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Re: Lieven #latvia

Leonard Kessler <lkes50@...>
 

Hello Dr. Salit. The following is all the information I have on my
relatives...the Lieven family: Levin Lieven, b. ? was the father of
Hirsh Lieven, b. ca. 1768 in Schlock, d. ca. 1835...married 2nd wife Sara
(nee Levy) & they had a son Marcus Lieven, b. ca. 1810, d. 2-12-1878 in
Riga. They also had daughter Rahel Lieven, b. 1802, son Hosias Lieven, b.
1808, d. 1836, daughter Minna Lieven, b. 1815 and daughter Jette Lieven, b.
1818. With his first wife...name unknown...Hirsh had a son Jacob Lieven, b.
1797, d. 1844 who married Helena (nee Mendelson) b, 1811 and they had
children. Marcus Lieven married Mariane (Mirjam) (nee Danziger) who was born
1821 and died 2-26-1870 in Riga. Marcus & Mariane had 3 children ...Sara
Lieven, b. 12-23-1851, m. 1869...Lieb Lieven, b. 4-23-1853 who married Lina
Shifra (nee Hirshfeldt), b. 11-15-1851 and they had children... and Israel
Lieven, b. 4-7-1857, m. 3-3-1885 and d. 9-10-1893 all in Riga. Israel Lieven
married Hana Esther (nee Feldmann), b. ca. 1858. Israel and Hana had 7
children....Aron Mordchel (Ore Marcus), Mera (Marjane), Leya, Josel Nisen
(Josiph), Haya, Sheina Menucha and Sara. Mera was my maternal grandmother.

Leonard Kessler, Arad, Israel

Original message:

From: "Salit, Dr. Irving" <Irving.salit@uhn.on.ca>
Subject: [latvia] RE: Lieven

I sent you some more information on the family. If you replied, please send
again to this address since my other e-mail died.

Irving E. Salit
Division of Infectious Diseases
Director, Immunodeficiency Clinic
Toronto General Hospital
Eaton G-216
416-340-3697


Latvia SIG #Latvia RE: Lieven #latvia

Leonard Kessler <lkes50@...>
 

Hello Dr. Salit. The following is all the information I have on my
relatives...the Lieven family: Levin Lieven, b. ? was the father of
Hirsh Lieven, b. ca. 1768 in Schlock, d. ca. 1835...married 2nd wife Sara
(nee Levy) & they had a son Marcus Lieven, b. ca. 1810, d. 2-12-1878 in
Riga. They also had daughter Rahel Lieven, b. 1802, son Hosias Lieven, b.
1808, d. 1836, daughter Minna Lieven, b. 1815 and daughter Jette Lieven, b.
1818. With his first wife...name unknown...Hirsh had a son Jacob Lieven, b.
1797, d. 1844 who married Helena (nee Mendelson) b, 1811 and they had
children. Marcus Lieven married Mariane (Mirjam) (nee Danziger) who was born
1821 and died 2-26-1870 in Riga. Marcus & Mariane had 3 children ...Sara
Lieven, b. 12-23-1851, m. 1869...Lieb Lieven, b. 4-23-1853 who married Lina
Shifra (nee Hirshfeldt), b. 11-15-1851 and they had children... and Israel
Lieven, b. 4-7-1857, m. 3-3-1885 and d. 9-10-1893 all in Riga. Israel Lieven
married Hana Esther (nee Feldmann), b. ca. 1858. Israel and Hana had 7
children....Aron Mordchel (Ore Marcus), Mera (Marjane), Leya, Josel Nisen
(Josiph), Haya, Sheina Menucha and Sara. Mera was my maternal grandmother.

Leonard Kessler, Arad, Israel

Original message:

From: "Salit, Dr. Irving" <Irving.salit@uhn.on.ca>
Subject: [latvia] RE: Lieven

I sent you some more information on the family. If you replied, please send
again to this address since my other e-mail died.

Irving E. Salit
Division of Infectious Diseases
Director, Immunodeficiency Clinic
Toronto General Hospital
Eaton G-216
416-340-3697


Re: Woman's name after a divorce #belarus

Joyce Weaver <joyweave@...>
 

I, too, think this is a great question. And I have another
twist on it. I found two women on a passenger list who I think
are my great-grandmother and great-aunt. Both are listed as
BLUMBERG. However, my reat-grandmother had been widowed and
remarried and widowed (I think-- but maybe divorced) again
before coming to the US. The family line is, "she buried
three husbands in Europe and married another one here."
The BLUMBERG children were >from either the first or second
marriage, definitely not the third.

Joy

-------
Carol Rombro Rider wrote:

What an interesting question! I don't recall seeing this addressed
before.
I have a passport of a relative >from Russia (Vilna Gubernia) who in
1893 came into the US. There are two names on the passport--hers and
her daughter.
...snip...
-----------------


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Woman's name after a divorce #belarus

Joyce Weaver <joyweave@...>
 

I, too, think this is a great question. And I have another
twist on it. I found two women on a passenger list who I think
are my great-grandmother and great-aunt. Both are listed as
BLUMBERG. However, my reat-grandmother had been widowed and
remarried and widowed (I think-- but maybe divorced) again
before coming to the US. The family line is, "she buried
three husbands in Europe and married another one here."
The BLUMBERG children were >from either the first or second
marriage, definitely not the third.

Joy

-------
Carol Rombro Rider wrote:

What an interesting question! I don't recall seeing this addressed
before.
I have a passport of a relative >from Russia (Vilna Gubernia) who in
1893 came into the US. There are two names on the passport--hers and
her daughter.
...snip...
-----------------


Indexing Belarus records #belarus

Susan Goldsmith
 

I would like to contribute to an indexing of Belarus records with the
associated ability to order records as has been done by JRI Poland.

I ordered three Minsk Gubernia films at the local FHL, based on Vitaly
Charny's kind efforts to identify the appearance, and frequency of
appearance of surnames in those records. Even with Russian translating
aids, I found it too daunting to try to even identify pages on which my
names appeared. We need more than an indication of whether names appear in
a record; we need an index of what the record states in summary form,
including the record's mention of other names, eg., witnesses.

How soon could we start such a project, what would it cost and is our SIG
interested in collecting names of SIG members and contributions for JRI
Belarus now? A great deal of enthusiasm is being expressed.

I think it is important that contributors' requests that the names they
are searching be indexed initially be honored. Vitaly's work in identifying
appearance of names makes this possible. Gradually, more and more names
will be able to be indexed.

Searching for HOROWICZ AND ALL VARIATIONS, DROZNAN, LEISERSON
Dolginovo, Minsk, Vileika area; TOBIAS, TOIBIS,TOYBES AND ALL VARIATIONS,
ROZHANSKY Novyy Sverzhen, Stolbtsy, Mir

Susan Goldsmith
PiedmontCA
jcwsmg@sprintmail.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Indexing Belarus records #belarus

Susan Goldsmith
 

I would like to contribute to an indexing of Belarus records with the
associated ability to order records as has been done by JRI Poland.

I ordered three Minsk Gubernia films at the local FHL, based on Vitaly
Charny's kind efforts to identify the appearance, and frequency of
appearance of surnames in those records. Even with Russian translating
aids, I found it too daunting to try to even identify pages on which my
names appeared. We need more than an indication of whether names appear in
a record; we need an index of what the record states in summary form,
including the record's mention of other names, eg., witnesses.

How soon could we start such a project, what would it cost and is our SIG
interested in collecting names of SIG members and contributions for JRI
Belarus now? A great deal of enthusiasm is being expressed.

I think it is important that contributors' requests that the names they
are searching be indexed initially be honored. Vitaly's work in identifying
appearance of names makes this possible. Gradually, more and more names
will be able to be indexed.

Searching for HOROWICZ AND ALL VARIATIONS, DROZNAN, LEISERSON
Dolginovo, Minsk, Vileika area; TOBIAS, TOIBIS,TOYBES AND ALL VARIATIONS,
ROZHANSKY Novyy Sverzhen, Stolbtsy, Mir

Susan Goldsmith
PiedmontCA
jcwsmg@sprintmail.com


Maiden Names #belarus

dorothy rivers <dotvic@...>
 

For a long time now I have felt that women should include their maiden
names on any genealogy searches. I have been doing this for years. It
doesn't take any time at all and I have the feeling I've sent another name
into the mix. Also, maybe a schoolmate >from three thousand miles away will
remember me and get in touch.

I'd like to see this custom become a habit all through JGFF and other
branches of family research. Comments, anyone?

Dorothy Auerbach Rivers Silver City, NM


Belarus SIG #Belarus Maiden Names #belarus

dorothy rivers <dotvic@...>
 

For a long time now I have felt that women should include their maiden
names on any genealogy searches. I have been doing this for years. It
doesn't take any time at all and I have the feeling I've sent another name
into the mix. Also, maybe a schoolmate >from three thousand miles away will
remember me and get in touch.

I'd like to see this custom become a habit all through JGFF and other
branches of family research. Comments, anyone?

Dorothy Auerbach Rivers Silver City, NM


Old telephone books #general

Micheline GUTMANN <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

Jean Bousse asked me :
I would be interested to know more about the collection at the Hotel de
Ville de Paris, as mentioned by Micheline Gutmann. Are they as complete,
in paper or also on microfilm? I hope Micheline could enlighten me and
the List. Thanks.<

As for me, I answered only about old directories included 1930 and after.

If we are in Paris, the collection of the Hotel de ville is probably the
same one, much easier to look at, than the microfilms at the Bibliotheque
Nationale de France at Tolbiac.
As I don't go to the BN because it is difficult of access (even when it is
opened and when there are no strikes of all kinds), I don't know is
everything has been microfilmed.
A collection of those microfilms also exists at the Archives of Paris, 18,
Boulevard Serrurier, perhaps not complete.
It is important to precise again that this is not a collection of ordinary
telephone books but commercial ones called "Almanach du Commerce et de
l'Industrie"

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris
michelinegutmann@compuserve.com
http://asso.genami.free.fr


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Old telephone books #general

Micheline GUTMANN <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

Jean Bousse asked me :
I would be interested to know more about the collection at the Hotel de
Ville de Paris, as mentioned by Micheline Gutmann. Are they as complete,
in paper or also on microfilm? I hope Micheline could enlighten me and
the List. Thanks.<

As for me, I answered only about old directories included 1930 and after.

If we are in Paris, the collection of the Hotel de ville is probably the
same one, much easier to look at, than the microfilms at the Bibliotheque
Nationale de France at Tolbiac.
As I don't go to the BN because it is difficult of access (even when it is
opened and when there are no strikes of all kinds), I don't know is
everything has been microfilmed.
A collection of those microfilms also exists at the Archives of Paris, 18,
Boulevard Serrurier, perhaps not complete.
It is important to precise again that this is not a collection of ordinary
telephone books but commercial ones called "Almanach du Commerce et de
l'Industrie"

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris
michelinegutmann@compuserve.com
http://asso.genami.free.fr


Re: Child Traveling Alone #general

A. E. Jordan
 

As I understood the various regulations, children traveling alone were not
permitted to enter the United States without a relative, guardian or alike
there to receive them. Maybe this only happened later but at Ellis Island
they tell you that children and women were detained on the Island until
someone called for them.

Anyone know if that is true?

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Child Traveling Alone #general

A. E. Jordan
 

As I understood the various regulations, children traveling alone were not
permitted to enter the United States without a relative, guardian or alike
there to receive them. Maybe this only happened later but at Ellis Island
they tell you that children and women were detained on the Island until
someone called for them.

Anyone know if that is true?

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


Need help with old addresses in USA for WAGNER #general

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

I just received ca 100 letters dated >from 1947-1953 and learned that my 2
WAGNERS I have been looking for the last 4 years lived in 1947
at the following addresses:

Harry Wagner
Woodland ave
Burbank, California

Juli Wagner
Vincent Ave
Cleveland Ohio

How shall I do to find out what happened to them? Harry Wagner could be in
his 50 ies I suppose. Does anybody recognize these names and places? They
were >from Sighetu Marmatiei, Tranylvania, Hungary.

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need help with old addresses in USA for WAGNER #general

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

I just received ca 100 letters dated >from 1947-1953 and learned that my 2
WAGNERS I have been looking for the last 4 years lived in 1947
at the following addresses:

Harry Wagner
Woodland ave
Burbank, California

Juli Wagner
Vincent Ave
Cleveland Ohio

How shall I do to find out what happened to them? Harry Wagner could be in
his 50 ies I suppose. Does anybody recognize these names and places? They
were >from Sighetu Marmatiei, Tranylvania, Hungary.

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


Posting Handwritten documents for translation on the Web #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

Please forgive me for sounding repetitive, fellow Jewishgenners. However,
after examining a number of handwritten documents posted on the Web,
including on ViewMate (an outstanding service on Jewishgen, by the way), I
want to make a plea for people to be exceedingly careful, since not all
such postings of scans turn out clearly; they run the risk of errors in
translation.

Our enterprise in reconstructing our ancestral past is too precious to
allow that to happen. I think my fellow translators can agree that there
can be enough problems deciphering handwritten documents even in hard copy!

So when translations are made of scanned handwritten documents, you should
be alert to possible inadvertent errors due merely to lack of clarity of
the scanned file.

Just my two cents.

David Goldman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Posting Handwritten documents for translation on the Web #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

Please forgive me for sounding repetitive, fellow Jewishgenners. However,
after examining a number of handwritten documents posted on the Web,
including on ViewMate (an outstanding service on Jewishgen, by the way), I
want to make a plea for people to be exceedingly careful, since not all
such postings of scans turn out clearly; they run the risk of errors in
translation.

Our enterprise in reconstructing our ancestral past is too precious to
allow that to happen. I think my fellow translators can agree that there
can be enough problems deciphering handwritten documents even in hard copy!

So when translations are made of scanned handwritten documents, you should
be alert to possible inadvertent errors due merely to lack of clarity of
the scanned file.

Just my two cents.

David Goldman


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Belarus SIG #Belarus e-mail changes: IMPORTANT - PLEASE NOTE!! #belarus

Elsebeth Paikin
 

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Linda Birnbaum new email address #belarus

Linda Birnbaum <birnbaum74@...>
 

New email address is birnbaum74@home.com

The birnbaum@ibm.net or birnbaum@attglobal.net address that you have
will stay in effect for a few weeks, and then go away.

Linda S. Birnbaum

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Belarus SIG #Belarus Linda Birnbaum new email address #belarus

Linda Birnbaum <birnbaum74@...>
 

New email address is birnbaum74@home.com

The birnbaum@ibm.net or birnbaum@attglobal.net address that you have
will stay in effect for a few weeks, and then go away.

Linda S. Birnbaum

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