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Age of Jews in Eastern territory during World War II #poland

Ariel K <arielvfu@...>
 

September 1939:

Our ancestor Fajwel Naftal and family lived in Warsaw prior to the war
we know that in 1940 he was documented in the Soviet territory while
his wife and all of his children were in the Warsaw Ghetto;
he was not a young man (born 1890), we ask ourselves how come he
arrived to the Eastern territory.

Is there a possibility that a man of his age was recruited? did they
even had the attempt to recruit Jews to the Polish army? and were
soldiers >from the Polish army were "trapped" and could not return home
post war between the "new Poland" territories?

Besides his home address in Warsaw, name and year of birth we posses
no information concerning him, how can we know whether or not he had
served in the army and solve this mystery?

Thank you
Ariel Koby
JRI Poland #Poland Age of Jews in Eastern territory during World War II #poland

Ariel K <arielvfu@...>
 

September 1939:

Our ancestor Fajwel Naftal and family lived in Warsaw prior to the war
we know that in 1940 he was documented in the Soviet territory while
his wife and all of his children were in the Warsaw Ghetto;
he was not a young man (born 1890), we ask ourselves how come he
arrived to the Eastern territory.

Is there a possibility that a man of his age was recruited? did they
even had the attempt to recruit Jews to the Polish army? and were
soldiers >from the Polish army were "trapped" and could not return home
post war between the "new Poland" territories?

Besides his home address in Warsaw, name and year of birth we posses
no information concerning him, how can we know whether or not he had
served in the army and solve this mystery?

Thank you
Ariel Koby
New LDS Data on the JRI-Poland Database #poland

hadassahlipsius
 

Happy Lag B'Omer!

The Jewish Records Indexing-Poland database was updated recently with
almost 25,000 new records added.

from the LDS Microfilms, Patronymic files were added or updated for the
towns of Legonice, Lowice, Slowmczyn, Trzcianka. Patronymic files come
from the Civil registration records for the years prior to 1826 where
Christian and Jewish records were kept together. Researchers sort through
the records to identify the Jewish records and document them in extended
indices.

from the LDS Microfilms, Jewish records files were added or updated for
the towns of Breslau, Ciepielow, Lask, Radom, Warszawa and Wolbrom.

I would like to thank our wonderful team of volunteers who worked
tirelessly to make JRI-Poland such a success.

Many thanks to:

Stephen Falk, Howard Fink, Fred Frenkel, Nicole Heymans, Yaacov Lipkin,
Madeleine Okladek, David Price, Michael Tobias and Daniel Wagner.

A very special thank you to Haim Ghiuzeli at Beit Hatfutsot for the
Ciepielow, Lowicz and Radom data.

Happy Searching!

Hadassah Lipsius
On Behalf of the Board of JRI-Poland.
JRI Poland #Poland New LDS Data on the JRI-Poland Database #poland

hadassahlipsius
 

Happy Lag B'Omer!

The Jewish Records Indexing-Poland database was updated recently with
almost 25,000 new records added.

from the LDS Microfilms, Patronymic files were added or updated for the
towns of Legonice, Lowice, Slowmczyn, Trzcianka. Patronymic files come
from the Civil registration records for the years prior to 1826 where
Christian and Jewish records were kept together. Researchers sort through
the records to identify the Jewish records and document them in extended
indices.

from the LDS Microfilms, Jewish records files were added or updated for
the towns of Breslau, Ciepielow, Lask, Radom, Warszawa and Wolbrom.

I would like to thank our wonderful team of volunteers who worked
tirelessly to make JRI-Poland such a success.

Many thanks to:

Stephen Falk, Howard Fink, Fred Frenkel, Nicole Heymans, Yaacov Lipkin,
Madeleine Okladek, David Price, Michael Tobias and Daniel Wagner.

A very special thank you to Haim Ghiuzeli at Beit Hatfutsot for the
Ciepielow, Lowicz and Radom data.

Happy Searching!

Hadassah Lipsius
On Behalf of the Board of JRI-Poland.
Need help finding Information from Sniatyn, Galicia: FROMMER, FROMET, or FRUMET #galicia

Jennifer
 

Question for anyone that can help.

I have obtained records >from my great grandmother's birth and it
shows her mother to be >from Hethars and her father to be >from
Sniatyn, Galicia. I found records >from my great grandmother's brothers
and sisters with basically the same information for the parents. Her
parents' name changed a couple times >from FROMMER to FROMET to
FRUMET depending on the child but mainly it was FROMET. When they
came to the United States, her father kept FROMET, whereas some of
her brothers took FROMMER. I am unsure where to go with this
information.

Also, does anyone know where I can go to find any information >from
Sniatyn, Galicia? I'm unsure if Sniatyn is the actual town name or are
there are towns within that town? I guess I just don't know where to
begin. Can anyone help?

Thank you so much!

Jennifer Dickey
St. Charles, Missouri, USA
Reply to: jen.dickey@yahoo.com
Re: COHEN-CONNE #southafrica

Susan <noshowclc@...>
 

Louis,
In case you get no replies, you could go outside the box and look at Facebook.
I see three Conne names, all in South Africa - a Desray, Bruce, and Ian.
You can message them privately, explain who you are, etc., and perhaps they
can put you in touch with the people you are looking for.
Susan



On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:41 PM, arlene@012.net.il wrote:

I would like to make contact with Samuel & Patricia CONNE (formerly COHEN)
and/or Samuel or Reva CHAIT. I think that they live in Cape Town or its vicinity.

Reply privately.

Louis ZETLER
Hoshaya, ISRAEL
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Need help finding Information from Sniatyn, Galicia: FROMMER, FROMET, or FRUMET #galicia

Jennifer
 

Question for anyone that can help.

I have obtained records >from my great grandmother's birth and it
shows her mother to be >from Hethars and her father to be >from
Sniatyn, Galicia. I found records >from my great grandmother's brothers
and sisters with basically the same information for the parents. Her
parents' name changed a couple times >from FROMMER to FROMET to
FRUMET depending on the child but mainly it was FROMET. When they
came to the United States, her father kept FROMET, whereas some of
her brothers took FROMMER. I am unsure where to go with this
information.

Also, does anyone know where I can go to find any information >from
Sniatyn, Galicia? I'm unsure if Sniatyn is the actual town name or are
there are towns within that town? I guess I just don't know where to
begin. Can anyone help?

Thank you so much!

Jennifer Dickey
St. Charles, Missouri, USA
Reply to: jen.dickey@yahoo.com
South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: COHEN-CONNE #southafrica

Susan <noshowclc@...>
 

Louis,
In case you get no replies, you could go outside the box and look at Facebook.
I see three Conne names, all in South Africa - a Desray, Bruce, and Ian.
You can message them privately, explain who you are, etc., and perhaps they
can put you in touch with the people you are looking for.
Susan



On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:41 PM, arlene@012.net.il wrote:

I would like to make contact with Samuel & Patricia CONNE (formerly COHEN)
and/or Samuel or Reva CHAIT. I think that they live in Cape Town or its vicinity.

Reply privately.

Louis ZETLER
Hoshaya, ISRAEL
Locating a tomb in NY area #france

capitetes@...
 

I am writing on behalf of a dear friend who does not speak English. His
sister, Liliane Picovschi (pronounced Picovski), was born in Paris on
May 21, 1937. Both he and his sister, together with their parents,
survived WWII in hiding. Liliane died in Mount Sinai Hospital in New
York on October 20, 1973. My friend, Alain, flew to New York to her
funeral that was arranged by Liliane's companion, Mr. B. Benzer. Alain
remembers that the undertaker's place was located in New York town and
that they drove about 20 to 25 km to the cemetery itself. Unfortunately
all the documents he had with the cemetery's name and location are lost.
He plans a trip to the NY area and wishes to visit his sister's grave
and we are trying to locate her grave, but do not know how to proceed
nor where to start.

I have tried locating Picovschi on JOWBER both in New York and New
Jersey and found no Liliane deceased in 1973. We have telephoned Mount
Sinai's Records Office and they cannot help us.

We are at loss as for how to locate her grave in time for Alain to visit
her grave during his upcoming trip to the US next month. Any help would
be much appreciated.

Thanking you in advance,

Rivka Schirman nee Moscisker
Paris, France

Searching: MOSCISKER >from Brody, Budzynin, Buczacz, Okopy Szwietej
Trojce, Krakow, Lwow), WEISSMANN and REINSTEIN >from Okopy Szwietej
Trojce (Borszczow, Tarnopol)
French SIG #France Locating a tomb in NY area #france

capitetes@...
 

I am writing on behalf of a dear friend who does not speak English. His
sister, Liliane Picovschi (pronounced Picovski), was born in Paris on
May 21, 1937. Both he and his sister, together with their parents,
survived WWII in hiding. Liliane died in Mount Sinai Hospital in New
York on October 20, 1973. My friend, Alain, flew to New York to her
funeral that was arranged by Liliane's companion, Mr. B. Benzer. Alain
remembers that the undertaker's place was located in New York town and
that they drove about 20 to 25 km to the cemetery itself. Unfortunately
all the documents he had with the cemetery's name and location are lost.
He plans a trip to the NY area and wishes to visit his sister's grave
and we are trying to locate her grave, but do not know how to proceed
nor where to start.

I have tried locating Picovschi on JOWBER both in New York and New
Jersey and found no Liliane deceased in 1973. We have telephoned Mount
Sinai's Records Office and they cannot help us.

We are at loss as for how to locate her grave in time for Alain to visit
her grave during his upcoming trip to the US next month. Any help would
be much appreciated.

Thanking you in advance,

Rivka Schirman nee Moscisker
Paris, France

Searching: MOSCISKER >from Brody, Budzynin, Buczacz, Okopy Szwietej
Trojce, Krakow, Lwow), WEISSMANN and REINSTEIN >from Okopy Szwietej
Trojce (Borszczow, Tarnopol)
is there an online image for this record? #galicia

Russ Maurer <RMaur@...>
 

I found a record for Ester Rifka Kobok in the all-Galicia database. I
would like to see an image of the original document. The annotation
says: "This record comes >from the Stary Sambor Jewish Deaths
(1896-1907) database, signature 2719, volume 1903, page 207,
208, AKT number 51. The original records are held in AGAD
(Archiwum Glowne Akt Dawnych) The Central Archives of Historical
Records in Warsaw, Poland and were added to this search engine on
15 April 2013. An image of this record can also be viewed on AGAD
microfilm #106543. The Gesher Galicia unique record ID is
GG-StarySambor-Deaths-499."

There is no reference to an FHL (Family History Library) microfilm,
nor does this record appear in JRI-P yet, although I assume at some
point it will.

Is there a way to access this image online now, based on the
information in the annotation?

Russ Maurer
Pepper Pike, OH
rmaur@hawken.edu
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia is there an online image for this record? #galicia

Russ Maurer <RMaur@...>
 

I found a record for Ester Rifka Kobok in the all-Galicia database. I
would like to see an image of the original document. The annotation
says: "This record comes >from the Stary Sambor Jewish Deaths
(1896-1907) database, signature 2719, volume 1903, page 207,
208, AKT number 51. The original records are held in AGAD
(Archiwum Glowne Akt Dawnych) The Central Archives of Historical
Records in Warsaw, Poland and were added to this search engine on
15 April 2013. An image of this record can also be viewed on AGAD
microfilm #106543. The Gesher Galicia unique record ID is
GG-StarySambor-Deaths-499."

There is no reference to an FHL (Family History Library) microfilm,
nor does this record appear in JRI-P yet, although I assume at some
point it will.

Is there a way to access this image online now, based on the
information in the annotation?

Russ Maurer
Pepper Pike, OH
rmaur@hawken.edu
Grove Street Cemetery Newark, NJ #general

Bill Rubin <brubin@...>
 

Grove Street Cemetery Newark, NJ – Photo needed

If anyone lives near or is going to the Grove Street Cemetery in Newark,
NJ, I could use a photo or two.

Section 33:Russian #3 – Cong. Knesseth Israel

Esther Rubin died 4/23/1943Grave #2

Gerson Rubin died 12/2/1938Grave #1

The Rubin’s are in the middle of the narrow part of section #33.

Section #33 is closer to Grain Street


Thank you,


-Bill Rubin
Arlington, MA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Grove Street Cemetery Newark, NJ #general

Bill Rubin <brubin@...>
 

Grove Street Cemetery Newark, NJ – Photo needed

If anyone lives near or is going to the Grove Street Cemetery in Newark,
NJ, I could use a photo or two.

Section 33:Russian #3 – Cong. Knesseth Israel

Esther Rubin died 4/23/1943Grave #2

Gerson Rubin died 12/2/1938Grave #1

The Rubin’s are in the middle of the narrow part of section #33.

Section #33 is closer to Grain Street


Thank you,


-Bill Rubin
Arlington, MA
Re: Including a suicide in a family history #general

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Davida,
There are many things to be considered when deciding what facts to
include in a family history.

1) What's the intent and purpose of your writing? Is this for
publication? For family use? In either case, what harm would the
publication of certain facts be likely to cause?

2) Who are the intended readers? On the one hand, a family history
written as a gift for young children should not be too horrific; but
some family histories are written precisely to *end* cycles of
concealment and evasion.

3) If others asked you to write, whether for pay or otherwise, what did
they ask for? What limits did they set? What did they already know?

When deciding whether to include a particular fact, consider:

4) How did you come to know it? You certainly can't keep future
generations >from doing their own research and finding what you did!
With oceans of vital records, obituaries, newspapers, court records,
etc. becoming ever more easily searched and accessed, you should assume
that others *will* find out what you did.

5) Does the source carry restrictions? Some people bequeath their
papers to posterity, yet don't want them quoted. Especially if
relatives of the deceased are still alive, this should be considered.

6) How important is it? If you're writing about a central figure or a
central event in a family's story, then you must ask yourself what the
consequences of omission, evasion or deception would be. Some families
have had several suicides, even in one generation. Can one *not* write
about that, and still consider the product to be a history of the family?

I'm currently writing an outline of one of my families, for a volume
honoring the memory of some of them. Limited to 2,000 words, I ask
myself: who should be the focus, and what facts about them matter the
most? So far I've mentioned the cause of death of only three members of
the family: the father (diabetes--knowledge of which could be construed
as a public service to descendants) and one of his seven sons (a doctor
in his early 30s who had a skiing accident). In both cases I felt that
the lack of an explanation would raise questions. But many other
details about the family, some humorous, some sordid, some merely
peculiar, must take a back seat to what I consider important for the
general reader: background, origins, the life of the family, the fates
of its members.

But if I were writing extensively about the personalities of one or of
these people, I'd find it much harder to leave out facts about major
life events, let alone misrepresent them. A survivor's distress in
bereavement will appear in a different light if the deceased was a suicide.

It's hard to imagine any fact of consequence in a family history that
would not cause some descendant some distress. Some do not want to know
that their ancestors were poor; others, that they were wealthy. Some
don't want to know about divorces, abandonment, family strife,
opportunities missed, etc. Some decide, when reading, that they would
have preferred not to know--that the version of events that they had
previously learned or imagined was more valuable than what the writer
has presented.

That said, 4 generations is a long time.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

On 4/27/2013 1:19 AM, Davida Handler wrote:
When writing a family history, is it necessary, or even permissible,
to publish the suicide of an ancestor, no matter how many generations
back that this occurred, and no living descendants who ever even knew
the person? Is the "right to know" applicable to all family members,
or is it best to simply mention the date of death, with no inclusion
of this information? Is the risk of hurting descendants, even if at
least 4 generations removed more important than the facts?
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Including a suicide in a family history #general

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Davida,
There are many things to be considered when deciding what facts to
include in a family history.

1) What's the intent and purpose of your writing? Is this for
publication? For family use? In either case, what harm would the
publication of certain facts be likely to cause?

2) Who are the intended readers? On the one hand, a family history
written as a gift for young children should not be too horrific; but
some family histories are written precisely to *end* cycles of
concealment and evasion.

3) If others asked you to write, whether for pay or otherwise, what did
they ask for? What limits did they set? What did they already know?

When deciding whether to include a particular fact, consider:

4) How did you come to know it? You certainly can't keep future
generations >from doing their own research and finding what you did!
With oceans of vital records, obituaries, newspapers, court records,
etc. becoming ever more easily searched and accessed, you should assume
that others *will* find out what you did.

5) Does the source carry restrictions? Some people bequeath their
papers to posterity, yet don't want them quoted. Especially if
relatives of the deceased are still alive, this should be considered.

6) How important is it? If you're writing about a central figure or a
central event in a family's story, then you must ask yourself what the
consequences of omission, evasion or deception would be. Some families
have had several suicides, even in one generation. Can one *not* write
about that, and still consider the product to be a history of the family?

I'm currently writing an outline of one of my families, for a volume
honoring the memory of some of them. Limited to 2,000 words, I ask
myself: who should be the focus, and what facts about them matter the
most? So far I've mentioned the cause of death of only three members of
the family: the father (diabetes--knowledge of which could be construed
as a public service to descendants) and one of his seven sons (a doctor
in his early 30s who had a skiing accident). In both cases I felt that
the lack of an explanation would raise questions. But many other
details about the family, some humorous, some sordid, some merely
peculiar, must take a back seat to what I consider important for the
general reader: background, origins, the life of the family, the fates
of its members.

But if I were writing extensively about the personalities of one or of
these people, I'd find it much harder to leave out facts about major
life events, let alone misrepresent them. A survivor's distress in
bereavement will appear in a different light if the deceased was a suicide.

It's hard to imagine any fact of consequence in a family history that
would not cause some descendant some distress. Some do not want to know
that their ancestors were poor; others, that they were wealthy. Some
don't want to know about divorces, abandonment, family strife,
opportunities missed, etc. Some decide, when reading, that they would
have preferred not to know--that the version of events that they had
previously learned or imagined was more valuable than what the writer
has presented.

That said, 4 generations is a long time.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

On 4/27/2013 1:19 AM, Davida Handler wrote:
When writing a family history, is it necessary, or even permissible,
to publish the suicide of an ancestor, no matter how many generations
back that this occurred, and no living descendants who ever even knew
the person? Is the "right to know" applicable to all family members,
or is it best to simply mention the date of death, with no inclusion
of this information? Is the risk of hurting descendants, even if at
least 4 generations removed more important than the facts?
Simon SIMSON and family from Gilgenburg #general

Fred Zimmak <Fred.Zimmak@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am searching for more about Simon SIMSON and his family. They emigrated
from Gilgenburg, kreis Osterode, East Prussia to New York 1891.
Simon SIMSON was born 17 December 1856 in Gilgenburg, kreis Osterode, East
Prussia. Parents Abraham (Adolph) Simson and Henriette born Lewin Zacharias.

Simon married Ernestine (Emma) GOTTLUBER 1882. She was born around 1856.
Their children

- Frances (Franziska) born around 1880
- Simon born around 1881. Seems to have died, because later he is not in
the US census.
- Etta born around 1882
- Hattie born around 1884

I find Simon and his wife in the US census until 1930. The they disappear.

Any information about them or decedents are very interesting for me.

Please respond privately: Fred.Zimmak@Bredband.net

Best regards >from Stockholm, Sweden

Fred Zimmak
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Simon SIMSON and family from Gilgenburg #general

Fred Zimmak <Fred.Zimmak@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am searching for more about Simon SIMSON and his family. They emigrated
from Gilgenburg, kreis Osterode, East Prussia to New York 1891.
Simon SIMSON was born 17 December 1856 in Gilgenburg, kreis Osterode, East
Prussia. Parents Abraham (Adolph) Simson and Henriette born Lewin Zacharias.

Simon married Ernestine (Emma) GOTTLUBER 1882. She was born around 1856.
Their children

- Frances (Franziska) born around 1880
- Simon born around 1881. Seems to have died, because later he is not in
the US census.
- Etta born around 1882
- Hattie born around 1884

I find Simon and his wife in the US census until 1930. The they disappear.

Any information about them or decedents are very interesting for me.

Please respond privately: Fred.Zimmak@Bredband.net

Best regards >from Stockholm, Sweden

Fred Zimmak
Re: Members of my family with two first names #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer
 

Dominique,

My observation is that your ancestors each had
- a Hebrew name used for religious occasions such as synagogue services, and
- a civil name used in everyday life.
Both could have been recorded, but not necessarily so.

Regards

David Laufer
Sydney
2. Pnovany Synagogue #austria-czech

zeevr@...
 

Apropos Synagogues of the CSR:

I have information, and a photo of the Trencyn Synagoge.
Also of Klatovy cemetery.
My visit there was in 1991.

In case of interest, contact me at zeevr@technion.ac.il

Zeev Raphael, Haifa
137141 - 137160 of 658045