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Re: QIV Numbers #general

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

Michael Bernet wrote about the internment of 'enemy aliens' in Britain in
1940. It was certainly a shameful episode. However, many of those who were
released >from internment eventually joining the British armed forces.

But his account needs a few corrections.
<snip> In May 1940 the British rounded up all male "enemy aliens"
including tens of thousands of Jewish refugees (...)
Not 'all' were rounded up in May 1940; it took longer than that.
The internment began before Dunkirk and was primarily a response to events
in Norway and in particular to Quisling and the notion of a Fifth Column.
The jeering was localised, and certainly took place in Liverpool. The
hostility was because they were German not because of being thought of as
spies.

<snip> Most were sent to the Isle of Man (in the Irish Sea) and put up in
the empty hotels.
The British offered them an opportunity to go to Canada or Australia, and
promised to arrange for their families to follow. They were put on
military transports together with captured German soldiers. (snip)

Some (as well as long-established Italians) were sent to Canada and
Australia. They were sent, not given the option. German POWs were on the
same ships and the crossings were traumatic. The ship Dunera took weeks to
get to Australia by which time internees were being released. They were
sent back for release straight away. One ship, the Andora Star, on its way
to Canada, was sunk by enemy action and many lives lost.
Most of the internees were not released in late 1940. It took longer than
that.

Harold Pollins

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: QIV Numbers #general

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

Michael Bernet wrote about the internment of 'enemy aliens' in Britain in
1940. It was certainly a shameful episode. However, many of those who were
released >from internment eventually joining the British armed forces.

But his account needs a few corrections.
<snip> In May 1940 the British rounded up all male "enemy aliens"
including tens of thousands of Jewish refugees (...)
Not 'all' were rounded up in May 1940; it took longer than that.
The internment began before Dunkirk and was primarily a response to events
in Norway and in particular to Quisling and the notion of a Fifth Column.
The jeering was localised, and certainly took place in Liverpool. The
hostility was because they were German not because of being thought of as
spies.

<snip> Most were sent to the Isle of Man (in the Irish Sea) and put up in
the empty hotels.
The British offered them an opportunity to go to Canada or Australia, and
promised to arrange for their families to follow. They were put on
military transports together with captured German soldiers. (snip)

Some (as well as long-established Italians) were sent to Canada and
Australia. They were sent, not given the option. German POWs were on the
same ships and the crossings were traumatic. The ship Dunera took weeks to
get to Australia by which time internees were being released. They were
sent back for release straight away. One ship, the Andora Star, on its way
to Canada, was sunk by enemy action and many lives lost.
Most of the internees were not released in late 1940. It took longer than
that.

Harold Pollins

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references on this topic will be posted.
Searching: ROTENSTEIN (Warsaw) #general

Nicole Berline <berline@...>
 

My grandfather was Berek Rotenstein. He married Sura Rochman. They
lived in Warszawa, Berek worked in a thread factory (was head of it ?
may be owned it ?). They had several children, one of them my mother
Ruchla Rotenstein, born in 1917.

My mother emigrated to France in 1938. As far as we know, nobody else
from her family survived the Shoah. She told us almost nothing about
her family and life in Poland, because it was too distressing for her.
She died 12 years ago, and since then I have been trying to trace her
family, without success. I am giving it a new try using Internet .

Nicole Berline
France
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: ROTENSTEIN (Warsaw) #general

Nicole Berline <berline@...>
 

My grandfather was Berek Rotenstein. He married Sura Rochman. They
lived in Warszawa, Berek worked in a thread factory (was head of it ?
may be owned it ?). They had several children, one of them my mother
Ruchla Rotenstein, born in 1917.

My mother emigrated to France in 1938. As far as we know, nobody else
from her family survived the Shoah. She told us almost nothing about
her family and life in Poland, because it was too distressing for her.
She died 12 years ago, and since then I have been trying to trace her
family, without success. I am giving it a new try using Internet .

Nicole Berline
France
Re: Retirement Home for rabbis #general

Haim Fridman <fridman@...>
 

Richard Hoffman asked:

My great-grandfather, Velvel SHEDLOVSKY, reportedly died at the age of 104
years at a retirement home for rabbis in Lithuania. (...)Does anyone out
there
know how I can proceed on this?
I think this is a modernisation of the term for an institution common in
large Jewish communities - a Moshav Zekeinim.

But I have never heard of such a place being specially for rabbis.

These institutions usually maintained a register (a Pinkas). If you knew
which town, you could try and search Judaica libraries and archives to see
if such a Pinkas Moshav Zekeinim exists for the place.

Many Yizkor books include a description of a Moshav Zekeinim if one was
functioning in the particular town. So you could start by researching the
Yizkor books for the towns where your ancestor lived.

Gmar Khatimah Tovah
Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Retirement Home for rabbis #general

Haim Fridman <fridman@...>
 

Richard Hoffman asked:

My great-grandfather, Velvel SHEDLOVSKY, reportedly died at the age of 104
years at a retirement home for rabbis in Lithuania. (...)Does anyone out
there
know how I can proceed on this?
I think this is a modernisation of the term for an institution common in
large Jewish communities - a Moshav Zekeinim.

But I have never heard of such a place being specially for rabbis.

These institutions usually maintained a register (a Pinkas). If you knew
which town, you could try and search Judaica libraries and archives to see
if such a Pinkas Moshav Zekeinim exists for the place.

Many Yizkor books include a description of a Moshav Zekeinim if one was
functioning in the particular town. So you could start by researching the
Yizkor books for the towns where your ancestor lived.

Gmar Khatimah Tovah
Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
YOMTOV (= BONEE, BONET, BAERNET, BANETH, PANETH, JONAP AND GUTTENTAG) #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-09-19 Tom Venetianer writes:
<< The words are JO' NAPOT == (have) a good day == boker tov.
Etymology is:
'jo' == good; 'nap' == day; 'ot' a common Hungarian suffix
meaning "a" or "one." JO' NAP means 'good day', and *is not* a
greeting.

The Hungarian Ashkenazim call Yom Tov "jontev" (sounds like
jontaph) a corrupted form of the Hebrew words. This has nothing
to do with 'jo napot'.

==My apologies to the JewishGen members who told me of their
family name, Jonap, and told me it was Hungarian for YomTov
(Hebr: good day or festival) which was their traditional Hebrew name.
(Unfortunately I cannot find our communications, nor that with another
Jonap who wrote to me >from some distant country; I lost their
communications when I tried to put them in touch with each other far,
far too late into the night! Please get in touch with me!!)
from some I heard that the Jonaps of Hungary are Cohanim--so
they're clearly not related to the Levite YomTovs

I had thought the JONAP name sounded too close to the various
forms for YomTov such as Jontef, Jontaph; not willing to be
convinced, I posted a query to this List and had many replies >from
Magyarphones who confirm that Jonap is indeed Hungarian for
"Good Day." That, and "Festival," is exactly what YomTov means.
Which shows the dangers of falling into quick "aha"s, whether
of optimism or of cynicism, when dealing with genealogy.

The way I see the derivation is that a family known as Jontef,
settled in Hungary, discovers that the Hungarian translation is a pretty
close match to their Hebrew family name and adopts it with a smile.
Aha? Well, it's a good try -- and it DOES make good sense.

I used to know a family GUTTENTAG in Gatehead on Tyne, UK.
Another YomTov derivation? Can anyone help me get in touch with
them?

Shana Tovah

Michael Bernet, NYC (ancestral line >from Frensdorf/Bamberg
region, Germany)

SEEKING any variant on YOM-TOV: Bonjorn, Bonne, Bonnet,
Baernet, Baneth, Bernert, Paneth, Bondis, Bondi/y, Bonem, Jonap,
especially Levites and those in whose family the Hebrew name YomTov, Baer, Ber
or Dov is common
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen YOMTOV (= BONEE, BONET, BAERNET, BANETH, PANETH, JONAP AND GUTTENTAG) #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-09-19 Tom Venetianer writes:
<< The words are JO' NAPOT == (have) a good day == boker tov.
Etymology is:
'jo' == good; 'nap' == day; 'ot' a common Hungarian suffix
meaning "a" or "one." JO' NAP means 'good day', and *is not* a
greeting.

The Hungarian Ashkenazim call Yom Tov "jontev" (sounds like
jontaph) a corrupted form of the Hebrew words. This has nothing
to do with 'jo napot'.

==My apologies to the JewishGen members who told me of their
family name, Jonap, and told me it was Hungarian for YomTov
(Hebr: good day or festival) which was their traditional Hebrew name.
(Unfortunately I cannot find our communications, nor that with another
Jonap who wrote to me >from some distant country; I lost their
communications when I tried to put them in touch with each other far,
far too late into the night! Please get in touch with me!!)
from some I heard that the Jonaps of Hungary are Cohanim--so
they're clearly not related to the Levite YomTovs

I had thought the JONAP name sounded too close to the various
forms for YomTov such as Jontef, Jontaph; not willing to be
convinced, I posted a query to this List and had many replies >from
Magyarphones who confirm that Jonap is indeed Hungarian for
"Good Day." That, and "Festival," is exactly what YomTov means.
Which shows the dangers of falling into quick "aha"s, whether
of optimism or of cynicism, when dealing with genealogy.

The way I see the derivation is that a family known as Jontef,
settled in Hungary, discovers that the Hungarian translation is a pretty
close match to their Hebrew family name and adopts it with a smile.
Aha? Well, it's a good try -- and it DOES make good sense.

I used to know a family GUTTENTAG in Gatehead on Tyne, UK.
Another YomTov derivation? Can anyone help me get in touch with
them?

Shana Tovah

Michael Bernet, NYC (ancestral line >from Frensdorf/Bamberg
region, Germany)

SEEKING any variant on YOM-TOV: Bonjorn, Bonne, Bonnet,
Baernet, Baneth, Bernert, Paneth, Bondis, Bondi/y, Bonem, Jonap,
especially Levites and those in whose family the Hebrew name YomTov, Baer, Ber
or Dov is common
Smiltene-Searching for Blankfeld and Melamed #latvia

SVass@...
 

My mother, grandmother, two uncles, and some cousins came >from Smiltene to the
Chicago area in the 1920s and1930s. My mother and father visited Riga and
Smiltene in the late 1960s. No trace of the Jewish community in Smiltene
remained according to her.
Sam
Latvia SIG #Latvia Smiltene-Searching for Blankfeld and Melamed #latvia

SVass@...
 

My mother, grandmother, two uncles, and some cousins came >from Smiltene to the
Chicago area in the 1920s and1930s. My mother and father visited Riga and
Smiltene in the late 1960s. No trace of the Jewish community in Smiltene
remained according to her.
Sam
Belarus SIG Membership Report -300 #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

Dear Belarus SIG Members:

First of all I want to thank all of you for being part of this ever
growing group. Many people have come forward to volunteer to
translate/transliterate, enter data in spreadsheets, go to libraries to
obtain data, donate research material, run the web site, head research
groups, and a host of other tasks. Some have contributed money to the
research projects. There have been a wonderful exchanges of information
over the discussion group. I hope that more and more of you will find
the time and resources that will help us all in our quest to expand our
knowledge.

I am happy to report that today, Sept 24, 1998, the Belarus SIG
membership reached the 300 mark. We have a very diverse and knowledgable
membership. Subscribers include researchers >from Israel, the UK, Canada,
South Africa, Denmark, Netherlands, Germany, Belarus, France, Australia,
Sweeden, (th?), and the US. There may be subscribers >from other
countries, but I couldn't determine them >from the e-mail addresses.
Several of our members are former residents of Belarus. In addition, we
have university professors, JGS presidents, language experts, computer
experts, and lots of other people with different skills and levels of
expertise.

Status of Contributions to SIG projects as of Sept. 19, 1998:
Mogilev Vital Records $43
Minsk Uzed Economic Summary 185
Borisov Rev. List 1834 150
Minsk Yizkor Book 53
Minsk Rev. List 53
General Fund 50

If you would like to make contributions to Belarus projects please go to
the SIG JewishGen-erosoty Page
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html>;.

Again, I appreciate the enthusiasm and sharing that this group has shown
during its seven week existence. May the New Year bring health,
happiness, and success to each and every one of you.

L'shana Tova,

Dave





David M. Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD
Belarus SIG Co-Coordinator

JOIN THE BELARUS SIG
<http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/>;

Researching: Minsk: TSIVIN (SIVIN), RABINOWITZ, HURWITZ, FEIN
Mogilev & NYC: SCHENDEROFF (OV), TSIVIN, SHER, FYTELSON
Rogachev(BYL) & NYC: FYTELSON (FEITELSON), TELSON, COHEN
Popielniki, Dzurow, Banila (UKR): FUCHS, HUDES, MECHLAWICZ,

TISCHLER, LOBEL, LABALVITCH
Belarus SIG #Belarus Belarus SIG Membership Report -300 #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

Dear Belarus SIG Members:

First of all I want to thank all of you for being part of this ever
growing group. Many people have come forward to volunteer to
translate/transliterate, enter data in spreadsheets, go to libraries to
obtain data, donate research material, run the web site, head research
groups, and a host of other tasks. Some have contributed money to the
research projects. There have been a wonderful exchanges of information
over the discussion group. I hope that more and more of you will find
the time and resources that will help us all in our quest to expand our
knowledge.

I am happy to report that today, Sept 24, 1998, the Belarus SIG
membership reached the 300 mark. We have a very diverse and knowledgable
membership. Subscribers include researchers >from Israel, the UK, Canada,
South Africa, Denmark, Netherlands, Germany, Belarus, France, Australia,
Sweeden, (th?), and the US. There may be subscribers >from other
countries, but I couldn't determine them >from the e-mail addresses.
Several of our members are former residents of Belarus. In addition, we
have university professors, JGS presidents, language experts, computer
experts, and lots of other people with different skills and levels of
expertise.

Status of Contributions to SIG projects as of Sept. 19, 1998:
Mogilev Vital Records $43
Minsk Uzed Economic Summary 185
Borisov Rev. List 1834 150
Minsk Yizkor Book 53
Minsk Rev. List 53
General Fund 50

If you would like to make contributions to Belarus projects please go to
the SIG JewishGen-erosoty Page
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html>;.

Again, I appreciate the enthusiasm and sharing that this group has shown
during its seven week existence. May the New Year bring health,
happiness, and success to each and every one of you.

L'shana Tova,

Dave





David M. Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD
Belarus SIG Co-Coordinator

JOIN THE BELARUS SIG
<http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/>;

Researching: Minsk: TSIVIN (SIVIN), RABINOWITZ, HURWITZ, FEIN
Mogilev & NYC: SCHENDEROFF (OV), TSIVIN, SHER, FYTELSON
Rogachev(BYL) & NYC: FYTELSON (FEITELSON), TELSON, COHEN
Popielniki, Dzurow, Banila (UKR): FUCHS, HUDES, MECHLAWICZ,

TISCHLER, LOBEL, LABALVITCH
Synagogues in Oxford England #general

Alfred A. Goldberg <alfran@...>
 

Hi,
A few weeks ago I asked for info on Synagogues in Oxford England.
Unfortunately, after I had the info, my hard disk crashed and I lost all
of the addresses of the kind people who answered me. I want to thank
them all. If any of you would like to hear >from me personally, please
send me your e-mail address

Thanks again to the wonderful Jewishgenners.

Al Goldberg, Framingham, MA
Re: Records from Lithuania #general

DBH12345
 

For full information on obtaining genealogical records >from the various
Lithuanian archives, please consult the LitvakSIG FAQ's on our homepage at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/litvak>;.

You can search for records which have already been entered into the All
Lithuania Database by name and by town >from that same website.

None of the Lithuanian archives can search for records based on first names
only (to my knowledge,) but many such records are available in the All
Lithuania Database (including nearly 10,000 vital records for Marijampole.)

If your ancestors came >from a specific Lithuanian town it would be worthwhile
to contact fellow Litvak researchers through the LitvakSIG Digest, which you
can subscribe to via the JewishGen homepage under "Discussion Groups" at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/>;.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Synagogues in Oxford England #general

Alfred A. Goldberg <alfran@...>
 

Hi,
A few weeks ago I asked for info on Synagogues in Oxford England.
Unfortunately, after I had the info, my hard disk crashed and I lost all
of the addresses of the kind people who answered me. I want to thank
them all. If any of you would like to hear >from me personally, please
send me your e-mail address

Thanks again to the wonderful Jewishgenners.

Al Goldberg, Framingham, MA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Records from Lithuania #general

DBH12345
 

For full information on obtaining genealogical records >from the various
Lithuanian archives, please consult the LitvakSIG FAQ's on our homepage at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/litvak>;.

You can search for records which have already been entered into the All
Lithuania Database by name and by town >from that same website.

None of the Lithuanian archives can search for records based on first names
only (to my knowledge,) but many such records are available in the All
Lithuania Database (including nearly 10,000 vital records for Marijampole.)

If your ancestors came >from a specific Lithuanian town it would be worthwhile
to contact fellow Litvak researchers through the LitvakSIG Digest, which you
can subscribe to via the JewishGen homepage under "Discussion Groups" at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/>;.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG
Where is Saly HOFFNER of Miami??? #general

Judith27
 

Dear JewishGendom,
This Rosh HaShanah, a card I sent to an elderly distant cousin
in Miami came back, marked ominously "Unknown." The name of this
octogenarian cousin is Saly HOFFNER, and the address I have used up
until now for him was in Miami Beach, Florida. Is there any JewishGenner
in the Miami area who might know him, or of him, or who might have a
suggestion how I might find out where Saly
Hoffner might now be???
Todah Rabah in advance!
G'mar Hatima Tovah,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Where is Saly HOFFNER of Miami??? #general

Judith27
 

Dear JewishGendom,
This Rosh HaShanah, a card I sent to an elderly distant cousin
in Miami came back, marked ominously "Unknown." The name of this
octogenarian cousin is Saly HOFFNER, and the address I have used up
until now for him was in Miami Beach, Florida. Is there any JewishGenner
in the Miami area who might know him, or of him, or who might have a
suggestion how I might find out where Saly
Hoffner might now be???
Todah Rabah in advance!
G'mar Hatima Tovah,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY
Translation at Babelfish #general

MenloMary@...
 

I have received several e-mails >from people who could not access the
Translation service at:
http://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/babelfish.altavista.digital.com/.

So, I asked Tom Venetianer, a fellow Jewishgenner, if he could explain it. I thought his
answer would be useful for others.

Mary Russell
Menlo Park, CA


Dear Mary,

One initial observation: to diagnose a server error I would need the
*exact* error message the users in trouble got. But in the case below I
know what happened, so I can explain the problem.

The URL you mention is actually a *composed* URL address. It has *two
distinct* parts:

http://ad.double-click.net/adi/ and

http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/

The first address belongs to a service provider who is crosslinking to
AltaVista's search engine. What links him to AltaVista is the /adi/
subdirectory which very likely contains a hidden program. That program
makes the call (link) to the second address.

Now here is the trick: under some circumstances the user may be able to
make this routing but sometimes this is not possible.

FYI DoubleClick is an advertising routing engine. Thus you must have got
this URL >from some other site which use it to reroute a banner click to
AltaVista.

This is a *very special* case and the above explains why people are getting
error messages. Most of the time the problem is much simpler, still related
to mistyping and/or letter case. Another very common source of error is
that the connection to the Internet has dropped or has never been
established. The user believes that he/she is connected when in fact this
is not the case. As result he/she gets an error message of the kind you
mention.

Tom Venetianer
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translation at Babelfish #general

MenloMary@...
 

I have received several e-mails >from people who could not access the
Translation service at:
http://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/babelfish.altavista.digital.com/.

So, I asked Tom Venetianer, a fellow Jewishgenner, if he could explain it. I thought his
answer would be useful for others.

Mary Russell
Menlo Park, CA


Dear Mary,

One initial observation: to diagnose a server error I would need the
*exact* error message the users in trouble got. But in the case below I
know what happened, so I can explain the problem.

The URL you mention is actually a *composed* URL address. It has *two
distinct* parts:

http://ad.double-click.net/adi/ and

http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/

The first address belongs to a service provider who is crosslinking to
AltaVista's search engine. What links him to AltaVista is the /adi/
subdirectory which very likely contains a hidden program. That program
makes the call (link) to the second address.

Now here is the trick: under some circumstances the user may be able to
make this routing but sometimes this is not possible.

FYI DoubleClick is an advertising routing engine. Thus you must have got
this URL >from some other site which use it to reroute a banner click to
AltaVista.

This is a *very special* case and the above explains why people are getting
error messages. Most of the time the problem is much simpler, still related
to mistyping and/or letter case. Another very common source of error is
that the connection to the Internet has dropped or has never been
established. The user believes that he/she is connected when in fact this
is not the case. As result he/she gets an error message of the kind you
mention.

Tom Venetianer
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