Folks, we normally do not post long lists of names, but we need
the help of you all. In our recent mailing announcing the
availability of certain privacy procedures to all listed in the
JGFF we sent nearly 40,000 individual e-mails. Just less than
600 bounced...not a bad percentage, but if your name is on this
list, you cannot be contacted by a researcher who may be tracing
the same surname.
For you, that's a 100% failure as well as for the person trying
to reach you.

We ask your indulgence here. Please, scan these names
carefully. If your name is on List #1 below, go directly to the
JGFF, select the "Modify" icon and correct your e-mail address.
Read it over carefully, is it complete? Have you spelled the
domain correctly? One wrong or misplaced letter and it goes to
the dreaded Mailer Daemon.

To access "Modify" you need your JGFF researcher code and
password. If you have forgotten either, or both, all is not
lost! <grin> Select the "Search" icon in the JGFF and search on
any surname you entered into the database. Next to your name,
or right under it you will see a number in parenthesis...that's
your researcher code. We suggest you write it down in your
address book, or tape it to your computer. If you remember your
password, you are now able to enter the "Modify" section, select
the first option to modify your e-mail address. If you still
have a numeric password, you can change it to a word you will
remember.

If you do not remember your password, here's how to get it:
send an e-mail to password@... include your full
name, your postal address and your researcher code. Your
password will be returned to you. We suggest you tape this
onto your computer as well!

While in the JGFF "Modify" mode, read the privacy options
available and make your selection. Be sure to scroll down to
the bottom of the page and click on Update Researcher Details

Thanks everybody for your patience and please read through List
#1 below. If your name appears, we trust you will correct the
bad e-mail address and as soon as you do, please send a message
to jgffhelp@... and tell them you have corrected the
problem.

-- Name --
Abas, Zeev
Abel, Carolos F.
Abugov, Benjamin
Ach, Andrew M.
Adrezin, B.J.
Allina-Turnauer, Dan
Anklewicz, Michael
Apt, Jimmy
Aultman, John & Kim
Bar-Joseph, Avi
Bauer, Annette Debra
Bernay, Adam Jonathan
Bertram, Bruce
Boderman, Greg & Jodie
Boldan, Adrain
Bradwejn, Jacques
Brezicki, Ruth S.
Brookenthal, Albert
Brookenthal, Albert
Burg, Judit
Castanheira, Aguinaldo
Castanheira, Aguinaldo
Choritz, Lazer
Davies, Bernard
Drucker, Beverly
Feld, Anita
Ferimer, Robert Alan
Flashberg, Andrew
Fragodt, Alisa D. R.
Freedman, Murray Philip
Ganz-Haber, Lena
Gideon, Chilton
Glick, Corey Glenn
Goldberg, Beth Ann
Graboyes, Arnold
Gross, Barbara
Gusso, Vicki
Habib, Christina
Halpern, Linda
Hansell, Jennifer Ann
Harville, Bobbi Jo
Hermer, Barton Jeanot
Hirsch, Abraham
Hoffman, Gerrie
Hyman, Sally Elizabeth
Jacobs, Rachel Nina
Johnson-Semmel, Lauren
Kahn, Amy Abramovitz
Kawan
Kohlenberg, Uri
Kravetz, Cheryl DuPree
Lazarovits, Danny
Lee, Clare
Levy, Susan Doore
Margolis, Brenda
Massion, Andrea
Merletti, Joyce
Meyer, Cheryl
Miller, Beth
Moser, Charles Edwin
Nachshon, Aaron
Neeman, Aviva
Parker, Burton S.
Passman, Andrew J.
Pinsley, Alison
Reader, Barbara
Redlu, Jacob Hal
Reinhold, Janet
Roitman, Eduardo
Rosner, Beth Noelle
Samure, Brian
Sellers, Teresa
Shahar, Gnainsky
Shaw, Cory
Sherbow, B.
Shvartsman, Alex
Snitman, Aryeh
Snyder, Bob
Sterling, Sonia
Stern, Steve
Stewart, Linda B.
Strauss, Bob
Tessler, Arlean
Thompson, Alana
Torok, Ielca
Trainoff, Barry
Trilla, Antoni
Tunzi, Susann
Vilardofsky, Earl
Vilardofsky, Irwin A.
Volivitch, Angela
Volk, Arthur E.
Walker, Anne R. J.
Wertman, Chesky
Wolf, Helen Rosenstein
Wolf, Phyllis
Wunsch, Annette
Wyatt, Helene S.
Ziman, Andrei

If you see the name of a friend, we would appreciate if you would
let them know their name is listed as having a bad e-mail
address for the JGFF.

Carol Skydell
JewishGen Operations

Personal messages to -->skydell@...
JewishGen business to -->cskydell@...
Thank you!

Folks, we normally do not post long lists of names, but we need
the help of you all. In our recent mailing announcing the
availability of certain privacy procedures to all listed in the
JGFF we sent nearly 40,000 individual e-mails. Just less than
600 bounced...not a bad percentage, but if your name is on this
list, you cannot be contacted by a researcher who may be tracing
the same surname.
For you, that's a 100% failure as well as for the person trying
to reach you.

We ask your indulgence here. Please, scan these names
carefully. If your name is on List #1 below, go directly to the
JGFF, select the "Modify" icon and correct your e-mail address.
Read it over carefully, is it complete? Have you spelled the
domain correctly? One wrong or misplaced letter and it goes to
the dreaded Mailer Daemon.

To access "Modify" you need your JGFF researcher code and
password. If you have forgotten either, or both, all is not
lost! <grin> Select the "Search" icon in the JGFF and search on
any surname you entered into the database. Next to your name,
or right under it you will see a number in parenthesis...that's
your researcher code. We suggest you write it down in your
address book, or tape it to your computer. If you remember your
password, you are now able to enter the "Modify" section, select
the first option to modify your e-mail address. If you still
have a numeric password, you can change it to a word you will
remember.

If you do not remember your password, here's how to get it:
send an e-mail to password@... include your full
name, your postal address and your researcher code. Your
password will be returned to you. We suggest you tape this
onto your computer as well!

While in the JGFF "Modify" mode, read the privacy options
available and make your selection. Be sure to scroll down to
the bottom of the page and click on Update Researcher Details

Thanks everybody for your patience and please read through List
#1 below. If your name appears, we trust you will correct the
bad e-mail address and as soon as you do, please send a message
to jgffhelp@... and tell them you have corrected the
problem.

-- Name --
Abas, Zeev
Abel, Carolos F.
Abugov, Benjamin
Ach, Andrew M.
Adrezin, B.J.
Allina-Turnauer, Dan
Anklewicz, Michael
Apt, Jimmy
Aultman, John & Kim
Bar-Joseph, Avi
Bauer, Annette Debra
Bernay, Adam Jonathan
Bertram, Bruce
Boderman, Greg & Jodie
Boldan, Adrain
Bradwejn, Jacques
Brezicki, Ruth S.
Brookenthal, Albert
Brookenthal, Albert
Burg, Judit
Castanheira, Aguinaldo
Castanheira, Aguinaldo
Choritz, Lazer
Davies, Bernard
Drucker, Beverly
Feld, Anita
Ferimer, Robert Alan
Flashberg, Andrew
Fragodt, Alisa D. R.
Freedman, Murray Philip
Ganz-Haber, Lena
Gideon, Chilton
Glick, Corey Glenn
Goldberg, Beth Ann
Graboyes, Arnold
Gross, Barbara
Gusso, Vicki
Habib, Christina
Halpern, Linda
Hansell, Jennifer Ann
Harville, Bobbi Jo
Hermer, Barton Jeanot
Hirsch, Abraham
Hoffman, Gerrie
Hyman, Sally Elizabeth
Jacobs, Rachel Nina
Johnson-Semmel, Lauren
Kahn, Amy Abramovitz
Kawan
Kohlenberg, Uri
Kravetz, Cheryl DuPree
Lazarovits, Danny
Lee, Clare
Levy, Susan Doore
Margolis, Brenda
Massion, Andrea
Merletti, Joyce
Meyer, Cheryl
Miller, Beth
Moser, Charles Edwin
Nachshon, Aaron
Neeman, Aviva
Parker, Burton S.
Passman, Andrew J.
Pinsley, Alison
Reader, Barbara
Redlu, Jacob Hal
Reinhold, Janet
Roitman, Eduardo
Rosner, Beth Noelle
Samure, Brian
Sellers, Teresa
Shahar, Gnainsky
Shaw, Cory
Sherbow, B.
Shvartsman, Alex
Snitman, Aryeh
Snyder, Bob
Sterling, Sonia
Stern, Steve
Stewart, Linda B.
Strauss, Bob
Tessler, Arlean
Thompson, Alana
Torok, Ielca
Trainoff, Barry
Trilla, Antoni
Tunzi, Susann
Vilardofsky, Earl
Vilardofsky, Irwin A.
Volivitch, Angela
Volk, Arthur E.
Walker, Anne R. J.
Wertman, Chesky
Wolf, Helen Rosenstein
Wolf, Phyllis
Wunsch, Annette
Wyatt, Helene S.
Ziman, Andrei

If you see the name of a friend, we would appreciate if you would
let them know their name is listed as having a bad e-mail
address for the JGFF.

Carol Skydell
JewishGen Operations

Personal messages to -->skydell@...
JewishGen business to -->cskydell@...
Thank you!

My paternal gf was Leonid RUBINOV (later changed to Leonard George
ROBINSON), born in 1875 in Minsk. On his New York State death
certificate his father's name is given as Bernard Baruch ALPROVITZ, by
my estimate probably born about 1850, give or take. The information on
the death certificate was provided by medical records and his doctor at
the hospital on Long Island where he died.

My extremely limited understanding of Russian names tells me that
ALPROVITZ could be an alternate spelling of ALPEROVI(T)CH. My question
is this: Was, in fact, ALPROVITZ intended to be a patronymic? If so,
why is it given as his last name and not his middle name as a patronymic
would be expected? If it were his surname and not a patronymic, why is
it different >from my gf's surname? Am I correct in my assumption that
the [-nov] suffix on RUBINOV constitutes a patronymic?

If anyone knows of a source of information on Russian patronymics,
either in print or online, or any answers to the above questions, I
would be most appreciative.

Geoff Robinson
Chester, VT

My paternal gf was Leonid RUBINOV (later changed to Leonard George
ROBINSON), born in 1875 in Minsk. On his New York State death
certificate his father's name is given as Bernard Baruch ALPROVITZ, by
my estimate probably born about 1850, give or take. The information on
the death certificate was provided by medical records and his doctor at
the hospital on Long Island where he died.

My extremely limited understanding of Russian names tells me that
ALPROVITZ could be an alternate spelling of ALPEROVI(T)CH. My question
is this: Was, in fact, ALPROVITZ intended to be a patronymic? If so,
why is it given as his last name and not his middle name as a patronymic
would be expected? If it were his surname and not a patronymic, why is
it different >from my gf's surname? Am I correct in my assumption that
the [-nov] suffix on RUBINOV constitutes a patronymic?

If anyone knows of a source of information on Russian patronymics,
either in print or online, or any answers to the above questions, I
would be most appreciative.

Geoff Robinson
Chester, VT

The Forward, which recently celebrated its 101st birthday is alive and
well and issues 3 weekly newspapers, Yiddish, English and Russian. They
are not translations of each other, but separate publications. The Forward
does or at least did have a microfiche setup for all back editions --
I translated something for a client a few years back and it was >from the
1920's. But you have to be there.

Sylvia Schildt
Baltimore Maryland

The Forward, which recently celebrated its 101st birthday is alive and
well and issues 3 weekly newspapers, Yiddish, English and Russian. They
are not translations of each other, but separate publications. The Forward
does or at least did have a microfiche setup for all back editions --
I translated something for a client a few years back and it was >from the
1920's. But you have to be there.

Sylvia Schildt
Baltimore Maryland

In a message dated 00-07-04 22:50:48 EDT, Olga Parker wrote
<< My question then to Selma, or others who have used the bank records, how do
you determine which set to begin with to look for info ...? >>
There really is no way to determine where to start. The easiest group
of records is the Blitzstein Bank, because the index is 3x5 cards which
are typewritten and in fairly good alphabetical order. I believe I forgot
to mention that you would look for the name of the immigrant/passenger in
the various indices. Always remember the variations of spellings of the
names, so when looking at the Blitzstein index, for example, always look
"fore" and "aft" (so to speak).
Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA USA
SelmaN@...

There is a microfilm series of index cards that shows all of the addresses
and the corresponding AD/ED numbers for 1905, 1915, 1925 for at least
Manhattan that exists at the New York Public Library. The NYPL also has
the maps as well. Don't know if SLC has the reels but they are a great
find for people who had the addresses. They make the look up so very easy.

Allan Jordan


<< Jackye wrote "Can anyone tell me if there are finding aids for Brooklyn
in the 1905, 1915, and 1925 state censuses? I know they exist for
Manhattan and the Bronx">>

In a message dated 00-07-04 22:50:48 EDT, Olga Parker wrote
<< My question then to Selma, or others who have used the bank records, how do
you determine which set to begin with to look for info ...? >>
There really is no way to determine where to start. The easiest group
of records is the Blitzstein Bank, because the index is 3x5 cards which
are typewritten and in fairly good alphabetical order. I believe I forgot
to mention that you would look for the name of the immigrant/passenger in
the various indices. Always remember the variations of spellings of the
names, so when looking at the Blitzstein index, for example, always look
"fore" and "aft" (so to speak).
Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA USA
SelmaN@...

There is a microfilm series of index cards that shows all of the addresses
and the corresponding AD/ED numbers for 1905, 1915, 1925 for at least
Manhattan that exists at the New York Public Library. The NYPL also has
the maps as well. Don't know if SLC has the reels but they are a great
find for people who had the addresses. They make the look up so very easy.

Allan Jordan


<< Jackye wrote "Can anyone tell me if there are finding aids for Brooklyn
in the 1905, 1915, and 1925 state censuses? I know they exist for
Manhattan and the Bronx">>

Ann Rabinowitz wrote:
... that as a researcher whether at a beginner, intermediate or
advanced level, you should do basic work yourself. That is part of
the fun of genealogy and you'll learn more!!!

I second the motion, and I'd like to suggest that Ann's message,
called "Armchair Research", be made part of the JewishGen InfoFiles.

Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA USA
SelmaN@...

MODERATOR NOTE: All suggestions for JewishGen InfoFiles or databases
should be sent to support@...

Is there any restriction about copying down the info

from the tombstone?

Diane Jacobs
New yOrk

A photographer friend >from New Orleans went to a local cemetery here in
Providence to take pictures, and was told by a guard not to photograph
any gravestone inscriptions. Our friend remarked to us that in New
Orleans gravestone inscriptions are considered to be the private
property of the family and may not be photographed without permission.

If anyone has had any experience with such restrictions, I
would be interested to know about it. I have no idea how reliable our
friend's information is.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA

Ann Rabinowitz wrote:
... that as a researcher whether at a beginner, intermediate or
advanced level, you should do basic work yourself. That is part of
the fun of genealogy and you'll learn more!!!

I second the motion, and I'd like to suggest that Ann's message,
called "Armchair Research", be made part of the JewishGen InfoFiles.

Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA USA
SelmaN@...

MODERATOR NOTE: All suggestions for JewishGen InfoFiles or databases
should be sent to support@...

Is there any restriction about copying down the info

from the tombstone?

Diane Jacobs
New yOrk

A photographer friend >from New Orleans went to a local cemetery here in
Providence to take pictures, and was told by a guard not to photograph
any gravestone inscriptions. Our friend remarked to us that in New
Orleans gravestone inscriptions are considered to be the private
property of the family and may not be photographed without permission.

If anyone has had any experience with such restrictions, I
would be interested to know about it. I have no idea how reliable our
friend's information is.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA

Hi Budapest members,
I need someone to make a call to Rakoskereszturi Zsido cemetery on Kozma
utca. I have the name of my deceased ancestor and the date of death and the
plot location. The cemetery has index cards with the deceased person's name
and usually the address at the time of death. I need this address so I can
write to the appropriate District Office for the death certificate. If you
can make this phone call for me, please contact me and I will give you the
necessary information.

Koszonom szepen,

Eleanor Bien
Fairfax, Virginia
USA

Hi Budapest members,
I need someone to make a call to Rakoskereszturi Zsido cemetery on Kozma
utca. I have the name of my deceased ancestor and the date of death and the
plot location. The cemetery has index cards with the deceased person's name
and usually the address at the time of death. I need this address so I can
write to the appropriate District Office for the death certificate. If you
can make this phone call for me, please contact me and I will give you the
necessary information.

Koszonom szepen,

Eleanor Bien
Fairfax, Virginia
USA

Dear Jewish Genners

Does anyone out there have any info on the village of Swirz which is
located about 40km west of Lviv, Ukraine

Prior to WWII it had a Jewish Population large enough to have a synagogue
and Jewish cemetery.

I was in this village last week for 3 days and could not get any real
info >from any old timers at all. The only think that is unique is that
the parcel of land the synagogue was located on is vacant and has been
since 1941 when it was destroyed by the Nazi's. Seems the lot sold 3
times in the last 5 years but everyone is afraid to build on it. The
current owner said it has a "poltergeist" and asked me if I wanted to buy
it cheap.

Any info on this town >from anyone would be appreciated

Thanks
Jack Schraeter
Standish, Maine

The story is that when the Jews of eastern Europe came to the
Transvaal Gold Mines in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, they
banded together to give mutual assistance to each other. They formed an
association which was known roughly as P'RU meaning the Polish and
Russian Union, which over the years became known as the Peruvians. The
Anglo Jews and the German Jews looked down on these poorer Jews who had
not had the benefits of "western Culture" and so Peruvians became known
as those without acceptable manners.

But why was the same term, Peruvian, applied to uncultured Jews in
London? I heard it used, and by the descendants of East European
immigrants, in the district where my synagogue was, viz West Ham.

My mother was raised in New York City by parents >from Galicia. Yet, she
applied the term "Peruvian" indiscriminately to all Jews. Perhaps, by then
it's denigrating meaning had been watered down.

Mel Rogow
Los Angeles

Dear Jewish Genners

Does anyone out there have any info on the village of Swirz which is
located about 40km west of Lviv, Ukraine

Prior to WWII it had a Jewish Population large enough to have a synagogue
and Jewish cemetery.

I was in this village last week for 3 days and could not get any real
info >from any old timers at all. The only think that is unique is that
the parcel of land the synagogue was located on is vacant and has been
since 1941 when it was destroyed by the Nazi's. Seems the lot sold 3
times in the last 5 years but everyone is afraid to build on it. The
current owner said it has a "poltergeist" and asked me if I wanted to buy
it cheap.

Any info on this town >from anyone would be appreciated

Thanks
Jack Schraeter
Standish, Maine

The story is that when the Jews of eastern Europe came to the
Transvaal Gold Mines in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, they
banded together to give mutual assistance to each other. They formed an
association which was known roughly as P'RU meaning the Polish and
Russian Union, which over the years became known as the Peruvians. The
Anglo Jews and the German Jews looked down on these poorer Jews who had
not had the benefits of "western Culture" and so Peruvians became known
as those without acceptable manners.

But why was the same term, Peruvian, applied to uncultured Jews in
London? I heard it used, and by the descendants of East European
immigrants, in the district where my synagogue was, viz West Ham.

My mother was raised in New York City by parents >from Galicia. Yet, she
applied the term "Peruvian" indiscriminately to all Jews. Perhaps, by then
it's denigrating meaning had been watered down.

Mel Rogow
Los Angeles