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Re: Vilna Marriage Record 1887 #general

David Goldman
 

Turns out that another source indicates that my great-grandparents were
actually married in the city of Kharkov on August 12, 1886! I think this
source is more reliable. So I'll forget about Vilna and concentrate on
Kharkov.

David Goldman
NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Vilna Marriage Record 1887 #general

David Goldman
 

Turns out that another source indicates that my great-grandparents were
actually married in the city of Kharkov on August 12, 1886! I think this
source is more reliable. So I'll forget about Vilna and concentrate on
Kharkov.

David Goldman
NYC


Samuel OPPENHEIMER -- thank you #germany

David Dubin <davidmdubin@...>
 

Hi all,
Thank you to all those who helped put together an answer to my
question. Ralph Baer amazingly remembered a source >from work he did 30
years ago, demonstrating that Sandela was not the mother of most of
Samuel's children.
The date that appears for the first wife's death (11 March 1673) in
many trees is wrong -- that is the date of a lawsuit brought against
Sandela as Samuel's wife (See Die Familie Berolzheimer in the leo
Baeck Institute, chapter 9 page 85), so the first wife died BEFORE
that date.
The best we can say is that Samuel's wife died before that date, her
name is unknown, and Sandela is not a grandmother of most of us who
thought she was.
Mr Baer is indeed grandson of hers, but with her first husband Moses
Abraham ASTRUC.

Happy New Year. David Dubin, Teaneck, NJ davidmdubin@gmail.com


German SIG #Germany Samuel OPPENHEIMER -- thank you #germany

David Dubin <davidmdubin@...>
 

Hi all,
Thank you to all those who helped put together an answer to my
question. Ralph Baer amazingly remembered a source >from work he did 30
years ago, demonstrating that Sandela was not the mother of most of
Samuel's children.
The date that appears for the first wife's death (11 March 1673) in
many trees is wrong -- that is the date of a lawsuit brought against
Sandela as Samuel's wife (See Die Familie Berolzheimer in the leo
Baeck Institute, chapter 9 page 85), so the first wife died BEFORE
that date.
The best we can say is that Samuel's wife died before that date, her
name is unknown, and Sandela is not a grandmother of most of us who
thought she was.
Mr Baer is indeed grandson of hers, but with her first husband Moses
Abraham ASTRUC.

Happy New Year. David Dubin, Teaneck, NJ davidmdubin@gmail.com


Re: Samuel OPPENHEIMER-HEIDELBERG (died Vienna 1703) #germany

Christine Crawford-Oppenheimer
 

Davidm Dubin davidmdubin@gmail.com asked about Samuel OPPENHEIMER

As far as I know, Berolzheimer had not footnotes, per se. He seems to
have copied a lot of his information >from public records.

My husband is a descendant of Samuel OPPENHEIMER's sister, Sarlan
OPPENHEIM (married Rabbi Isak BRILIN). This OPPENHEIM(er) (that family
used both forms of the name) line is in addition to Jim's Y-DNA
OPPENHEIMER line. I have the line of Sarlan (Oppenheimer) Brilin back
to Amschel Oppenheim, who lived in the early to middle 1500s, and my
husband's Oppenheimer line back to Jechiel Oppenheimer (died 1680 in
Worms). There is a certain amount of intermarriage between the lines,
and I have a theory that if I could find the ancestors of Jechiel, the
two lines would eventually have a common ancestor, but Jechiel seems
to be a dead end (some people claim some ancestors for Jechiel, but a
researcher in Worms tells me we have hit a dead end with him).

I would be happy to share the information I've collected on Sarlan and
Samuel OPPENHEIM(er)'s ancestors with you if you want it.

Christine Crawford-Oppenheimer, Hyde Park, NY christine3cats@gmail.com


German SIG #Germany Re: Samuel OPPENHEIMER-HEIDELBERG (died Vienna 1703) #germany

Christine Crawford-Oppenheimer
 

Davidm Dubin davidmdubin@gmail.com asked about Samuel OPPENHEIMER

As far as I know, Berolzheimer had not footnotes, per se. He seems to
have copied a lot of his information >from public records.

My husband is a descendant of Samuel OPPENHEIMER's sister, Sarlan
OPPENHEIM (married Rabbi Isak BRILIN). This OPPENHEIM(er) (that family
used both forms of the name) line is in addition to Jim's Y-DNA
OPPENHEIMER line. I have the line of Sarlan (Oppenheimer) Brilin back
to Amschel Oppenheim, who lived in the early to middle 1500s, and my
husband's Oppenheimer line back to Jechiel Oppenheimer (died 1680 in
Worms). There is a certain amount of intermarriage between the lines,
and I have a theory that if I could find the ancestors of Jechiel, the
two lines would eventually have a common ancestor, but Jechiel seems
to be a dead end (some people claim some ancestors for Jechiel, but a
researcher in Worms tells me we have hit a dead end with him).

I would be happy to share the information I've collected on Sarlan and
Samuel OPPENHEIM(er)'s ancestors with you if you want it.

Christine Crawford-Oppenheimer, Hyde Park, NY christine3cats@gmail.com


Re: new oroklet website #hungary

Steve Stein
 

The URL appears to have a typo. Should be www.oroklet.hu.

Steve Stein

the oroklet website, <http://www.ororklet.hu/>, has been given a
facelift.


Re: New oroklet website #hungary

mhollosi@...
 

Yes, the new web interface is quite bad. But the good data is still =
there and you can get to the old interface for now at the oroklet =
website,=20
at www.oroklet.hu/bent.php. The English version works the second time =
you select it.=20

The site owners should be encourage to keep the old interface around and =
provide a link to it while they are improving the new one.=20

Regards, Mike Hollosi

Tom Klein wrote:

the oroklet website, <http://www.oroklet.hu/>, has been given a =
facelift. =20

the new version seems to be all in hungarian (watch out for names with =
diacriticals),
and its white-on-black theme threw me for a bit of a loop. (i'm not =
used to typing
my input in white on white, or viewing results in black on black; this =
may be an is
sue with my browser/version.) i didn't see any wildcard or soundex =
options, and it=20
also says that the search function only returns the first 15 hits.=20


....... tom klein, toronto


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: new oroklet website #hungary

Steve Stein
 

The URL appears to have a typo. Should be www.oroklet.hu.

Steve Stein

the oroklet website, <http://www.ororklet.hu/>, has been given a
facelift.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: New oroklet website #hungary

mhollosi@...
 

Yes, the new web interface is quite bad. But the good data is still =
there and you can get to the old interface for now at the oroklet =
website,=20
at www.oroklet.hu/bent.php. The English version works the second time =
you select it.=20

The site owners should be encourage to keep the old interface around and =
provide a link to it while they are improving the new one.=20

Regards, Mike Hollosi

Tom Klein wrote:

the oroklet website, <http://www.oroklet.hu/>, has been given a =
facelift. =20

the new version seems to be all in hungarian (watch out for names with =
diacriticals),
and its white-on-black theme threw me for a bit of a loop. (i'm not =
used to typing
my input in white on white, or viewing results in black on black; this =
may be an is
sue with my browser/version.) i didn't see any wildcard or soundex =
options, and it=20
also says that the search function only returns the first 15 hits.=20


....... tom klein, toronto


Re: new oroklet website #hungary

HungarianRoots
 

The oroklet website was updated some months ago but it is still underway,
obviously.
There are lot of computer bugs and strange things about (like typing white
on white and so on) it but after trying various different ways, one can fin=
d
out how to use it, even it is not user-friendly at the moment. The previous=

version, in its last year of existence, also lets you see only the first pag=
e
of graves found.


Regards,

Karesz Vandor
genealogist/Historian/Private tour guide
=A0
Hungarian Roots
web: www.hungarianroots.com
e-mail: info@hungarianroots.com
cell: +36-30-546-6950
=A0
You can see our Data Processing Information by clicking here
http://www.hungarianroots.com/en/impress/ If you do not wish your data to b=
e
processed by us please send us a message to be removed. By not sending a
message you agree to the above agreement.

This is our World and we only have One. Please consider not printing this
e-mail thus saving trees and lives. If you need to print use the
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Re: new oroklet website #hungary

Peter Absolon
 

Old Oroklet website still works at:
http://www.oroklet.hu/bent.php

(and I agree, dark gray font on black background is not the best combination)

On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 07:33, Thomas Klein tomk@ecologicaltech.com
<h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

the oroklet website, <http://www.ororklet.hu/>, has been given a facelift.

the new version seems to be all in hungarian (watch out for names with diacriticals),
and its white-on-black theme threw me for a bit of a loop. (i'm not used to typing
my input in white on white, or viewing results in black on black; this may be an is
sue with my browser/version.) i didn't see any wildcard or soundex options, and it
also says that the search function only returns the first 15 hits.


....... tom klein, toronto


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: new oroklet website #hungary

HungarianRoots
 

The oroklet website was updated some months ago but it is still underway,
obviously.
There are lot of computer bugs and strange things about (like typing white
on white and so on) it but after trying various different ways, one can fin=
d
out how to use it, even it is not user-friendly at the moment. The previous=

version, in its last year of existence, also lets you see only the first pag=
e
of graves found.


Regards,

Karesz Vandor
genealogist/Historian/Private tour guide
=A0
Hungarian Roots
web: www.hungarianroots.com
e-mail: info@hungarianroots.com
cell: +36-30-546-6950
=A0
You can see our Data Processing Information by clicking here
http://www.hungarianroots.com/en/impress/ If you do not wish your data to b=
e
processed by us please send us a message to be removed. By not sending a
message you agree to the above agreement.

This is our World and we only have One. Please consider not printing this
e-mail thus saving trees and lives. If you need to print use the
double-sided option.



---
Az e-mailen az AVG v=EDrusellen=F5rz=E9st v=E9gzett.
http://www.avg.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: new oroklet website #hungary

Peter Absolon
 

Old Oroklet website still works at:
http://www.oroklet.hu/bent.php

(and I agree, dark gray font on black background is not the best combination)

On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 07:33, Thomas Klein tomk@ecologicaltech.com
<h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

the oroklet website, <http://www.ororklet.hu/>, has been given a facelift.

the new version seems to be all in hungarian (watch out for names with diacriticals),
and its white-on-black theme threw me for a bit of a loop. (i'm not used to typing
my input in white on white, or viewing results in black on black; this may be an is
sue with my browser/version.) i didn't see any wildcard or soundex options, and it
also says that the search function only returns the first 15 hits.


....... tom klein, toronto


Re: Post conference #4 message - Moldova Archives #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hi everybody,

I did not get any responses >from you yet to work on the Archival projects, but I decided to give you
some samples of what Moldova Archive has, and maybe, just maybe that will convince you to get
involved in these projects. This is my continuation of conference presentation research, and I found
a lot of archival inventories at the Miriam Wiener collection.

- Fond/inventory/file - 3/2/223 The collection of taxes >from the Jewish residence of Brichany, 1837
- Fond/inventory/file - 3/2/554 Revision List for Jews in Novoselitsa, Khotin district (1828-1873)
- Fond/inventory/file - 3/2/914 The case of the granting of a benefit to the Kishinev petty bourgeois
(Middle Class) Rubanovich M. for raising a foundling, 1842
- Fond/inventory/file - 6/3/188 The case about accepting Leyb Levenberg into petty bourgeois
(Middle Class) of Izmail, 1852
- Fond/inventory/file - 6/5/553 The case about election of KOFMAN as a Rabbi in Vad. Rashkov,
Soroki uezd, 1904-1909
-Fond/inventory/file - 152/8/1 List of students in Beltsy Jewish Talmud-Tora, 1894
-Fond/inventory/file - 395/1/71 Information about Jews of Beltsy called up for military service, 1910-11
-Fond/inventory/file - 1862/42/264-986 Personal files of students, Soroki boys Gymnasium
"Ksenopol", 1918-1940 - Includes surnames, names and father's names of about 200 students/
-Fond/inventory/file - 112/1/1482 Property of evacuated Jews, Kaushany, Bendery uezd, 1941

These just a few samples, and the list goes on and on.

This project may help many of us in our personal research.

The first thing we need to do is to organize all the material and be ready either to get digitized
information >from Family Search, that is preferable andI hope that will come soon or if not, work
with Moldovan Archives in getting some of this files. The whole inventory is mostly in Russian,
and need careful translation - that is a project before we get access to the records.

Shana Tovah v'metukah. Have Healthy sweet New Year!

Yefim Kogan
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia RE: Post conference #4 message - Moldova Archives #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hi everybody,

I did not get any responses >from you yet to work on the Archival projects, but I decided to give you
some samples of what Moldova Archive has, and maybe, just maybe that will convince you to get
involved in these projects. This is my continuation of conference presentation research, and I found
a lot of archival inventories at the Miriam Wiener collection.

- Fond/inventory/file - 3/2/223 The collection of taxes >from the Jewish residence of Brichany, 1837
- Fond/inventory/file - 3/2/554 Revision List for Jews in Novoselitsa, Khotin district (1828-1873)
- Fond/inventory/file - 3/2/914 The case of the granting of a benefit to the Kishinev petty bourgeois
(Middle Class) Rubanovich M. for raising a foundling, 1842
- Fond/inventory/file - 6/3/188 The case about accepting Leyb Levenberg into petty bourgeois
(Middle Class) of Izmail, 1852
- Fond/inventory/file - 6/5/553 The case about election of KOFMAN as a Rabbi in Vad. Rashkov,
Soroki uezd, 1904-1909
-Fond/inventory/file - 152/8/1 List of students in Beltsy Jewish Talmud-Tora, 1894
-Fond/inventory/file - 395/1/71 Information about Jews of Beltsy called up for military service, 1910-11
-Fond/inventory/file - 1862/42/264-986 Personal files of students, Soroki boys Gymnasium
"Ksenopol", 1918-1940 - Includes surnames, names and father's names of about 200 students/
-Fond/inventory/file - 112/1/1482 Property of evacuated Jews, Kaushany, Bendery uezd, 1941

These just a few samples, and the list goes on and on.

This project may help many of us in our personal research.

The first thing we need to do is to organize all the material and be ready either to get digitized
information >from Family Search, that is preferable andI hope that will come soon or if not, work
with Moldovan Archives in getting some of this files. The whole inventory is mostly in Russian,
and need careful translation - that is a project before we get access to the records.

Shana Tovah v'metukah. Have Healthy sweet New Year!

Yefim Kogan
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator


Re: DNA and Rabbinical Descent #rabbinic

Phillip Minden
 

What sort of DNA do you mean? Other than the strictly patrlinear and
the strictly matrilinear lines, the current state of the art doesn't
allow to prove direct descent >from individual people who lived 500 or
600 years ago, I thought.

Phillip Minden
(also a descendent of the Mahre"v/R' Jacob Weil)

^^^
From: "David Goldman" <lugman@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:31:59 -0400

Greetings, everyone. It turns out that my DNA results indicate that I
am not a direct descendant >from Rabbi Yaakov ben Yehuda Weil but >from
another line via one of his grandfather's or great-grandfather's
brothers instead.
Now it is said that he was a descendant of both Nachmanides and Rabbi
Meir of Rothenburg. Since it is unknown if I would share that descent
via marriage of his grandfather, great-grandfather etc. as opposed to
descent >from a brother of theirs, the only way would be to compare DNA
results with those who claim descent >from Nachmanides and/or Maharam
Rothenburg in the same manner the Weil connection is done in the WIRTH
group.
Does anyone know whether such DNA testing has been ever done for descent

from Nachmanides and/or Maharam Rothenburg?


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: DNA and Rabbinical Descent #rabbinic

Phillip Minden
 

What sort of DNA do you mean? Other than the strictly patrlinear and
the strictly matrilinear lines, the current state of the art doesn't
allow to prove direct descent >from individual people who lived 500 or
600 years ago, I thought.

Phillip Minden
(also a descendent of the Mahre"v/R' Jacob Weil)

^^^
From: "David Goldman" <lugman@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:31:59 -0400

Greetings, everyone. It turns out that my DNA results indicate that I
am not a direct descendant >from Rabbi Yaakov ben Yehuda Weil but >from
another line via one of his grandfather's or great-grandfather's
brothers instead.
Now it is said that he was a descendant of both Nachmanides and Rabbi
Meir of Rothenburg. Since it is unknown if I would share that descent
via marriage of his grandfather, great-grandfather etc. as opposed to
descent >from a brother of theirs, the only way would be to compare DNA
results with those who claim descent >from Nachmanides and/or Maharam
Rothenburg in the same manner the Weil connection is done in the WIRTH
group.
Does anyone know whether such DNA testing has been ever done for descent

from Nachmanides and/or Maharam Rothenburg?


questions about various dna ethnicity companies #dna

ava rosenblum
 

Hello:

Ancestry just updated their dna profiles. Ten years ago, they
advertised as going back as much as 1,000 years. However, now they
are stating that they go back only a few hundred years. The update
told me what I know >from my own document research.
(I went >from being 97 percent European Jewish, with 1 percent Italy/
Greece, 1 percent central Asia, and 1 percent Eastern Europe to 100
percent Euro Jewish.)

Based on a quick online search, I don't believe any of these
companies offer information that goes back more than a few hundred
years.

So, I thought I'd send in a note here in case there is a company that
someone knows of that can assist beyond document analysis of family
records.

Thank you.

Ava Rosenblum
Minneapolis, USA


Re: 23andMe #dna

David Shapiro
 

On 17/09/2018 09:04, David Goldman wrote:
Has anyone discovered anything significant as a result of the health
test with that company?
Yes. 1) Although my father had Parkinson's disease, I do not have the
gene often associated with that disease.
2) I am a carrier of Tay-Sachs.

David Shapiro
Jerusalem

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