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MUSIKENSKY - Slonim and Saratov. #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear friends,

Searching for my family MUSIKENSKY >from Slonim, Russia.

The spelling of the name MUSIKENSKY was used as such when the family moved
to London in the early 1900s. However in America I find that the name
changed to Musikansky, Musicasky, Musikanski, Music, to mention a few.

Arye Leib MUSIKENSKY had several children, the only one know though is
Morris (Moshe) who was born in 1841. Morris married Asna (maiden name
unknown) – children Ovcei (George) b. 1880 in Slonim, - David, Isaac,
Arnold, Fanny and Sophie (Sonia) - all born in Saratov where the family
moved to shortly after Ovcei’s birth.

In about 1900 David went to London and shortly after the rest of the family
joined him. In 1904 David and Isaac with their families went to the United
States. The rest of the family remained in London, except Fanny who returned
to Slonim or Saratov we are not quite sure, where she married Arkady
ARENSTAM and in 1920 had a son Mischa. Fanny died during a famine in 1922,
the family in England were informed then all contact was lost.

I have full knowedge of the descendants of David and Isaac’s families in the
United States, but would dearly like to know if anyone has information on
Mischa ARENSTAM.

Moshe Musikensky must have had siblings or cousins and I find >from American
records the following Musikensky families >from Slonim.

MUZIKANSKY Morris age 40, with a wife Dora age 33 and children Harry age 14
and Bessie age 12 living in Suffolk St. Manhattan – in 1910.

MUSIKANSKY Leie arrives in 1909 age 21 and her sister Scheine age 20 arrives
in 1911 and go to their brother-in-law Jacob Greenspan in New Montgomery
Street, San Francisco, leaving behind in Slonim their mother Chodes.

MUSIKANSKY Ziwie age 30 and child Joche age 5 arrive in 1902 to join
husband/father in Norfolk Street, NY.

MUSIKANSKY Yossel age 58 arrives in 1913 to join his son in Brooklyn,
leaving behind his wife Raizel.

MUSIKANSKY – Gabriel – wife Celia, living in Amboy Street, Brooklyn,
according to Gabriel’s WW2 draft card. He worked for the K. M. Dress co. in
W 34th St, NY.

If anyone knows they are descended >from the above families please do contact
me.

Thank you.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MUSIKENSKY - Slonim and Saratov. #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear friends,

Searching for my family MUSIKENSKY >from Slonim, Russia.

The spelling of the name MUSIKENSKY was used as such when the family moved
to London in the early 1900s. However in America I find that the name
changed to Musikansky, Musicasky, Musikanski, Music, to mention a few.

Arye Leib MUSIKENSKY had several children, the only one know though is
Morris (Moshe) who was born in 1841. Morris married Asna (maiden name
unknown) – children Ovcei (George) b. 1880 in Slonim, - David, Isaac,
Arnold, Fanny and Sophie (Sonia) - all born in Saratov where the family
moved to shortly after Ovcei’s birth.

In about 1900 David went to London and shortly after the rest of the family
joined him. In 1904 David and Isaac with their families went to the United
States. The rest of the family remained in London, except Fanny who returned
to Slonim or Saratov we are not quite sure, where she married Arkady
ARENSTAM and in 1920 had a son Mischa. Fanny died during a famine in 1922,
the family in England were informed then all contact was lost.

I have full knowedge of the descendants of David and Isaac’s families in the
United States, but would dearly like to know if anyone has information on
Mischa ARENSTAM.

Moshe Musikensky must have had siblings or cousins and I find >from American
records the following Musikensky families >from Slonim.

MUZIKANSKY Morris age 40, with a wife Dora age 33 and children Harry age 14
and Bessie age 12 living in Suffolk St. Manhattan – in 1910.

MUSIKANSKY Leie arrives in 1909 age 21 and her sister Scheine age 20 arrives
in 1911 and go to their brother-in-law Jacob Greenspan in New Montgomery
Street, San Francisco, leaving behind in Slonim their mother Chodes.

MUSIKANSKY Ziwie age 30 and child Joche age 5 arrive in 1902 to join
husband/father in Norfolk Street, NY.

MUSIKANSKY Yossel age 58 arrives in 1913 to join his son in Brooklyn,
leaving behind his wife Raizel.

MUSIKANSKY – Gabriel – wife Celia, living in Amboy Street, Brooklyn,
according to Gabriel’s WW2 draft card. He worked for the K. M. Dress co. in
W 34th St, NY.

If anyone knows they are descended >from the above families please do contact
me.

Thank you.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


Viewmate VM9541 Family group may be POMERANTZ or MANDEL, Brooklyn photographer #general

NATALIE LAMB
 

I would be very grateful if anyone who is connected to a POMERANTZ or MANDEL
family would be kind enough to have a look at the photo that is posted as
VM9541.

It may be accessed at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9541

By the look of the clothes, I would guess that it was probably taken during
the 1930's, and the mount states that the photographer was in Brooklyn.

If you recognize anyone in the photo, please contact me privately at
Natalie.Lamb@btinternet.com and if you happen to know when the photographer
was in business and can put an approximate date to the photo that would also
be appreciated.

Many thanks
Natalie Lamb
Berkshire, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate VM9541 Family group may be POMERANTZ or MANDEL, Brooklyn photographer #general

NATALIE LAMB
 

I would be very grateful if anyone who is connected to a POMERANTZ or MANDEL
family would be kind enough to have a look at the photo that is posted as
VM9541.

It may be accessed at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9541

By the look of the clothes, I would guess that it was probably taken during
the 1930's, and the mount states that the photographer was in Brooklyn.

If you recognize anyone in the photo, please contact me privately at
Natalie.Lamb@btinternet.com and if you happen to know when the photographer
was in business and can put an approximate date to the photo that would also
be appreciated.

Many thanks
Natalie Lamb
Berkshire, England


Viewmate VM9555 Translation Request (Russian) #general

Michael McTeer <mcteer@...>
 

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9555

I am seeking a translation of the posted 1880 Polish birth record of Aron
KALKOPF. I wish to learn if this is my great grandfather supposedly the son
of Berek KALKOPF and Sora GUTHERTZ.

Please respond privately.

Thanks,

Michael McTeer
29 Palms, CA USA
mcteer@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate VM9555 Translation Request (Russian) #general

Michael McTeer <mcteer@...>
 

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9555

I am seeking a translation of the posted 1880 Polish birth record of Aron
KALKOPF. I wish to learn if this is my great grandfather supposedly the son
of Berek KALKOPF and Sora GUTHERTZ.

Please respond privately.

Thanks,

Michael McTeer
29 Palms, CA USA
mcteer@gmail.com


Pinkas Ha-Kehilot volumes (in Hebrew) are available in Los Angeles #germany

gersig@...
 

The Simon Wiesenthal Center Library in Los Angeles has a number of the
Pinkas Ha-Kehilot volumes as per the following link:

http://swc.legalinformationmanagement.com/

Enter Pinkas Ha-Kehilot in the title field
Enter Hebrew in the language field

That will bring up a list of these books including the 3 volumes on
Germany that I described in my report March 1.

Thanks to Werner Frank for this information.

John Paul Lowens, NYC, GerSIG Coordinator and Moderator "MOD1"


German SIG #Germany Pinkas Ha-Kehilot volumes (in Hebrew) are available in Los Angeles #germany

gersig@...
 

The Simon Wiesenthal Center Library in Los Angeles has a number of the
Pinkas Ha-Kehilot volumes as per the following link:

http://swc.legalinformationmanagement.com/

Enter Pinkas Ha-Kehilot in the title field
Enter Hebrew in the language field

That will bring up a list of these books including the 3 volumes on
Germany that I described in my report March 1.

Thanks to Werner Frank for this information.

John Paul Lowens, NYC, GerSIG Coordinator and Moderator "MOD1"


SPANGER from Prosek, Trieste. #austria-czech

Sanaa Taha <passengernumber7@...>
 

Subject: SPANGER >from Prosek, Trieste (1879-1935)
From: Sanaa Taha - San Miguel de Allende, Mexico -
e-mail: passengernumber7@yahoo.com

Hello everyone,
I am new to this Sig and am researching my mother's
ancestry. I go only as far back as my maternal
greatgrandfather, Ivan (Johann) SPANGER, who was born
in Prosek, a Slovenian village above Trieste in what
was then the Austro-Hungarian empire. He was nominally
a catholic, although really an atheist and I suspect
that the family was originally Jewish. >from my
research I have gathered the following:
- SPANGER is not a Slovenian or Italian surname and in
fact, the only bearers of this surname in the region
are Ivan's descendants. His family must have come from
another region or country sometime before 1879.
- SPANGER is a rare German surname and a variant of
SPANIER (which means Spaniard) and in fact there were
families in the Trier region of Germany which
liberally used one or the other. Apparently there have
not been any Jewish SPANGER families in Germany since
1600.
- There were Jewish Spanger families in Galicia,
Ukraina and Hungary until the Holocaust.
- A very kind German genealogist helped me trace these
SPANGER a little closer to Trieste:
1. Franz SPANGER in Bohemia, Prestav (Prestice?) in
1850.
2. a SPANGER family in Weissenbach am der Enns
(Steiermark, Austria)in 1764.
3. Anna Maria SPANGER, in Oberradkersburg (now Gornja
Radgona, Slovenia) in 1860.
4. Artur SPANGER in Radmansdorf (now Radovljica,
Slovenia) in 1878.

Does anyone know how I can trace further these
families in the labirinths of the Austro-Hungarian
burocracy?
I have also been exploring the possibility that this
surname arrived to Trieste >from the Banat region in
Hungary, which was settled by Germans in the 18th
century and the Gottschee (now Kocevje) region in
Slovenia (100 km. >from Trieste) which was settled by
Austrians in the 14th century. It was a German
speaking cultural island in the south of Slovenia for
600 years until the fall of the Austro-Hungarian
empire. Some of the settlers were Jewish and there was
a Jewish community in Gottschee.
This last sounds like a distinct possibility to me and
I have browsed through the Gottschee surnames I could
find (not many) and for now I haven't yet found the
surname SPANGER.
Any experts on the Gottschee among you? The Gottschee
Jews?
Thank you for bearing with me and best wishes to
everyone.

Sanaa Taha - San Miguel de Allende, Mexico


Juda ZELTMACHER - 1794 census and Prague Meldezettel, 1850. #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

No sooner had Randy and I decided that the Prague Meldezettel 1850-1914
http://digi.nacr.cz/prihlasky./ had not got beyond the letter *G*, and I sent
in a posting about this, I explored my WOTTITZ/UTTITZ names for links and found
a very interesting UTTITZ-ZUCKER link >from Schuttenhofen/Kundratitz, Bohemia.

Then I looked for ZUCKER and they are there too - galore. I went to the
1792-1794 census of Prague and picked out ZELTMACHER - to my big surprise they
are also there [90], and not only that, but Juda ZELTMACHER who is in the 1794
census of Prague has his Meldezettel online! Surely this is a record?

NB if you click on the date column, you can sort the entries by date. This is
valuable, as the earliest may be of greatest interest.

1794 Prague census:
Juda ZELTMACHER - Schneider ein Teilhaus
Eheweib: Rebekka - Fleckelhandlerin
Sons: Josef and Adam - both single

Please, now go to the Meldezettel; you can see Juda was born 1761 and Rebeka
was born in 1765. Juda died in 1827 - Rebeka appears still to be alive when
this was written in 1850 - so perhaps she was 85 and this is a very early
Meldezettel? Now look for son Josef and you find this:

Zeltmacher Josef (1791)
Zeltmacher Marie (1794)
Zeltmacher Moses (1815)
Zeltmacher Simon (1817)
Zeltmacher Veit (1819)
Zeltmacher Daniel (1821)
Zeltmacher Lazar (1826)
Zeltmacher Franziska (1827)

Sadly, I cannot find Adam. But what a genealogical "dream scenario."
It is a shame I can find no ZELTMACHER in the message archives, the JGFF, FTJP
or even yad vashem. They must have changed their name [see footnote for an
interesting connection to the name].

The explanation for the letter *Z* being there: I believe, like in Vienna,
these Meldezettel are filed alphabetically and *Z* is filed with *CZ*

see Peter Lowe's article:
http://www.jewishgen.org/bohmor/TOWNS/Austria/meldezettel.htm

So, lucky Siggers whose Prague family name start with *Z* - they will not have
to wait 6 years. This mean that Charlie and Ronnie Roberts have a great
ZUKERMANN [sic] AUFRICHTIG link on-line.

More revelations will follow no doubt.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Tentmaker: Omar-e Chajjam [Arabic for "Zeltmacher"] aka Omar Khayyam
http://www.gavagai.de/zitat/diverse/HHC91.htm and http://lexicorient.com/e.o/khayyam.htm


SITE CITE - Cumulative Index of Sharsheret Hadorot (Hebrew and English) #germany

Klausner
 

We are pleased to announce that the cumulative index of the bilingual
English-Hebrew Sharsheret Hadorot (Israel Genealogical Society), Volumes
1-20 (1987-2006) is now online, on the IGS Website:

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/BIB/SHD/shdMain.html

The index covers subjects, localities and names of authors and families.
The index is in English and the letters (E) and (H) indicate the language of
the article. Best wishes,

Yocheved Klausner, Editor Sharsheret Hadorot (bilingual: Hebrew and English)
Israel Genealogical Society (IGS) yklaus@netvision.net.il www.isragen.org.il


Seeking BERBERICH from Grosskrotzenburg now Hanau near Frankfurt a.M. #germany

doris gray <dorisgray@...>
 

Hello, I am looking for information on the BERBERICH family
of Grosskrotzenburg, a small town now part of Hanau near Frankfurt.

Sally BERBERICH born am 23.04.1891, died 1938, buried at the new Jewish
cemetary in Frankfurt.

His parents: Emanuel BERBERICH und Bonete BERBERICH, nee SOMMER died 1918.

Sally married in Elberfeld Registration-Number 36/1926.
His wife Laura Liesel BERBERICH, nee LOEWE, and their daughter Vera
Bonnete BERBERICH, were killed in Auschwitz in 1944.

There are several BERBERICH families >from Grosskrotzenburg and two
Sally Berberichs. The above one is the one whose relatives I am looking for.
Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Doris Gray, Tallhahassee, Florida dorisgray@earthlink.net


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech SPANGER from Prosek, Trieste. #austria-czech

Sanaa Taha <passengernumber7@...>
 

Subject: SPANGER >from Prosek, Trieste (1879-1935)
From: Sanaa Taha - San Miguel de Allende, Mexico -
e-mail: passengernumber7@yahoo.com

Hello everyone,
I am new to this Sig and am researching my mother's
ancestry. I go only as far back as my maternal
greatgrandfather, Ivan (Johann) SPANGER, who was born
in Prosek, a Slovenian village above Trieste in what
was then the Austro-Hungarian empire. He was nominally
a catholic, although really an atheist and I suspect
that the family was originally Jewish. >from my
research I have gathered the following:
- SPANGER is not a Slovenian or Italian surname and in
fact, the only bearers of this surname in the region
are Ivan's descendants. His family must have come from
another region or country sometime before 1879.
- SPANGER is a rare German surname and a variant of
SPANIER (which means Spaniard) and in fact there were
families in the Trier region of Germany which
liberally used one or the other. Apparently there have
not been any Jewish SPANGER families in Germany since
1600.
- There were Jewish Spanger families in Galicia,
Ukraina and Hungary until the Holocaust.
- A very kind German genealogist helped me trace these
SPANGER a little closer to Trieste:
1. Franz SPANGER in Bohemia, Prestav (Prestice?) in
1850.
2. a SPANGER family in Weissenbach am der Enns
(Steiermark, Austria)in 1764.
3. Anna Maria SPANGER, in Oberradkersburg (now Gornja
Radgona, Slovenia) in 1860.
4. Artur SPANGER in Radmansdorf (now Radovljica,
Slovenia) in 1878.

Does anyone know how I can trace further these
families in the labirinths of the Austro-Hungarian
burocracy?
I have also been exploring the possibility that this
surname arrived to Trieste >from the Banat region in
Hungary, which was settled by Germans in the 18th
century and the Gottschee (now Kocevje) region in
Slovenia (100 km. >from Trieste) which was settled by
Austrians in the 14th century. It was a German
speaking cultural island in the south of Slovenia for
600 years until the fall of the Austro-Hungarian
empire. Some of the settlers were Jewish and there was
a Jewish community in Gottschee.
This last sounds like a distinct possibility to me and
I have browsed through the Gottschee surnames I could
find (not many) and for now I haven't yet found the
surname SPANGER.
Any experts on the Gottschee among you? The Gottschee
Jews?
Thank you for bearing with me and best wishes to
everyone.

Sanaa Taha - San Miguel de Allende, Mexico


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Juda ZELTMACHER - 1794 census and Prague Meldezettel, 1850. #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

No sooner had Randy and I decided that the Prague Meldezettel 1850-1914
http://digi.nacr.cz/prihlasky./ had not got beyond the letter *G*, and I sent
in a posting about this, I explored my WOTTITZ/UTTITZ names for links and found
a very interesting UTTITZ-ZUCKER link >from Schuttenhofen/Kundratitz, Bohemia.

Then I looked for ZUCKER and they are there too - galore. I went to the
1792-1794 census of Prague and picked out ZELTMACHER - to my big surprise they
are also there [90], and not only that, but Juda ZELTMACHER who is in the 1794
census of Prague has his Meldezettel online! Surely this is a record?

NB if you click on the date column, you can sort the entries by date. This is
valuable, as the earliest may be of greatest interest.

1794 Prague census:
Juda ZELTMACHER - Schneider ein Teilhaus
Eheweib: Rebekka - Fleckelhandlerin
Sons: Josef and Adam - both single

Please, now go to the Meldezettel; you can see Juda was born 1761 and Rebeka
was born in 1765. Juda died in 1827 - Rebeka appears still to be alive when
this was written in 1850 - so perhaps she was 85 and this is a very early
Meldezettel? Now look for son Josef and you find this:

Zeltmacher Josef (1791)
Zeltmacher Marie (1794)
Zeltmacher Moses (1815)
Zeltmacher Simon (1817)
Zeltmacher Veit (1819)
Zeltmacher Daniel (1821)
Zeltmacher Lazar (1826)
Zeltmacher Franziska (1827)

Sadly, I cannot find Adam. But what a genealogical "dream scenario."
It is a shame I can find no ZELTMACHER in the message archives, the JGFF, FTJP
or even yad vashem. They must have changed their name [see footnote for an
interesting connection to the name].

The explanation for the letter *Z* being there: I believe, like in Vienna,
these Meldezettel are filed alphabetically and *Z* is filed with *CZ*

see Peter Lowe's article:
http://www.jewishgen.org/bohmor/TOWNS/Austria/meldezettel.htm

So, lucky Siggers whose Prague family name start with *Z* - they will not have
to wait 6 years. This mean that Charlie and Ronnie Roberts have a great
ZUKERMANN [sic] AUFRICHTIG link on-line.

More revelations will follow no doubt.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Tentmaker: Omar-e Chajjam [Arabic for "Zeltmacher"] aka Omar Khayyam
http://www.gavagai.de/zitat/diverse/HHC91.htm and http://lexicorient.com/e.o/khayyam.htm


German SIG #Germany SITE CITE - Cumulative Index of Sharsheret Hadorot (Hebrew and English) #germany

Klausner
 

We are pleased to announce that the cumulative index of the bilingual
English-Hebrew Sharsheret Hadorot (Israel Genealogical Society), Volumes
1-20 (1987-2006) is now online, on the IGS Website:

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/BIB/SHD/shdMain.html

The index covers subjects, localities and names of authors and families.
The index is in English and the letters (E) and (H) indicate the language of
the article. Best wishes,

Yocheved Klausner, Editor Sharsheret Hadorot (bilingual: Hebrew and English)
Israel Genealogical Society (IGS) yklaus@netvision.net.il www.isragen.org.il


German SIG #Germany Seeking BERBERICH from Grosskrotzenburg now Hanau near Frankfurt a.M. #germany

doris gray <dorisgray@...>
 

Hello, I am looking for information on the BERBERICH family
of Grosskrotzenburg, a small town now part of Hanau near Frankfurt.

Sally BERBERICH born am 23.04.1891, died 1938, buried at the new Jewish
cemetary in Frankfurt.

His parents: Emanuel BERBERICH und Bonete BERBERICH, nee SOMMER died 1918.

Sally married in Elberfeld Registration-Number 36/1926.
His wife Laura Liesel BERBERICH, nee LOEWE, and their daughter Vera
Bonnete BERBERICH, were killed in Auschwitz in 1944.

There are several BERBERICH families >from Grosskrotzenburg and two
Sally Berberichs. The above one is the one whose relatives I am looking for.
Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Doris Gray, Tallhahassee, Florida dorisgray@earthlink.net


Who knew Chaim Glaser #austria-czech

arie meir
 

Hi to all of you.

My grandfather Chaim Glaser was married to my grandmother Chaya (Helena)
They both lived in Vienna and had three children. One of them Cilli Mayer
was my mother.

In the early twenties my garandparents got divorced and my grandfather
moved to Prezemysl where he got married again. >from this marriage he had
one daughter named Dvora. His second wife name was Rachla ( her maiden name
was Stolzberg ). She passed away before ww2 .The last time we heard >from my
grandfather and his daughter was in 1939.

If any one of you recognized my grandfather or know what happened to him and
his daughter please let me know. You can see his photo in VM9534

(http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate)

Arieh Mayer
Haifa Israel


FREUND Moses born Prague 1836 died Voslau - buried Baden 1890 #austria-czech

Andrew Schwartz <anschwartz@...>
 

Celia:

Once again, you have found members of my FREUND family. What a gold mine
this database is. I briefly looked through it and found ancestors I knew
about and dozens of potential ancestors. Thank you.

... Andy Schwartz, St. Louis, researching FREUND >from Bohemia.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Who knew Chaim Glaser #austria-czech

arie meir
 

Hi to all of you.

My grandfather Chaim Glaser was married to my grandmother Chaya (Helena)
They both lived in Vienna and had three children. One of them Cilli Mayer
was my mother.

In the early twenties my garandparents got divorced and my grandfather
moved to Prezemysl where he got married again. >from this marriage he had
one daughter named Dvora. His second wife name was Rachla ( her maiden name
was Stolzberg ). She passed away before ww2 .The last time we heard >from my
grandfather and his daughter was in 1939.

If any one of you recognized my grandfather or know what happened to him and
his daughter please let me know. You can see his photo in VM9534

(http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate)

Arieh Mayer
Haifa Israel


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech FREUND Moses born Prague 1836 died Voslau - buried Baden 1890 #austria-czech

Andrew Schwartz <anschwartz@...>
 

Celia:

Once again, you have found members of my FREUND family. What a gold mine
this database is. I briefly looked through it and found ancestors I knew
about and dozens of potential ancestors. Thank you.

... Andy Schwartz, St. Louis, researching FREUND >from Bohemia.