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Re: dna test to prove parentage
#dna
Sarah L Meyer
I have many mtDNA matches but I only tested HVR1, and the mtDNA mutates so
slowly that it is very hard to sort out. Futhermore, while I am 100% Jewish and my maternal ancestors were in Europe through the early 1900s, many of my matches earliest ancestors were in the US in the 1700s. I find this almost useless (but not quite). If the mt DNA has different haplotypes it would be easy to see that they are not mother and daughter, but I suspect that even if they match it would not prove anything. Also it is my understanding that the full mtDNA might have medical information that people would not want to share. But what about combining the HVR1 mtDNA and the family finder test? I think that would cost less than a full mtDNA, and give the indication of how close the relationship is with the autosomal chromosomes. Plus as an advantage there would not be any unwanted (or unwilling to share) medical information. A third possibility is to talk to the DNA companies that provide paternity/maternity testing. They would be using their own tests, would not share any medical information and they set up to be used in a court of law? Sarah L M Christiansen Georgetown, TX
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DNA Research #DNA RE: dna test to prove parentage
#dna
Sarah L Meyer
I have many mtDNA matches but I only tested HVR1, and the mtDNA mutates so
slowly that it is very hard to sort out. Futhermore, while I am 100% Jewish and my maternal ancestors were in Europe through the early 1900s, many of my matches earliest ancestors were in the US in the 1700s. I find this almost useless (but not quite). If the mt DNA has different haplotypes it would be easy to see that they are not mother and daughter, but I suspect that even if they match it would not prove anything. Also it is my understanding that the full mtDNA might have medical information that people would not want to share. But what about combining the HVR1 mtDNA and the family finder test? I think that would cost less than a full mtDNA, and give the indication of how close the relationship is with the autosomal chromosomes. Plus as an advantage there would not be any unwanted (or unwilling to share) medical information. A third possibility is to talk to the DNA companies that provide paternity/maternity testing. They would be using their own tests, would not share any medical information and they set up to be used in a court of law? Sarah L M Christiansen Georgetown, TX
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searching for a absent from 1916
#general
אברהם <avraham997@...>
Dear Friends
As is known in World War I , recruited many Jews , and Jews fought for both sides , as a was young I heard all kinds of stories of heroism , of the Auer Jewish brother the Children of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob , the Holy Fathers , without any choice, and fear God forbid , have to kill their fellow Jews who are on the enemy, they shot themselves Although my grandfather was born Nasaud Romania, recruited >from city Bratislava in Slovakia , alongside Franz Josef , one day in 1916, an envelope arrived home with a picture that was in the pocket >from my grandfather , and behind it was written, Zvi Yekutiel (carol) Gewirtz soldier was killed by a bullet. , I searched and have not found any document or records , death certificate ,I wish asking for help >from members here may have knowledge someone direct me to search correctly and getting correct information Thank you for all and any assistance. Please contact me privately. avraham997@... avraham lapa israel
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching for a absent from 1916
#general
אברהם <avraham997@...>
Dear Friends
As is known in World War I , recruited many Jews , and Jews fought for both sides , as a was young I heard all kinds of stories of heroism , of the Auer Jewish brother the Children of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob , the Holy Fathers , without any choice, and fear God forbid , have to kill their fellow Jews who are on the enemy, they shot themselves Although my grandfather was born Nasaud Romania, recruited >from city Bratislava in Slovakia , alongside Franz Josef , one day in 1916, an envelope arrived home with a picture that was in the pocket >from my grandfather , and behind it was written, Zvi Yekutiel (carol) Gewirtz soldier was killed by a bullet. , I searched and have not found any document or records , death certificate ,I wish asking for help >from members here may have knowledge someone direct me to search correctly and getting correct information Thank you for all and any assistance. Please contact me privately. avraham997@... avraham lapa israel
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Help: KLIN and TIMBERG from Chrzanow (near Krakow)
#general
Ofer Manela
Dear all,
I'm looking for any tip, information or any other help in breaking a brick wall. During the last two years I've tried to find information in many sources about my grandmother's family, and couldn't find anything. I hope somebody here can give me a new direction or a new piece of information. My grandmother's name is Tzipora Fajga MANELA nee KLIN-TIMBERG (b. 1916 Chrzanow). Her parents were Hersz Zvi KLIN (a family of Kohanim) and Golda KLIN nee TIMBERG (b. circa 1882 - d. 1942). The parents of Golda were Yehuda TIMBERG and Hendl Chana. Hersz Zvi KLIN died between 1920 and 1933. It is possible that his mother's name was Chana, but I'm not sure. My grandmother's siblings were Yehuda, Chaim, and Anna (Chana) REIFER, all perished in the Holocaust. The information I have is based on Pages of Testimony filled out by my grandmother. I couldn't find anything else about the family. (I've tried all Jewishgen's databases, shoreshim.org, Yad-Vashem databases, Dan Hirschberg's Krakow family trees). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ofer Manela Petach-Tikva Researching: MANELA, KWART, GOLDRAT Everywhere LANDAU/LANDA Szczekociny, Wolbrom, Piotrkow Trybunalski, Rozprza, New York City ROZENBERG, RATHAJZER, PANSKI Szczekociny LINDNER/LONDNER Szczekociny, Zarnowiec, Koniecpol LEWI Koniecpol KLIN/KLEIN, TIMBERG Chrzanow, Krakow
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help: KLIN and TIMBERG from Chrzanow (near Krakow)
#general
Ofer Manela
Dear all,
I'm looking for any tip, information or any other help in breaking a brick wall. During the last two years I've tried to find information in many sources about my grandmother's family, and couldn't find anything. I hope somebody here can give me a new direction or a new piece of information. My grandmother's name is Tzipora Fajga MANELA nee KLIN-TIMBERG (b. 1916 Chrzanow). Her parents were Hersz Zvi KLIN (a family of Kohanim) and Golda KLIN nee TIMBERG (b. circa 1882 - d. 1942). The parents of Golda were Yehuda TIMBERG and Hendl Chana. Hersz Zvi KLIN died between 1920 and 1933. It is possible that his mother's name was Chana, but I'm not sure. My grandmother's siblings were Yehuda, Chaim, and Anna (Chana) REIFER, all perished in the Holocaust. The information I have is based on Pages of Testimony filled out by my grandmother. I couldn't find anything else about the family. (I've tried all Jewishgen's databases, shoreshim.org, Yad-Vashem databases, Dan Hirschberg's Krakow family trees). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ofer Manela Petach-Tikva Researching: MANELA, KWART, GOLDRAT Everywhere LANDAU/LANDA Szczekociny, Wolbrom, Piotrkow Trybunalski, Rozprza, New York City ROZENBERG, RATHAJZER, PANSKI Szczekociny LINDNER/LONDNER Szczekociny, Zarnowiec, Koniecpol LEWI Koniecpol KLIN/KLEIN, TIMBERG Chrzanow, Krakow
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Makova Lemberger family
#rabbinic
Neil@...
Trying to sort out who's who here.
How does Menachem Mendel of Jerusalem, died 2011 tie in? Father of Israel Aaron, Shimon, Shlomo and Asher What I have is - G13.2. R. Judah Leib Lwow-Lemberger, born in Pressburg in 1843, ABD Roznai and then Tchetenek. G14.1. R. Abraham Zvi Hirsch Lwow-Lemberger, born in 1884 and died in Nyrbator on 6 Shvat, 1941. He studied under the Shevet Sofer and R. Solomon Zalman Breier (Breyer) in Frankfurt-on-Main. He became ABD Nyrbator until his death. G14.2. R. Moes Haim Isaac Lwow-Lemberger, born in Tchetenek in 1895, married the daughter of R. Solomon Judah Leib Singer, ABD Rima-Sombat. He studied under the Shevet Sofer and R. Solomon Zalman Breier in Frankfurt-on-Main and became ABD Roznai in 1902. G14.3. R. Samuel Lwow-Lemberger, born in 1886 and died in Tel Aviv on 19 Av, 1960. He studied under R. Solomon Zalman Breier, ABD Yergen from 1909 and settled in Tel Aviv.G14.4. R. Menachem Mendel Lwow-Lemberger, born in Tchetenek in 1876 and died in Tisza-fulgar on 19 Tishrei 1943/44, married the daughter of R. Moses Nathan Nata Jungreis, ABD Tisza-fired, son of R. Asher Anschel Jungreis, ABD Czager, the Menuchat Asher. He studied under the Shevet Sofer and R. Solomon Zalman Brier. He was ABD Tisza-fulgar from about 1910. G15.1. R. Moses Nathan Nata Lemberger, ABD Makova-Kiryat Ata, 1909 and died 20 Cheshvan, 1982, author of Ateret Moshe and student of R. Shalom Eliezer Halberstam of Raatzfort. G16. R. Shimon Lemberger, died 20 Cheshvan married ???Sarah Leah, died 9 Av Brother-in-law of Chaim Halpern. G17. Sarah Leah, married R. Abraham Mordecai Rokeach in August 1993, son of the Belzer Rebbe. G15.2. R. Judah Leib Lemberger, ABD Serentch-Brooklyn, NY. G15.3. Daughter married R. Asher Samuel Paneth of Jerusalem, son of R. Jehiel Mier Paneth, ABD Hidlomosh. -- Neil Rosenstein
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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Makova Lemberger family
#rabbinic
Neil@...
Trying to sort out who's who here.
How does Menachem Mendel of Jerusalem, died 2011 tie in? Father of Israel Aaron, Shimon, Shlomo and Asher What I have is - G13.2. R. Judah Leib Lwow-Lemberger, born in Pressburg in 1843, ABD Roznai and then Tchetenek. G14.1. R. Abraham Zvi Hirsch Lwow-Lemberger, born in 1884 and died in Nyrbator on 6 Shvat, 1941. He studied under the Shevet Sofer and R. Solomon Zalman Breier (Breyer) in Frankfurt-on-Main. He became ABD Nyrbator until his death. G14.2. R. Moes Haim Isaac Lwow-Lemberger, born in Tchetenek in 1895, married the daughter of R. Solomon Judah Leib Singer, ABD Rima-Sombat. He studied under the Shevet Sofer and R. Solomon Zalman Breier in Frankfurt-on-Main and became ABD Roznai in 1902. G14.3. R. Samuel Lwow-Lemberger, born in 1886 and died in Tel Aviv on 19 Av, 1960. He studied under R. Solomon Zalman Breier, ABD Yergen from 1909 and settled in Tel Aviv.G14.4. R. Menachem Mendel Lwow-Lemberger, born in Tchetenek in 1876 and died in Tisza-fulgar on 19 Tishrei 1943/44, married the daughter of R. Moses Nathan Nata Jungreis, ABD Tisza-fired, son of R. Asher Anschel Jungreis, ABD Czager, the Menuchat Asher. He studied under the Shevet Sofer and R. Solomon Zalman Brier. He was ABD Tisza-fulgar from about 1910. G15.1. R. Moses Nathan Nata Lemberger, ABD Makova-Kiryat Ata, 1909 and died 20 Cheshvan, 1982, author of Ateret Moshe and student of R. Shalom Eliezer Halberstam of Raatzfort. G16. R. Shimon Lemberger, died 20 Cheshvan married ???Sarah Leah, died 9 Av Brother-in-law of Chaim Halpern. G17. Sarah Leah, married R. Abraham Mordecai Rokeach in August 1993, son of the Belzer Rebbe. G15.2. R. Judah Leib Lemberger, ABD Serentch-Brooklyn, NY. G15.3. Daughter married R. Asher Samuel Paneth of Jerusalem, son of R. Jehiel Mier Paneth, ABD Hidlomosh. -- Neil Rosenstein
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Re: Where are Danish Altona Records to be found?
#scandinavia
Elsebeth Paikin
Dear Alan,
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Actually I found them in my own database (Danish Jews) and you know what? My source is JewishGen's Family Tree of the Jewish People! There are Bella's parents and Moshe Joshua's parents and grandfather! So you might find a relative on the Family Tree ... Best wishes Elsebeth Paikin Den 25-11-2013 22:23, Alan Ehrlich skrev:
My great great grandparents (Moses Josua and Betty Hertz) got married about
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Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: Where are Danish Altona Records to be found?
#scandinavia
Elsebeth Paikin
Dear Alan,
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Actually I found them in my own database (Danish Jews) and you know what? My source is JewishGen's Family Tree of the Jewish People! There are Bella's parents and Moshe Joshua's parents and grandfather! So you might find a relative on the Family Tree ... Best wishes Elsebeth Paikin Den 25-11-2013 22:23, Alan Ehrlich skrev:
My great great grandparents (Moses Josua and Betty Hertz) got married about
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Re: Where are Danish Altona Records to be found?
#scandinavia
Elsebeth Paikin
Dear Alan,
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The census of 1803 can be found on the Danish Demographic Database http://ddd.dda.dk/ Click on "Folketællinger" = Census (marked with red) Then click on the first link beneath "Søg personer" = search for persons Then fill in "Navn" = Name and then go down to "Som boede: Amt:" meaning "who lived: County" and choose then go down to the button below to the right "Søg" = Search and you get a list of all those with the name if you find a name you want to look at click on "Vis husstand" (which will take you to a list of all those living together with the person you have chosen. This way you will find "Bella Hertz" and looking at the info on those living in the house you get: Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested: Moses Jesur 37 Verheir. Hausvater Handelt Bella Hertz 24 Verheir. Dessen Frau Freinkel Jesur 6 Unverheir. Ihre Tochter Salomon Jesur 1 Unverheir. Ihr Sohn Neiman Hertz 11 Unverheir. Bruder der Frau Selig Jesur 35 Unverheir. Bruder des Mannes Mendel Levy 28 Unverheir. Dienstmädchen Jacob Levy 30 Unverheir. Dienstknecht David Moses 40 Unverheir. Dienstknecht Best regards Elsebeth Paikin Den 25-11-2013 22:23, Alan Ehrlich skrev:
My great great grandparents (Moses Josua and Betty Hertz) got married about
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Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: Where are Danish Altona Records to be found?
#scandinavia
Elsebeth Paikin
Dear Alan,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
The census of 1803 can be found on the Danish Demographic Database http://ddd.dda.dk/ Click on "Folketællinger" = Census (marked with red) Then click on the first link beneath "Søg personer" = search for persons Then fill in "Navn" = Name and then go down to "Som boede: Amt:" meaning "who lived: County" and choose then go down to the button below to the right "Søg" = Search and you get a list of all those with the name if you find a name you want to look at click on "Vis husstand" (which will take you to a list of all those living together with the person you have chosen. This way you will find "Bella Hertz" and looking at the info on those living in the house you get: Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested: Moses Jesur 37 Verheir. Hausvater Handelt Bella Hertz 24 Verheir. Dessen Frau Freinkel Jesur 6 Unverheir. Ihre Tochter Salomon Jesur 1 Unverheir. Ihr Sohn Neiman Hertz 11 Unverheir. Bruder der Frau Selig Jesur 35 Unverheir. Bruder des Mannes Mendel Levy 28 Unverheir. Dienstmädchen Jacob Levy 30 Unverheir. Dienstknecht David Moses 40 Unverheir. Dienstknecht Best regards Elsebeth Paikin Den 25-11-2013 22:23, Alan Ehrlich skrev:
My great great grandparents (Moses Josua and Betty Hertz) got married about
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Moving to the City: Urbanization in Vilnius, Trakai, and Belarus
#belarus
peggyf@...
Those of us who live in cities in America take for granted the great
urban migration of the first half of the twentieth century.I live in Atlanta, Georgia and a common question to ask when meeting someone is “Where did you live before Atlanta?” It is an important thing for genealogists to remember! We work so diligently to find our “shtetl of origin” that we forget that our ancestors moved around.The LitvakSIG Internal Passport projects are documenting the urbanization of Eastern Europe in extraordinary detail. The Internal Passports for the district of Trakai have just been translated and made available to qualified donors of the Trakai and Vilnius Districts.Of the 875 people who received passports in Trakai, 418 were born in the Vilnius district, and 151 were born in places in Belarus. A similar pattern of residents born in a rural village receiving an Internal Passport in Vilnius is demonstrated by the list of birthplaces in the first 9,000 records that have been translated for the Internal Passports >from Vilnius.You can see the list of places here: https://vilniusinternalpassports19191940.shutterfly.com/frequencyofplacesnamedinfiles or: http://tinyurl.com/n9ez6dy The LitvakSIG Internal Passports project has translated over 100,000 internal passports for Lithuania. These translations are available on the District Research Group Shutterfly sites.There are approximately 34,000 Internal Passports that still need to be translated for Vilnius. These documents are only available at the Lithuanian Archives and are being translated by a team living in Vilnius. If you would like to contribute to the project, you can do so at www.litvaksig.org/contribute <http://www.litvaksig.org/contribute>.Choose “Internal Passports” >from the Special Projects dropdown box and mark Vilnius in the space for Notes. This data will be freely searchable and available in the JewishGen Lithuania Database at the same time it is made available in the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database -- approximately 18 months >from LitvakSIG's receipt of the translations. If you have any questions, please contact one of us. Peggy Mosinger Freedman peggyf@... Coordinator of the Vilnius District Research Group of LitvakSIG Amy Wachs amyf1010@... Coordinator of the Trakai District Research Group of LitvakSIG Howard Margol homargol@... <mailto:homargol@...> Coordinator of the Internal Passports Project of LitvakSIG
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Moving to the City: Urbanization in Vilnius, Trakai, and Belarus
#belarus
peggyf@...
Those of us who live in cities in America take for granted the great
urban migration of the first half of the twentieth century.I live in Atlanta, Georgia and a common question to ask when meeting someone is “Where did you live before Atlanta?” It is an important thing for genealogists to remember! We work so diligently to find our “shtetl of origin” that we forget that our ancestors moved around.The LitvakSIG Internal Passport projects are documenting the urbanization of Eastern Europe in extraordinary detail. The Internal Passports for the district of Trakai have just been translated and made available to qualified donors of the Trakai and Vilnius Districts.Of the 875 people who received passports in Trakai, 418 were born in the Vilnius district, and 151 were born in places in Belarus. A similar pattern of residents born in a rural village receiving an Internal Passport in Vilnius is demonstrated by the list of birthplaces in the first 9,000 records that have been translated for the Internal Passports >from Vilnius.You can see the list of places here: https://vilniusinternalpassports19191940.shutterfly.com/frequencyofplacesnamedinfiles or: http://tinyurl.com/n9ez6dy The LitvakSIG Internal Passports project has translated over 100,000 internal passports for Lithuania. These translations are available on the District Research Group Shutterfly sites.There are approximately 34,000 Internal Passports that still need to be translated for Vilnius. These documents are only available at the Lithuanian Archives and are being translated by a team living in Vilnius. If you would like to contribute to the project, you can do so at www.litvaksig.org/contribute <http://www.litvaksig.org/contribute>.Choose “Internal Passports” >from the Special Projects dropdown box and mark Vilnius in the space for Notes. This data will be freely searchable and available in the JewishGen Lithuania Database at the same time it is made available in the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database -- approximately 18 months >from LitvakSIG's receipt of the translations. If you have any questions, please contact one of us. Peggy Mosinger Freedman peggyf@... Coordinator of the Vilnius District Research Group of LitvakSIG Amy Wachs amyf1010@... Coordinator of the Trakai District Research Group of LitvakSIG Howard Margol homargol@... <mailto:homargol@...> Coordinator of the Internal Passports Project of LitvakSIG
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Re: Where are Danish Altona Records to be found?
#scandinavia
Allan Falk <salfalk@...>
Dear Alan,
As far as I know, there doesn't exist archives >from Altona other, than our friends in JGS-Hamburg have access to. With whom have you been in contact? Best regards Allan Falk DK 2100 Copenhagen -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Alan Ehrlich [mailto:alan.ehrlich@...] Sendt: 25. november 2013 22:24 ... Searching in the Hamburg archive/Talmud Thora proved fruitless because - as they explained to me - during that time period, Altona was part of Denmark... and the corresponding records are not in Germany (Hamburg). I would be very grateful if some of you, experienced with family research in Denmark, could suggest where I might look to find Altona Jewish records from ca 1720-1820.
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Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia SV: Where are Danish Altona Records to be found?
#scandinavia
Allan Falk <salfalk@...>
Dear Alan,
As far as I know, there doesn't exist archives >from Altona other, than our friends in JGS-Hamburg have access to. With whom have you been in contact? Best regards Allan Falk DK 2100 Copenhagen -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Alan Ehrlich [mailto:alan.ehrlich@...] Sendt: 25. november 2013 22:24 ... Searching in the Hamburg archive/Talmud Thora proved fruitless because - as they explained to me - during that time period, Altona was part of Denmark... and the corresponding records are not in Germany (Hamburg). I would be very grateful if some of you, experienced with family research in Denmark, could suggest where I might look to find Altona Jewish records from ca 1720-1820.
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Thanks re: Where Is The Baby?
#general
Lois Levick
Dear Genners -
I want to publicly thank everyone that responded to my post. I've had so many suggestions, and have copies of newspaper articles to read. One, in particular, caught my attention because it stated that the mother ran out of the house with the youngest child. Well, the youngest child was Moses. If that was true, and we all know not to trust everything we read, then her 6 year old son, Abe, died. If I believe that, then she must have changed Moses' name to Abe, because I grew up with my Uncle Abe, not Uncle Moses. Furthermore, there is no death certificate for "Abe". There are only two death certificates - one for Etel and one for Massie, besides for their father. I've had other suggestions for me to look at school records and Pearl's later life. There's nothing to look at, because after this tragedy Pearl moved to Philadelphia, where her brother lived. She remarried four years later, and "Abe" (Moses?) adopted his stepfather's name. Any records after this showed that Pearl had a son named Abe until she had two children with her second husband. I am going to contact Ridgelawn again and see if I can get more information. And I am going to research other cemeteries in the area. If I do solve this mystery, I will post it here for everyone that helped me so much. Thanks, again. Lois Levick
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks re: Where Is The Baby?
#general
Lois Levick
Dear Genners -
I want to publicly thank everyone that responded to my post. I've had so many suggestions, and have copies of newspaper articles to read. One, in particular, caught my attention because it stated that the mother ran out of the house with the youngest child. Well, the youngest child was Moses. If that was true, and we all know not to trust everything we read, then her 6 year old son, Abe, died. If I believe that, then she must have changed Moses' name to Abe, because I grew up with my Uncle Abe, not Uncle Moses. Furthermore, there is no death certificate for "Abe". There are only two death certificates - one for Etel and one for Massie, besides for their father. I've had other suggestions for me to look at school records and Pearl's later life. There's nothing to look at, because after this tragedy Pearl moved to Philadelphia, where her brother lived. She remarried four years later, and "Abe" (Moses?) adopted his stepfather's name. Any records after this showed that Pearl had a son named Abe until she had two children with her second husband. I am going to contact Ridgelawn again and see if I can get more information. And I am going to research other cemeteries in the area. If I do solve this mystery, I will post it here for everyone that helped me so much. Thanks, again. Lois Levick
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Is it possible to look at a copy of a death certificate from NY
#general
hotdog <hotdog@...>
Shalom to one and all:
I was wondering if it is possible to look in person, at a copy of a death certificate? In one cert. I am interested to learn the time on day (before sunset or after sunset) someone died in 1961 in NY. In another cert. I am interested to find out where in NY the person is buried. Thank you very much! Jay Lenefsky -Israel
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Is it possible to look at a copy of a death certificate from NY
#general
hotdog <hotdog@...>
Shalom to one and all:
I was wondering if it is possible to look in person, at a copy of a death certificate? In one cert. I am interested to learn the time on day (before sunset or after sunset) someone died in 1961 in NY. In another cert. I am interested to find out where in NY the person is buried. Thank you very much! Jay Lenefsky -Israel
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