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Re: French translation of "fils majeur & fille majeure" #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

(Sherri Fischer Venditti bernerfolk@...) wrote:
It means the bride and groom were both adults, having reached the age of majority.
In 1880 and 1920 the age of consent in France was 13 so likely the same in 1909.
Age of consent should not be confused with age of majority.

See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

Cecilia Nyleve

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: French translation of "fils majeur & fille majeure" #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

(Sherri Fischer Venditti bernerfolk@...) wrote:
It means the bride and groom were both adults, having reached the age of majority.
In 1880 and 1920 the age of consent in France was 13 so likely the same in 1909.
Age of consent should not be confused with age of majority.

See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

Cecilia Nyleve

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Multiple Name Changes #dna

David Goldman
 

Hello everybody.
Although my paternal ancestral name in Ukraine was KRASINSKY I have been
unable to find any other Jews other than descendants of my great-grandfather
and his brothers who have or had the name Krasinsky back in Ukraine or even
a name very close to Krasinsky (other than names such as Korsunsky). There
are names I have come across even more unusual than Krasinsky, so this
situation is probably not an anomaly. Anyway, this has led me to wonder
whether in fact the name had previously been something other than Krasinsky,
although I realize that many Ashkenazi Jews didn't have last names before
the 19th century (many of course did, such as my maternal ancestral name of
Shapiro).

Now that I have done the FTDNA test and plugged into the WIRTH project, I
have been informed that my paternal line goes back to one Rabbi Yaakov son
of Yehuda WEIL in the 15th century. Now of course there are people even
today who still carry the name Weil. But I am wondering whether the name
KRASINSKY had in fact been adopted at some point in the 18th or 19th century
by possibly a single man called Weil.

Of course I assume there are many reasons why people were changing names
along the line long before reaching Ellis Island, even among those who *did*
have last names prior to the 19th century. Of course I am simply
hypothesizing, and have no evidence for any of this in relation to the names
Weil and Krasinsky.
I'd enjoy reading anything others may have to add to this enigma and whether
in fact I may be on to something.

Thanks,
David Goldman
NYC
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DNA Research #DNA Multiple Name Changes #dna

David Goldman
 

Hello everybody.
Although my paternal ancestral name in Ukraine was KRASINSKY I have been
unable to find any other Jews other than descendants of my great-grandfather
and his brothers who have or had the name Krasinsky back in Ukraine or even
a name very close to Krasinsky (other than names such as Korsunsky). There
are names I have come across even more unusual than Krasinsky, so this
situation is probably not an anomaly. Anyway, this has led me to wonder
whether in fact the name had previously been something other than Krasinsky,
although I realize that many Ashkenazi Jews didn't have last names before
the 19th century (many of course did, such as my maternal ancestral name of
Shapiro).

Now that I have done the FTDNA test and plugged into the WIRTH project, I
have been informed that my paternal line goes back to one Rabbi Yaakov son
of Yehuda WEIL in the 15th century. Now of course there are people even
today who still carry the name Weil. But I am wondering whether the name
KRASINSKY had in fact been adopted at some point in the 18th or 19th century
by possibly a single man called Weil.

Of course I assume there are many reasons why people were changing names
along the line long before reaching Ellis Island, even among those who *did*
have last names prior to the 19th century. Of course I am simply
hypothesizing, and have no evidence for any of this in relation to the names
Weil and Krasinsky.
I'd enjoy reading anything others may have to add to this enigma and whether
in fact I may be on to something.

Thanks,
David Goldman
NYC
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic JewishGen's Success! Stories -- The New Edition June 2018 #rabbinic

Phyllis Kramer
 

We invite you to read the inspiring success stories recently published
to our website. You can access these accounts >from the "About Us"
button on the website or by following this link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/testimonials/

** Gary Koeppel only knew that the young girl in the photos had been
transported >from Prague to England around 1939, her name was
Alexandra, she was the daughter of his paternal grandfather's sister,
and she had been placed in the home of a British family. He then began
his long search.

** Michael Diamant was searching for any living relatives on his
father's maternal side of the family. The search had gone cold when he
received an email >from a man in Poland who had read his family
description in the JewishGen Discussion Group and recognized the name
Norbert Aleksandrowicz.

** Sherry Levy-Reiner tries to unravel the mystery of her
great-grandfather's death on a voyage to Palestine in the 1920s. The
only fact was that there were no facts: no dates, no documents, no
clues. We repost this moving story >from our Archives.

JewishGen volunteers (Editor - Nancy Siegel and Webmaster - Colin
Mathias Justin) collect and post these stories. We encourage you to
submit your own success stories to us at success@... .

Phyllis Kramer, NYC & PBG, Florida
VP, Education & Special Projects, JewishGen, Inc.
Photo needed from King Solomon Memorial Park in Clifton, NJ #general

David S STERN
 

Dear fellow Jewishgenners,

I need a phot of the stone for Anita Pike (d. 1964) in King Solomon Memorial Park
in Clifton, NJ. If anyone is going there and would take a picture for me, I would
be very grateful. She was my great aunt, and I am trying to confirm the name of her
father, my great grandfather, part of breaking through a brick wall.

Many thanks in advance.

David S. Stern
Researching Stern >from Mogilev-Podolski and Garbolski/Garber and Yellen >from Grodno
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Photo needed from King Solomon Memorial Park in Clifton, NJ #general

David S STERN
 

Dear fellow Jewishgenners,

I need a phot of the stone for Anita Pike (d. 1964) in King Solomon Memorial Park
in Clifton, NJ. If anyone is going there and would take a picture for me, I would
be very grateful. She was my great aunt, and I am trying to confirm the name of her
father, my great grandfather, part of breaking through a brick wall.

Many thanks in advance.

David S. Stern
Researching Stern >from Mogilev-Podolski and Garbolski/Garber and Yellen >from Grodno
Camp Achva USA 1937 #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

My mother, Adina KATZOFF, passed away last week. In an old picture album which she
made there were several pix of staff members who attended with her in Camp Achva in
1937. None of the pix. have any names on the back except for a pix. of a Moshe
Natanson (spelled in Hebrew).

If anyone is interested in these pix. please contact me.

Yoni Ben-Ari (Katzoff), Jerusalem
Hebrew Kindergarten Philadelphia, Pa. 1935 #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Further to my previous post, ( after the demise of my mother Adina KATZOFF this week)
among the pix. in an old album was a pix. of kindergarten children who were in a
kindergarted which my mother (Adina KATZOFF) founded, and ran in about 1935. The
Rabbi of the congregation and Principal of the Hebrew school was a Rabbi GOODBLATT.
If anyone is interested in a copy of the above pix. please contact me.

Yoni Ben-Ari (Katzoff), Jerusalem
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Camp Achva USA 1937 #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

My mother, Adina KATZOFF, passed away last week. In an old picture album which she
made there were several pix of staff members who attended with her in Camp Achva in
1937. None of the pix. have any names on the back except for a pix. of a Moshe
Natanson (spelled in Hebrew).

If anyone is interested in these pix. please contact me.

Yoni Ben-Ari (Katzoff), Jerusalem
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew Kindergarten Philadelphia, Pa. 1935 #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Further to my previous post, ( after the demise of my mother Adina KATZOFF this week)
among the pix. in an old album was a pix. of kindergarten children who were in a
kindergarted which my mother (Adina KATZOFF) founded, and ran in about 1935. The
Rabbi of the congregation and Principal of the Hebrew school was a Rabbi GOODBLATT.
If anyone is interested in a copy of the above pix. please contact me.

Yoni Ben-Ari (Katzoff), Jerusalem
Re: French translation of "fils majeur & fille majeure" #general

Roberta Solit
 

Dear JewishGenner's,

Thank you for the overwhelming response to my question.

The terms Fils majeur and Fille majeure refer to the future married couple being of
legal age, 21 at that time (1909).

As a long time member of the JewishGen family, I have always known that we are a
remarkable group. Today I was so impressed by the number and quality of the
responses to my post, all including translation, some referring me to other sites
for more information and even offers to translate other parts of similar documents.

I highly recommend that you post your questions on JewishGen's Discussion Group.
You will be surprised at the amount of information that JewishGenner's have and
love sharing.

In appreciation, I will be sending a donation to JewishGen.

Thank you,
Roberta Solit
Potomac, MD

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: French translation of "fils majeur & fille majeure" #general

Roberta Solit
 

Dear JewishGenner's,

Thank you for the overwhelming response to my question.

The terms Fils majeur and Fille majeure refer to the future married couple being of
legal age, 21 at that time (1909).

As a long time member of the JewishGen family, I have always known that we are a
remarkable group. Today I was so impressed by the number and quality of the
responses to my post, all including translation, some referring me to other sites
for more information and even offers to translate other parts of similar documents.

I highly recommend that you post your questions on JewishGen's Discussion Group.
You will be surprised at the amount of information that JewishGenner's have and
love sharing.

In appreciation, I will be sending a donation to JewishGen.

Thank you,
Roberta Solit
Potomac, MD

MODERATOR: Thank you in advance, Roberta, for your donation. Donations are what
keep JewishGen going, since there are no subscription fees!
Re: Photo posted in Grodno, Belarus Yizkor book #belarus

Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

Photo posted in Grodno, Belarus Yizkor book

I wanted to thank all the very generous contributors to this genealogy list for
taking the time to reply to my posting >from several days ago. I have replied
separately to everyone.

Kind regards

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia

Merv & Naomi Barnett <barnett@...> wrote:

I have found a photo in the Grodno, Belarus Yizkor book of the Keren-Hayessod
Committee taken in 1924. Among all the names is one of interest to me - that of
my possible grandfather YAAKOV WOLSTEIN of whom I have never seen a photo.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Photo posted in Grodno, Belarus Yizkor book #general

Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

Photo posted in Grodno, Belarus Yizkor book

I wanted to thank all the very generous contributors to this genealogy list for
taking the time to reply to my posting >from several days ago. I have replied
separately to everyone.

Kind regards

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia

Merv & Naomi Barnett <barnett@...> wrote:

I have found a photo in the Grodno, Belarus Yizkor book of the Keren-Hayessod
Committee taken in 1924. Among all the names is one of interest to me - that of
my possible grandfather YAAKOV WOLSTEIN of whom I have never seen a photo.
Tabula registers in Lviv archives #general

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay
 

For years I have been up against a complete brick wall in finding
information about my grandmother's family in the town of Belz, which,
as far as I know, has no surviving Jewish BMD records. However,
recently I read an article in the Gesher Galicia website, written by
Alexander Dunai in 2006, discussing the tabula registers held in the
Lviv archives. Belz appears in the list of towns with such registers,
and in fact there is a notation that there are 15 volumes for Belz
(which seems a lot for a small town!).

I am hoping someone knowledgeable will be able to advise me how to go
about searching for information in those registers. What years are
covered in those 15 volumes for Belz? Are they indexed (in the Lviv
archives if not online)? Would the archivists in Lviv respond to a
search request (for a fee of course), or would I need to hire a
private researcher? To whom should I write with any request? I'd be
very grateful for any advice on what to do >from here.

Thanking you in advance,
Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel.

P.S. In Belz I am researching the names FRENKIEL, VERLIEBTER and
MEIZELES, or any variations on those names.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tabula registers in Lviv archives #general

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay
 

For years I have been up against a complete brick wall in finding
information about my grandmother's family in the town of Belz, which,
as far as I know, has no surviving Jewish BMD records. However,
recently I read an article in the Gesher Galicia website, written by
Alexander Dunai in 2006, discussing the tabula registers held in the
Lviv archives. Belz appears in the list of towns with such registers,
and in fact there is a notation that there are 15 volumes for Belz
(which seems a lot for a small town!).

I am hoping someone knowledgeable will be able to advise me how to go
about searching for information in those registers. What years are
covered in those 15 volumes for Belz? Are they indexed (in the Lviv
archives if not online)? Would the archivists in Lviv respond to a
search request (for a fee of course), or would I need to hire a
private researcher? To whom should I write with any request? I'd be
very grateful for any advice on what to do >from here.

Thanking you in advance,
Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel.

P.S. In Belz I am researching the names FRENKIEL, VERLIEBTER and
MEIZELES, or any variations on those names.
Re: French translation of "fils majeur & fille majeure" #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

rsolit@... rsolit@...) wrote:

In a Paris, French marriage record >from the year 1909, the groom is
described as "fils majeur". The bride is also referred to as a "fille
majeure". I understand that this translates as a "major son" and a
"major daughter".
Litterally:
"elder son" and "elder daugter" of two sibling sons or daughters.

But in this case describing all the offspring of someone:
"eldest son" and "eldest daughter".

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet
(Please change the x'es to dots)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: French translation of "fils majeur & fille majeure" #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

rsolit@... rsolit@...) wrote:

In a Paris, French marriage record >from the year 1909, the groom is
described as "fils majeur". The bride is also referred to as a "fille
majeure". I understand that this translates as a "major son" and a
"major daughter".
Litterally:
"elder son" and "elder daugter" of two sibling sons or daughters.

But in this case describing all the offspring of someone:
"eldest son" and "eldest daughter".

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet
(Please change the x'es to dots)
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