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e-mail address for Matthew MORGENTHAU-Chicago #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Going through old pix I found a picture of myself with a Matthew
MORGENTHAU and his sister Susan. If anyone can send me his (or hers)
e-mail address they may be interested in the picture.

Matthew is 73 y.o. and addresses I have for him are:Oak Park ave,
Diversey and Western.

Yoni Ben-Ari (Katzoff), Jerusalem (formerly Chicago)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen e-mail address for Matthew MORGENTHAU-Chicago #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Going through old pix I found a picture of myself with a Matthew
MORGENTHAU and his sister Susan. If anyone can send me his (or hers)
e-mail address they may be interested in the picture.

Matthew is 73 y.o. and addresses I have for him are:Oak Park ave,
Diversey and Western.

Yoni Ben-Ari (Katzoff), Jerusalem (formerly Chicago)


Connection between BALCOME of London and JERUSALEMSKY, .U.S.A #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

My wife's late cousin's Barney and Julia BALBOME (BALCOMB) of
London, England. Our connection to them was via Julia. We have lost
contact with their family and would be interested to know if anyone
knows the exact connection.

We met many years ago a GOLDSTEIN family who were relatives of Julia.

Chag Sukkot Sameach/ Happy Sukkot to all.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Descendants of Sprintze daughter of Naftai KATZ #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

According to our family tree we descendant of R' Naftali KATZ's
("Smichat Chachamim") daughter Sprinze. I have seen several family
trees of her descendants but after some 4-5 generations our branch
disappears >from the published trees and I am trying to "tie up" some
lose ends.

Sprintze had a son and grandson , Shmuel and Aryeh Leib, who were at
some point Rabbis of Kremenitz. These seem to be my forfathers. Our
branch seems to go to a daughter (name unknown) who married a yoseph,
listed as Rabbi of Breznitz (probably in the area of Rava Ruska).
They had a son name Israel (of Ostroh) who in turn had a son who
Yoseph married the daughter of the Admo'r of Lechowitz. We are not
descendants of the latter Yoseph but of a brother , David.

I have not found any published trees of Shmuel and Aryeh Leib's above
unnamed daughter. I would also be interested in identifying and
details regarding the above R' Yoseph of Breznitz.

TIA.
Chag Sameach

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Connection between BALCOME of London and JERUSALEMSKY, .U.S.A #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

My wife's late cousin's Barney and Julia BALBOME (BALCOMB) of
London, England. Our connection to them was via Julia. We have lost
contact with their family and would be interested to know if anyone
knows the exact connection.

We met many years ago a GOLDSTEIN family who were relatives of Julia.

Chag Sukkot Sameach/ Happy Sukkot to all.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Descendants of Sprintze daughter of Naftai KATZ #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

According to our family tree we descendant of R' Naftali KATZ's
("Smichat Chachamim") daughter Sprinze. I have seen several family
trees of her descendants but after some 4-5 generations our branch
disappears >from the published trees and I am trying to "tie up" some
lose ends.

Sprintze had a son and grandson , Shmuel and Aryeh Leib, who were at
some point Rabbis of Kremenitz. These seem to be my forfathers. Our
branch seems to go to a daughter (name unknown) who married a yoseph,
listed as Rabbi of Breznitz (probably in the area of Rava Ruska).
They had a son name Israel (of Ostroh) who in turn had a son who
Yoseph married the daughter of the Admo'r of Lechowitz. We are not
descendants of the latter Yoseph but of a brother , David.

I have not found any published trees of Shmuel and Aryeh Leib's above
unnamed daughter. I would also be interested in identifying and
details regarding the above R' Yoseph of Breznitz.

TIA.
Chag Sameach

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Descendants of R' Moshe of Kletzk (18th cent.) #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In the 18th cent. there was a Rav of Novarodok, Reb. David son of R'
Moshe of Kletzk (author of a book "Galia Mesechet). According to a
dictated note of a greatuncle of mine, his wife's father, Reb. Mayer
ABRAMOWITZ (also known as Reb. Mayer SOFER of Jerusalem) was a
descendant of the above, R' David of Novarodok's brother (first name
unknown) and thereby being a direct descendant of the above Moshe of
Kletzk.

I have not found any published sources regarding R' David's family
name (if he had one) but have been informed by members of this forum
that he went under the family name TZCHEMERINSKY. On the other hand
our branch (if my greatuncle was correct ) was ABRAMOWITZ. This I know
is not an uncommon occurrence.

Is anyone aware of R' Moshe of Kletzk's children besides his son David
of Novarodok?

Chag Sameach,

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Descendants of R' Moshe of Kletzk (18th cent.) #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In the 18th cent. there was a Rav of Novarodok, Reb. David son of R'
Moshe of Kletzk (author of a book "Galia Mesechet). According to a
dictated note of a greatuncle of mine, his wife's father, Reb. Mayer
ABRAMOWITZ (also known as Reb. Mayer SOFER of Jerusalem) was a
descendant of the above, R' David of Novarodok's brother (first name
unknown) and thereby being a direct descendant of the above Moshe of
Kletzk.

I have not found any published sources regarding R' David's family
name (if he had one) but have been informed by members of this forum
that he went under the family name TZCHEMERINSKY. On the other hand
our branch (if my greatuncle was correct ) was ABRAMOWITZ. This I know
is not an uncommon occurrence.

Is anyone aware of R' Moshe of Kletzk's children besides his son David
of Novarodok?

Chag Sameach,

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Connection between SHAT"Z family in Karlin and Reb Chaim of Volozhin #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

According to a dictated note of my great uncle, his wife's mother,
Bracha SCHECHTER (ne KANTOR) who was born in Karlin (Pinsk) was a
descendant of Reb Chaim of Volozhin. The connection seemingly via her
mother , Sarah Hinde SCHAT"Z. We are not sure if SCHATZ was the
family name or the name of her father's (Yoseph) profession "shaliach
tzibur" (cantor/Chazan).

According to one family rumor Reb Chaim's son, Itzaleh, was Sarah
Hinde's "unterferin" (escort to the "chupa"-wedding), seemingly in
place of Sarah Hinde's parents who both died at a young age.

I have seen several published trees of Reb. Chaim's descendants and
have not seen the name Sarah Hinde in any of them, although I did read
that one of R' Itzaleh's daughter's and husband passed away during his
lifetime (LANDAU).

Is anyone aware of this Sarah Hinde in the Volozhin family?

Chag Sameach

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Connection between SHAT"Z family in Karlin and Reb Chaim of Volozhin #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

According to a dictated note of my great uncle, his wife's mother,
Bracha SCHECHTER (ne KANTOR) who was born in Karlin (Pinsk) was a
descendant of Reb Chaim of Volozhin. The connection seemingly via her
mother , Sarah Hinde SCHAT"Z. We are not sure if SCHATZ was the
family name or the name of her father's (Yoseph) profession "shaliach
tzibur" (cantor/Chazan).

According to one family rumor Reb Chaim's son, Itzaleh, was Sarah
Hinde's "unterferin" (escort to the "chupa"-wedding), seemingly in
place of Sarah Hinde's parents who both died at a young age.

I have seen several published trees of Reb. Chaim's descendants and
have not seen the name Sarah Hinde in any of them, although I did read
that one of R' Itzaleh's daughter's and husband passed away during his
lifetime (LANDAU).

Is anyone aware of this Sarah Hinde in the Volozhin family?

Chag Sameach

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Descendants of R' Moshe of Kletzk (18th cent.) #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In the 18th cent. there was a Rav of Novarodok, Reb. David son of R'
Moshe of Kletzk (author of a book "Galia Mesechet). According to a
dictated note of a greatuncle of mine, his wife's father, Reb. Mayer
ABRAMOWITZ (also known as Reb. Mayer SOFER of Jerusalem) was a
descendant of the above, R' David of Novarodok's brother (first name
unknown) and thereby being a direct descendant of the above Moshe of
Kletzk.

I have not found any published sources regarding R' David's family
name (if he had one) but have been informed by members of this forum
that he went under the family name TZCHEMERINSKY. On the other hand
our branch (if my greatuncle was correct ) was ABRAMOWITZ. This I know
is not an uncommon occurrence.

Is anyone aware of R' Moshe of Kletzk's children besides his son David
of Novarodok?

Chag Sameach,

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Descendants of Sprintze daughter of Naftali KATZ #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

According to our family tree we descendant of R' Naftali KATZ's
("Smichat Chachamim") daughter Sprinze. I have seen several family
trees of her descendants but after some 4-5 generations our branch
disappears >from the published trees and I am trying to "tie up" some
lose ends.

Sprintze had a son and grandson , Shmuel and Aryeh Leib, who were at
some point Rabbis of Kremenitz. These seem to be my forfathers. Our
branch seems to go to a daughter (name unknown) who married a yoseph,
listed as Rabbi of Breznitz (probably in the area of Rava Ruska).
They had a son name Israel (of Ostroh) who in turn had a son who
Yoseph married the daughter of the Admo'r of Lechowitz. We are not
descendants of the latter Yoseph but of a brother , David.

I have not found any published trees of Shmuel and Aryeh Leib's above
unnamed daughter. I would also be interested in identifying and
details regarding the above R' Yoseph of Breznitz.

TIA.
Chag Sameach

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Descendants of R' Moshe of Kletzk (18th cent.) #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In the 18th cent. there was a Rav of Novarodok, Reb. David son of R'
Moshe of Kletzk (author of a book "Galia Mesechet). According to a
dictated note of a greatuncle of mine, his wife's father, Reb. Mayer
ABRAMOWITZ (also known as Reb. Mayer SOFER of Jerusalem) was a
descendant of the above, R' David of Novarodok's brother (first name
unknown) and thereby being a direct descendant of the above Moshe of
Kletzk.

I have not found any published sources regarding R' David's family
name (if he had one) but have been informed by members of this forum
that he went under the family name TZCHEMERINSKY. On the other hand
our branch (if my greatuncle was correct ) was ABRAMOWITZ. This I know
is not an uncommon occurrence.

Is anyone aware of R' Moshe of Kletzk's children besides his son David
of Novarodok?

Chag Sameach,

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Descendants of Sprintze daughter of Naftali KATZ #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

According to our family tree we descendant of R' Naftali KATZ's
("Smichat Chachamim") daughter Sprinze. I have seen several family
trees of her descendants but after some 4-5 generations our branch
disappears >from the published trees and I am trying to "tie up" some
lose ends.

Sprintze had a son and grandson , Shmuel and Aryeh Leib, who were at
some point Rabbis of Kremenitz. These seem to be my forfathers. Our
branch seems to go to a daughter (name unknown) who married a yoseph,
listed as Rabbi of Breznitz (probably in the area of Rava Ruska).
They had a son name Israel (of Ostroh) who in turn had a son who
Yoseph married the daughter of the Admo'r of Lechowitz. We are not
descendants of the latter Yoseph but of a brother , David.

I have not found any published trees of Shmuel and Aryeh Leib's above
unnamed daughter. I would also be interested in identifying and
details regarding the above R' Yoseph of Breznitz.

TIA.
Chag Sameach

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Connection between SHAT"Z family in Karlin and Reb Chaim of Volozhin #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

According to a dictated note of my great uncle, his wife's mother,
Bracha SCHECHTER (ne KANTOR) who was born in Karlin (Pinsk) was a
descendant of Reb Chaim of Volozhin. The connection seemingly via her
mother , Sarah Hinde SCHAT"Z. We are not sure if SCHATZ was the
family name or the name of her father's (Yoseph) profession "shaliach
tzibur" (cantor/Chazan).

According to one family rumor Reb Chaim's son, Itzaleh, was Sarah
Hinde's "unterferin" (escort to the "chupa"-wedding), seemingly in
place of Sarah Hinde's parents who both died at a young age.

I have seen several published trees of Reb. Chaim's descendants and
have not seen the name Sarah Hinde in any of them, although I did read
that one of R' Itzaleh's daughter's and husband passed away during his
lifetime (LANDAU).

Is anyone aware of this Sarah Hinde in the Volozhin family?

Chag Sameach

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Connection between SHAT"Z family in Karlin and Reb Chaim of Volozhin #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

According to a dictated note of my great uncle, his wife's mother,
Bracha SCHECHTER (ne KANTOR) who was born in Karlin (Pinsk) was a
descendant of Reb Chaim of Volozhin. The connection seemingly via her
mother , Sarah Hinde SCHAT"Z. We are not sure if SCHATZ was the
family name or the name of her father's (Yoseph) profession "shaliach
tzibur" (cantor/Chazan).

According to one family rumor Reb Chaim's son, Itzaleh, was Sarah
Hinde's "unterferin" (escort to the "chupa"-wedding), seemingly in
place of Sarah Hinde's parents who both died at a young age.

I have seen several published trees of Reb. Chaim's descendants and
have not seen the name Sarah Hinde in any of them, although I did read
that one of R' Itzaleh's daughter's and husband passed away during his
lifetime (LANDAU).

Is anyone aware of this Sarah Hinde in the Volozhin family?

Chag Sameach

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Attic Marriages #austria-czech

holijoli@...
 

I had never heard the Term "attic marriage". However, in the Czech
birth records there are columns for "ehelich" and "unehelich", meaning
legitimate and illegitimate. In light of familiant laws and the civic
recording of all births, and since, for the most part the Jewish
community was observant (and judgmental), I find it hard to believe
that religious but not civil unions were uncommon. One of my
ancestors had 6 unehelich children between 1840 and 1849. All took
place in her father's home. Three months after the 6th child was
born, she was able to marry the father of her children. I think they
became legitimized after the fact. She and her husband proceeded to
have 3 more children.

Susan L. Lubow


Attic Marriages #austria-czech

Hank Lobbenberg
 

This is an interesting subject for me.
My wife was born in STANISLAVOV, Poland. Her great grandparents, Simcha
Helft married Sara Teitler (>from Lysiec which is now in the Ukraine as is
STANISLAVOV now known as IVANO-FRANKIVSK.
According to the data we were able to find, their marriage records of the
mid nineteenth century are listed as "linke' and "rechte". We have
understood these references to indicate that they were religious (linke) and
civil (rechte). At that time the city was STANISLAU, Austria-Hungary.
Has anyone else have these references in their trees?
Henry Lobbenberg
TORONTO, ON, Canada


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Attic Marriages #austria-czech

holijoli@...
 

I had never heard the Term "attic marriage". However, in the Czech
birth records there are columns for "ehelich" and "unehelich", meaning
legitimate and illegitimate. In light of familiant laws and the civic
recording of all births, and since, for the most part the Jewish
community was observant (and judgmental), I find it hard to believe
that religious but not civil unions were uncommon. One of my
ancestors had 6 unehelich children between 1840 and 1849. All took
place in her father's home. Three months after the 6th child was
born, she was able to marry the father of her children. I think they
became legitimized after the fact. She and her husband proceeded to
have 3 more children.

Susan L. Lubow


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Attic Marriages #austria-czech

Hank Lobbenberg
 

This is an interesting subject for me.
My wife was born in STANISLAVOV, Poland. Her great grandparents, Simcha
Helft married Sara Teitler (>from Lysiec which is now in the Ukraine as is
STANISLAVOV now known as IVANO-FRANKIVSK.
According to the data we were able to find, their marriage records of the
mid nineteenth century are listed as "linke' and "rechte". We have
understood these references to indicate that they were religious (linke) and
civil (rechte). At that time the city was STANISLAU, Austria-Hungary.
Has anyone else have these references in their trees?
Henry Lobbenberg
TORONTO, ON, Canada

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