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Re: oldest relatives: which ones to test? #dna

rayvenna@...
 

Personally, I would do an autosomal test on all 4 and a Y-DNA 67 on #1.
IMHO, mtDNA is interesting, but isn't of a lot of genealogical value.
I have personally had a great deal of success testing known relatives
from different branches and then comparing them to my FTDNA FamilyFinder
matches via DNA triangulation.

Mindie Kaplan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juliana Berland jbgiudice@gmail.com" <dna@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:53:16 AM

We have the following "oldest" relatives on my mom's side, all born in
the 1920s & 30s:

paternal
1 - grandfather's nephew

maternal
2 - grandmother's cousin, male (may only share GM & not GF, so maybe
only half cousin)
3 - grandmother's cousin, female (may also be only half cousin)

shared
4 - aunt

We know absolutely nothing about the maternal grandfather's side, but
most of my GEDCOM matches do seem to come >from him. And on the paternal
side we think we have a ton of relatives (people having the same name in
the same shtetls for instance), but as with the other matches, we can't
find any records to prove it.

Before these people are gone, my cousin wants to do some DNA testing (so
far I am the only one who has done any tests).

If we want to have more family tree information, who should we test, &
what test should we do?
FTDNA family finder + Y67 + mfFull for both men, or a bundle with Y-111
instead?
FTDNA family finder + mtFull for both ladies or just for #3 or just #4?
Or are those overkill for what we want?


DNA Research #DNA Re: oldest relatives: which ones to test? #dna

rayvenna@...
 

Personally, I would do an autosomal test on all 4 and a Y-DNA 67 on #1.
IMHO, mtDNA is interesting, but isn't of a lot of genealogical value.
I have personally had a great deal of success testing known relatives
from different branches and then comparing them to my FTDNA FamilyFinder
matches via DNA triangulation.

Mindie Kaplan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juliana Berland jbgiudice@gmail.com" <dna@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:53:16 AM

We have the following "oldest" relatives on my mom's side, all born in
the 1920s & 30s:

paternal
1 - grandfather's nephew

maternal
2 - grandmother's cousin, male (may only share GM & not GF, so maybe
only half cousin)
3 - grandmother's cousin, female (may also be only half cousin)

shared
4 - aunt

We know absolutely nothing about the maternal grandfather's side, but
most of my GEDCOM matches do seem to come >from him. And on the paternal
side we think we have a ton of relatives (people having the same name in
the same shtetls for instance), but as with the other matches, we can't
find any records to prove it.

Before these people are gone, my cousin wants to do some DNA testing (so
far I am the only one who has done any tests).

If we want to have more family tree information, who should we test, &
what test should we do?
FTDNA family finder + Y67 + mfFull for both men, or a bundle with Y-111
instead?
FTDNA family finder + mtFull for both ladies or just for #3 or just #4?
Or are those overkill for what we want?


Proper Source Citation for JewishGen Hungarian Records #general

Moishe Miller
 

Dear Group,

Does anyone have expertise in using proper source citation for records
from JewishGen?
Would this be the proper way to cite an index entry >from the Hungarian
Database:

"Hungary, Jewish Community Records of Tokaj, 1827-1895," database,
JewishGen (https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/: 11 December
2017), Moritz Weinstock, 23 Jun 1869, Birth; citing Anyako"nyvek,
1827-1895, Tokaj, Hungary, (National Archives, Budapest); FHL microfilm
642959, Item 3.

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@totalben.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Proper Source Citation for JewishGen Hungarian Records #general

Moishe Miller
 

Dear Group,

Does anyone have expertise in using proper source citation for records
from JewishGen?
Would this be the proper way to cite an index entry >from the Hungarian
Database:

"Hungary, Jewish Community Records of Tokaj, 1827-1895," database,
JewishGen (https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/: 11 December
2017), Moritz Weinstock, 23 Jun 1869, Birth; citing Anyako"nyvek,
1827-1895, Tokaj, Hungary, (National Archives, Budapest); FHL microfilm
642959, Item 3.

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@totalben.com


Looking for Grave of Yehuda Goor (Grazovsky) in Israel #general

Jerry Zevin
 

Looking for Grave of Yehuda Goor (Grazovsky): I'm trying to
locate the grave of Yehuda Grozovsky in Israel. I believe he is buried
at Trumpeldor Cemetery in Tel Aviv. Any help in confirming the cemetery
and identifying the Row and Plot for his gravesite would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,
Jerry Zevin, Irvine, CA


Radomysl Wielki #general

Nicole Yossefi <nicole.y.de.c@...>
 

Hello to all.
Does any one of you know about a book >from Tomasz Frydel about the jews
in Radomysl Wielki?
Or how to contact the author?
Many thanks,
Nicole Yossefi


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Grave of Yehuda Goor (Grazovsky) in Israel #general

Jerry Zevin
 

Looking for Grave of Yehuda Goor (Grazovsky): I'm trying to
locate the grave of Yehuda Grozovsky in Israel. I believe he is buried
at Trumpeldor Cemetery in Tel Aviv. Any help in confirming the cemetery
and identifying the Row and Plot for his gravesite would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,
Jerry Zevin, Irvine, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Radomysl Wielki #general

Nicole Yossefi <nicole.y.de.c@...>
 

Hello to all.
Does any one of you know about a book >from Tomasz Frydel about the jews
in Radomysl Wielki?
Or how to contact the author?
Many thanks,
Nicole Yossefi


Viewmate photo identification #general

Marilyn Glass
 

Hi:

I've posted a photo at the following Viewmate link for photo identification:
https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=62883

This photo is part of a collection >from a relative who resided in Detroit,
Michigan. My cousin had ties to Pavlinka, Russia (now Ukraine). Pavlinka
is located near Odessa and the Black Sea. Possible family surnames were:
Kleiner, Gochman, Slater, Platnik, Hoffman, Pinter (any spelling for all
surnames).

Thank you in advance for your help, and please respond to the form on the
Viewmate site.

Marilyn Platnick Glass
Toronto Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate photo identification #general

Marilyn Glass
 

Hi:

I've posted a photo at the following Viewmate link for photo identification:
https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=62883

This photo is part of a collection >from a relative who resided in Detroit,
Michigan. My cousin had ties to Pavlinka, Russia (now Ukraine). Pavlinka
is located near Odessa and the Black Sea. Possible family surnames were:
Kleiner, Gochman, Slater, Platnik, Hoffman, Pinter (any spelling for all
surnames).

Thank you in advance for your help, and please respond to the form on the
Viewmate site.

Marilyn Platnick Glass
Toronto Canada


FindMyPast Free Access to British and Irish Roots Collection #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Findmypast has created a "special" collection >from its existing records
called the British and Irish Collection. The intent is to make it easier to
search specifically for the immigrant ancestor rather than searching the
entire Findmypast database. The collection spans more than 400 years of
migration between the British Isles and North America, all in one place, and
holds 98 million records. Currently, access to the database is free-no end
date was given, but can change at any time.

When searching the data base, the results return with an icon of a "page".
This indicates it is a transcription of the actual record. When you open the
icon, there is an opportunity to view the original source document, however,
for most of the source documents, a paid subscription is necessary. An
example of a free source document would be the US Census.

I did a search of the surname "Cohen"-no first name or other information
and received a return of 38,377 results. The results were from: Ireland,
England and Scotland and ranged >from the US Census to Passenger Lists
Leaving the UK (1890-1960), US Passenger Lists, US Marriages, Canadian
Border crossings and more. The country of origin was predominately listed
as England, and Ireland, but there were some >from Canada, Scotland and
Wales. In this example I did not find birth, and death records,
naturalization applications and draft registrations, but they are also
included in the collection's records. In full disclosure I did not view all
38,000 return results. If a record, such as a US military record, says the
soldier was born in Wales or Ireland or the UK, or in a US census record
someone in the family was born in England, Ireland, Scotland or Wales then
that record should be in the collection. Anyone leaving the UK or Ireland
emigrating to Canada, the US or the Caribbean, or any British or Irish
immigrant who stopped temporarily in Canada en route to the US or Caribbean
and anyone listed on any US or Canadian record with British or Irish
origins, birthplace or parents should be in the collection.

To search the collection go to: https://tinyurl.com/yc9m2g55
Original url:
https://search.findmypast.ie/search-world-Records/british-and-irish-roots-collection

Registration with your name, email and password is required.

I have no affiliation with Findmypast and am posting this solely for the
information of the reader.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FindMyPast Free Access to British and Irish Roots Collection #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Findmypast has created a "special" collection >from its existing records
called the British and Irish Collection. The intent is to make it easier to
search specifically for the immigrant ancestor rather than searching the
entire Findmypast database. The collection spans more than 400 years of
migration between the British Isles and North America, all in one place, and
holds 98 million records. Currently, access to the database is free-no end
date was given, but can change at any time.

When searching the data base, the results return with an icon of a "page".
This indicates it is a transcription of the actual record. When you open the
icon, there is an opportunity to view the original source document, however,
for most of the source documents, a paid subscription is necessary. An
example of a free source document would be the US Census.

I did a search of the surname "Cohen"-no first name or other information
and received a return of 38,377 results. The results were from: Ireland,
England and Scotland and ranged >from the US Census to Passenger Lists
Leaving the UK (1890-1960), US Passenger Lists, US Marriages, Canadian
Border crossings and more. The country of origin was predominately listed
as England, and Ireland, but there were some >from Canada, Scotland and
Wales. In this example I did not find birth, and death records,
naturalization applications and draft registrations, but they are also
included in the collection's records. In full disclosure I did not view all
38,000 return results. If a record, such as a US military record, says the
soldier was born in Wales or Ireland or the UK, or in a US census record
someone in the family was born in England, Ireland, Scotland or Wales then
that record should be in the collection. Anyone leaving the UK or Ireland
emigrating to Canada, the US or the Caribbean, or any British or Irish
immigrant who stopped temporarily in Canada en route to the US or Caribbean
and anyone listed on any US or Canadian record with British or Irish
origins, birthplace or parents should be in the collection.

To search the collection go to: https://tinyurl.com/yc9m2g55
Original url:
https://search.findmypast.ie/search-world-Records/british-and-irish-roots-collection

Registration with your name, email and password is required.

I have no affiliation with Findmypast and am posting this solely for the
information of the reader.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Photo Face Recognition #general

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Researchers,

I would like to know if there is a mechanism for the genealogical use of
facial recognition software. Here is what I have in mind. Let's say I
have a group photo in which my grandfather appears, but there are other
people in the picture who I do not know. I upload my mystery photo to
the site, along with any knowledge I have about who is in the photo.
Others do the same with their photos. Large photo digital archives could
also be integrated. The program then finds facial matches between
uploaded and archival photos and notifies the persons involved of the
matches. This way, it could be possible to identify people in photos.

Does this exist? If no, does anyone want to talk about making something
like this exist? Perhaps as a module on JewishGen?

Best Wishes,
Adam Cherson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Photo Face Recognition #general

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Researchers,

I would like to know if there is a mechanism for the genealogical use of
facial recognition software. Here is what I have in mind. Let's say I
have a group photo in which my grandfather appears, but there are other
people in the picture who I do not know. I upload my mystery photo to
the site, along with any knowledge I have about who is in the photo.
Others do the same with their photos. Large photo digital archives could
also be integrated. The program then finds facial matches between
uploaded and archival photos and notifies the persons involved of the
matches. This way, it could be possible to identify people in photos.

Does this exist? If no, does anyone want to talk about making something
like this exist? Perhaps as a module on JewishGen?

Best Wishes,
Adam Cherson


Re: Testing #dna

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

Errol Schneegurt asked if he should take the DNA testing for himself if he
already did both of his parents. For genealogy only, to do it will be a
waste of money. However, he should have his father joined his Y-DNA
haplogroup project and then maybe have his father DNA tested for some
SNPs. The reason for this is to match males, you are looking for the most
recent common mutation that them both have and it may be a SNP mutation
and not a STR marker mutation.

Sidney Sachs
Lorton, VA


DNA Research #DNA Re:Testing #dna

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

Errol Schneegurt asked if he should take the DNA testing for himself if he
already did both of his parents. For genealogy only, to do it will be a
waste of money. However, he should have his father joined his Y-DNA
haplogroup project and then maybe have his father DNA tested for some
SNPs. The reason for this is to match males, you are looking for the most
recent common mutation that them both have and it may be a SNP mutation
and not a STR marker mutation.

Sidney Sachs
Lorton, VA


Re: Testing #dna

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Errol,

I believe you are referring to an autosomal (large proportion of the
entire genome) test of both parents and one that includes the Y
Chromosome for your father. If so, then for genealogical research you
don't need another test for yourself since everything that is in you is
in them. The only thing which is new about you is the particular mixture
of their genes plus any recombination or mutation alterations that may
have occurred uniquely in you.

If your testing has not provided the ancestral haoplogroup result for
both your mother and father I would try to see if that can be added.
Haplogroup information has some limited but pretty interesting uses. If
you have your parents' haplogroups you have yours (without the need to
test yourself).

Using prior generations, provided these can be tested, is in fact a
better way of researching your own genealogical history since your
parents dna includes more information about their respective ancestries
than does yours.

Good Luck,
Adam Cherson

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From: eslviv@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:45:50 -0500

I did DNA testing for most of my family but never did my own. Since I
did my father and mother to the highest level including the "Y"
chromosome. Is it necessary that I do the same.
I am a male.
Errol Schneegurt


Re: Testing #dna

Jackye Sullins
 

You haven't mentioned the autosomal testing. That's a completely different
test and will tell give you a general breakdown of your DNA make up as well
as match you with others with the same results - up to about 4th cousins
with some degree of accuracy.

Jackye Sullins


DNA Research #DNA RE: Testing #dna

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Errol,

I believe you are referring to an autosomal (large proportion of the
entire genome) test of both parents and one that includes the Y
Chromosome for your father. If so, then for genealogical research you
don't need another test for yourself since everything that is in you is
in them. The only thing which is new about you is the particular mixture
of their genes plus any recombination or mutation alterations that may
have occurred uniquely in you.

If your testing has not provided the ancestral haoplogroup result for
both your mother and father I would try to see if that can be added.
Haplogroup information has some limited but pretty interesting uses. If
you have your parents' haplogroups you have yours (without the need to
test yourself).

Using prior generations, provided these can be tested, is in fact a
better way of researching your own genealogical history since your
parents dna includes more information about their respective ancestries
than does yours.

Good Luck,
Adam Cherson

---
From: eslviv@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:45:50 -0500

I did DNA testing for most of my family but never did my own. Since I
did my father and mother to the highest level including the "Y"
chromosome. Is it necessary that I do the same.
I am a male.
Errol Schneegurt


DNA Research #DNA RE: Testing #dna

Jackye Sullins
 

You haven't mentioned the autosomal testing. That's a completely different
test and will tell give you a general breakdown of your DNA make up as well
as match you with others with the same results - up to about 4th cousins
with some degree of accuracy.

Jackye Sullins

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