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Re: A UK mystery story
#unitedkingdom
MBernet@...
In a message dated 3/19/2006 3:57:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
IsraelP@pikholz.org writes: I have outlined a UK mystery story at http://www.pikholz.org/Volunteer/Puzzles/JacobResults.html which you might find interesting. ==Interesting? Exceedingly! Convoluted? Exceedingly! ==But too confusing for my aging mind. ==Some odd thoughts however: How strict were American immigration rules at that time? Epilepsy may have been a certain barrier, whether in obtaining a visa (was one required at the time) or getting past Ellis Island, or even getting on the steamer (remember, the steamship company would have had to take him back to England at their own expense--and the British might have refused permission for him to land, so that he's be travelling on board (and having fits) for the rest of his life. So his parents left him behind, under good care, intending to send for him when they were better established in the USA and could guarantee his support--or when he would have improved to the point where his epilepsy was no longer a barrier. ==Yiches (status) was important to our forefathers (and still is to many of our contemporaries). Family health was one very important factor there. One diseased member of one family would imperil the probability of every other member of the family to attain an optimum marriage. A child with epilepsy >from infancy would face his family with sever conflicts of love and responsibility. You had a child in your list named Yechiel-Yakov who was born the same year as your Jacob in London. He died a year later. Could his death have been a fabrication, and he was actually slipped out of his family's home in care of a relative or even friend who was heading for London who eventually placed him in the Industrial School (some sort of asylum for the handicapped?). His real parents may have picked him up later on the way to the USA (after his sisters had all been safely married off?). Michael Bernet, New York
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: A UK mystery story
#unitedkingdom
MBernet@...
In a message dated 3/19/2006 3:57:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
IsraelP@pikholz.org writes: I have outlined a UK mystery story at http://www.pikholz.org/Volunteer/Puzzles/JacobResults.html which you might find interesting. ==Interesting? Exceedingly! Convoluted? Exceedingly! ==But too confusing for my aging mind. ==Some odd thoughts however: How strict were American immigration rules at that time? Epilepsy may have been a certain barrier, whether in obtaining a visa (was one required at the time) or getting past Ellis Island, or even getting on the steamer (remember, the steamship company would have had to take him back to England at their own expense--and the British might have refused permission for him to land, so that he's be travelling on board (and having fits) for the rest of his life. So his parents left him behind, under good care, intending to send for him when they were better established in the USA and could guarantee his support--or when he would have improved to the point where his epilepsy was no longer a barrier. ==Yiches (status) was important to our forefathers (and still is to many of our contemporaries). Family health was one very important factor there. One diseased member of one family would imperil the probability of every other member of the family to attain an optimum marriage. A child with epilepsy >from infancy would face his family with sever conflicts of love and responsibility. You had a child in your list named Yechiel-Yakov who was born the same year as your Jacob in London. He died a year later. Could his death have been a fabrication, and he was actually slipped out of his family's home in care of a relative or even friend who was heading for London who eventually placed him in the Industrial School (some sort of asylum for the handicapped?). His real parents may have picked him up later on the way to the USA (after his sisters had all been safely married off?). Michael Bernet, New York
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Berkshire MA Evening Eagle
#general
Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
Dear cousins:
If anyone has access to the Berkshire MA Evening Eagle, either on line or through the Pittsfield MA library, please contact me privately. Thanks, Ruth Hyman Rockville Centre, NY
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Berkshire MA Evening Eagle
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Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
Dear cousins:
If anyone has access to the Berkshire MA Evening Eagle, either on line or through the Pittsfield MA library, please contact me privately. Thanks, Ruth Hyman Rockville Centre, NY
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Re: NY marriage info for my grandparents- interesting discrepancies
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MBernet@...
In a message dated 3/20/2006 7:32:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
debskolnik@yahoo.com writes: I just got my paternal grandparents' ketubah translated, thanks to the quick response of three folks on this list (all of whom have been privately thanked. I have had a lot of trouble finding the NY State registration for their marriage, but now that I have the exact date >from the ketubah, it should theoretically be easier to get the secular document, right? Well, the trouble is that the names don't quite match, nor does the date. I'm betting that it's the right record anyway, and I'll send for a copy, but just to share (and reinforce how flexible we need to be with names), here's the *real* info, and what appears in the database: ... Marriage date is shown on the ketubah as Monday, Aug. 17, 1908. Marriage date in the NY database is Aug. 16. ==That's an easy one. Sunday ended at midnight; then it was Monday. ==Yom Rishon [the first day] ended at sunset of Sunday. Yom Sheni [the second day] started at sunset. And that's when they got married ==It's worth having a basic understanding of the Jewish calendar. I have downloaded one that can tell me sunset on any day in any location in the world. Michael Bernet, New York
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LEHNER, STEINBERG, HOFFMAN ALPERIN YOUNG/ Photos from WWII
#general
Cheryl <csofer@...>
My father, Herman S. Alpert was a psychiatrist in the US Army during
WWII. I have recently found several pictures that he took overseas. Some of the people in the photos were: Capt. Jerome LEHNER, Maj. Saul STEINBERG, Capt. HOFFMAN, Capt. ALPERIN, Capt. John YOUNG. If anyone is interested in seeing those photos, please let me know. I have no information about these people other than what is written on the backs of the photos. Cheryl Alpert Sofer Melville, NY
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NY marriage info for my grandparents- interesting discrepancies
#general
MBernet@...
In a message dated 3/20/2006 7:32:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
debskolnik@yahoo.com writes: I just got my paternal grandparents' ketubah translated, thanks to the quick response of three folks on this list (all of whom have been privately thanked. I have had a lot of trouble finding the NY State registration for their marriage, but now that I have the exact date >from the ketubah, it should theoretically be easier to get the secular document, right? Well, the trouble is that the names don't quite match, nor does the date. I'm betting that it's the right record anyway, and I'll send for a copy, but just to share (and reinforce how flexible we need to be with names), here's the *real* info, and what appears in the database: ... Marriage date is shown on the ketubah as Monday, Aug. 17, 1908. Marriage date in the NY database is Aug. 16. ==That's an easy one. Sunday ended at midnight; then it was Monday. ==Yom Rishon [the first day] ended at sunset of Sunday. Yom Sheni [the second day] started at sunset. And that's when they got married ==It's worth having a basic understanding of the Jewish calendar. I have downloaded one that can tell me sunset on any day in any location in the world. Michael Bernet, New York
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LEHNER, STEINBERG, HOFFMAN ALPERIN YOUNG/ Photos from WWII
#general
Cheryl <csofer@...>
My father, Herman S. Alpert was a psychiatrist in the US Army during
WWII. I have recently found several pictures that he took overseas. Some of the people in the photos were: Capt. Jerome LEHNER, Maj. Saul STEINBERG, Capt. HOFFMAN, Capt. ALPERIN, Capt. John YOUNG. If anyone is interested in seeing those photos, please let me know. I have no information about these people other than what is written on the backs of the photos. Cheryl Alpert Sofer Melville, NY
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Searching for AJZENBERG nee WEIDENBAUM
#general
hymiereich
I am seaching for the family of Esther AJZENBERG whose maiden name was
WEIDENBAUM. Her sister Rivkah (Rashke) was married to my uncle Beinush TENENBAUM. Rivkah perished in the Shoah. I have a letter that Esther sent to my grandmother in Montreal. That letter dated 19 Aug 1945 was sent >from XX Frug St. Tel Aviv. Hymie Reichstein Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for AJZENBERG nee WEIDENBAUM
#general
hymiereich
I am seaching for the family of Esther AJZENBERG whose maiden name was
WEIDENBAUM. Her sister Rivkah (Rashke) was married to my uncle Beinush TENENBAUM. Rivkah perished in the Shoah. I have a letter that Esther sent to my grandmother in Montreal. That letter dated 19 Aug 1945 was sent >from XX Frug St. Tel Aviv. Hymie Reichstein Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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More Moravian Families in FTJP
#austria-czech
rodihan@...
I checked the Family Tree of the Jewish People early this morning,
and was pleased to discover that my tree -- containing about 6,500 names -- has now been posted. This collection deals primarily with the KNOPFELMACHER, TAUBER, ZWILLINGER, and ZERKOWITZ families of Moravia (with numerous branches into Slovakia, Hungary, and Austria), but many other family groups are also included. Among the more well-known names are: Frankist disciple Salomon KOHN-ZERKOWITZ (b. c.1750), Viennese writer Sidonie GRUNWALD-ZERKOWITZ (1852-1907), violinist Sigismund BACHRICH (1841-1913), American inventor Oscar ZERK (1878-1968), writer Herman UNGAR (1893-1929) [whose brother married a KNOPFELMACHER], and Australian professor Dr. Frank KNOPFELMACHER (1923-1995), to name a few. There are also hundreds and hundreds of Shoah victims in all of these families. I plan on continuing to add names, and will post an update every quarter. One of my sources is the KNOPFLMACHER Stammbaum (written about 1905 by a relative in Vienna) which outlines the genealogies of a large number of families connected to the KNOPFLMACHER family. I have entered data >from the first 40 pages of the Stammbaum, but still have about 20 more pages to go. Because it is written in the old German kurrent, that's been a slow process for me. If anyone has any questions about any of these families, feel free to e-mail me. Best regards, Robert Hanscom Andover, Massachusetts Researching (in Moravia): KNOPFELMACHER, TAUBER, ZWILLINGER, ZERKOWITZ, LAZAR, BRULL
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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech More Moravian Families in FTJP
#austria-czech
rodihan@...
I checked the Family Tree of the Jewish People early this morning,
and was pleased to discover that my tree -- containing about 6,500 names -- has now been posted. This collection deals primarily with the KNOPFELMACHER, TAUBER, ZWILLINGER, and ZERKOWITZ families of Moravia (with numerous branches into Slovakia, Hungary, and Austria), but many other family groups are also included. Among the more well-known names are: Frankist disciple Salomon KOHN-ZERKOWITZ (b. c.1750), Viennese writer Sidonie GRUNWALD-ZERKOWITZ (1852-1907), violinist Sigismund BACHRICH (1841-1913), American inventor Oscar ZERK (1878-1968), writer Herman UNGAR (1893-1929) [whose brother married a KNOPFELMACHER], and Australian professor Dr. Frank KNOPFELMACHER (1923-1995), to name a few. There are also hundreds and hundreds of Shoah victims in all of these families. I plan on continuing to add names, and will post an update every quarter. One of my sources is the KNOPFLMACHER Stammbaum (written about 1905 by a relative in Vienna) which outlines the genealogies of a large number of families connected to the KNOPFLMACHER family. I have entered data >from the first 40 pages of the Stammbaum, but still have about 20 more pages to go. Because it is written in the old German kurrent, that's been a slow process for me. If anyone has any questions about any of these families, feel free to e-mail me. Best regards, Robert Hanscom Andover, Massachusetts Researching (in Moravia): KNOPFELMACHER, TAUBER, ZWILLINGER, ZERKOWITZ, LAZAR, BRULL
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Kojdanor, Poland
#general
Dr.Josef ASH
Shalom,
I search the BASICHIS family >from Koidanovo (now Dzrezhinsk, near Minsk) in Belarus. In the Ellis Island database I found four young girls BASICHES, who arrived by "Aquitania" >from Cherbourg on Sept 9, 1921. It would be wonderful, but the town of the last residence is clearly typed as Kojdanor. I understand, that the hand-written "v" and "r" may be interchanged, but the country is typed as Poland. Minsk was always included in the USSR and is not in the Western Belarus, which was the part of Poland until the WWII. I couldn't find Kojdanor in Poland, the name doesn't soud like a Polish word. May be the researchers of Poland know such a shtetl? I would like to adopt these girls into the family, but how can I manage their "last residence"? Thank you, Dr.Josef Ash, Israel
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kojdanor, Poland
#general
Dr.Josef ASH
Shalom,
I search the BASICHIS family >from Koidanovo (now Dzrezhinsk, near Minsk) in Belarus. In the Ellis Island database I found four young girls BASICHES, who arrived by "Aquitania" >from Cherbourg on Sept 9, 1921. It would be wonderful, but the town of the last residence is clearly typed as Kojdanor. I understand, that the hand-written "v" and "r" may be interchanged, but the country is typed as Poland. Minsk was always included in the USSR and is not in the Western Belarus, which was the part of Poland until the WWII. I couldn't find Kojdanor in Poland, the name doesn't soud like a Polish word. May be the researchers of Poland know such a shtetl? I would like to adopt these girls into the family, but how can I manage their "last residence"? Thank you, Dr.Josef Ash, Israel
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NY marriage info for my grandparents- interesting discrepancies
#general
Deb(orah) Cohen Skolnik
I just got my paternal grandparents' ketubah
translated, thanks to the quick response of three folks on this list (all of whom have been privately thanked. I have had a lot of trouble finding the NY State registration for their marriage, but now that I have the exact date >from the ketubah, it should theoretically be easier to get the secular document, right? Well, the trouble is that the names don't quite match, nor does the date. I'm betting that it's the right record anyway, and I'll send for a copy, but just to share (and reinforce how flexible we need to be with names), here's the *real* info, and what appears in the database: Grandfather: Known in the U.S. as Barney or Barnet Cohen, Bere Kissin in Russia. Database calls him Benjamin Cohen. Grandmother: Known in the U.S. as Bessie -- was Pesha Solutuzkyn in Russia. Database calls her Bessie Suftuskiss. Marriage date is shown on the ketubah as Monday, Aug. 17, 1908. Marriage date in the NY database is Aug. 16. No wonder it takes a lot of detective work to figure all this stuff out! But it wouldn't be possible without the help of people on this list. Again, I thank those who helped specifically, and those who have helped me in the past. Best regards, Debbie Cohen Skolnik Fairview, NC (near Asheville) SEARCHING: KISSIN/COHEN Brooklyn, NY, SOLUTUZKYN Brooklyn NY and unknown location in Russia/Poland, LANDE/LANDY/LONDIN in Bialystok and Chicago, IL and GARBARZ/GERBER in Ostrowa, Poland and Chicago, IL
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KOENIGSBUCH from Dukla,Galicia and Trebisov,Slovakia
#general
Abuwasta Abuwasta
Dear Genners and Siggers,
I still face few unsolved questions concerning my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH >from Brzesko,Galicia. All the bearers of this unique and rare surname hail from that shtetl.However,by the 1880 they started moving to neighbouring shtels in Galicia and westward to Krakow and Germany.Recently I have discovered in Yad Vashem PoTs a certain Wolf KOENIGBUCH(sic) who was born in Dukla in 1890. He was on the Slovak Deportation list of 5.5.1942 >from Trebisov to Lublin together with Rudolph KOENIGSBUCH b. 1930 and Maria KOENIGBUCH(sic) b. 1931. These 2 kids were probably his children.Their place of birth is given as Trebisov. I have discovered already another KOENIGSBUCH (Hermann) b.1912 in Michalovce. His father Joseph was my grandfather's brother. I wonder any one has bumped into those names or has them on his family tree. Thanks. Jacob Rosen Jerusalem
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NY marriage info for my grandparents- interesting discrepancies
#general
Deb(orah) Cohen Skolnik
I just got my paternal grandparents' ketubah
translated, thanks to the quick response of three folks on this list (all of whom have been privately thanked. I have had a lot of trouble finding the NY State registration for their marriage, but now that I have the exact date >from the ketubah, it should theoretically be easier to get the secular document, right? Well, the trouble is that the names don't quite match, nor does the date. I'm betting that it's the right record anyway, and I'll send for a copy, but just to share (and reinforce how flexible we need to be with names), here's the *real* info, and what appears in the database: Grandfather: Known in the U.S. as Barney or Barnet Cohen, Bere Kissin in Russia. Database calls him Benjamin Cohen. Grandmother: Known in the U.S. as Bessie -- was Pesha Solutuzkyn in Russia. Database calls her Bessie Suftuskiss. Marriage date is shown on the ketubah as Monday, Aug. 17, 1908. Marriage date in the NY database is Aug. 16. No wonder it takes a lot of detective work to figure all this stuff out! But it wouldn't be possible without the help of people on this list. Again, I thank those who helped specifically, and those who have helped me in the past. Best regards, Debbie Cohen Skolnik Fairview, NC (near Asheville) SEARCHING: KISSIN/COHEN Brooklyn, NY, SOLUTUZKYN Brooklyn NY and unknown location in Russia/Poland, LANDE/LANDY/LONDIN in Bialystok and Chicago, IL and GARBARZ/GERBER in Ostrowa, Poland and Chicago, IL
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen KOENIGSBUCH from Dukla,Galicia and Trebisov,Slovakia
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Abuwasta Abuwasta
Dear Genners and Siggers,
I still face few unsolved questions concerning my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH >from Brzesko,Galicia. All the bearers of this unique and rare surname hail from that shtetl.However,by the 1880 they started moving to neighbouring shtels in Galicia and westward to Krakow and Germany.Recently I have discovered in Yad Vashem PoTs a certain Wolf KOENIGBUCH(sic) who was born in Dukla in 1890. He was on the Slovak Deportation list of 5.5.1942 >from Trebisov to Lublin together with Rudolph KOENIGSBUCH b. 1930 and Maria KOENIGBUCH(sic) b. 1931. These 2 kids were probably his children.Their place of birth is given as Trebisov. I have discovered already another KOENIGSBUCH (Hermann) b.1912 in Michalovce. His father Joseph was my grandfather's brother. I wonder any one has bumped into those names or has them on his family tree. Thanks. Jacob Rosen Jerusalem
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Translation of ViewMate
#general
Monica Grunberg <monigruenberg@...>
Hi all,
I have posted to Viewmate a photo of a document. I would appreciate any help with the translation , >from Russian (Cyrillic) to any of these lenguages: english or german or spanish. It's the birth record of Perla Hirsz. She was born in 1883 in Konskie. Direct link: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7666 Thank you!! Please reply directly to me at: monigruenberg@bluewin.ch Monica Hirsz Zurich, Switzerland Researching: WAJSBART (Plawno,Mstow,Czestochowa),ROTHOLTZ /ROTCHOLC (Czestochowa),HIRSZ (Konskie,Lodz), JANOWSKI/JANOWSKA (Brzeznica Nowa Osada),ICKOWICZ/JACUBOWICZ (Krzepice).
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translation of ViewMate
#general
Monica Grunberg <monigruenberg@...>
Hi all,
I have posted to Viewmate a photo of a document. I would appreciate any help with the translation , >from Russian (Cyrillic) to any of these lenguages: english or german or spanish. It's the birth record of Perla Hirsz. She was born in 1883 in Konskie. Direct link: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7666 Thank you!! Please reply directly to me at: monigruenberg@bluewin.ch Monica Hirsz Zurich, Switzerland Researching: WAJSBART (Plawno,Mstow,Czestochowa),ROTHOLTZ /ROTCHOLC (Czestochowa),HIRSZ (Konskie,Lodz), JANOWSKI/JANOWSKA (Brzeznica Nowa Osada),ICKOWICZ/JACUBOWICZ (Krzepice).
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