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Request for Translation Assistance - link correction #poland

Rick Zeckel <rz7923@...>
 

On Monday of this week I submitted a request for assistance in
translating some documents I received that be related to my
great-grandfather Szymon Moszek Kaufman. Unfortunately, the link I
provided did not take anyone to the right place, and for that I
apologize. Chalk it up to ignorance. In any event, below is a link
that should take you t0 the ViewMate Image Gallery site where they can
be found. For those who have not been to that page before, you will
find a multitude of images. The four specific images I am interested
in are labeled VM69507, VM 69510, VM 69511, and VM 69506. As before,
any assistance you can provide would be appreciated.

Below are the correct and direct links:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM69507
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM69510
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM69511
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM69506

--
Rick Zeckel
rz7923@gmail.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately or on the Viewmate form.


JRI Poland #Poland Request for Translation Assistance - link correction #poland

Rick Zeckel <rz7923@...>
 

On Monday of this week I submitted a request for assistance in
translating some documents I received that be related to my
great-grandfather Szymon Moszek Kaufman. Unfortunately, the link I
provided did not take anyone to the right place, and for that I
apologize. Chalk it up to ignorance. In any event, below is a link
that should take you t0 the ViewMate Image Gallery site where they can
be found. For those who have not been to that page before, you will
find a multitude of images. The four specific images I am interested
in are labeled VM69507, VM 69510, VM 69511, and VM 69506. As before,
any assistance you can provide would be appreciated.

Below are the correct and direct links:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM69507
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM69510
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM69511
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM69506

--
Rick Zeckel
rz7923@gmail.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately or on the Viewmate form.


the given name BER #poland

mkaplan27
 

I have an Ellis Island manifest showing Ber SARAPIN arriving in 1913 from
Gorodok, Russia. He apparently went to my grandfather, Charles SARAPIN.

I can find no other record for this person.

What name might "BER" have been transformed to?

-Michael


SEARCHING: KAPLAN and FISH (Brest and Divin, Belarus), MANCZYK (Gombin,
Poland), KRIEGER (Ramygala, Lithuania), SARAPIN (Bialystok, Poland)


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland the given name BER #poland

mkaplan27
 

I have an Ellis Island manifest showing Ber SARAPIN arriving in 1913 from
Gorodok, Russia. He apparently went to my grandfather, Charles SARAPIN.

I can find no other record for this person.

What name might "BER" have been transformed to?

-Michael


SEARCHING: KAPLAN and FISH (Brest and Divin, Belarus), MANCZYK (Gombin,
Poland), KRIEGER (Ramygala, Lithuania), SARAPIN (Bialystok, Poland)


Re: DNA and Rabbinical Descent #rabbinic

rayvenna@...
 

Chaim,

Would you mind sharing more details about your methodology of
demonstrating relationships via DNA? How many documented descendants
have been tested? How closely are the documented tested people related
to each other? Are you using multiple people >from each family? I would
love to hear more about your fascinating work!

Thanks,
Mindie Kaplan

----- Original Message -----

In response to Phillip Minden, yes it is possible to prove descent from
people who lived hundreds of years ago, as explained in my article at
http://eliyahusbranches.blogspot.com/2018/08/genetic-master-list-for-relatives-of.html
That is using a full autosomal test, not just Y chromosome, and in
combination with the "Paper Trail".

Chaim Freedman


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: DNA and Rabbinical Descent #rabbinic

rayvenna@...
 

Chaim,

Would you mind sharing more details about your methodology of
demonstrating relationships via DNA? How many documented descendants
have been tested? How closely are the documented tested people related
to each other? Are you using multiple people >from each family? I would
love to hear more about your fascinating work!

Thanks,
Mindie Kaplan

----- Original Message -----

In response to Phillip Minden, yes it is possible to prove descent from
people who lived hundreds of years ago, as explained in my article at
http://eliyahusbranches.blogspot.com/2018/08/genetic-master-list-for-relatives-of.html
That is using a full autosomal test, not just Y chromosome, and in
combination with the "Paper Trail".

Chaim Freedman


Descent of Historic Epstein and Horowitz Families #rabbinic

Paul Berman
 

I know that there isn't full agreement as to the common descent of the
historic Epstein and Horowitz Families (both Leviiim), but is there
any strong evidence as to whether both, or either, are in fact
descended >from Aharon and Pinchas Benvenisti of Barcelona - 13th
century?
G'mar chatima tova - May you all be inscribed for a good New Year.
Irene Berman
Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Descent of Historic Epstein and Horowitz Families #rabbinic

Paul Berman
 

I know that there isn't full agreement as to the common descent of the
historic Epstein and Horowitz Families (both Leviiim), but is there
any strong evidence as to whether both, or either, are in fact
descended >from Aharon and Pinchas Benvenisti of Barcelona - 13th
century?
G'mar chatima tova - May you all be inscribed for a good New Year.
Irene Berman
Israel


Re: Samuel OPPENHEIMER-HEIDELBERG (died Vienna 1703) #germany

Ralph Baer
 

David Dubin wrote in part:
Ralph Baer amazingly remembered a source >from work he did 30 years ago,
demonstrating that Sandela was not the mother of most of Samuel's children.

I have looked at that document much more recently than that and inserted a
translation of parts of it (not the part about Samuel OPPENHEIMER) into my
own genealogy. It just was that long since I paid attention to the dates
since Samuel was not an ancestor. I am, however, descended >from the
OPPENHEIMERs of Heidelberg, so he is a relative.

He also wrote:
Mr Baer is indeed grandson of hers, but with her first husband Moses Abraham
ASTRUC.

I am getting old faster than I thought. :-) She was actually a
7th-great-grandmother.

Ralph N. Baer Washington DC RalphNBaer@aol.com


German SIG #Germany Re: Samuel OPPENHEIMER-HEIDELBERG (died Vienna 1703) #germany

Ralph Baer
 

David Dubin wrote in part:
Ralph Baer amazingly remembered a source >from work he did 30 years ago,
demonstrating that Sandela was not the mother of most of Samuel's children.

I have looked at that document much more recently than that and inserted a
translation of parts of it (not the part about Samuel OPPENHEIMER) into my
own genealogy. It just was that long since I paid attention to the dates
since Samuel was not an ancestor. I am, however, descended >from the
OPPENHEIMERs of Heidelberg, so he is a relative.

He also wrote:
Mr Baer is indeed grandson of hers, but with her first husband Moses Abraham
ASTRUC.

I am getting old faster than I thought. :-) She was actually a
7th-great-grandmother.

Ralph N. Baer Washington DC RalphNBaer@aol.com


Re: [Document destruction by] Hamburg State Archives #germany

Corinna Woehrl (nee Goslar)
 

Dear GerSIG-friends,

Following up the information >from the beginning of the month I would
like to give you an update on the incomprehensible shredding of the
Medical Certificates of Death at the Hamburg State Archives (StAHH). As
I stated in my comment in the GerSIG-List on September, 3rd most of the
mentioned reasons for weeding the files can be refuted. The head of the
Hamburg State Archives, Dr. Schaefer, admits that >from nowadays point of
view he wouldn't have weeded the documents. The pressure on him
is growing.

The local press and TV have eventually begun to cover the unfortunate
decision: It took the local historians and genealogists about two months
to gain public interest on this matter.

It would be of great help for us local genealogists, if we had
international support in terms of notes of protest sent to the State
Archives or - even better - responsible Hamburg State Secretary,
Dr. Carsten Brosda.

The official statement >from the StAHH can be found via the following
link (English version): http://tinyurl.com/ycfu7rzu or
https://www.hamburg.de/contentblob/11526092/419b169f1436bf2e6ce81b44877bb9a9/data/todesbescheinigungen-en.pdf

Recent coverage in the local press (in German):

Hamburger Morgenpost, September 18th: http://tinyurl.com/ychomtfk or
https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/schredder-skandal-im-staatsarchiv-vernichtete-ns-akten--experten-fordern-aufklaerung-31308940

[Google search results for Hamburger Abendblatt, September 17th.
(perhaps with a paywall)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=3Dde&q=Abendblatt+Hamburger+Staatsarchiv

Hamburger Morgenpost, September 15th. http://tinyurl.com/y9gh3mqe or

https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/eine-million-dokumente--staatsarchiv-leiter-liess-hamburgs-geschichte-schreddern-31268994

TAZ (they ask if you want to pay, just click gerade
nicht/continue reading) September 4th. http://www.taz.de/!5529873/

NDR Hamburg Journal September 1. regional TV-magazine >from minute 7:50
http://tinyurl.com/yapa2x3p or
https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/hamburg_journal/Hamburg-Journal,hamj71556.html

If you need further-information (e.g. e-mail-addresses or contact
persons) please write privately to goslar@cwoehrl.de

Kind regards, Corinna (Woehrl) goslar@cwoehrl.de


German SIG #Germany Re: [Document destruction by] Hamburg State Archives #germany

Corinna Woehrl (nee Goslar)
 

Dear GerSIG-friends,

Following up the information >from the beginning of the month I would
like to give you an update on the incomprehensible shredding of the
Medical Certificates of Death at the Hamburg State Archives (StAHH). As
I stated in my comment in the GerSIG-List on September, 3rd most of the
mentioned reasons for weeding the files can be refuted. The head of the
Hamburg State Archives, Dr. Schaefer, admits that >from nowadays point of
view he wouldn't have weeded the documents. The pressure on him
is growing.

The local press and TV have eventually begun to cover the unfortunate
decision: It took the local historians and genealogists about two months
to gain public interest on this matter.

It would be of great help for us local genealogists, if we had
international support in terms of notes of protest sent to the State
Archives or - even better - responsible Hamburg State Secretary,
Dr. Carsten Brosda.

The official statement >from the StAHH can be found via the following
link (English version): http://tinyurl.com/ycfu7rzu or
https://www.hamburg.de/contentblob/11526092/419b169f1436bf2e6ce81b44877bb9a9/data/todesbescheinigungen-en.pdf

Recent coverage in the local press (in German):

Hamburger Morgenpost, September 18th: http://tinyurl.com/ychomtfk or
https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/schredder-skandal-im-staatsarchiv-vernichtete-ns-akten--experten-fordern-aufklaerung-31308940

[Google search results for Hamburger Abendblatt, September 17th.
(perhaps with a paywall)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=3Dde&q=Abendblatt+Hamburger+Staatsarchiv

Hamburger Morgenpost, September 15th. http://tinyurl.com/y9gh3mqe or

https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/eine-million-dokumente--staatsarchiv-leiter-liess-hamburgs-geschichte-schreddern-31268994

TAZ (they ask if you want to pay, just click gerade
nicht/continue reading) September 4th. http://www.taz.de/!5529873/

NDR Hamburg Journal September 1. regional TV-magazine >from minute 7:50
http://tinyurl.com/yapa2x3p or
https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/hamburg_journal/Hamburg-Journal,hamj71556.html

If you need further-information (e.g. e-mail-addresses or contact
persons) please write privately to goslar@cwoehrl.de

Kind regards, Corinna (Woehrl) goslar@cwoehrl.de


Re: questions about various dna ethnicity companies #dna

Raina Accardi <raina.accardi@...>
 

Your DNA ethnicity estimate will change based on improved data >from
growing sample populations as Ancestry/FTdna/23andMe etc update their
ethnicity calculators. Your ethnicity breakdown does not tell you when
your ancestors lived, only that you have similar DNA to other people
whose ancestors lived in certain areas. In terms of finding DNA matches,
the autosomal DNA tests are most useful within 6 generations. So if a
generation is about 30 years that would be about 180 years. However it
is still possible to make connections back 10 generations if you get
lucky and have a well documented tree (and your match also has a well
documented tree!)

As far as going back beyond a few hundred years and paper records, you
can take the mitochondria DNA test (MtDNA) or the YDNA test to get DNA
matches that reach back before paper records. You might be able to pick
out patterns of migration based on your matches individual family
histories. The haplogroups you will be assigned with those tests have
histories that show when (1000s of years ago) and where the original
mutation in that type of DNA occurred. The autosomal test only tests to
within a few hundred years as you said. I believe Family Tree DNA and
23andMe can do the mt-DNA and Y-DNA tests.

Raina Accardi
Saugerties, NY, USA

From: ava rosenblum <gsand@visi.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:09:44 -0500

Ancestry just updated their dna profiles. Ten years ago, they
advertised as going back as much as 1,000 years. However, now they
are stating that they go back only a few hundred years. The update
told me what I know >from my own document research.
(I went >from being 97 percent European Jewish, with 1 percent Italy/
Greece, 1 percent central Asia, and 1 percent Eastern Europe to 100
percent Euro Jewish.)

Based on a quick online search, I don't believe any of these
companies offer information that goes back more than a few hundred
years.

So, I thought I'd send in a note here in case there is a company that
someone knows of that can assist beyond document analysis of family
records.


DNA Research #DNA Re: questions about various dna ethnicity companies #dna

Raina Accardi <raina.accardi@...>
 

Your DNA ethnicity estimate will change based on improved data >from
growing sample populations as Ancestry/FTdna/23andMe etc update their
ethnicity calculators. Your ethnicity breakdown does not tell you when
your ancestors lived, only that you have similar DNA to other people
whose ancestors lived in certain areas. In terms of finding DNA matches,
the autosomal DNA tests are most useful within 6 generations. So if a
generation is about 30 years that would be about 180 years. However it
is still possible to make connections back 10 generations if you get
lucky and have a well documented tree (and your match also has a well
documented tree!)

As far as going back beyond a few hundred years and paper records, you
can take the mitochondria DNA test (MtDNA) or the YDNA test to get DNA
matches that reach back before paper records. You might be able to pick
out patterns of migration based on your matches individual family
histories. The haplogroups you will be assigned with those tests have
histories that show when (1000s of years ago) and where the original
mutation in that type of DNA occurred. The autosomal test only tests to
within a few hundred years as you said. I believe Family Tree DNA and
23andMe can do the mt-DNA and Y-DNA tests.

Raina Accardi
Saugerties, NY, USA

From: ava rosenblum <gsand@visi.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:09:44 -0500

Ancestry just updated their dna profiles. Ten years ago, they
advertised as going back as much as 1,000 years. However, now they
are stating that they go back only a few hundred years. The update
told me what I know >from my own document research.
(I went >from being 97 percent European Jewish, with 1 percent Italy/
Greece, 1 percent central Asia, and 1 percent Eastern Europe to 100
percent Euro Jewish.)

Based on a quick online search, I don't believe any of these
companies offer information that goes back more than a few hundred
years.

So, I thought I'd send in a note here in case there is a company that
someone knows of that can assist beyond document analysis of family
records.


Re: DNA and Rabbinical Descent #rabbinic

Chaim freedman
 

In response to Phillip Minden, yes it is possible to prove descent from
people who lived hundreds of years ago, as explained in my article at
http://eliyahusbranches.blogspot.com/2018/08/genetic-master-list-for-relatives-of.html
That is using a full autosomal test, not just Y chromosome, and in
combination with the "Paper Trail".

Chaim Freedman

^^^
Phillip Minden <lippomano@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 09:04:06 +0200
What sort of DNA do you mean? Other than the strictly patrlinear and the
strictly matrilinear lines, the current state of the art doesn't allow to
prove direct descent >from individual people who lived 500 or
600 years ago, I thought.

Phillip Minden


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: DNA and Rabbinical Descent #rabbinic

Chaim freedman
 

In response to Phillip Minden, yes it is possible to prove descent from
people who lived hundreds of years ago, as explained in my article at
http://eliyahusbranches.blogspot.com/2018/08/genetic-master-list-for-relatives-of.html
That is using a full autosomal test, not just Y chromosome, and in
combination with the "Paper Trail".

Chaim Freedman

^^^
Phillip Minden <lippomano@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 09:04:06 +0200
What sort of DNA do you mean? Other than the strictly patrlinear and the
strictly matrilinear lines, the current state of the art doesn't allow to
prove direct descent >from individual people who lived 500 or
600 years ago, I thought.

Phillip Minden


TEOMIM-FRAENKEL, OPPENHEIM Prague #austria-czech

Irene Newhouse
 

In a letter to Dr. Felix Bondi in 1933, Dr. Michael Berolzheimer mentions: "... so scheint doch
nach des Tod ihres Vaters Genendel ins Haus ihres Grossvaters gekommen zu sein, das R.
David OPPENHEIM in Prag. Denn in der Consignation 1729 wird bei "Genendel des Jonas
THOMIM Tochter" beigefuegt, "Unterhalt vom Grossvater." In English:... so it appears that
after the death of her father, Genendel came to the house of her grandfather, R. David
Oppenheim. Because in the Consignation 1729, next to "Genendel, Jonas THOMIM's
daughter [sic in the letter] is added "supported by the grandfather". A carbon copy of this
letter is in the Michael Berolzheimer Collection at the Leo Baeck Institute in New York City.
It's been digitized, which is how I came to see it.

I have two questions: what is a 'Consignation', and can someone please advise me as to
how I might get a copy of this section?

Thanks so much!

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI USA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech TEOMIM-FRAENKEL, OPPENHEIM Prague #austria-czech

Irene Newhouse
 

In a letter to Dr. Felix Bondi in 1933, Dr. Michael Berolzheimer mentions: "... so scheint doch
nach des Tod ihres Vaters Genendel ins Haus ihres Grossvaters gekommen zu sein, das R.
David OPPENHEIM in Prag. Denn in der Consignation 1729 wird bei "Genendel des Jonas
THOMIM Tochter" beigefuegt, "Unterhalt vom Grossvater." In English:... so it appears that
after the death of her father, Genendel came to the house of her grandfather, R. David
Oppenheim. Because in the Consignation 1729, next to "Genendel, Jonas THOMIM's
daughter [sic in the letter] is added "supported by the grandfather". A carbon copy of this
letter is in the Michael Berolzheimer Collection at the Leo Baeck Institute in New York City.
It's been digitized, which is how I came to see it.

I have two questions: what is a 'Consignation', and can someone please advise me as to
how I might get a copy of this section?

Thanks so much!

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI USA


Searching for Michael Anthony PICARD #general

Ruth & Bruce Lynn <lynn33@...>
 

Hello,

I'm searching for a "lost" cousin, Michael Anthony PICARD, who was born
in England in 1947. His parents were Claus Wolfgang PICARD and (Hilde)
Inge(borg) GROSSMAN, both born in Berlin. They lived in Welwyn Gardens
and Bramley, Leeds, UK in the 1950's. Claus's parents (Michael Anthony's
grandparents), Dr. Ernst Jacob PICARD and (Minna) Edith Eva RUSS, lived
in London in the 1950's. Inge's parents, Dr. Fritz GROSSMAN and Gertrud
Paula FRANK, lived in New York City. Claus's brother, Heinz Hellmuth
PICARD, lived in Tel Aviv. Inge's brothers Herbert Otto GROSSMAN and
Helmut/Henry GROSSMAN, lived in Newark, NJ and Englewood, NJ.

Michael's grandparents, Dr. Ernst Jacob PICARD and (Minna) Edith Eva RUSS,
escaped >from Berlin to Palestine in 1935, and later moved to England.
Edith was my father's cousin. What she never knew was that her sister,
Charlotte Henriette RUSS HEILFRON, managed to escape >from Berlin to
Ireland, where she and her family lived out their lives in Dublin. Their
only living brother, (Wolfgang) Guenter RUSS, committed suicide during or
after his 1943 deportation >from Berlin. Each sister thought that she was
the only surviving family member.

I have recently re-connected with Charlotte's granddaughter in Ireland.
She had no idea that she had close cousins in the UK and the US. But I
have been unable to trace Michael Anthony PICARD, other than two passenger
records for 1947 and 1951 voyages >from England, with his mother, to visit
her parents in New York.

If this story, or any of these names sound familiar to you, please reply
privately.

Thanks very much.

Ruth Nadelman Lynn
Lexington, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Michael Anthony PICARD #general

Ruth & Bruce Lynn <lynn33@...>
 

Hello,

I'm searching for a "lost" cousin, Michael Anthony PICARD, who was born
in England in 1947. His parents were Claus Wolfgang PICARD and (Hilde)
Inge(borg) GROSSMAN, both born in Berlin. They lived in Welwyn Gardens
and Bramley, Leeds, UK in the 1950's. Claus's parents (Michael Anthony's
grandparents), Dr. Ernst Jacob PICARD and (Minna) Edith Eva RUSS, lived
in London in the 1950's. Inge's parents, Dr. Fritz GROSSMAN and Gertrud
Paula FRANK, lived in New York City. Claus's brother, Heinz Hellmuth
PICARD, lived in Tel Aviv. Inge's brothers Herbert Otto GROSSMAN and
Helmut/Henry GROSSMAN, lived in Newark, NJ and Englewood, NJ.

Michael's grandparents, Dr. Ernst Jacob PICARD and (Minna) Edith Eva RUSS,
escaped >from Berlin to Palestine in 1935, and later moved to England.
Edith was my father's cousin. What she never knew was that her sister,
Charlotte Henriette RUSS HEILFRON, managed to escape >from Berlin to
Ireland, where she and her family lived out their lives in Dublin. Their
only living brother, (Wolfgang) Guenter RUSS, committed suicide during or
after his 1943 deportation >from Berlin. Each sister thought that she was
the only surviving family member.

I have recently re-connected with Charlotte's granddaughter in Ireland.
She had no idea that she had close cousins in the UK and the US. But I
have been unable to trace Michael Anthony PICARD, other than two passenger
records for 1947 and 1951 voyages >from England, with his mother, to visit
her parents in New York.

If this story, or any of these names sound familiar to you, please reply
privately.

Thanks very much.

Ruth Nadelman Lynn
Lexington, MA

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