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Re: Tombstone Symbol
#general
Eric Svirskis
A couple of thoughjts. Could it be a Gothic H? Or could it be viewed as to
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be in 2 separate parts, the RHS being very similar to a Gothic H. I wonder now if it is 2 initials, an I and an H. This is all just speculation as I do not know if they are initials relevant in your family. Another thought: in Melbourne many tombstones have the manufacturer/ supplier noted on them. If this is the case you may be able to contact the manufacturer ... or, of course, the appropriate Chevra Kadisha or other authority. 1932 is not that long ago for records like this, depending where, of course. Maybe there are other tombstones in this cemetery with similar markings? Good luck, Eric Svirskis, Melbourne, Australia. svire@... Interested in: FLEXER, GANTOVNIK, OKUN, MUSZKATBLAT, SRAGOWITZ, SVIRSKIS or SWIRSKY (Panevesz/Panecevysz), & ZILBERMAN (Widze/Vidzy).
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Obtaining an Ohio Marriage Certificate
#general
tina levine
I am trying to locate my father's first cousin Laura
PEARL (b. 1919 in NYC), daughter of Sarah PACHTER Pearl and Abe Pearl. She moved to Canton, Ohio and married a police officer there. Her two brothers Melvin and Morris (Murray) Pearl moved >from NYC to Detroit. How do I go about obtaining her Canton, Ohio marriage certificate so that I can find out her marriage name and search for her? I've been told she has two daughters and resides with one of them in Canton. Thanks for any help. Please respond privately. Tina Pachter Levine Searching PACHTER-Siemiatycze, KIRZNER-Nesvizh, ZOLONDEK/ROSENBERG-Wawolnica
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Tombstone Symbol
#general
Eric Svirskis
A couple of thoughjts. Could it be a Gothic H? Or could it be viewed as to
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be in 2 separate parts, the RHS being very similar to a Gothic H. I wonder now if it is 2 initials, an I and an H. This is all just speculation as I do not know if they are initials relevant in your family. Another thought: in Melbourne many tombstones have the manufacturer/ supplier noted on them. If this is the case you may be able to contact the manufacturer ... or, of course, the appropriate Chevra Kadisha or other authority. 1932 is not that long ago for records like this, depending where, of course. Maybe there are other tombstones in this cemetery with similar markings? Good luck, Eric Svirskis, Melbourne, Australia. svire@... Interested in: FLEXER, GANTOVNIK, OKUN, MUSZKATBLAT, SRAGOWITZ, SVIRSKIS or SWIRSKY (Panevesz/Panecevysz), & ZILBERMAN (Widze/Vidzy).
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|From: Ira [mailto:irablock@...] |Sent: Monday, 29 January 2007 12:06 p.m. | |I have a tombstone picture with an interesting symbol on it (Top |center), and would like some input as to what people think it is. So |far the only think I think it can resembles is an ornate letter F, for |the surname Felder. Any input is appreciated. | |Thank You, |Ira Block | |http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9364
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Obtaining an Ohio Marriage Certificate
#general
tina levine
I am trying to locate my father's first cousin Laura
PEARL (b. 1919 in NYC), daughter of Sarah PACHTER Pearl and Abe Pearl. She moved to Canton, Ohio and married a police officer there. Her two brothers Melvin and Morris (Murray) Pearl moved >from NYC to Detroit. How do I go about obtaining her Canton, Ohio marriage certificate so that I can find out her marriage name and search for her? I've been told she has two daughters and resides with one of them in Canton. Thanks for any help. Please respond privately. Tina Pachter Levine Searching PACHTER-Siemiatycze, KIRZNER-Nesvizh, ZOLONDEK/ROSENBERG-Wawolnica
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Lesser Known Resources at National Archives focus of JGSCV (California) Meeting
#general
jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
Lesser Known Resources at the National Archives and Records Administration
is the topic of the Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County-California (JGSCV) meeting on February 11, 2007. The speaker is Randy Thompson, Archivist at the National Archives, Laguna Niguel, CA Mr. Thompson will provide an introduction to some little known genealogical resources available at NARA, including immigration records, Federal court records, as well as a variety of records created by the military. Also covered in the presentation will be NARA's online resources, the Archival Research Catalog (ARC) and Access to Archival Databases (AAD). NARA is a major resource for your genealogical research. The Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County is dedicated to sharing genealogical information, techniques and research tools with anyone interested in Jewish genealogy and family history. The meeting is co–sponsored with Temple Adat Elohim, Meeting Date, Time, Location: Date: Sunday, February 11, 2007 Place: Temple Adat Elohim 2420 E. Hillcrest Drive, Thousand Oaks, Time: 2:00 p.m.-4:00 p.m. Directions: Take 101 Freeway - exit Rancho Road in Thousand Oaks, go north (if coming >from the west, cross Thousand Oaks Blvd) to E. Hillcrest Drive turn right on E. Hillcrest go about 1.3 miles (just east of Conejo School Road) Temple is on the right. There are approximately 75 parking spots within the complex. There is no parking on Hillcrest Drive. You may park in the complex or on any of the side streets. There is no fee to attend the program, and anyone interested in Jewish genealogy is welcome to attend. The annual dues are $25 for an individual and $30 for a family. For more information on the JGSCV or about the program, go to www.JGSCV.org or please contact Jan Meisels Allen, President, JGSCV Mr. Thompson has been employed with the National Archives and Records Administration-Pacific Region since 1995. As an archivist, he is responsible for the accessioning, preservation, arrangement, and description of historically valuable records created by the Federal government.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lesser Known Resources at National Archives focus of JGSCV (California) Meeting
#general
jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
Lesser Known Resources at the National Archives and Records Administration
is the topic of the Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County-California (JGSCV) meeting on February 11, 2007. The speaker is Randy Thompson, Archivist at the National Archives, Laguna Niguel, CA Mr. Thompson will provide an introduction to some little known genealogical resources available at NARA, including immigration records, Federal court records, as well as a variety of records created by the military. Also covered in the presentation will be NARA's online resources, the Archival Research Catalog (ARC) and Access to Archival Databases (AAD). NARA is a major resource for your genealogical research. The Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County is dedicated to sharing genealogical information, techniques and research tools with anyone interested in Jewish genealogy and family history. The meeting is co–sponsored with Temple Adat Elohim, Meeting Date, Time, Location: Date: Sunday, February 11, 2007 Place: Temple Adat Elohim 2420 E. Hillcrest Drive, Thousand Oaks, Time: 2:00 p.m.-4:00 p.m. Directions: Take 101 Freeway - exit Rancho Road in Thousand Oaks, go north (if coming >from the west, cross Thousand Oaks Blvd) to E. Hillcrest Drive turn right on E. Hillcrest go about 1.3 miles (just east of Conejo School Road) Temple is on the right. There are approximately 75 parking spots within the complex. There is no parking on Hillcrest Drive. You may park in the complex or on any of the side streets. There is no fee to attend the program, and anyone interested in Jewish genealogy is welcome to attend. The annual dues are $25 for an individual and $30 for a family. For more information on the JGSCV or about the program, go to www.JGSCV.org or please contact Jan Meisels Allen, President, JGSCV Mr. Thompson has been employed with the National Archives and Records Administration-Pacific Region since 1995. As an archivist, he is responsible for the accessioning, preservation, arrangement, and description of historically valuable records created by the Federal government.
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The Apter Rebbe & R' Herschel Leib FRIEDMAN
#rabbinic
c h a i m
I am currently doing research on the family of Rabbi Avraham Yehoshua
Heschel (1748? 1755? - 5 Nissan 1825) the Apter (Opatow) Rebbe/Rov. He was a main disciple of the Rebbe Elimelech of Lizhinsk and Rabbi Yechiel Michl of Zlotchov. He is also often referred to as "the Ohev Yisrael," both after the title of the famous book of his teachings, and also because its meaning ("Lover of Jews") fits him so aptly. I believe that The Apter Rov was the founder of the Mezhbizh/Zinkover rabbinic dynasty. I know there were many marriages between the descendants of the Apter Rebbe with the FRIEDMAN family and >from the FRIEDMAN/SADIGORA rabbinic dynasty I am looking for a connection between the Apter Rebbe and Rabbi Herschel (Hirsch??) Leib FRIEDMAN who was a rabbi in Apt (Opatow), who I assume was born between 1820-1840. The mother of R' H.L. FRIEDMAN was Tema, and the brother of the father of R' H.L. FRIEDMAN was either a rebbe or a rabbi in Volka or Volpa. R' H.L. FRIEDMAN had a sister by the name of Tema FRIEDMAN. The wife of H.L. FRIEDMAN was Chaya, and they had a daughter by the name of Tema (1863-1934), daughters by the names of Miriam and Chava and Leah. The daughter by the name of Tema (1863-1934) named her child Avraham Yehoshua Heschel (1900-1972), claiming it was after her Gx??f, the Apter Rebbe. Thank You, Chaim Cohen
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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic The Apter Rebbe & R' Herschel Leib FRIEDMAN
#rabbinic
c h a i m
I am currently doing research on the family of Rabbi Avraham Yehoshua
Heschel (1748? 1755? - 5 Nissan 1825) the Apter (Opatow) Rebbe/Rov. He was a main disciple of the Rebbe Elimelech of Lizhinsk and Rabbi Yechiel Michl of Zlotchov. He is also often referred to as "the Ohev Yisrael," both after the title of the famous book of his teachings, and also because its meaning ("Lover of Jews") fits him so aptly. I believe that The Apter Rov was the founder of the Mezhbizh/Zinkover rabbinic dynasty. I know there were many marriages between the descendants of the Apter Rebbe with the FRIEDMAN family and >from the FRIEDMAN/SADIGORA rabbinic dynasty I am looking for a connection between the Apter Rebbe and Rabbi Herschel (Hirsch??) Leib FRIEDMAN who was a rabbi in Apt (Opatow), who I assume was born between 1820-1840. The mother of R' H.L. FRIEDMAN was Tema, and the brother of the father of R' H.L. FRIEDMAN was either a rebbe or a rabbi in Volka or Volpa. R' H.L. FRIEDMAN had a sister by the name of Tema FRIEDMAN. The wife of H.L. FRIEDMAN was Chaya, and they had a daughter by the name of Tema (1863-1934), daughters by the names of Miriam and Chava and Leah. The daughter by the name of Tema (1863-1934) named her child Avraham Yehoshua Heschel (1900-1972), claiming it was after her Gx??f, the Apter Rebbe. Thank You, Chaim Cohen
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Re: More than one marriage?
#rabbinic
Yosaif Dubovick <ymd000@...>
On 2007.01.27, Bea Shiel <blspabas@...> wrote:
what would be the reason as to why the rabbi's young children fromDivorce is a likely consideration, with the children remaining with the mother (or in the case of a death, remaining with the mother's family). In divorce, the papers stayed 'on file' with the local Beis Din where the 'get' or divorce papers were drawn up. There might be some record of it. There is always the likelihood of the said rabbi having married without a divorce, in which case however, a writ signed by 100 rabbis would have had to have been authorized. In that event, the writ would also be 'somewhere'. (Such a writ was given on the grounds the the woman was unfit (mentally, or physically refused) to accept a divorce. It's not very common, but like any possibility, bears mentioning.) In which case children may have opted to stay with the mother, or if she had fled taking them with her, there wouldn't be an option of them going over to the father. Rabbi Yosaif M. Dubovick Betar Illit, Israel
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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: More than one marriage?
#rabbinic
Yosaif Dubovick <ymd000@...>
On 2007.01.27, Bea Shiel <blspabas@...> wrote:
what would be the reason as to why the rabbi's young children fromDivorce is a likely consideration, with the children remaining with the mother (or in the case of a death, remaining with the mother's family). In divorce, the papers stayed 'on file' with the local Beis Din where the 'get' or divorce papers were drawn up. There might be some record of it. There is always the likelihood of the said rabbi having married without a divorce, in which case however, a writ signed by 100 rabbis would have had to have been authorized. In that event, the writ would also be 'somewhere'. (Such a writ was given on the grounds the the woman was unfit (mentally, or physically refused) to accept a divorce. It's not very common, but like any possibility, bears mentioning.) In which case children may have opted to stay with the mother, or if she had fled taking them with her, there wouldn't be an option of them going over to the father. Rabbi Yosaif M. Dubovick Betar Illit, Israel
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Re: Naftali, grandson of R' Naftali KATZ
#rabbinic
yoni ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
On 2007.01.24, I had written:
Firstly I want to thank all those who replied to my previous messageAccording to my family tree, my ggggrandfather, Yisrael of Ostrog,A Correction: regarding the identity of a grandson of the "Smichat Chachamim" also named Naftali. The name that most often comes up in the replies as a possibility is a greatgrandson Naftali (ben Chaim of Glogau) who served in Ostrog, where this ancestor of mine, Israel, who supposedly married " a Miss KATZ, daughter of Naftali KATZ". In some family sources this "Miss Katz is named Feige. The fact is, that my greatgrandfather had children named Israel and Feige. The fact that Rosenstein doesn't mention under the chapter dealing with Chaim of Glogau and his son Naftali, that Naftali had any daughter (only sons and 7 of them) presumably means that the daughter(s?) did not marry rabbinical figures and as such didn't get listed in the sources Rosenstein used. And so I am hoping that through this group someone may know if the above Naftali of Ostrog did have daughters and has any details as to their descendants. In the past I suggested (>from family sources) that Naftali's family name could have been KWATLENNER but I doubt the credibility of this fact, and if the two Naftalis are the same, Rosenstein lists Naftali as KATZ. Thank you, Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel
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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Naftali, grandson of R' Naftali KATZ
#rabbinic
yoni ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
On 2007.01.24, I had written:
Firstly I want to thank all those who replied to my previous messageAccording to my family tree, my ggggrandfather, Yisrael of Ostrog,A Correction: regarding the identity of a grandson of the "Smichat Chachamim" also named Naftali. The name that most often comes up in the replies as a possibility is a greatgrandson Naftali (ben Chaim of Glogau) who served in Ostrog, where this ancestor of mine, Israel, who supposedly married " a Miss KATZ, daughter of Naftali KATZ". In some family sources this "Miss Katz is named Feige. The fact is, that my greatgrandfather had children named Israel and Feige. The fact that Rosenstein doesn't mention under the chapter dealing with Chaim of Glogau and his son Naftali, that Naftali had any daughter (only sons and 7 of them) presumably means that the daughter(s?) did not marry rabbinical figures and as such didn't get listed in the sources Rosenstein used. And so I am hoping that through this group someone may know if the above Naftali of Ostrog did have daughters and has any details as to their descendants. In the past I suggested (>from family sources) that Naftali's family name could have been KWATLENNER but I doubt the credibility of this fact, and if the two Naftalis are the same, Rosenstein lists Naftali as KATZ. Thank you, Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel
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Re: More than one marriage?
#rabbinic
sfalk81162@...
On 07.01.27, Bea Shiel <blspabas@...> wrote:
what would be the reason as to why the rabbi's young children fromBea: If you do not know for sure that the first wife died, I would suggest that divorce would also have been an option. In my family, one of my great great aunts (daughter of a rabbi) had a first marriage to a rabbi. They were divorced in the 1860s. This was in Prussia (Silesia), so in a different civil context, but >from an Orthodox religious perspective, it would not have been prohibited (apparently). (FALK / AUERBACH) Best regards, Stephen FALK Wayne, PA, USA
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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: More than one marriage?
#rabbinic
sfalk81162@...
On 07.01.27, Bea Shiel <blspabas@...> wrote:
what would be the reason as to why the rabbi's young children fromBea: If you do not know for sure that the first wife died, I would suggest that divorce would also have been an option. In my family, one of my great great aunts (daughter of a rabbi) had a first marriage to a rabbi. They were divorced in the 1860s. This was in Prussia (Silesia), so in a different civil context, but >from an Orthodox religious perspective, it would not have been prohibited (apparently). (FALK / AUERBACH) Best regards, Stephen FALK Wayne, PA, USA
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Getting Birth & Death certificates from Germany
#germany
rosiern1@...
Can anyone tell me how I may obtain birth & death records, of family members
who were in Germany until 1945? I do know where they lived, if that would help. I would appreciate any suggestions on how to obtain these records. Please send copies of your responses to my home e-mail address. Thank you, Rose North Schaumburg, (near Chicago) IL Rosiern1@...
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German SIG #Germany Getting Birth & Death certificates from Germany
#germany
rosiern1@...
Can anyone tell me how I may obtain birth & death records, of family members
who were in Germany until 1945? I do know where they lived, if that would help. I would appreciate any suggestions on how to obtain these records. Please send copies of your responses to my home e-mail address. Thank you, Rose North Schaumburg, (near Chicago) IL Rosiern1@...
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Re: Seeking Birth Certificate pre 1874 - Pankow
#germany
Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
Until 30 Sep 1874, vital events of Jews in Prussia were recorded by
local courts (Kreisgerichte). Each court's jurisdiction was the city in which it had its seat, plus some surroundings. Pankow was part of Kreis Niederbarnim until 1881. That county was north and east of Berlin. I don't know exactly what Kreisgerichte there were in 1866, but some time later, the cities of Altlandsberg, Liebenwalde, Oranienburg and Bernau had courts in 1894. LDS has a film of the birth records for Alt-Landsberg for 1847-74 (the Kreisgericht period). Pankow wasn't exactly close to any of the cities mentioned above, but Liebenwalde is by far the furthest; I'd say the odds are about 1 in 3 that you'd find Pankow on this film. Can't say what the film is like--it's one of the ones made toward the end of the war, >from various sources. Now, it's possible but unlikely that Pankow fell under the jurisdiction of the Berlin courts. All the Jewish records >from those courts survive and were filmed by LDS. Best, Roger Lustig Anne and Tim Muir wrote: requesting a Birth Certificate for:- "Herman N ULLMANN Born on 11 May 1866 Born at 14 Dorfstrasse, Pankow by Berlin Mother: Sarah ULLMANN Father: Solomon ULLMANN however it seems it is pre civil registration (at least that is my understanding of the reply I received). The above information was found in the Jewish Chronicle How would I go about finding a record of this birth?"
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German SIG #Germany Re: Seeking Birth Certificate pre 1874 - Pankow
#germany
Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
Until 30 Sep 1874, vital events of Jews in Prussia were recorded by
local courts (Kreisgerichte). Each court's jurisdiction was the city in which it had its seat, plus some surroundings. Pankow was part of Kreis Niederbarnim until 1881. That county was north and east of Berlin. I don't know exactly what Kreisgerichte there were in 1866, but some time later, the cities of Altlandsberg, Liebenwalde, Oranienburg and Bernau had courts in 1894. LDS has a film of the birth records for Alt-Landsberg for 1847-74 (the Kreisgericht period). Pankow wasn't exactly close to any of the cities mentioned above, but Liebenwalde is by far the furthest; I'd say the odds are about 1 in 3 that you'd find Pankow on this film. Can't say what the film is like--it's one of the ones made toward the end of the war, >from various sources. Now, it's possible but unlikely that Pankow fell under the jurisdiction of the Berlin courts. All the Jewish records >from those courts survive and were filmed by LDS. Best, Roger Lustig Anne and Tim Muir wrote: requesting a Birth Certificate for:- "Herman N ULLMANN Born on 11 May 1866 Born at 14 Dorfstrasse, Pankow by Berlin Mother: Sarah ULLMANN Father: Solomon ULLMANN however it seems it is pre civil registration (at least that is my understanding of the reply I received). The above information was found in the Jewish Chronicle How would I go about finding a record of this birth?"
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Re: 'Lettertothestars' web site
#austria-czech
Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Eve Browne wrote: "I am very disturbed about part of the above site. In the
Holocaust Survivors Database - where names and particulars can be inserted by anyone who wishes to make an entry, are the current names, districts and countries of previous Austrian citizens who fled the holocaust and currently living in other parts of the world." I am most surprised at Eve's message. This "Letter to the Stars" {LTTS] website has been around for years and I, together with others, have written about it extensively [see Austria-Czech message archives], and use it on a daily basis. Randy Schoenberg has also included it in his section on our website entitled: Beginner's Guide to Austrian-Jewish genealogy: http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ausguide.htm where you can read: "A version of the database with more personal information about the victims is at <http://www.lettertothestars.at>" It is very valuable as a genealogical tool as you can do reverse searches by address. It has recently been revamped and in my opinion has become much more user-unfriendly. Also it is mostly in German. Let me explain: 1. The database is based entirely on the Doew data: http://www.doew.at/ 2. The survivors' section has been there for a very long time too. 3. It is called LTTS because on 5 May 2003, the children of Vienna wrote letters to a chosen victim and attached the letter to a balloon which was released together with thousands of others. Some were simple messages. Others were detailed genealogical projects. On the old website, researched names were easily picked up as these names were *highlighted*. With the recent revamp, it is very hard to find them but they are still there. Renee Steinig and I spent an hour on the phone the other night till we found them! And now the URL I had carefully copied no longer works [see footnote to see how I now found them, directly]. Now you only see the "White Roses adoptions" [see point 4] on the names list. together with the adoptee. 4. On the 4 May 2006, they had the White Roses day [and I wrote about that too], where people adopted a victim and laid a white rose at their deportation doorstep. 25,000 people took part and 80,000 roses were laid around Vienna. Even some very cynical people told me it was very moving. If you look at my great-aunt Hermine SCHIFFMANN - she has a rose next to her name, together with the name of the person who left the rose. I looked her up on the on-line phonebook and rang last week to say thank you. She was very happy and told me about her work with her schoolchildren on this day of remembrance. She read the children my letter. I am sure this meant a lot to them and Hermine then became a real person. This is an interactive website and has had a very positive effect on the perception of Austrian school children about the holocaust. I have been saying/writing for years, that we have excellent websites about Austrian Jews [including very many Galician Jews who lived in Austria] - strangely few people, apart >from those researching Viennese families took much notice. It is also important to revisit websites on a regular basis. Celia Male [U.K.] Footnote: Researched projects are found via the drop-down menu on the top line of homepage: Das Projekt - Was Bisher Geschah - Eine Auswahl der Briefe in den Himmel finden Sie hier: ie Dr.Joseph SABATH; Sara ANDACHT; Rachel RANZENHOFER etc etc. Even negotiating these letters is hard! And as an added note of caution, Renee could not find the drop-down menu! Good luck
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Re: 'Lettertothestars' web site
#austria-czech
Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
I believe Eva Browne's complaint is that her name is in the database without
her permission. Gary Mokotoff Avotaynu Inc
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