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LEVITAN/ISAACS/BERKOWITZ - Johannesburg, Cape Town
#southafrica
Joseph Lonstein
I'm searching for any information about or the descendants of a newly
discovered brother of my great-great-grandmother. His name was Morris LEVITAN, born in Siauliai (Shavli) Lithuania about 1860, and was stated as living at 62A Height St., Doornfontein, Johannesburg in legal documents >from NYC dated 1943 and 1947. His father was Yehuda Asher (Yudel) LEVITAN and his mother was possibly named Leibe Schneider of Shavli. I am also searching for a way to make contact with the descendants of a newly discovered sister of my gggm (and a sister of the Morris described above). She was Breina/Bella LEVITAN (b. Shavli 1861, died 1933) married to Herman Isaacs. The couple lived in Belleville Cape Town but she passed away in Rondebosch. Their children were sons Joseph and Harold BERKELEY (BERKOWITZ), and daughters Shaila (married Adolf FREEDBERG), Tilly (married Harold BLOCH), Pearl (married Joseph LYNN), and Lillian (married Louis BLOCH). I am aware there are two family trees for this generation of the ISAACS/BERKOWITZ family online, but I haven't received responses >from the managers of those trees and can't find contact information online for any of the named descendants. Thanks very much for any assistance. Joe Lonstein East Lansing, Michigan, USA
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica LEVITAN/ISAACS/BERKOWITZ - Johannesburg, Cape Town
#southafrica
Joseph Lonstein
I'm searching for any information about or the descendants of a newly
discovered brother of my great-great-grandmother. His name was Morris LEVITAN, born in Siauliai (Shavli) Lithuania about 1860, and was stated as living at 62A Height St., Doornfontein, Johannesburg in legal documents >from NYC dated 1943 and 1947. His father was Yehuda Asher (Yudel) LEVITAN and his mother was possibly named Leibe Schneider of Shavli. I am also searching for a way to make contact with the descendants of a newly discovered sister of my gggm (and a sister of the Morris described above). She was Breina/Bella LEVITAN (b. Shavli 1861, died 1933) married to Herman Isaacs. The couple lived in Belleville Cape Town but she passed away in Rondebosch. Their children were sons Joseph and Harold BERKELEY (BERKOWITZ), and daughters Shaila (married Adolf FREEDBERG), Tilly (married Harold BLOCH), Pearl (married Joseph LYNN), and Lillian (married Louis BLOCH). I am aware there are two family trees for this generation of the ISAACS/BERKOWITZ family online, but I haven't received responses >from the managers of those trees and can't find contact information online for any of the named descendants. Thanks very much for any assistance. Joe Lonstein East Lansing, Michigan, USA
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Meaning of Nothandler / Noethandler (o umlaut) - occupation
#germany
Peter Dreifuss
Dear fellow Gersiggers,
Several of my ancestors >from Baden in the 18th and 19th centuries were described as Noethandler / "Nothandler" (the o is written with an umlaut). My understanding of the term is somewhat vague, but generally one reserved for the occupation of Jews who were peddlers or traders of petty items. Can anyone provide more clarity on this occupation perhaps with some examples or with a reference? Peter Dreifuss, Burtonsville, MD USA
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German SIG #Germany Meaning of Nothandler / Noethandler (o umlaut) - occupation
#germany
Peter Dreifuss
Dear fellow Gersiggers,
Several of my ancestors >from Baden in the 18th and 19th centuries were described as Noethandler / "Nothandler" (the o is written with an umlaut). My understanding of the term is somewhat vague, but generally one reserved for the occupation of Jews who were peddlers or traders of petty items. Can anyone provide more clarity on this occupation perhaps with some examples or with a reference? Peter Dreifuss, Burtonsville, MD USA
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Re: Family Finder question
#dna
elanc@...
Dear Elaine,
A two-step match in a 37 marker YDNA test is not very close. The common ancestor probably lived ten or more generations ago. So don't assume that the Y and autosomal (FF) matches came >from the same ancestor. Intermarriage of distant cousins was quite common, particularly in the little shtetls of eastern Europe, where everyone knew one another and the choice of spouses was limited. For most of us with Ashkenazi ancestry the paper trail disappears in the early 1800s, and most of the Y-DNA matches pre-date that time. So the chance of correlating a DNA match with your documented family tree is small. Elan Caspi Belmont, CA --- From: Elaine Bush <erbush@...> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:20:43 -0700 I have FF results for myself and for my maternal first cousin. Is it safe to say that if there is a match on my FF list who does not turn up anywhere on his FF list, that that match comes >from my paternal side? It would seem so, but one of my results odd: My maternal male cousin has a yDNA match 37 markers, 2 steps. This Y match match turns up on my FF results as 4th to remote, however does not turn up at all on my cousin's FF results. The yDNA is different >from my brother's, and so I guess this elusive FF match could be >from my paternal grandmother's side?
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DNA Research #DNA Re: Family Finder question
#dna
elanc@...
Dear Elaine,
A two-step match in a 37 marker YDNA test is not very close. The common ancestor probably lived ten or more generations ago. So don't assume that the Y and autosomal (FF) matches came >from the same ancestor. Intermarriage of distant cousins was quite common, particularly in the little shtetls of eastern Europe, where everyone knew one another and the choice of spouses was limited. For most of us with Ashkenazi ancestry the paper trail disappears in the early 1800s, and most of the Y-DNA matches pre-date that time. So the chance of correlating a DNA match with your documented family tree is small. Elan Caspi Belmont, CA --- From: Elaine Bush <erbush@...> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:20:43 -0700 I have FF results for myself and for my maternal first cousin. Is it safe to say that if there is a match on my FF list who does not turn up anywhere on his FF list, that that match comes >from my paternal side? It would seem so, but one of my results odd: My maternal male cousin has a yDNA match 37 markers, 2 steps. This Y match match turns up on my FF results as 4th to remote, however does not turn up at all on my cousin's FF results. The yDNA is different >from my brother's, and so I guess this elusive FF match could be >from my paternal grandmother's side?
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SCHWAAB-Grebenau,Germany - death notice Aufbau 1960
#germany
Sandy Rothschild <sbr19@...>
Ida SONNENBLICK nee SCHWAB >from Grebenau, Germany, passed away in 1960.
Her husband Josef put a memorial announcement into the German paper "Aufbau". He listed as relatives Leopold and Selma SCHWAB,living in Brooklyn, Julius and Freidel SCHWAB in New York, Albert and Trude SCHWAB in New York and Herman and Addy STERN living in Victoria, Australia. I would love to contact any family member of these people to exchange information. Sandy Rothschild, sbr19@... New York
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German SIG #Germany SCHWAAB-Grebenau,Germany - death notice Aufbau 1960
#germany
Sandy Rothschild <sbr19@...>
Ida SONNENBLICK nee SCHWAB >from Grebenau, Germany, passed away in 1960.
Her husband Josef put a memorial announcement into the German paper "Aufbau". He listed as relatives Leopold and Selma SCHWAB,living in Brooklyn, Julius and Freidel SCHWAB in New York, Albert and Trude SCHWAB in New York and Herman and Addy STERN living in Victoria, Australia. I would love to contact any family member of these people to exchange information. Sandy Rothschild, sbr19@... New York
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Beniaminovich / Bonevich
#general
Israel P
There are two Zalman Rosenblium listed among the 1906 Duma voters in
Borisov (Belarus). One has the patronymic Beniaminovich and the other Bonevich. The first is clearly Benyamin and the second sounds like Bunem, a diminuitive of Binyamin. Would these be two people or the same person twice? Israel Pickholtz Jerusalem
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Beniaminovich / Bonevich
#general
Israel P
There are two Zalman Rosenblium listed among the 1906 Duma voters in
Borisov (Belarus). One has the patronymic Beniaminovich and the other Bonevich. The first is clearly Benyamin and the second sounds like Bunem, a diminuitive of Binyamin. Would these be two people or the same person twice? Israel Pickholtz Jerusalem
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tombstone translations Hebrew to English request: KARP on Viewmate now
#general
Barrie Karp
Today I posted to Viewmate 3 images of two tombstones with request for
translation (Hebrew to English) & any interpretations or information about issues, if appropriate. For example, I do not understand what "Dov Ber ben Sholom" means. view mate numbers: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=29586 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=29587 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=29588 These are my paternal grandparents: Bernhardt Karp Regina Karp buried Darling Street Cemetery of (former synagogue) B'nai Jacob, Wilkes-Barre, PA. (Now, Congregation Ohav Zedek) Thank you very much. Barrie Karp barriekarp@... New York City ! KARP (Romania), KARP (Ukraine), WIEN (Romania), WIEN (Ukraine), BERKOWITZ (Romania), BERKOWITZ (Ukraine), WEISS (Hungary/Mukaveco/Ukraine) (Cohain), BURKOWITZ (Hungary/Mukaveco/Ukraine), GREENBAUM (Hungary/Mukaveco/Ukraine), FOX, FUKS, FUCHS (Hungary/Mukaveco/Ukraine),TUCHFELD, TUDFELA, TUDJELA (Romania, Ukraine); KLEIN (Hungary/Mukaveco/Ukraine), ENGEL MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately or on the ViewMate response form.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen tombstone translations Hebrew to English request: KARP on Viewmate now
#general
Barrie Karp
Today I posted to Viewmate 3 images of two tombstones with request for
translation (Hebrew to English) & any interpretations or information about issues, if appropriate. For example, I do not understand what "Dov Ber ben Sholom" means. view mate numbers: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=29586 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=29587 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=29588 These are my paternal grandparents: Bernhardt Karp Regina Karp buried Darling Street Cemetery of (former synagogue) B'nai Jacob, Wilkes-Barre, PA. (Now, Congregation Ohav Zedek) Thank you very much. Barrie Karp barriekarp@... New York City ! KARP (Romania), KARP (Ukraine), WIEN (Romania), WIEN (Ukraine), BERKOWITZ (Romania), BERKOWITZ (Ukraine), WEISS (Hungary/Mukaveco/Ukraine) (Cohain), BURKOWITZ (Hungary/Mukaveco/Ukraine), GREENBAUM (Hungary/Mukaveco/Ukraine), FOX, FUKS, FUCHS (Hungary/Mukaveco/Ukraine),TUCHFELD, TUDFELA, TUDJELA (Romania, Ukraine); KLEIN (Hungary/Mukaveco/Ukraine), ENGEL MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately or on the ViewMate response form.
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Re: Family Finder Question
#dna
sbloom@...
I have FF results for myself and for my maternal first cousin. Is itNo, not necessarily. All of these match determinations are based on probability. That is, based on t he amount of DNA you share with someone (roughly speaking), you have a particular chance of being related to this same person in a precise way, such as "5th cousin", etc. However, there is always the chance that people who are only distantly related via an ancestor who lived almost 1000 years ago will show up on a match list as much closer, and vice versa: that is, people who are actually closely related may not show up in a match list all. The only way to be more sure is to test additional cousins. I will add that because you tested a first cousin, and the amount of dna shared with this person is relatively high, the chances that the situation ends up being as you concluded are reasonably high, but not definite by any means. It would seem so, but one of my results odd: My maternalI assume this is the same maternal cousin you mentioned above? Whether it is or not, the results are common, as described above. People can "seem" more or less distant than they actually are. Generally speaking though, the combo of FF and ydna seems to confirm the relationship in your tree. This seems the same as above, and is the case for similar sorts of reasons. The yDNA is different >from my brother's, and so I guess this elusiveI see what you are saying, but if the unexplained FF match is any kind of distant-ish cousin, there are many different ways he could have ended up with different ydna and still be >from almost any maternal or paternal branch. I wish it were easier, but making such conclusions is very difficult without testing many cousins, sometimes with both FF and Ydna. Steven D. Bloom
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DNA Research #DNA Re: Family Finder Question
#dna
sbloom@...
I have FF results for myself and for my maternal first cousin. Is itNo, not necessarily. All of these match determinations are based on probability. That is, based on t he amount of DNA you share with someone (roughly speaking), you have a particular chance of being related to this same person in a precise way, such as "5th cousin", etc. However, there is always the chance that people who are only distantly related via an ancestor who lived almost 1000 years ago will show up on a match list as much closer, and vice versa: that is, people who are actually closely related may not show up in a match list all. The only way to be more sure is to test additional cousins. I will add that because you tested a first cousin, and the amount of dna shared with this person is relatively high, the chances that the situation ends up being as you concluded are reasonably high, but not definite by any means. It would seem so, but one of my results odd: My maternalI assume this is the same maternal cousin you mentioned above? Whether it is or not, the results are common, as described above. People can "seem" more or less distant than they actually are. Generally speaking though, the combo of FF and ydna seems to confirm the relationship in your tree. This seems the same as above, and is the case for similar sorts of reasons. The yDNA is different >from my brother's, and so I guess this elusiveI see what you are saying, but if the unexplained FF match is any kind of distant-ish cousin, there are many different ways he could have ended up with different ydna and still be >from almost any maternal or paternal branch. I wish it were easier, but making such conclusions is very difficult without testing many cousins, sometimes with both FF and Ydna. Steven D. Bloom
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SCHWAB, Grebenau
#general
Sandy Rothschild <sbr19@...>
Ida SONNENBLICK nee SCHWAB >from Grebenau, Germany, passed away in 1960. Her
husband Josef put a memorial announcement into the German paper "Aufbau" He listed as relatives Leopold and Selma SCHWAB,living in Brooklyn, Julius and Freidel SCHWAB in New York, Albert and Trude SCHWAB in New York and Herman and Addy STERN living in Victoria, Australia. I would love to contact any family member of these people to exchange information. Sandy Rothschild sbr19@... New York
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SCHWAB, Grebenau
#general
Sandy Rothschild <sbr19@...>
Ida SONNENBLICK nee SCHWAB >from Grebenau, Germany, passed away in 1960. Her
husband Josef put a memorial announcement into the German paper "Aufbau" He listed as relatives Leopold and Selma SCHWAB,living in Brooklyn, Julius and Freidel SCHWAB in New York, Albert and Trude SCHWAB in New York and Herman and Addy STERN living in Victoria, Australia. I would love to contact any family member of these people to exchange information. Sandy Rothschild sbr19@... New York
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ViewMate translation request - Polish to English or French
#general
Patrick Atlas <patrick.atlas@...>
Hello,
I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a loose translation. It is the transcription of my second great-grandparents' marriage. I can read some words, date (luty means february?), but I miss some details. Thanks for the translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ... http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM29545 Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application. Patrick Atlas ATLAS REIZES CHAMEIDES GELBERGER CAJFINGER ROZENCWAJG
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation request - Polish to English or French
#general
Patrick Atlas <patrick.atlas@...>
Hello,
I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a loose translation. It is the transcription of my second great-grandparents' marriage. I can read some words, date (luty means february?), but I miss some details. Thanks for the translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ... http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM29545 Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application. Patrick Atlas ATLAS REIZES CHAMEIDES GELBERGER CAJFINGER ROZENCWAJG
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Re: Dowry in 1870's Warsaw
#general
Chesky Wertman <chesk770@...>
I was unable to find the actual current value but it seems that it
was the equivalent of an annual worker's salary. For example, in 1873 Dostoyevsky worked as a columnist for "The Citizen" and earned 3,000 per year. Hope this is helpful, Chesky Wertman Researching: WERTMAN, (Tarnogrod), KNOCHEN (Tarnogrod), LERNER (Kaminetz-Podolsk), ROSEN(Kaminetz-Podolsk), ARONOFF/ARONOW (Staradub, Mglin, Chernigov) KRAUSS/KRASILSCHIKOFF, (Staradub) GABRILOWITZ>COHEN (Stolpce, Nyzavizh), MOSKOWITZ (Stolpce, Nyzavizh). --- Recently I had the prenuptial agreement between my great great grandparents translated. There it was stated that the bride's dowry was worth in total 3000 rubles. What could you get for 3000 rubles in Warsaw, Poland, in the late 19th century (1876 to be exact)? What would the sum correspond to today? I have encountered several suggestions but I haven't found any reliable source.
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Mt. Carmel Cemetery Queens NY
#general
Puffins@...
I have relatives buried at Mt. Carmel Cemetery, Flushing, Queens, NY and I
would like to obtain photos of their headstones. I see that there are over 86,000 burials there but there are no photographs on Find a Grave. I am wondering if someone can explain this to me? There are over 500 requests. It seems strange that there are no photos at all on Find A Grave. I'm wondering if something is listed "incorrectly" that has to do with that cemetery? If anyone can offer a suggestion I would appreciate it. Thank you very much. Donna Eschen California
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