of
Internal affairs (Citizenship Department). I have had no success
thusfar in determining exactly how to do that and will report back when
I do so.

These files do not contain very much gen information, but I have found
them to be useful on occasion and am sorry to lose the resource - if
that is indeed the case.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mandatory Citizenship #general

Israel P
 

On 18 July, I posted the following three paragraphs:

"I just received a phone call >from the Israel National Archives advising
me that due to new privacy regulations, they can no longer permit the
public to order (to see or copy) Mandatory Citizenship files that are
less than seventy years old, unless the Ministry of Internal Affairs give
permission. (And why should they??!)

The full regulations on the matter have not been published, so for the
time being we are in limbo. They said I should inquire further in two
weeks.

Since the files that were not destroyed by the withdrawing Mandatory
Government do not begin until 1933, this new policy may wipe out this
entire database as a useful resource, though the microfilm index has not
yet been declared off-limits."

Today they told me that they are now implementing this policy, unless
the inquirer is the child or spouse of the person concerned. They
advise further that an extract can be obtained through the Ministry of
Internal affairs (Citizenship Department). I have had no success
thusfar in determining exactly how to do that and will report back when
I do so.

These files do not contain very much gen information, but I have found
them to be useful on occasion and am sorry to lose the resource - if
that is indeed the case.

Israel Pickholtz


Not everyone was buried in New York #general

Barbara Zimmer <bravo.zulu@...>
 

There was a recent inquiry about the whereabouts of the Neir
Tolumbashow Burial Society and where the Mt Judah Cemetery might be.
The response indicated that the burial society in question was in the
NYC vicinity but implied that this was an "obvious" answer -- as if
our ancestors lived only in the NYC area!!

Folks, please --- there are and were Jews throughout the world for
whom we are searching. Please don't assume that all of our relatives
were buried in New York!

Barbara Zimmer
Norfolk VA

> I learned that a married couple whom I am researching were buried with
the Neir Tomlubashow Burial Society at Mt. Judah Cemetery. Can anyone
provide me with info about this society and/or the town to which it refers?
The society you are referring to is called Chevrah Neir Tomid Anshei
Lubashow and is for the town of Lyubeshevo, Belarus. It has plots at Mt.
Judah Cemetery in Ridgewood, Queens, NY, as well as two other cemeteries in
the New York metropolitan area.

You could have found this information yourself by doing a *keyword* search
for the word "Lubashow" in the JGSNY Cemetery Project Database at
http://www.jgsny.org/searchcity.htm .


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Not everyone was buried in New York #general

Barbara Zimmer <bravo.zulu@...>
 

There was a recent inquiry about the whereabouts of the Neir
Tolumbashow Burial Society and where the Mt Judah Cemetery might be.
The response indicated that the burial society in question was in the
NYC vicinity but implied that this was an "obvious" answer -- as if
our ancestors lived only in the NYC area!!

Folks, please --- there are and were Jews throughout the world for
whom we are searching. Please don't assume that all of our relatives
were buried in New York!

Barbara Zimmer
Norfolk VA

> I learned that a married couple whom I am researching were buried with
the Neir Tomlubashow Burial Society at Mt. Judah Cemetery. Can anyone
provide me with info about this society and/or the town to which it refers?
The society you are referring to is called Chevrah Neir Tomid Anshei
Lubashow and is for the town of Lyubeshevo, Belarus. It has plots at Mt.
Judah Cemetery in Ridgewood, Queens, NY, as well as two other cemeteries in
the New York metropolitan area.

You could have found this information yourself by doing a *keyword* search
for the word "Lubashow" in the JGSNY Cemetery Project Database at
http://www.jgsny.org/searchcity.htm .


1853 New York Arrivals #usa

Joe Isaacs <isaacsj@...>
 

I have been researching the family of Samuel ISAACS of Three Tun Alley,
Whitechapel, London and >from the Castle Garden site find that three of his
daughters, Sarah ISAACS 28, Anne ISAACS 25, and Catherine ISAACS 22
arrived in New York on June 25, 1853.

from U.K. Naturalization papers I found that Catherine married Pontiel
WOLLACH (later known as Pontiel FOLLICK) at the Synagogue in New York on
January 20, 1854. They later returned to England.

A search in Manhattan records by New York City Department of Records and
Information Services Municipal Archives for this marriage brought the reply
**not found**. What other Boroughs had Synagogues in 1854?

Any information as to what happened to Sarah and Anne?

Joe Isaacs, Netanya, Israel <isaacsj@netvision.net.il>


Early American SIG #USA 1853 New York Arrivals #usa

Joe Isaacs <isaacsj@...>
 

I have been researching the family of Samuel ISAACS of Three Tun Alley,
Whitechapel, London and >from the Castle Garden site find that three of his
daughters, Sarah ISAACS 28, Anne ISAACS 25, and Catherine ISAACS 22
arrived in New York on June 25, 1853.

from U.K. Naturalization papers I found that Catherine married Pontiel
WOLLACH (later known as Pontiel FOLLICK) at the Synagogue in New York on
January 20, 1854. They later returned to England.

A search in Manhattan records by New York City Department of Records and
Information Services Municipal Archives for this marriage brought the reply
**not found**. What other Boroughs had Synagogues in 1854?

Any information as to what happened to Sarah and Anne?

Joe Isaacs, Netanya, Israel <isaacsj@netvision.net.il>


INTRO - Seek Alice LAGOWITZ b. near Dresden 1881 #germany

GZET@...
 

I am a new member, searching for information about my maternal grandmother,
whose maiden name was Alice LAGOWITZ. She was born in Skaska, near Dresden,
in 1881. I also want to find the names of her parents.
Any help will be much appreciated.

Geraldine Zetzel Cambridge Mass. GZET@aol.com


German SIG #Germany INTRO - Seek Alice LAGOWITZ b. near Dresden 1881 #germany

GZET@...
 

I am a new member, searching for information about my maternal grandmother,
whose maiden name was Alice LAGOWITZ. She was born in Skaska, near Dresden,
in 1881. I also want to find the names of her parents.
Any help will be much appreciated.

Geraldine Zetzel Cambridge Mass. GZET@aol.com


Social security applications #germany

Hanna Grossman <hannakg@...>
 

Within the last 4-6 weeks there was a post explaining a change in
policy by SSA on what they would send out in response to a request for
an SS5. I have been unable to find this in the archives and
would like to know 1) how much it now costs to get whatever they are
sending, and 2) what information it contains.

Hanna Grossman, Cornwall, CT <hannakg@optonline.net>


Searching for LASSOFF family of Minsk #general

Elmer Friedman <elmerf@...>
 

LASSOFF family came to U.S. >from Minsk during immigration wave of 1900s.
Settled in New York and one branch lives in Hollywood , Florida.
Also researching FRIEDMAN of Zhytomyr, Ukraine and LULKIA of Shargrod, Ukraine.
Dr. Elmer Friedman
elmerf@iopener.net


German SIG #Germany Social security applications #germany

Hanna Grossman <hannakg@...>
 

Within the last 4-6 weeks there was a post explaining a change in
policy by SSA on what they would send out in response to a request for
an SS5. I have been unable to find this in the archives and
would like to know 1) how much it now costs to get whatever they are
sending, and 2) what information it contains.

Hanna Grossman, Cornwall, CT <hannakg@optonline.net>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for LASSOFF family of Minsk #general

Elmer Friedman <elmerf@...>
 

LASSOFF family came to U.S. >from Minsk during immigration wave of 1900s.
Settled in New York and one branch lives in Hollywood , Florida.
Also researching FRIEDMAN of Zhytomyr, Ukraine and LULKIA of Shargrod, Ukraine.
Dr. Elmer Friedman
elmerf@iopener.net


LACLOCHE, jewellers in Madrid, Paris, London #general

Jan BOUSSE <janbousse@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I am researching the family history of the jewellers LACLOCHE, who descended
from a Jewish ancestor. It appears they set up a jewellery shop in Madrid,
Spain, in 1875, that date seems doubtful and I want to verify it. They also
later were active in San Sebastian, Spain; Biarritz, France; Paris and
London. I would like to ask information >from archives, historical or
genealogical groups in Spain. Can anyone give me a hint? Spanish is no
problem, I am sufficiently fluent in it.

Thank you in advance.

Jan BOUSSE, Oostende, Belgium
janbousse@skynet.be


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LACLOCHE, jewellers in Madrid, Paris, London #general

Jan BOUSSE <janbousse@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I am researching the family history of the jewellers LACLOCHE, who descended
from a Jewish ancestor. It appears they set up a jewellery shop in Madrid,
Spain, in 1875, that date seems doubtful and I want to verify it. They also
later were active in San Sebastian, Spain; Biarritz, France; Paris and
London. I would like to ask information >from archives, historical or
genealogical groups in Spain. Can anyone give me a hint? Spanish is no
problem, I am sufficiently fluent in it.

Thank you in advance.

Jan BOUSSE, Oostende, Belgium
janbousse@skynet.be


SEREBRENIK family of Vienna & Robert SEREBRENIK #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

When Milton Koch sent in a query about Rabbi Robert SEREBRENIK, I had
no idea where the quest would lead. Indeed, I had never heard of the
name. Now I am ready to tell the story of an extraordinary man [and
family] pieced together >from various sources over the past week -
telephone interviews, newspapers, email exchanges, archival and extensive
internet searches.

Family background: This is really the story of three orthodox brothers,
the *Singing SEREBRENIKs*, who came to Vienna >from Belarus {Bobruisk}
in the early 1890s and founded a clan. They must have left their parents
Abraham and Ester [nee SOFER] behind in Belarus. The parents [born ca
1840s] died between 1892 and 1899. I have no idea if they had many more
children, but it is quite likely, as there are big age gaps between the
three brothers who came to Vienna.

They were: Leib/Leopold 1866; Peisach/Selig/Felix 1874; and Moschko/Joseph
1876. All settled and married "local" girls in Vienna. By the early 1900s,
there was a large number of young SEREBRENIK in Vienna. They were definitely
very musical - Joseph led a synagogue choir and Leopold was an "Ober
Cantor" and choirmaster. Felix was also a cantor. Sigger Hermann Karplus,
presently in Jerusalem, found a SEREBRENIK who was the Cantor [Chasan],
at the Wahringer Tempel.
See the choir here in 1930 [scroll down the pages till you see the photo]:
http://tinyurl.com/96b8y

We also know that Berthold [son of Leopold] was a violinist and Erster
Konzertmeister a. Straustheater and led the SEREBRENIK Jazz Orchestra in
Vienna. He can be followed through, ending his days relatively young with
his wife Ella nee TAUSSIG [her mother's maiden name was WEIGL* as found
on SSDI] in Los Angeles on 13.2 1959 and 18.1.1964 respectively.

Now back to Robert SEREBRENIK: born in Vienna on 4.3.1902 to Peisach/Felix
/Selig [dob >from asset file 17.4.1873] and Theresia [nee REISS]. He had
three siblings: Ernestine 1900 [married RUSSO and lived in NY], Oskar
1903**, Karoline 1906 [known as Kaethe, married to LEWY and lived in
Jerusalem].

Appointed Chief Rabbi, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg 11 January 1929 -"Grand
Rabbin de Luxembourg - Jewish population ca 6,000.

Robert married Julia HERZOG on 27th April 1930 in Luxembourg. She was born
in Vienna 8.7.1908. The couple had no children. They lived at av. Michel
Rodouge xxx [ Street No. removed in accordance with Jewishgen rules].

21 June 1941 arrived in NY on the Mouzinho - see his arrival in the Aufbau
card index and a photo of the famous ship:
http://deposit.ddb.de/online/exil/swkatalog/s/39265.htm
{This URL gives a date of 20th June}
http://freespace.virgin.net/er.kugler/sc_ose2.htm

Nov 1941: Holds Luxembourg Civil Service position in Montreal.
1942: Founds the orthodox Ramath Orah Synagogue*** at 550 West 110th St
NY together with Frankfurt-born, William HERZFELD.
1945-1960: serves on the professional staff of the World Jewish Congress.
11 Feb 1965: Robert dies of a heart attack in NY at his home XXX West
110th Street.
July 1975: Erna RUSSO, Robert's sister dies in the Bronx
July 1987: Julia SEREBRENIK dies in NY.

Of the three brothers, Leopold {and wife Wihelmine} and Joseph died and
are buried in Vienna but I have not yet discovered what happened to
Robert's father and mother Peisach/Felix/Selig and Theresia SEREBRENIK.
Joseph's wife, Regine nee WEISS >from Goding {Hodonin} Moravia was murdered
in the the holocaust. Felix may have gone to Israel to join his daughter?
Help please.

In Part 2, I will concentrate on the War Years.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnotes:

* Linked to Sigger Hans Weigl - more in part 3
** Oskar is the link to Sigger Milton Koch; his aunt Miriam KOCH married
Oskar. They have two sons called STAV in Israel.
*** Please think about the name of this synagogue and see if you can work
out its significance! Clue: You need to know Hebrew, Latin and German.

I would like to thank all those who have sent me snippets of data inc.
Siggers Stephanie Weiner, Teresa Delikat, Milton Koch, Hermann Karplus,
Hans Weigl as well as the son of Otto Serebrenik and friends in Vienna.
And especially, the ever-patient Uri Meretz, who received countless drafts
to comment on and solved the puzzle above!


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech SEREBRENIK family of Vienna & Robert SEREBRENIK #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

When Milton Koch sent in a query about Rabbi Robert SEREBRENIK, I had
no idea where the quest would lead. Indeed, I had never heard of the
name. Now I am ready to tell the story of an extraordinary man [and
family] pieced together >from various sources over the past week -
telephone interviews, newspapers, email exchanges, archival and extensive
internet searches.

Family background: This is really the story of three orthodox brothers,
the *Singing SEREBRENIKs*, who came to Vienna >from Belarus {Bobruisk}
in the early 1890s and founded a clan. They must have left their parents
Abraham and Ester [nee SOFER] behind in Belarus. The parents [born ca
1840s] died between 1892 and 1899. I have no idea if they had many more
children, but it is quite likely, as there are big age gaps between the
three brothers who came to Vienna.

They were: Leib/Leopold 1866; Peisach/Selig/Felix 1874; and Moschko/Joseph
1876. All settled and married "local" girls in Vienna. By the early 1900s,
there was a large number of young SEREBRENIK in Vienna. They were definitely
very musical - Joseph led a synagogue choir and Leopold was an "Ober
Cantor" and choirmaster. Felix was also a cantor. Sigger Hermann Karplus,
presently in Jerusalem, found a SEREBRENIK who was the Cantor [Chasan],
at the Wahringer Tempel.
See the choir here in 1930 [scroll down the pages till you see the photo]:
http://tinyurl.com/96b8y

We also know that Berthold [son of Leopold] was a violinist and Erster
Konzertmeister a. Straustheater and led the SEREBRENIK Jazz Orchestra in
Vienna. He can be followed through, ending his days relatively young with
his wife Ella nee TAUSSIG [her mother's maiden name was WEIGL* as found
on SSDI] in Los Angeles on 13.2 1959 and 18.1.1964 respectively.

Now back to Robert SEREBRENIK: born in Vienna on 4.3.1902 to Peisach/Felix
/Selig [dob >from asset file 17.4.1873] and Theresia [nee REISS]. He had
three siblings: Ernestine 1900 [married RUSSO and lived in NY], Oskar
1903**, Karoline 1906 [known as Kaethe, married to LEWY and lived in
Jerusalem].

Appointed Chief Rabbi, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg 11 January 1929 -"Grand
Rabbin de Luxembourg - Jewish population ca 6,000.

Robert married Julia HERZOG on 27th April 1930 in Luxembourg. She was born
in Vienna 8.7.1908. The couple had no children. They lived at av. Michel
Rodouge xxx [ Street No. removed in accordance with Jewishgen rules].

21 June 1941 arrived in NY on the Mouzinho - see his arrival in the Aufbau
card index and a photo of the famous ship:
http://deposit.ddb.de/online/exil/swkatalog/s/39265.htm
{This URL gives a date of 20th June}
http://freespace.virgin.net/er.kugler/sc_ose2.htm

Nov 1941: Holds Luxembourg Civil Service position in Montreal.
1942: Founds the orthodox Ramath Orah Synagogue*** at 550 West 110th St
NY together with Frankfurt-born, William HERZFELD.
1945-1960: serves on the professional staff of the World Jewish Congress.
11 Feb 1965: Robert dies of a heart attack in NY at his home XXX West
110th Street.
July 1975: Erna RUSSO, Robert's sister dies in the Bronx
July 1987: Julia SEREBRENIK dies in NY.

Of the three brothers, Leopold {and wife Wihelmine} and Joseph died and
are buried in Vienna but I have not yet discovered what happened to
Robert's father and mother Peisach/Felix/Selig and Theresia SEREBRENIK.
Joseph's wife, Regine nee WEISS >from Goding {Hodonin} Moravia was murdered
in the the holocaust. Felix may have gone to Israel to join his daughter?
Help please.

In Part 2, I will concentrate on the War Years.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnotes:

* Linked to Sigger Hans Weigl - more in part 3
** Oskar is the link to Sigger Milton Koch; his aunt Miriam KOCH married
Oskar. They have two sons called STAV in Israel.
*** Please think about the name of this synagogue and see if you can work
out its significance! Clue: You need to know Hebrew, Latin and German.

I would like to thank all those who have sent me snippets of data inc.
Siggers Stephanie Weiner, Teresa Delikat, Milton Koch, Hermann Karplus,
Hans Weigl as well as the son of Otto Serebrenik and friends in Vienna.
And especially, the ever-patient Uri Meretz, who received countless drafts
to comment on and solved the puzzle above!


Family Ties: 25 January on BBC4 at 10 PM #unitedkingdom

Mikekarsen@...
 

I am a Jewish Genealogist >from Chicago who was asked to help Phil Stein (a
BBC producer) put together his family's story. The final product is quite
touching and will air on Wednesday January 25th, at 10 pm on the UK's BBC4
network.

I'm even in the show for 15 seconds showing Phil's dad the Chicago archives.

Mike Karsen
Chicago
Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Chicagoland
_www.JewishGen.org/Infofiles/Chicago_
(http://www.JewishGen.org/Infofiles/Chicago)


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Family Ties: 25 January on BBC4 at 10 PM #unitedkingdom

Mikekarsen@...
 

I am a Jewish Genealogist >from Chicago who was asked to help Phil Stein (a
BBC producer) put together his family's story. The final product is quite
touching and will air on Wednesday January 25th, at 10 pm on the UK's BBC4
network.

I'm even in the show for 15 seconds showing Phil's dad the Chicago archives.

Mike Karsen
Chicago
Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Chicagoland
_www.JewishGen.org/Infofiles/Chicago_
(http://www.JewishGen.org/Infofiles/Chicago)


Searching Igor SCHWARTZ or SWARTZ in Tashkent #general

Marilyn F <mrl516@...>
 

I have a relative, Igor SCHWARTZ, in Tashkent I am trying to locate. If
anyone knows Igor, please contact me. Also if anyone has any contacts in
Tashkent who could hlep me that would also be very helpful. Thanks.
Marilyn Feingold, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching Igor SCHWARTZ or SWARTZ in Tashkent #general

Marilyn F <mrl516@...>
 

I have a relative, Igor SCHWARTZ, in Tashkent I am trying to locate. If
anyone knows Igor, please contact me. Also if anyone has any contacts in
Tashkent who could hlep me that would also be very helpful. Thanks.
Marilyn Feingold, USA