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Welkoff #ukraine

Gerner Thomsen <gerner.thomsen@...>
 

I have been told by some contributors that I should add more details to my
posting earlier this week about my great-grandmother and her connection to
Welkoff.
My great-grandmother was Jewish and came to Denmark around 1906 where she
met and married a man >from Poland (Riwen Chilew Zismann, born in Lodz). I
have uploaded a copy of the record >from the marriage protocol in Copenhagen
1911 to Viewmate. It's written in Danish, but I will translate the
information about my great-grandmother:

Selda Schliomova Rzesnikov, born in Welkoff 13/12 1890. Parents: Schliume
Rzesnikov and wife (Teme?) in Bobrysk

So obviously Selda was living in Bobrysk before she came to Denmark, but she
is born in Welkoff, and I am interested to know where this town or village
is located.
There is much confusion about Selda's birthdate. In different censuses from
Copenhagen it says that her birthdate is 14/11-1887, 14/11-1890 or
22/10-1888.

I have not seen other spellings of Welkoff, but actually I have also seen it
only one time (in the protocol for her marriage translated above).

There is a another person called Perl (or sometimes Paula) living in
Copenhagen who always has been regarded as a sister of Selda. However, when
I checked more about this, I found that Paulas maiden surname was Katzmann,
indicating that they could not have been sisters? However, since they lived
close to each other in Denmark, and always regarded themselves as 'sisters',
it sounds likely that they came >from the same region. Furthermore, I found a
letter >from 1984, where a daughter to Paula tells a little about
stories/memories that her mother told about their live and family in Russia.
I'll try to quote some of the letter:

"My mother told me that she came >from a happy family where they always were
singing and playing. My mother could play the balalaika and dance Cossack
dance."
"My mother fled to Denmark around 1905 because they persecuted Jews and
burned down their homes. She told that they caught Jews, beheaded them and
cut off the breasts of women"
"I was told that Paula was born in Kiev."

Kiev is not mentioned in any documents I have seen, but since it's the
capital of Ukraine I think it indicates that Ukraine is her home country. So
maybe Welkoff is located in Ukraine, and later the family moved to Bobruisk?
Also the Cossacks are connected with Ukraine, as far as I know? Having said
that, if Paula not is Selda's sister, then this theory isn't worth much. As
I said, I have no evidence that Selda and Paula came >from the same region,
but the children of Selda and Paula (including my grandmother) always
regarded themselves as cousins. It's all a little confusing.
I have also uploaded some old photos to Viewmate. The 2 people in front is
supposed to be Selda's parents in Russia (at different time periods).
However, this information is not verified anywhere. The people in the
background I am not sure about, probably Selda is among them. I don't have
the original photos, and unfortunately I see no logo or stamps >from the
photo shop.
Any help that can proof my great-grandmother's birth and origin is highly
appreciated. Thank you for responses so far.

Best regards,
Gerner


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Welkoff #ukraine

Gerner Thomsen <gerner.thomsen@...>
 

I have been told by some contributors that I should add more details to my
posting earlier this week about my great-grandmother and her connection to
Welkoff.
My great-grandmother was Jewish and came to Denmark around 1906 where she
met and married a man >from Poland (Riwen Chilew Zismann, born in Lodz). I
have uploaded a copy of the record >from the marriage protocol in Copenhagen
1911 to Viewmate. It's written in Danish, but I will translate the
information about my great-grandmother:

Selda Schliomova Rzesnikov, born in Welkoff 13/12 1890. Parents: Schliume
Rzesnikov and wife (Teme?) in Bobrysk

So obviously Selda was living in Bobrysk before she came to Denmark, but she
is born in Welkoff, and I am interested to know where this town or village
is located.
There is much confusion about Selda's birthdate. In different censuses from
Copenhagen it says that her birthdate is 14/11-1887, 14/11-1890 or
22/10-1888.

I have not seen other spellings of Welkoff, but actually I have also seen it
only one time (in the protocol for her marriage translated above).

There is a another person called Perl (or sometimes Paula) living in
Copenhagen who always has been regarded as a sister of Selda. However, when
I checked more about this, I found that Paulas maiden surname was Katzmann,
indicating that they could not have been sisters? However, since they lived
close to each other in Denmark, and always regarded themselves as 'sisters',
it sounds likely that they came >from the same region. Furthermore, I found a
letter >from 1984, where a daughter to Paula tells a little about
stories/memories that her mother told about their live and family in Russia.
I'll try to quote some of the letter:

"My mother told me that she came >from a happy family where they always were
singing and playing. My mother could play the balalaika and dance Cossack
dance."
"My mother fled to Denmark around 1905 because they persecuted Jews and
burned down their homes. She told that they caught Jews, beheaded them and
cut off the breasts of women"
"I was told that Paula was born in Kiev."

Kiev is not mentioned in any documents I have seen, but since it's the
capital of Ukraine I think it indicates that Ukraine is her home country. So
maybe Welkoff is located in Ukraine, and later the family moved to Bobruisk?
Also the Cossacks are connected with Ukraine, as far as I know? Having said
that, if Paula not is Selda's sister, then this theory isn't worth much. As
I said, I have no evidence that Selda and Paula came >from the same region,
but the children of Selda and Paula (including my grandmother) always
regarded themselves as cousins. It's all a little confusing.
I have also uploaded some old photos to Viewmate. The 2 people in front is
supposed to be Selda's parents in Russia (at different time periods).
However, this information is not verified anywhere. The people in the
background I am not sure about, probably Selda is among them. I don't have
the original photos, and unfortunately I see no logo or stamps >from the
photo shop.
Any help that can proof my great-grandmother's birth and origin is highly
appreciated. Thank you for responses so far.

Best regards,
Gerner


Re: Universities and Czech Jews in the early 20th Century #austria-czech

ngaupakyip@...
 

My grandfather attended Technische Lehranstalt Bodenbach (in Decin)
from 1924-27. He studied for an engineering degree, but left it
unfinished. The only other Jewish student in his cohort was the son
of a close collaborator of Rudolf Diesel. I don't know the surname,
but the family held exclusive rights to the diesel engine in parts of
eastern Europe. (Can anyone help with the name?) This other student
was the outstanding scholar of the cohort, but he and my grandfather
faced considerable anti-Semitic harassment >from classmates. My
grandfather was raised in Ostrava, and had not previously experienced
much of this sort of thing.

Michael Gordy
Maryland, USA


Re: Universities and Czech Jews in the early 20th Century #austria-czech

ellenhuppert@...
 

My father-in-law, Paul A. Huppert, received a doctorate in chemistry
in 1921 >from the German Karl-Ferdinands-University. He had a career
as a specialist in enamel coatings.

Ellen Huppert
San Francisco, CA


Re: Universities for Czech Jews in the early 20th Century #austria-czech

vshovlin@...
 

Hi, Craig

I've sent you a list of universities mentioned in a book published by the U.S. Dept. of Education in 1908
giving the names of Austrian universities and polytechnic schools ( Report of the Commissioner of
Education for the year ending June 30, 1908, Volume 1- available on Google books).  Hope it is helpful.

Virginia

Virginia Shovlin
vshovlin@sbcglobal.net


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Universities and Czech Jews in the early 20th Century #austria-czech

ngaupakyip@...
 

My grandfather attended Technische Lehranstalt Bodenbach (in Decin)
from 1924-27. He studied for an engineering degree, but left it
unfinished. The only other Jewish student in his cohort was the son
of a close collaborator of Rudolf Diesel. I don't know the surname,
but the family held exclusive rights to the diesel engine in parts of
eastern Europe. (Can anyone help with the name?) This other student
was the outstanding scholar of the cohort, but he and my grandfather
faced considerable anti-Semitic harassment >from classmates. My
grandfather was raised in Ostrava, and had not previously experienced
much of this sort of thing.

Michael Gordy
Maryland, USA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Universities and Czech Jews in the early 20th Century #austria-czech

ellenhuppert@...
 

My father-in-law, Paul A. Huppert, received a doctorate in chemistry
in 1921 >from the German Karl-Ferdinands-University. He had a career
as a specialist in enamel coatings.

Ellen Huppert
San Francisco, CA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Universities for Czech Jews in the early 20th Century #austria-czech

vshovlin@...
 

Hi, Craig

I've sent you a list of universities mentioned in a book published by the U.S. Dept. of Education in 1908
giving the names of Austrian universities and polytechnic schools ( Report of the Commissioner of
Education for the year ending June 30, 1908, Volume 1- available on Google books).  Hope it is helpful.

Virginia

Virginia Shovlin
vshovlin@sbcglobal.net


My grandfather Asher Cooper #ukraine

Jack Miller <jmiller@...>
 

My grandfather Asher Cooper was born (Dec. 24th or 25th, 1881) in Hertz
(and any of 10 other spellings), then in Roumania but now in the Ukraine.
He emigrated to the US in 1898, and to Canada in 1910. I have been unable
to find any trace of him in the old country. Any help would be muchly
appreciated.

Jack Miller

Dr. Jack M.Miller
Special Advisor on Buildings & Space
Emeritus Professor of Chemistry
Brock University
St. Catharines, ON, L2S3A1


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine My grandfather Asher Cooper #ukraine

Jack Miller <jmiller@...>
 

My grandfather Asher Cooper was born (Dec. 24th or 25th, 1881) in Hertz
(and any of 10 other spellings), then in Roumania but now in the Ukraine.
He emigrated to the US in 1898, and to Canada in 1910. I have been unable
to find any trace of him in the old country. Any help would be muchly
appreciated.

Jack Miller

Dr. Jack M.Miller
Special Advisor on Buildings & Space
Emeritus Professor of Chemistry
Brock University
St. Catharines, ON, L2S3A1


Re: ukraine digest: March 13, 2014 #ukraine

Adina Bernstein
 

Hello Pablo

I may be able to help regarding your question about HUBNER family. I had a roommate in college whose last name at the time was HUBNER. Her parents at the time lived in Brooklyn, NY. Though it might not be the family you are looking for, her father was German I think and her mother is Jewish.

My mother's maternal grandparents also came >from Dobromil. My great grandmother's surname was LOEVENTHAL (changed to LOWENTHAL after immigrating) and TREIBER/MEHLER (changed to MILLER after immigrating and changed several times in Poland to avoid mandatory military service).

Adina Bernstein

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please do not hit "reply" to post to this list. It copies the whole digest and makes more work for your friendly moderator. :-)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: ukraine digest: March 13, 2014 #ukraine

Adina Bernstein
 

Hello Pablo

I may be able to help regarding your question about HUBNER family. I had a roommate in college whose last name at the time was HUBNER. Her parents at the time lived in Brooklyn, NY. Though it might not be the family you are looking for, her father was German I think and her mother is Jewish.

My mother's maternal grandparents also came >from Dobromil. My great grandmother's surname was LOEVENTHAL (changed to LOWENTHAL after immigrating) and TREIBER/MEHLER (changed to MILLER after immigrating and changed several times in Poland to avoid mandatory military service).

Adina Bernstein

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please do not hit "reply" to post to this list. It copies the whole digest and makes more work for your friendly moderator. :-)


Presentation in Sarasota FL March 21, 2014 #general

Jo Ann Goldwater
 

Hi everyone,

If you are in or near Sarasota FL, you are invited to come and hear my
presentation entitled

"Holocaust and Other Jewish Sites in Latvia and Lithuania: My Photo Experiences"

Friday, March 21, 2014
10:30 AM
The Al Katz Center for Holocaust Survivors and Jewish Learning Inc.
713 South Orange Avenue
Burns Square, Sarasota
$12 per adult * $5 per student * Light kosher lunch

Everyone is welcome. For more information and reservations, contact:

Beverly Newman 941-313-9239

Hope to see you there, regards, Jo Ann Goldwater


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Presentation in Sarasota FL March 21, 2014 #general

Jo Ann Goldwater
 

Hi everyone,

If you are in or near Sarasota FL, you are invited to come and hear my
presentation entitled

"Holocaust and Other Jewish Sites in Latvia and Lithuania: My Photo Experiences"

Friday, March 21, 2014
10:30 AM
The Al Katz Center for Holocaust Survivors and Jewish Learning Inc.
713 South Orange Avenue
Burns Square, Sarasota
$12 per adult * $5 per student * Light kosher lunch

Everyone is welcome. For more information and reservations, contact:

Beverly Newman 941-313-9239

Hope to see you there, regards, Jo Ann Goldwater


Re: Release from Dachau 1939 #austria-czech

anne_schmitz@...
 

To Austria-Czech SIG  
Mar 13 at 6:42 PM  Re:Release >from Dachau 1939,

I very much enjoyed the story of your brave blonde mother and her
distinctly Viennese sense of humour and flaunting of the rules. I
immediately phoned my mother and read it to her.  My grandfather was
also arrested in May 1938 and sent to Dachau for 4 1/2 months and then
on to Buchenwald for another 4 1/2. My grandmother tried all the proper
channels before finally taking the train to Berlin and walking into
Gestapo headquarters. She was also a good-looking blonde but in her
40's. She  astonished the officers by telling them that since they didn't
want her husband in the Reich and he agreed with them, they
should just tell her what to do to get him out. And so the did. He did
not survive the war but at least did not die in a camp.
Thank
you
Anne Schmitz
Ottawa ON


Re: Universities and Czech Jews in the early 20th Century #austria-czech

schwarzs@...
 

Hi Craig, my father received his Medical Degree >from the German
Karl-Ferdinands-University in Prague, he studied Medicine >from 1915 to 1920.
In 1915 it was K.K.Deutsche Karl-Ferdinands Universitaet zu Prag , The K.K.
designation was removed when Czechoslovakia was created after W.W.1 - The
Charles University was one of the oldest and was establishe by Emperor
Charles V. -Herb Schwarz, Ontario,Canada


Re: Universities and Czech Jews in the early 20th Century #austria-czech

rfc974@...
 

Hi Herb:

Thank you -- this is useful!

Craig


Re: Universities and Czech Jews in the early 20th Century #austria-czech

schwarzs@...
 

Hi Craig, further to my last message, Engineering Degrees were also granted
by Technical Colleges (Technische Hochschule). Plzen had a Technical College
granting Engineering Degrees. Herb Schwarz


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re:Release from Dachau 1939 #austria-czech

anne_schmitz@...
 

To Austria-Czech SIG  
Mar 13 at 6:42 PM  Re:Release >from Dachau 1939,

I very much enjoyed the story of your brave blonde mother and her
distinctly Viennese sense of humour and flaunting of the rules. I
immediately phoned my mother and read it to her.  My grandfather was
also arrested in May 1938 and sent to Dachau for 4 1/2 months and then
on to Buchenwald for another 4 1/2. My grandmother tried all the proper
channels before finally taking the train to Berlin and walking into
Gestapo headquarters. She was also a good-looking blonde but in her
40's. She  astonished the officers by telling them that since they didn't
want her husband in the Reich and he agreed with them, they
should just tell her what to do to get him out. And so the did. He did
not survive the war but at least did not die in a camp.
Thank
you
Anne Schmitz
Ottawa ON


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Universities and Czech Jews in the early 20th Century #austria-czech

schwarzs@...
 

Hi Craig, my father received his Medical Degree >from the German
Karl-Ferdinands-University in Prague, he studied Medicine >from 1915 to 1920.
In 1915 it was K.K.Deutsche Karl-Ferdinands Universitaet zu Prag , The K.K.
designation was removed when Czechoslovakia was created after W.W.1 - The
Charles University was one of the oldest and was establishe by Emperor
Charles V. -Herb Schwarz, Ontario,Canada

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