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Re: dna test to prove parentage #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

I have many mtDNA matches but I only tested HVR1, and the mtDNA mutates so
slowly that it is very hard to sort out. Futhermore, while I am 100% Jewish
and my maternal ancestors were in Europe through the early 1900s, many of my
matches earliest ancestors were in the US in the 1700s. I find this almost
useless (but not quite).
If the mt DNA has different haplotypes it would be easy to see that they are
not mother and daughter, but I suspect that even if they match it would not
prove anything. Also it is my understanding that the full mtDNA might have
medical information that people would not want to share. But what about
combining the HVR1 mtDNA and the family finder test? I think that would
cost less than a full mtDNA, and give the indication of how close the
relationship is with the autosomal chromosomes. Plus as an advantage there
would not be any unwanted (or unwilling to share) medical information. A
third possibility is to talk to the DNA companies that provide
paternity/maternity testing. They would be using their own tests, would not
share any medical information and they set up to be used in a court of law?

Sarah L M Christiansen
Georgetown, TX


DNA Research #DNA RE: dna test to prove parentage #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

I have many mtDNA matches but I only tested HVR1, and the mtDNA mutates so
slowly that it is very hard to sort out. Futhermore, while I am 100% Jewish
and my maternal ancestors were in Europe through the early 1900s, many of my
matches earliest ancestors were in the US in the 1700s. I find this almost
useless (but not quite).
If the mt DNA has different haplotypes it would be easy to see that they are
not mother and daughter, but I suspect that even if they match it would not
prove anything. Also it is my understanding that the full mtDNA might have
medical information that people would not want to share. But what about
combining the HVR1 mtDNA and the family finder test? I think that would
cost less than a full mtDNA, and give the indication of how close the
relationship is with the autosomal chromosomes. Plus as an advantage there
would not be any unwanted (or unwilling to share) medical information. A
third possibility is to talk to the DNA companies that provide
paternity/maternity testing. They would be using their own tests, would not
share any medical information and they set up to be used in a court of law?

Sarah L M Christiansen
Georgetown, TX


searching for a absent from 1916 #general

אברהם <avraham997@...>
 

Dear Friends

As is known in World War I , recruited many Jews , and Jews fought for both
sides , as a was young I heard all kinds of stories of heroism , of the
Auer Jewish brother the Children of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob , the Holy
Fathers , without any choice, and fear God forbid , have to kill their
fellow Jews who are on the enemy, they shot themselves
Although my grandfather was born Nasaud Romania, recruited >from city
Bratislava in Slovakia , alongside Franz Josef , one day in 1916, an
envelope arrived home with a picture that was in the pocket >from my
grandfather , and behind it was written, Zvi Yekutiel (carol) Gewirtz
soldier was killed by a bullet. ,
I searched and have not found any document or records , death certificate ,I
wish asking for help >from members here may have knowledge someone direct me
to search correctly and getting correct information
Thank you for all and any assistance.
Please contact me privately.
avraham997@...

avraham lapa
israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching for a absent from 1916 #general

אברהם <avraham997@...>
 

Dear Friends

As is known in World War I , recruited many Jews , and Jews fought for both
sides , as a was young I heard all kinds of stories of heroism , of the
Auer Jewish brother the Children of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob , the Holy
Fathers , without any choice, and fear God forbid , have to kill their
fellow Jews who are on the enemy, they shot themselves
Although my grandfather was born Nasaud Romania, recruited >from city
Bratislava in Slovakia , alongside Franz Josef , one day in 1916, an
envelope arrived home with a picture that was in the pocket >from my
grandfather , and behind it was written, Zvi Yekutiel (carol) Gewirtz
soldier was killed by a bullet. ,
I searched and have not found any document or records , death certificate ,I
wish asking for help >from members here may have knowledge someone direct me
to search correctly and getting correct information
Thank you for all and any assistance.
Please contact me privately.
avraham997@...

avraham lapa
israel


Help: KLIN and TIMBERG from Chrzanow (near Krakow) #general

Ofer Manela
 

Dear all,

I'm looking for any tip, information or any other help in breaking a
brick wall. During the last two years I've tried to find information
in many sources about my grandmother's family, and couldn't find
anything. I hope somebody here can give me a new direction or a new
piece of information.

My grandmother's name is Tzipora Fajga MANELA nee KLIN-TIMBERG (b.
1916 Chrzanow). Her parents were Hersz Zvi KLIN (a family of Kohanim)
and Golda KLIN nee TIMBERG (b. circa 1882 - d. 1942).
The parents of Golda were Yehuda TIMBERG and Hendl Chana.
Hersz Zvi KLIN died between 1920 and 1933. It is possible that his
mother's name was Chana, but I'm not sure.
My grandmother's siblings were Yehuda, Chaim, and Anna (Chana) REIFER,
all perished in the Holocaust.

The information I have is based on Pages of Testimony filled out by my
grandmother.
I couldn't find anything else about the family. (I've tried all
Jewishgen's databases, shoreshim.org, Yad-Vashem databases, Dan
Hirschberg's Krakow family trees).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ofer Manela
Petach-Tikva

Researching:
MANELA, KWART, GOLDRAT Everywhere
LANDAU/LANDA Szczekociny, Wolbrom, Piotrkow Trybunalski, Rozprza, New York City
ROZENBERG, RATHAJZER, PANSKI Szczekociny
LINDNER/LONDNER Szczekociny, Zarnowiec, Koniecpol
LEWI Koniecpol
KLIN/KLEIN, TIMBERG Chrzanow, Krakow


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help: KLIN and TIMBERG from Chrzanow (near Krakow) #general

Ofer Manela
 

Dear all,

I'm looking for any tip, information or any other help in breaking a
brick wall. During the last two years I've tried to find information
in many sources about my grandmother's family, and couldn't find
anything. I hope somebody here can give me a new direction or a new
piece of information.

My grandmother's name is Tzipora Fajga MANELA nee KLIN-TIMBERG (b.
1916 Chrzanow). Her parents were Hersz Zvi KLIN (a family of Kohanim)
and Golda KLIN nee TIMBERG (b. circa 1882 - d. 1942).
The parents of Golda were Yehuda TIMBERG and Hendl Chana.
Hersz Zvi KLIN died between 1920 and 1933. It is possible that his
mother's name was Chana, but I'm not sure.
My grandmother's siblings were Yehuda, Chaim, and Anna (Chana) REIFER,
all perished in the Holocaust.

The information I have is based on Pages of Testimony filled out by my
grandmother.
I couldn't find anything else about the family. (I've tried all
Jewishgen's databases, shoreshim.org, Yad-Vashem databases, Dan
Hirschberg's Krakow family trees).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ofer Manela
Petach-Tikva

Researching:
MANELA, KWART, GOLDRAT Everywhere
LANDAU/LANDA Szczekociny, Wolbrom, Piotrkow Trybunalski, Rozprza, New York City
ROZENBERG, RATHAJZER, PANSKI Szczekociny
LINDNER/LONDNER Szczekociny, Zarnowiec, Koniecpol
LEWI Koniecpol
KLIN/KLEIN, TIMBERG Chrzanow, Krakow


Makova Lemberger family #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

Trying to sort out who's who here.

How does Menachem Mendel of Jerusalem, died 2011 tie in?
Father of Israel Aaron, Shimon, Shlomo and Asher

What I have is -

G13.2. R. Judah Leib Lwow-Lemberger, born in Pressburg in 1843, ABD
Roznai and then Tchetenek.

G14.1. R. Abraham Zvi Hirsch Lwow-Lemberger, born in 1884 and died in
Nyrbator on 6 Shvat, 1941. He studied under the Shevet Sofer and R.
Solomon Zalman Breier (Breyer) in Frankfurt-on-Main. He became ABD
Nyrbator until his death.

G14.2. R. Moes Haim Isaac Lwow-Lemberger, born in Tchetenek in 1895,
married the daughter of R. Solomon Judah Leib Singer, ABD Rima-Sombat.
He studied under the Shevet Sofer and R. Solomon Zalman Breier in
Frankfurt-on-Main and became ABD Roznai in 1902.

G14.3. R. Samuel Lwow-Lemberger, born in 1886 and died in Tel Aviv on
19 Av, 1960. He studied under R. Solomon Zalman Breier, ABD Yergen
from 1909 and settled in Tel Aviv.
G14.4. R. Menachem Mendel Lwow-Lemberger, born in Tchetenek in 1876
and died in Tisza-fulgar on 19 Tishrei 1943/44, married the daughter
of R. Moses Nathan Nata Jungreis, ABD Tisza-fired, son of R. Asher
Anschel Jungreis, ABD Czager, the Menuchat Asher. He studied under the
Shevet Sofer and R. Solomon Zalman Brier. He was ABD Tisza-fulgar from
about 1910.

G15.1. R. Moses Nathan Nata Lemberger, ABD Makova-Kiryat Ata, 1909 and
died 20 Cheshvan, 1982, author of Ateret Moshe and student of R.
Shalom Eliezer Halberstam of Raatzfort.

G16. R. Shimon Lemberger, died 20 Cheshvan married ???Sarah Leah, died 9 Av

Brother-in-law of Chaim Halpern.

G17. Sarah Leah, married R. Abraham Mordecai Rokeach in August 1993,
son of the Belzer Rebbe.

G15.2. R. Judah Leib Lemberger, ABD Serentch-Brooklyn, NY.

G15.3. Daughter married R. Asher Samuel Paneth of Jerusalem, son of R.
Jehiel Mier Paneth, ABD Hidlomosh.

--
Neil Rosenstein


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Makova Lemberger family #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

Trying to sort out who's who here.

How does Menachem Mendel of Jerusalem, died 2011 tie in?
Father of Israel Aaron, Shimon, Shlomo and Asher

What I have is -

G13.2. R. Judah Leib Lwow-Lemberger, born in Pressburg in 1843, ABD
Roznai and then Tchetenek.

G14.1. R. Abraham Zvi Hirsch Lwow-Lemberger, born in 1884 and died in
Nyrbator on 6 Shvat, 1941. He studied under the Shevet Sofer and R.
Solomon Zalman Breier (Breyer) in Frankfurt-on-Main. He became ABD
Nyrbator until his death.

G14.2. R. Moes Haim Isaac Lwow-Lemberger, born in Tchetenek in 1895,
married the daughter of R. Solomon Judah Leib Singer, ABD Rima-Sombat.
He studied under the Shevet Sofer and R. Solomon Zalman Breier in
Frankfurt-on-Main and became ABD Roznai in 1902.

G14.3. R. Samuel Lwow-Lemberger, born in 1886 and died in Tel Aviv on
19 Av, 1960. He studied under R. Solomon Zalman Breier, ABD Yergen
from 1909 and settled in Tel Aviv.
G14.4. R. Menachem Mendel Lwow-Lemberger, born in Tchetenek in 1876
and died in Tisza-fulgar on 19 Tishrei 1943/44, married the daughter
of R. Moses Nathan Nata Jungreis, ABD Tisza-fired, son of R. Asher
Anschel Jungreis, ABD Czager, the Menuchat Asher. He studied under the
Shevet Sofer and R. Solomon Zalman Brier. He was ABD Tisza-fulgar from
about 1910.

G15.1. R. Moses Nathan Nata Lemberger, ABD Makova-Kiryat Ata, 1909 and
died 20 Cheshvan, 1982, author of Ateret Moshe and student of R.
Shalom Eliezer Halberstam of Raatzfort.

G16. R. Shimon Lemberger, died 20 Cheshvan married ???Sarah Leah, died 9 Av

Brother-in-law of Chaim Halpern.

G17. Sarah Leah, married R. Abraham Mordecai Rokeach in August 1993,
son of the Belzer Rebbe.

G15.2. R. Judah Leib Lemberger, ABD Serentch-Brooklyn, NY.

G15.3. Daughter married R. Asher Samuel Paneth of Jerusalem, son of R.
Jehiel Mier Paneth, ABD Hidlomosh.

--
Neil Rosenstein


Re: Where are Danish Altona Records to be found? #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Dear Alan,

Actually I found them in my own database (Danish
Jews) and you know what?
My source is JewishGen's Family Tree of the Jewish
People!
There are Bella's parents and Moshe Joshua's
parents and grandfather!
So you might find a relative on the Family Tree ...
Best wishes
Elsebeth Paikin

Den 25-11-2013 22:23, Alan Ehrlich skrev:

My great great grandparents (Moses Josua and Betty Hertz) got married about
1800 in Altona, which is also where all their children were born (all births
were pre-1820)...


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: Where are Danish Altona Records to be found? #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Dear Alan,

Actually I found them in my own database (Danish
Jews) and you know what?
My source is JewishGen's Family Tree of the Jewish
People!
There are Bella's parents and Moshe Joshua's
parents and grandfather!
So you might find a relative on the Family Tree ...
Best wishes
Elsebeth Paikin

Den 25-11-2013 22:23, Alan Ehrlich skrev:

My great great grandparents (Moses Josua and Betty Hertz) got married about
1800 in Altona, which is also where all their children were born (all births
were pre-1820)...


Re: Where are Danish Altona Records to be found? #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Dear Alan,
The census of 1803 can be found on the Danish
Demographic Database http://ddd.dda.dk/
Click on "Folketællinger" = Census (marked with red)
Then click on the first link beneath "Søg
personer" = search for persons
Then fill in "Navn" = Name
and then go down to
"Som boede: Amt:"
meaning "who lived: County"
and choose
then go down to
the button below to the right "Søg" = Search
and you get a list of all those with the name
if you find a name you want to look at
click on "Vis husstand" (which will take you to a
list of all those living together with the person
you have chosen.

This way you will find "Bella Hertz" and looking
at the info on those living in the house you get:

Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden:
Erhverv: Fødested:
Moses Jesur 37 Verheir. Hausvater Handelt
Bella Hertz 24 Verheir. Dessen Frau
Freinkel Jesur 6 Unverheir. Ihre Tochter
Salomon Jesur 1 Unverheir. Ihr Sohn
Neiman Hertz 11 Unverheir. Bruder der Frau
Selig Jesur 35 Unverheir. Bruder des Mannes
Mendel Levy 28 Unverheir. Dienstmädchen
Jacob Levy 30 Unverheir. Dienstknecht
David Moses 40 Unverheir. Dienstknecht

Best regards
Elsebeth Paikin

Den 25-11-2013 22:23, Alan Ehrlich skrev:

My great great grandparents (Moses Josua and Betty Hertz) got married about
1800 in Altona, which is also where all their children were born (all births
were pre-1820).

Searching in the Hamburg archive/Talmud Thora proved fruitless because - as
they explained to me - during that time period, Altona was part of
Denmark... and the corresponding records are not in Germany (Hamburg).

I would be very grateful if some of you, experienced with family research in
Denmark, could suggest where I might look to find Altona Jewish records from
ca 1720-1820.


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: Where are Danish Altona Records to be found? #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Dear Alan,
The census of 1803 can be found on the Danish
Demographic Database http://ddd.dda.dk/
Click on "Folketællinger" = Census (marked with red)
Then click on the first link beneath "Søg
personer" = search for persons
Then fill in "Navn" = Name
and then go down to
"Som boede: Amt:"
meaning "who lived: County"
and choose
then go down to
the button below to the right "Søg" = Search
and you get a list of all those with the name
if you find a name you want to look at
click on "Vis husstand" (which will take you to a
list of all those living together with the person
you have chosen.

This way you will find "Bella Hertz" and looking
at the info on those living in the house you get:

Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden:
Erhverv: Fødested:
Moses Jesur 37 Verheir. Hausvater Handelt
Bella Hertz 24 Verheir. Dessen Frau
Freinkel Jesur 6 Unverheir. Ihre Tochter
Salomon Jesur 1 Unverheir. Ihr Sohn
Neiman Hertz 11 Unverheir. Bruder der Frau
Selig Jesur 35 Unverheir. Bruder des Mannes
Mendel Levy 28 Unverheir. Dienstmädchen
Jacob Levy 30 Unverheir. Dienstknecht
David Moses 40 Unverheir. Dienstknecht

Best regards
Elsebeth Paikin

Den 25-11-2013 22:23, Alan Ehrlich skrev:

My great great grandparents (Moses Josua and Betty Hertz) got married about
1800 in Altona, which is also where all their children were born (all births
were pre-1820).

Searching in the Hamburg archive/Talmud Thora proved fruitless because - as
they explained to me - during that time period, Altona was part of
Denmark... and the corresponding records are not in Germany (Hamburg).

I would be very grateful if some of you, experienced with family research in
Denmark, could suggest where I might look to find Altona Jewish records from
ca 1720-1820.


Moving to the City: Urbanization in Vilnius, Trakai, and Belarus #belarus

peggyf@...
 

Those of us who live in cities in America take for granted the great
urban migration of the first half of the twentieth century.I live in
Atlanta, Georgia and a common question to ask when meeting someone is
“Where did you live before Atlanta?”

It is an important thing for genealogists to remember!

We work so diligently to find our “shtetl of origin” that we forget that
our ancestors moved around.The LitvakSIG Internal Passport projects are
documenting the urbanization of Eastern Europe in extraordinary detail.

The Internal Passports for the district of Trakai have just been
translated and made available to qualified donors of the Trakai and
Vilnius Districts.Of the 875 people who received passports in Trakai,
418 were born in the Vilnius district, and 151 were born in places in
Belarus.

A similar pattern of residents born in a rural village receiving an
Internal Passport in Vilnius is demonstrated by the list of birthplaces
in the first 9,000 records that have been translated for the Internal
Passports >from Vilnius.You can see the list of places here:

https://vilniusinternalpassports19191940.shutterfly.com/frequencyofplacesnamedinfiles
or:
http://tinyurl.com/n9ez6dy


The LitvakSIG Internal Passports project has translated over 100,000
internal passports for Lithuania. These translations are available on
the District Research Group Shutterfly sites.There are approximately
34,000 Internal Passports that still need to be translated for Vilnius.
These documents are only available at the Lithuanian Archives and are
being translated by a team living in Vilnius. If you would like to
contribute to the project, you can do so at www.litvaksig.org/contribute
<http://www.litvaksig.org/contribute>.Choose “Internal Passports” >from
the Special Projects dropdown box and mark Vilnius in the space for Notes.

This data will be freely searchable and available in the JewishGen
Lithuania Database at the same time it is made available in the
LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database -- approximately 18 months >from
LitvakSIG's receipt of the translations.

If you have any questions, please contact one of us.

Peggy Mosinger Freedman

peggyf@...

Coordinator of the Vilnius District Research Group of LitvakSIG

Amy Wachs

amyf1010@...

Coordinator of the Trakai District Research Group of LitvakSIG

Howard Margol

homargol@... <mailto:homargol@...>

Coordinator of the Internal Passports Project of LitvakSIG


Belarus SIG #Belarus Moving to the City: Urbanization in Vilnius, Trakai, and Belarus #belarus

peggyf@...
 

Those of us who live in cities in America take for granted the great
urban migration of the first half of the twentieth century.I live in
Atlanta, Georgia and a common question to ask when meeting someone is
“Where did you live before Atlanta?”

It is an important thing for genealogists to remember!

We work so diligently to find our “shtetl of origin” that we forget that
our ancestors moved around.The LitvakSIG Internal Passport projects are
documenting the urbanization of Eastern Europe in extraordinary detail.

The Internal Passports for the district of Trakai have just been
translated and made available to qualified donors of the Trakai and
Vilnius Districts.Of the 875 people who received passports in Trakai,
418 were born in the Vilnius district, and 151 were born in places in
Belarus.

A similar pattern of residents born in a rural village receiving an
Internal Passport in Vilnius is demonstrated by the list of birthplaces
in the first 9,000 records that have been translated for the Internal
Passports >from Vilnius.You can see the list of places here:

https://vilniusinternalpassports19191940.shutterfly.com/frequencyofplacesnamedinfiles
or:
http://tinyurl.com/n9ez6dy


The LitvakSIG Internal Passports project has translated over 100,000
internal passports for Lithuania. These translations are available on
the District Research Group Shutterfly sites.There are approximately
34,000 Internal Passports that still need to be translated for Vilnius.
These documents are only available at the Lithuanian Archives and are
being translated by a team living in Vilnius. If you would like to
contribute to the project, you can do so at www.litvaksig.org/contribute
<http://www.litvaksig.org/contribute>.Choose “Internal Passports” >from
the Special Projects dropdown box and mark Vilnius in the space for Notes.

This data will be freely searchable and available in the JewishGen
Lithuania Database at the same time it is made available in the
LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database -- approximately 18 months >from
LitvakSIG's receipt of the translations.

If you have any questions, please contact one of us.

Peggy Mosinger Freedman

peggyf@...

Coordinator of the Vilnius District Research Group of LitvakSIG

Amy Wachs

amyf1010@...

Coordinator of the Trakai District Research Group of LitvakSIG

Howard Margol

homargol@... <mailto:homargol@...>

Coordinator of the Internal Passports Project of LitvakSIG


Re: Where are Danish Altona Records to be found? #scandinavia

Allan Falk <salfalk@...>
 

Dear Alan,

As far as I know, there doesn't exist archives >from Altona other, than our
friends in JGS-Hamburg have access to. With whom have you been in contact?

Best regards

Allan Falk
DK 2100 Copenhagen

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Alan Ehrlich [mailto:alan.ehrlich@...]
Sendt: 25. november 2013 22:24

...

Searching in the Hamburg archive/Talmud Thora proved fruitless because - as
they explained to me - during that time period, Altona was part of
Denmark... and the corresponding records are not in Germany (Hamburg).

I would be very grateful if some of you, experienced with family research in
Denmark, could suggest where I might look to find Altona Jewish records from
ca 1720-1820.


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia SV: Where are Danish Altona Records to be found? #scandinavia

Allan Falk <salfalk@...>
 

Dear Alan,

As far as I know, there doesn't exist archives >from Altona other, than our
friends in JGS-Hamburg have access to. With whom have you been in contact?

Best regards

Allan Falk
DK 2100 Copenhagen

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Alan Ehrlich [mailto:alan.ehrlich@...]
Sendt: 25. november 2013 22:24

...

Searching in the Hamburg archive/Talmud Thora proved fruitless because - as
they explained to me - during that time period, Altona was part of
Denmark... and the corresponding records are not in Germany (Hamburg).

I would be very grateful if some of you, experienced with family research in
Denmark, could suggest where I might look to find Altona Jewish records from
ca 1720-1820.


Thanks re: Where Is The Baby? #general

Lois Levick
 

Dear Genners -

I want to publicly thank everyone that responded to my post. I've had so
many suggestions, and have copies of newspaper articles to read. One, in
particular, caught my attention because it stated that the mother ran out of
the house with the youngest child. Well, the youngest child was Moses. If
that was true, and we all know not to trust everything we read, then her 6
year old son, Abe, died. If I believe that, then she must have changed
Moses' name to Abe, because I grew up with my Uncle Abe, not Uncle Moses.
Furthermore, there is no death certificate for "Abe". There are only two
death certificates - one for Etel and one for Massie, besides for their
father.

I've had other suggestions for me to look at school records and Pearl's
later life. There's nothing to look at, because after this tragedy Pearl
moved to Philadelphia, where her brother lived. She remarried four years
later, and "Abe" (Moses?) adopted his stepfather's name. Any records after
this showed that Pearl had a son named Abe until she had two children with
her second husband.

I am going to contact Ridgelawn again and see if I can get more information.
And I am going to research other cemeteries in the area. If I do solve this
mystery, I will post it here for everyone that helped me so much.

Thanks, again.

Lois Levick


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks re: Where Is The Baby? #general

Lois Levick
 

Dear Genners -

I want to publicly thank everyone that responded to my post. I've had so
many suggestions, and have copies of newspaper articles to read. One, in
particular, caught my attention because it stated that the mother ran out of
the house with the youngest child. Well, the youngest child was Moses. If
that was true, and we all know not to trust everything we read, then her 6
year old son, Abe, died. If I believe that, then she must have changed
Moses' name to Abe, because I grew up with my Uncle Abe, not Uncle Moses.
Furthermore, there is no death certificate for "Abe". There are only two
death certificates - one for Etel and one for Massie, besides for their
father.

I've had other suggestions for me to look at school records and Pearl's
later life. There's nothing to look at, because after this tragedy Pearl
moved to Philadelphia, where her brother lived. She remarried four years
later, and "Abe" (Moses?) adopted his stepfather's name. Any records after
this showed that Pearl had a son named Abe until she had two children with
her second husband.

I am going to contact Ridgelawn again and see if I can get more information.
And I am going to research other cemeteries in the area. If I do solve this
mystery, I will post it here for everyone that helped me so much.

Thanks, again.

Lois Levick


Is it possible to look at a copy of a death certificate from NY #general

hotdog <hotdog@...>
 

Shalom to one and all:

I was wondering if it is possible to look in person, at
a copy of a death certificate?

In one cert. I am interested to learn the time on day (before sunset or
after sunset) someone died in 1961 in NY.

In another cert. I am interested to find out where in NY the person is
buried.

Thank you very much!

Jay Lenefsky -Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Is it possible to look at a copy of a death certificate from NY #general

hotdog <hotdog@...>
 

Shalom to one and all:

I was wondering if it is possible to look in person, at
a copy of a death certificate?

In one cert. I am interested to learn the time on day (before sunset or
after sunset) someone died in 1961 in NY.

In another cert. I am interested to find out where in NY the person is
buried.

Thank you very much!

Jay Lenefsky -Israel

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