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Hungarian Genetic Groups #hungary

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

Okay, can someone explain to me, having descended >from a Hungarian
speaking grandmother (great grandparents >from the same town) how I
wound up mtDNA Haplogroup A??? Leslie Weinberg


H-SIG Digest for Monday, April 17, 2006.

1. Haplogroup K
2. Using census data in AHD
3. Re: DNA and Hungarian

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Subject: Haplogroup K
From: Vivian Kahn <vkahn@...>
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:58:41 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1

Dear Ethel,

All of my grandparents and my father were born in pre-Trianon
Hungary. My mother was born in NYC a few years after her parents
arrived. I am Haplogroup K and have the same mutations that are
shared by many other Ashkenazi Jews. Some lived in Hungary, others
in the Ukraine, Russia, Lithuania, and other places where Ashkenazi
Jews settled. I'm not inclined to share my medical history with the
world but find genetic research of interest because it may help us
to trace migration patterns.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Genetic Groups #hungary

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

Okay, can someone explain to me, having descended >from a Hungarian
speaking grandmother (great grandparents >from the same town) how I
wound up mtDNA Haplogroup A??? Leslie Weinberg


H-SIG Digest for Monday, April 17, 2006.

1. Haplogroup K
2. Using census data in AHD
3. Re: DNA and Hungarian

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Subject: Haplogroup K
From: Vivian Kahn <vkahn@...>
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:58:41 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1

Dear Ethel,

All of my grandparents and my father were born in pre-Trianon
Hungary. My mother was born in NYC a few years after her parents
arrived. I am Haplogroup K and have the same mutations that are
shared by many other Ashkenazi Jews. Some lived in Hungary, others
in the Ukraine, Russia, Lithuania, and other places where Ashkenazi
Jews settled. I'm not inclined to share my medical history with the
world but find genetic research of interest because it may help us
to trace migration patterns.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
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question to Latvia researchers #latvia

Taube Furst Lann <lann@...>
 

Shalom!

I am registered with the JewishGen - Researcher ID 47419 .

I have a question that I would kindly like to ask the Latvia researchers:

My father, Philip FURST (originally Fissel Furst), mentioned often that he
lived in the city of Saratov in Latvia - he was born 5 July 1905 and
emigrated >from Latvia after the 1st World War for the U.S.A. in about 1922 .

However, when trying to locate Saratov, I see that it is in a different
region altogether.

(Saratov is located in the heart of Volga River Valley Region. Once the
capital of the Lower-Volga region, it is now the center of one of the
biggest provinces in Russia. Saratov province is in the southeast of the
East-European plain in the Lower Volga region, in the latitude between 49
48' and 52 49' north. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saratov )

Could it be that during those years, Saratov was indeed a part of Latvia?

Is there more than one city by the name Saratov?

(Other members of my father's family lived in Riga and other Latvian
cities.)


Looking forward to your reply, with many thanks in advance,

Mrs. Taube Furst Lann,
Eilat, Israel

MODERATOR:
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Try JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/LocTown.asp
and remember that the spelling might very well differ!

Latvia SIG #Latvia question to Latvia researchers #latvia

Taube Furst Lann <lann@...>
 

Shalom!

I am registered with the JewishGen - Researcher ID 47419 .

I have a question that I would kindly like to ask the Latvia researchers:

My father, Philip FURST (originally Fissel Furst), mentioned often that he
lived in the city of Saratov in Latvia - he was born 5 July 1905 and
emigrated >from Latvia after the 1st World War for the U.S.A. in about 1922 .

However, when trying to locate Saratov, I see that it is in a different
region altogether.

(Saratov is located in the heart of Volga River Valley Region. Once the
capital of the Lower-Volga region, it is now the center of one of the
biggest provinces in Russia. Saratov province is in the southeast of the
East-European plain in the Lower Volga region, in the latitude between 49
48' and 52 49' north. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saratov )

Could it be that during those years, Saratov was indeed a part of Latvia?

Is there more than one city by the name Saratov?

(Other members of my father's family lived in Riga and other Latvian
cities.)


Looking forward to your reply, with many thanks in advance,

Mrs. Taube Furst Lann,
Eilat, Israel

MODERATOR:
----------
Try JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/LocTown.asp
and remember that the spelling might very well differ!

Lewin WEISS (1809, Danzig-1848, Berlin) #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Some references to the 1848 March revolution in Berlin list "the student
from Danzig" among the dead. An article about this "student," Lewin WEISS
(1809, Danzig-1848, Berlin), "Der Student aus Danzig," by Heinz Warnecke,
was published in Berlinische Monatsschrift 1998/3 and is available online,
in German, at

http://www.berlinische-monatsschrift.de/bms/bmstext/9803prof.htm.

Best wishes for Passover,

Logan Kleinwaks
Coordinator, JewishGen Danzig/Gdansk SIG
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.

Danzig/Gedansk SIG #Danzig #Gdansk #Germany #Poland Lewin WEISS (1809, Danzig-1848, Berlin) #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Some references to the 1848 March revolution in Berlin list "the student
from Danzig" among the dead. An article about this "student," Lewin WEISS
(1809, Danzig-1848, Berlin), "Der Student aus Danzig," by Heinz Warnecke,
was published in Berlinische Monatsschrift 1998/3 and is available online,
in German, at

http://www.berlinische-monatsschrift.de/bms/bmstext/9803prof.htm.

Best wishes for Passover,

Logan Kleinwaks
Coordinator, JewishGen Danzig/Gdansk SIG
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.

Cemeteries in Danzig #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
 

I was connected by e-mail to another researcher who was born and spent his
childhood in Danzig. In response to my question about finding Jewish
information for the period >from the early and mid 1800's, he sent me the
following. I am copying it here with his permission.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California
Algaze@...

Danzig however had at least already two Jewish communities during that
period. One was in the so-called area called Mattenbuden and was relatively
orthodox, the other was the main Danzig community, was larger and somewhat
more assimilated. I do not know whether pre-World War I Jewish records
comprised data >from both communities. I do believe that they had separate
cemeteries.

The main Jewish cemetery in Danzig was almost destroyed by Polish insurgents
after World War II, tho' most local people in Danzig (Gdansk) today
attribute the destruction to the Nazis. The oldest section of this
cemetery, dating to the late 1700s and 1800s was not destroyed, because
graves were not marked by gravestones above the ground. People were buried
in what appears to be stone or cement graves, the tops of which are even
with the surface and contain Hebrew inscriptions, incl. names. Hence, they
were not destroyed by the insurgents.

Unfortunately, they are not readily accessible today >from the site that used
to be the later section of the cemetery which was destroyed. The way to
reach the section that survived is easiest >from an alternative street, but
most local people do not even know that. I mention all this because that
section might be the source for further interest by you. I do not know
whether there are records or lists of people buried there. I know even less
about the cemetery relating to the Mattenbude community, I do not know if
any of it survived.

He wrote an article on this topic which was printed in Zichron Note,
(Journal of the Jewish Genealogical Society of San Francisco) vol. XI, nr.
2, page 8, in the Summer of 1991.

Danzig/Gedansk SIG #Danzig #Gdansk #Germany #Poland Cemeteries in Danzig #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
 

I was connected by e-mail to another researcher who was born and spent his
childhood in Danzig. In response to my question about finding Jewish
information for the period >from the early and mid 1800's, he sent me the
following. I am copying it here with his permission.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California
Algaze@...

Danzig however had at least already two Jewish communities during that
period. One was in the so-called area called Mattenbuden and was relatively
orthodox, the other was the main Danzig community, was larger and somewhat
more assimilated. I do not know whether pre-World War I Jewish records
comprised data >from both communities. I do believe that they had separate
cemeteries.

The main Jewish cemetery in Danzig was almost destroyed by Polish insurgents
after World War II, tho' most local people in Danzig (Gdansk) today
attribute the destruction to the Nazis. The oldest section of this
cemetery, dating to the late 1700s and 1800s was not destroyed, because
graves were not marked by gravestones above the ground. People were buried
in what appears to be stone or cement graves, the tops of which are even
with the surface and contain Hebrew inscriptions, incl. names. Hence, they
were not destroyed by the insurgents.

Unfortunately, they are not readily accessible today >from the site that used
to be the later section of the cemetery which was destroyed. The way to
reach the section that survived is easiest >from an alternative street, but
most local people do not even know that. I mention all this because that
section might be the source for further interest by you. I do not know
whether there are records or lists of people buried there. I know even less
about the cemetery relating to the Mattenbude community, I do not know if
any of it survived.

He wrote an article on this topic which was printed in Zichron Note,
(Journal of the Jewish Genealogical Society of San Francisco) vol. XI, nr.
2, page 8, in the Summer of 1991.

Re: Uhersky Brod Cemetery Web Site #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

I too have used this valuable resource, without which I would never
have found the gravesites of my great-greatgrandfather David Nowak and his
wife Babette.

I am given to understand that the website was maintained by Geri Prokop,
caretaker of the UB cemetery. He is no longer doing this job and so maybe
this is the reason for the site having lapsed.

However, if you enter the url into the Internet Archive Wayback Machine,

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

the archived website can be partially recovered. Amazing!

I will be visiting UB is a few weeks to see the Nowak graves.

Robert Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@...

From: meretz [mailto:meretz@...]
As my paternal family MAERZ originates >from Uhersky Brod, I have been using
the local cemetery's web site (http://www.uh.brod.cz/kever) for a long time.
Today I again tried, but it did not open any more. Does anybody happen to
know what has happened to this most valuable web site?
Thanks,
Uri Meretz, Israel

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: Uhersky Brod Cemetery Web Site #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

I too have used this valuable resource, without which I would never
have found the gravesites of my great-greatgrandfather David Nowak and his
wife Babette.

I am given to understand that the website was maintained by Geri Prokop,
caretaker of the UB cemetery. He is no longer doing this job and so maybe
this is the reason for the site having lapsed.

However, if you enter the url into the Internet Archive Wayback Machine,

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

the archived website can be partially recovered. Amazing!

I will be visiting UB is a few weeks to see the Nowak graves.

Robert Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@...

From: meretz [mailto:meretz@...]
As my paternal family MAERZ originates >from Uhersky Brod, I have been using
the local cemetery's web site (http://www.uh.brod.cz/kever) for a long time.
Today I again tried, but it did not open any more. Does anybody happen to
know what has happened to this most valuable web site?
Thanks,
Uri Meretz, Israel

Early Jewish families in the Tidewater area of Virginia #usa

Charles <rcsonne@...>
 

Seeking research on the early Jewish communities of the Portsmouth, Newport
News, Norfolk and Virginia Beach areas of Virginia. I am researching the
Jacobson family >from Grinkiskis, Lithuania which arrived enmasse abound 1800.
Looking for synagogue & cemetery records, other historical studies and data, etc.

Charles Sonneborn Bethesda, MD <rcsonne@...>

Early American SIG #USA Early Jewish families in the Tidewater area of Virginia #usa

Charles <rcsonne@...>
 

Seeking research on the early Jewish communities of the Portsmouth, Newport
News, Norfolk and Virginia Beach areas of Virginia. I am researching the
Jacobson family >from Grinkiskis, Lithuania which arrived enmasse abound 1800.
Looking for synagogue & cemetery records, other historical studies and data, etc.

Charles Sonneborn Bethesda, MD <rcsonne@...>

* Re: How to record SS murders in family tree ??? #germany

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

"Hansmartin Unger" <hans-martinunger@...> asked:
I wonder how to name the cause of death in my family-register.
Is it right to write: "died on..... in the Kz of....." or better "murdered in
the KZ of........."
Dear all,
I use two features: in the place of death I write "Holocaust victim" and I also
have created a flag called "HV" which allows me to quickly find all those who died
during the Shoah. Regards

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...> Sao Paulo

German SIG #Germany * Re: How to record SS murders in family tree ??? #germany

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

"Hansmartin Unger" <hans-martinunger@...> asked:
I wonder how to name the cause of death in my family-register.
Is it right to write: "died on..... in the Kz of....." or better "murdered in
the KZ of........."
Dear all,
I use two features: in the place of death I write "Holocaust victim" and I also
have created a flag called "HV" which allows me to quickly find all those who died
during the Shoah. Regards

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...> Sao Paulo

Pels family #germany

Dave Bloch
 

In July last year, a Abraham Wollfs wrote me and sent some family tree information
about the PELS family >from Leers,Ostfriedland,Germany.

He said he has over 12,000 names of people who lived in the Ostfriedland area.
I have written to the email address he gave me,but it came back as undeliverable.
I believe he lives in Israel, but am not sure.

If anyone knows him or can help me find him, I would appreciate it. The email
address last July was wollfs@...
I'm trying very hard to find more information on the PELS family.

David A. Bloch Bellevue,Wa. USA davidbloch@...

German SIG #Germany Pels family #germany

Dave Bloch
 

In July last year, a Abraham Wollfs wrote me and sent some family tree information
about the PELS family >from Leers,Ostfriedland,Germany.

He said he has over 12,000 names of people who lived in the Ostfriedland area.
I have written to the email address he gave me,but it came back as undeliverable.
I believe he lives in Israel, but am not sure.

If anyone knows him or can help me find him, I would appreciate it. The email
address last July was wollfs@...
I'm trying very hard to find more information on the PELS family.

David A. Bloch Bellevue,Wa. USA davidbloch@...

WW1 - Advice sought on finding military records #germany

nicky carklin <nixxyc@...>
 

I would like to find information about my Great Grandfather, Max
Isidore OESTERREICHER, who was killed in the First World War.

Unfortunately I have very little information to go on. All I know is
that he was born somewhere in Czechoslovakia (what was then, I
presume, Austria-Hungary?) in a town allegedly called "Teplichernow",
however I can find no evidence that such a place even exists! Would
anyone have an idea as to where this might actually refer? He then
moved to Pritzwalk in Germany, and >from there to Berlin. I am
uncertain as to whether he would have fought for Germany (where he was
living when the war began) or for Austria-Hungary (where he was born).

I managed to get my hands on the book:

"Die Judischen gefallenen des Deutschen Heeres, des Deutschen Marine und der
Deutschen Schutztruppen 1914-1918",
which lists Jewish German soldiers killed in action,
however his name was not in there. Can anyone advise as to what my
next step should be, or perhaps provide me with details of archives
where I can get further information? Any help would be appreciated.

Many thanks, Nicky Carklin (London, UK) <nixxyc@...>

Grand Duchy Project Program in Los Angeles April 24 #lithuania

NKBper@...
 

Litvak researchers in the Los Angeles Area are invited to the JGSLA
meeting on Monday, April 24th at the Skirball Cultural Center, 2701
N. Sepulveda Blvd.

David and Sonia Hoffman will be speaking on the "Grand Duchy Project:
Finding Families in 18th Century Records in Belarus, Lithuania, Poland and
Ukraine."

80% of today's Jews have ancestors who lived in the Polish-Lithuanian
Commonwealth. The Hoffmans are translating and analyzing thousands of
pages of census-tax records >from the latter half of the 18th century,
for the areas which are now in Belarus, Lithuania, and parts of Poland
and Ukraine. They will describe information found in these records
about communities (kahals) and families, and present the historical
context for these findings. They will demonstrate how researchers have
identified their families in these records, though they did not yet
have surnames, and will show examples of other types of 17th
and 18th Century records that are available in archives.
For more information, visit http://www.jewishfamilyhistory.org

Sonia Hoffman is President of the JGS Los Angeles and coordinates
the Grand Duchy Project of the Jewish Family History Foundation. She
served as coordinator of the Bialystok Shtetl CO-OP for JRI-Poland.
David B. Hoffman, Ph.D., is the President of the Jewish Family History
Foundation and serves on the Board of the JGSLA. He co-founded and is
past-president of LitvakSIG. They have published numerous articles in
Avotaynu and Roots-Key, and have spoken at five IAJGS annual conferences
and for many other societies.

This program will begin at 7:30 p.m., following a pre-meeting program on
research in the United Kingdom (7:00 p.m.) There is a $5.00 charge for
guests, which can be applied toward annual membership in JGSLA.

Nancy Biederman, Co-President, JGS Los Angeles

German SIG #Germany WW1 - Advice sought on finding military records #germany

nicky carklin <nixxyc@...>
 

I would like to find information about my Great Grandfather, Max
Isidore OESTERREICHER, who was killed in the First World War.

Unfortunately I have very little information to go on. All I know is
that he was born somewhere in Czechoslovakia (what was then, I
presume, Austria-Hungary?) in a town allegedly called "Teplichernow",
however I can find no evidence that such a place even exists! Would
anyone have an idea as to where this might actually refer? He then
moved to Pritzwalk in Germany, and >from there to Berlin. I am
uncertain as to whether he would have fought for Germany (where he was
living when the war began) or for Austria-Hungary (where he was born).

I managed to get my hands on the book:

"Die Judischen gefallenen des Deutschen Heeres, des Deutschen Marine und der
Deutschen Schutztruppen 1914-1918",
which lists Jewish German soldiers killed in action,
however his name was not in there. Can anyone advise as to what my
next step should be, or perhaps provide me with details of archives
where I can get further information? Any help would be appreciated.

Many thanks, Nicky Carklin (London, UK) <nixxyc@...>

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Grand Duchy Project Program in Los Angeles April 24 #lithuania

NKBper@...
 

Litvak researchers in the Los Angeles Area are invited to the JGSLA
meeting on Monday, April 24th at the Skirball Cultural Center, 2701
N. Sepulveda Blvd.

David and Sonia Hoffman will be speaking on the "Grand Duchy Project:
Finding Families in 18th Century Records in Belarus, Lithuania, Poland and
Ukraine."

80% of today's Jews have ancestors who lived in the Polish-Lithuanian
Commonwealth. The Hoffmans are translating and analyzing thousands of
pages of census-tax records >from the latter half of the 18th century,
for the areas which are now in Belarus, Lithuania, and parts of Poland
and Ukraine. They will describe information found in these records
about communities (kahals) and families, and present the historical
context for these findings. They will demonstrate how researchers have
identified their families in these records, though they did not yet
have surnames, and will show examples of other types of 17th
and 18th Century records that are available in archives.
For more information, visit http://www.jewishfamilyhistory.org

Sonia Hoffman is President of the JGS Los Angeles and coordinates
the Grand Duchy Project of the Jewish Family History Foundation. She
served as coordinator of the Bialystok Shtetl CO-OP for JRI-Poland.
David B. Hoffman, Ph.D., is the President of the Jewish Family History
Foundation and serves on the Board of the JGSLA. He co-founded and is
past-president of LitvakSIG. They have published numerous articles in
Avotaynu and Roots-Key, and have spoken at five IAJGS annual conferences
and for many other societies.

This program will begin at 7:30 p.m., following a pre-meeting program on
research in the United Kingdom (7:00 p.m.) There is a $5.00 charge for
guests, which can be applied toward annual membership in JGSLA.

Nancy Biederman, Co-President, JGS Los Angeles