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Familiant #austria-czech

jacob michel <jmichael@...>
 

Help,
I am confused, how is the familiant record different >from birth, marriage
records? which is more accurate?

jacob michel
israel


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Familiant #austria-czech

jacob michel <jmichael@...>
 

Help,
I am confused, how is the familiant record different >from birth, marriage
records? which is more accurate?

jacob michel
israel


Familianten Records #austria-czech

Charlie Roberts <charlie.roberts@...>
 

I would like to send a big 'thank you' to Celia Male for providing our SIG with
such a comprehensive explanation of the Familianten Records.

Regarding Moravia and my interest in Boskovice, does anyone know if Familianten
Records exist?

Thank you,
Charlie Roberts (ne Aufrichtig)
(London,England)
see family website www.aufrichtigs.com

Researching AUFRICHTIG in Boskovice, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria,
Hungary and worldwide


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Familianten Records #austria-czech

Charlie Roberts <charlie.roberts@...>
 

I would like to send a big 'thank you' to Celia Male for providing our SIG with
such a comprehensive explanation of the Familianten Records.

Regarding Moravia and my interest in Boskovice, does anyone know if Familianten
Records exist?

Thank you,
Charlie Roberts (ne Aufrichtig)
(London,England)
see family website www.aufrichtigs.com

Researching AUFRICHTIG in Boskovice, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria,
Hungary and worldwide


Lomnitz #austria-czech

Florence & Henry Wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

I would like to add my 10 cents worth to the discussion on Lomnitz. A couple
of years ago I found two lengthy articles on the Jewish community of Lomnitz
by Dorothea McEwan. One article under the title:
Juedisches Leben im Maehrischen Ghetto; Eine Skizzierung der Stetl-Geschichte
von Lomnitz bis 1848 appeared in: Mitteilungen des Instituts fuer Oesterreichische
Geschichtsforschung, Bd. 99, 1991
The other, entitled:
Das Stetl in Maehren: Die Frauen der Familie Fischer in Lomnitz, appeared in
Oesterreichische Osthefte, Jahrgang 35/1993, Heft 1.
At the time I contacted Ms. McEwen to get some advice on Moravian research
and she told me that she had been hired by the Dr. W.G. Fischer in London to
do research on Lomnitz.
I would also like to mention the terrific article on Moravia by Claire
Bruell in the current issue of Avotaynu.
Henry Wellisch


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Lomnitz #austria-czech

Florence & Henry Wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

I would like to add my 10 cents worth to the discussion on Lomnitz. A couple
of years ago I found two lengthy articles on the Jewish community of Lomnitz
by Dorothea McEwan. One article under the title:
Juedisches Leben im Maehrischen Ghetto; Eine Skizzierung der Stetl-Geschichte
von Lomnitz bis 1848 appeared in: Mitteilungen des Instituts fuer Oesterreichische
Geschichtsforschung, Bd. 99, 1991
The other, entitled:
Das Stetl in Maehren: Die Frauen der Familie Fischer in Lomnitz, appeared in
Oesterreichische Osthefte, Jahrgang 35/1993, Heft 1.
At the time I contacted Ms. McEwen to get some advice on Moravian research
and she told me that she had been hired by the Dr. W.G. Fischer in London to
do research on Lomnitz.
I would also like to mention the terrific article on Moravia by Claire
Bruell in the current issue of Avotaynu.
Henry Wellisch


Re: Understanding Familianten Records #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

John Freund of Toronto wrote to me [I have his permission to quote]:
"Hello Celia, my understanding is that although the Familianten law was enacted
in the 1700s, the enforcement and the bureacracy delayed the recordings by
generations. The actual records were most likely copied >from more primitive
documentation."

John, you are partially correct - but there were early Jewish records and perhaps
Church records which were fragile. I am sure they were enforced and I doubt that
they were primitive though; things were very sophisticated and detailed in those
early days especially when it related to controlling, counting and taxing the
Jews! Few bureacracies can compete with the Habsburgs for data gathering and
records. There were many censuses of Jews in Bohemia and presumably Moravia. Just
enter "census" into the search box on our Austria-Czech home page and you will
find them: 1719, 1722, 1724, 1783, 1793 etc ...

You can also read "In 1724, the first census of all Jews in the Czech lands was
carried out. Approximately 30,000 Jews inhabited 168 towns and 672 villages in
Bohemia and approximately 20,000 lived in Moravia, while 2,335 Jewish families
(approximately 10,500 Jews) were registered in Prague."

So this 1724 census must have been an excellent foundation for the Familianten
laws which were enacted two years later. The fact that in the 1793 census, the
sons are all listed as: erstgeborener, zweitgeborener etc, shows that this
listing was already very well-established in the 1700s.

My gt-gt-gt grandfather Samuel KOHN born in 1762 in Grossbock [Velka Bukovina,
Konigsgratzer Kreis] is listed as a Familiant; so there must have been books
going far, far back. His father born in 1722, Markus KOHN, House No 46,
Grossbock, Bohemia is designated as a Schutzjude of Count Sporck.

I should also have referred everyone to our excellent Austria-Czech site where
you can read the following:

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/czechguide.html

"One other result of the Familianten laws was that the government kept very
good records of which families lived in which towns. The list of Familianten
were collected in the Book of Jewish Familianten [also called "Mannschaftsbuecher"
in Moravia]. Records were collected in 1799 and in 1811 and updated until about
1830. Each record comprised the name of county, registration number of the family
in the whole land (based on "copulatio consensus"), the registration number of
family in the county (set up in 1725), name of the father, his wife, his sons
and a few other family details.... "

Hopefully, Julius and/or Daniel of the Jewish Museum, will let us know if some of
the much earlier records on which these 1799 and 1811 books were based still
exist and what form they took? Were the censuses used directly or were they
transcribed into special books, most of which may have got lost or destroyed when
the big Familianten books [1799 and 1811] were written and bound?

Celia Male [UK]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Understanding Familianten Records #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

John Freund of Toronto wrote to me [I have his permission to quote]:
"Hello Celia, my understanding is that although the Familianten law was enacted
in the 1700s, the enforcement and the bureacracy delayed the recordings by
generations. The actual records were most likely copied >from more primitive
documentation."

John, you are partially correct - but there were early Jewish records and perhaps
Church records which were fragile. I am sure they were enforced and I doubt that
they were primitive though; things were very sophisticated and detailed in those
early days especially when it related to controlling, counting and taxing the
Jews! Few bureacracies can compete with the Habsburgs for data gathering and
records. There were many censuses of Jews in Bohemia and presumably Moravia. Just
enter "census" into the search box on our Austria-Czech home page and you will
find them: 1719, 1722, 1724, 1783, 1793 etc ...

You can also read "In 1724, the first census of all Jews in the Czech lands was
carried out. Approximately 30,000 Jews inhabited 168 towns and 672 villages in
Bohemia and approximately 20,000 lived in Moravia, while 2,335 Jewish families
(approximately 10,500 Jews) were registered in Prague."

So this 1724 census must have been an excellent foundation for the Familianten
laws which were enacted two years later. The fact that in the 1793 census, the
sons are all listed as: erstgeborener, zweitgeborener etc, shows that this
listing was already very well-established in the 1700s.

My gt-gt-gt grandfather Samuel KOHN born in 1762 in Grossbock [Velka Bukovina,
Konigsgratzer Kreis] is listed as a Familiant; so there must have been books
going far, far back. His father born in 1722, Markus KOHN, House No 46,
Grossbock, Bohemia is designated as a Schutzjude of Count Sporck.

I should also have referred everyone to our excellent Austria-Czech site where
you can read the following:

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/czechguide.html

"One other result of the Familianten laws was that the government kept very
good records of which families lived in which towns. The list of Familianten
were collected in the Book of Jewish Familianten [also called "Mannschaftsbuecher"
in Moravia]. Records were collected in 1799 and in 1811 and updated until about
1830. Each record comprised the name of county, registration number of the family
in the whole land (based on "copulatio consensus"), the registration number of
family in the county (set up in 1725), name of the father, his wife, his sons
and a few other family details.... "

Hopefully, Julius and/or Daniel of the Jewish Museum, will let us know if some of
the much earlier records on which these 1799 and 1811 books were based still
exist and what form they took? Were the censuses used directly or were they
transcribed into special books, most of which may have got lost or destroyed when
the big Familianten books [1799 and 1811] were written and bound?

Celia Male [UK]


Patronym question #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I've come across a Chernigov record of an ancestor that says:

Ephraim Eikes-Berkob Halpern

This fellow's name, according to my relatives was Ephraim son of Jacob
Halpern. This is the first time I've seen Berkob.

In reading Jonathan Shea's Russian Language Documents >from Russian Poland
book, it says on pg 47, that the "patronymic was derived >from the father's
first name and was formed by adding obuy to the father's first name for sons
and obha for daughters" (note: I don't have Cyrillic letters on my
computer).

Can I assume that Jacob's father's name was Berk, because it says Berkob?
Ephraim Eikes-Berkob Halpern

I'm not sure why there is a hyphen between Eikes-Berkob. I, also, don't
understand why Ephraim's father's name Eikes (Jacob) isn't reflected as a
patronym and Berkob is reflected as a patronym.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Tom Erribe
CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Patronym question #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I've come across a Chernigov record of an ancestor that says:

Ephraim Eikes-Berkob Halpern

This fellow's name, according to my relatives was Ephraim son of Jacob
Halpern. This is the first time I've seen Berkob.

In reading Jonathan Shea's Russian Language Documents >from Russian Poland
book, it says on pg 47, that the "patronymic was derived >from the father's
first name and was formed by adding obuy to the father's first name for sons
and obha for daughters" (note: I don't have Cyrillic letters on my
computer).

Can I assume that Jacob's father's name was Berk, because it says Berkob?
Ephraim Eikes-Berkob Halpern

I'm not sure why there is a hyphen between Eikes-Berkob. I, also, don't
understand why Ephraim's father's name Eikes (Jacob) isn't reflected as a
patronym and Berkob is reflected as a patronym.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Tom Erribe
CA


seeking Alicia Norma KAMINETZKY in Argentina #general

Sheila Toffell
 

I would very much like to get in touch with Alicia Norma Kaminetzky
(#63800). Her email address is no longer valid. If you are reading this,
Alicia, please contact me at toffell@verizon.net regarding a possible
Vishnevetskiy family connection. If anyone in Argentina has any
connections either with Alicia or with the
Vishnevetskiy family originally >from the Ukraine, please contact me.

Sheila Toffell

Glen Rock NJ

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen seeking Alicia Norma KAMINETZKY in Argentina #general

Sheila Toffell
 

I would very much like to get in touch with Alicia Norma Kaminetzky
(#63800). Her email address is no longer valid. If you are reading this,
Alicia, please contact me at toffell@verizon.net regarding a possible
Vishnevetskiy family connection. If anyone in Argentina has any
connections either with Alicia or with the
Vishnevetskiy family originally >from the Ukraine, please contact me.

Sheila Toffell

Glen Rock NJ

MODERATOR NOTE: Please report JGFF e-mail addresses that no
longer work to the JewishGen LostNFound Desk,
LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org.


Help needed in cold turkey search - Kirovograd area #general

Sheila Toffell
 

I have been asked by a newly found cousin of mine whose family came >from the
town of Rovnoye near Elisovetograd (now Kirovograd) for some help. The
connection is that her paternal grandfather was my great uncle. She knows
virtually nothing about her father's family, as he died during WW2, when she
was a baby, and as they were displaced during the war, no memorabilia
remains. My family lost contact with them during the war because of this,
and no one remains who would remember any details. She is overjoyed that we
have found each other, and has many questions. She has asked me if I know
anything about her father having a sister; in other words, did my great
uncle have any other children?

What we know of our Great Uncle can be written on a postage stamp. We only
know his son existed >from something my grandmother said years ago. Finding
his family was like a holy grail for me. We now know his son was born in
1913 in Rovnoye, and, as my great uncle was my grandmother's brother, we
know his parents names. But we had not even thought of him having more than
one child. What is interesting is that we had enough family stories about
this guy, and his family in the Ukraine apparently had others! I really
would like to find this out for her, and I enjoy a challenge, but I need
some help.

I believe Rovnoye is part of the Kirovograd Oblast, so would vital records
for 1913 be in Kirovograd, or still held locally? Wherever they are, how
amenable (and expensive) would the authorities be to looking a few years
either side for a sibling's records?

Sheila Toffell

Glen Rock NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help needed in cold turkey search - Kirovograd area #general

Sheila Toffell
 

I have been asked by a newly found cousin of mine whose family came >from the
town of Rovnoye near Elisovetograd (now Kirovograd) for some help. The
connection is that her paternal grandfather was my great uncle. She knows
virtually nothing about her father's family, as he died during WW2, when she
was a baby, and as they were displaced during the war, no memorabilia
remains. My family lost contact with them during the war because of this,
and no one remains who would remember any details. She is overjoyed that we
have found each other, and has many questions. She has asked me if I know
anything about her father having a sister; in other words, did my great
uncle have any other children?

What we know of our Great Uncle can be written on a postage stamp. We only
know his son existed >from something my grandmother said years ago. Finding
his family was like a holy grail for me. We now know his son was born in
1913 in Rovnoye, and, as my great uncle was my grandmother's brother, we
know his parents names. But we had not even thought of him having more than
one child. What is interesting is that we had enough family stories about
this guy, and his family in the Ukraine apparently had others! I really
would like to find this out for her, and I enjoy a challenge, but I need
some help.

I believe Rovnoye is part of the Kirovograd Oblast, so would vital records
for 1913 be in Kirovograd, or still held locally? Wherever they are, how
amenable (and expensive) would the authorities be to looking a few years
either side for a sibling's records?

Sheila Toffell

Glen Rock NJ


Chevra Ahavat Achim Bris D'Lita #belarus

Joan Parker <joanparker@...>
 

Hello Genners,

Does anyone have any information about the Chevra Ahavat
Achim Bris D'Lita section?
This one happens to be in Washington Cemetery in NY.

Happy Pesach to all.

Regards,
Joan

Joan Parker, Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa, Ukraine, Bronx
and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Chevra Ahavat Achim Bris D'Lita #belarus

Joan Parker <joanparker@...>
 

Hello Genners,

Does anyone have any information about the Chevra Ahavat
Achim Bris D'Lita section?
This one happens to be in Washington Cemetery in NY.

Happy Pesach to all.

Regards,
Joan

Joan Parker, Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa, Ukraine, Bronx
and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.


Re: Russian Officers Liberating Auschwitz #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Russian Officers Liberating Auschwitz #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 


SZCZUPACKI/A & BERZNICKA, (Sejny) MIROVSKY (Isreal?) #poland

dayna reader <zoeys_mom@...>
 

i recently found another line of my family tree and
want to put it out there in case anyone has any
connections.

please contact me privately if you recognize a link:

lejba & dvera (daughter of lejb) SZCZUPACKI were both
born around 1820. both died in the 1890s in Sejny,
Poland

the SZCZUPACKIs had at least 4 children: Boruch (b.
1849), Abram (b. 1865), Szejna (b. about 1850ish), and
my gg-grandma, Rivka or Rebekah (b. around 1845).
boruch married pesza BERZNICKA and had daughter rivka.

rivka/rebekah SZCZUPACKA (daughter of lejba & dvera)
married a brewer named nasanel KANOWICZ or KOCHANOWSKI
about 1860 and had 6 daughters. one was named faigle,
who had a daughter named rivka who married a man whose
surname was MIROVSKY and had a daughter aviva (who
lived in isreal last we knew of her, she'd be around
60 years old now). another daughter was my g-grandma,
esther (b. about 1865).

esther KANOWICZ or KOCHANOWSKA married abram KOWALSKI
and had 7 children, the youngest of whom was my
grandma, rivka/rebekah (b. 1902)

any connections?

Dayna Reader

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JRI Poland #Poland SZCZUPACKI/A & BERZNICKA, (Sejny) MIROVSKY (Isreal?) #poland

dayna reader <zoeys_mom@...>
 

i recently found another line of my family tree and
want to put it out there in case anyone has any
connections.

please contact me privately if you recognize a link:

lejba & dvera (daughter of lejb) SZCZUPACKI were both
born around 1820. both died in the 1890s in Sejny,
Poland

the SZCZUPACKIs had at least 4 children: Boruch (b.
1849), Abram (b. 1865), Szejna (b. about 1850ish), and
my gg-grandma, Rivka or Rebekah (b. around 1845).
boruch married pesza BERZNICKA and had daughter rivka.

rivka/rebekah SZCZUPACKA (daughter of lejba & dvera)
married a brewer named nasanel KANOWICZ or KOCHANOWSKI
about 1860 and had 6 daughters. one was named faigle,
who had a daughter named rivka who married a man whose
surname was MIROVSKY and had a daughter aviva (who
lived in isreal last we knew of her, she'd be around
60 years old now). another daughter was my g-grandma,
esther (b. about 1865).

esther KANOWICZ or KOCHANOWSKA married abram KOWALSKI
and had 7 children, the youngest of whom was my
grandma, rivka/rebekah (b. 1902)

any connections?

Dayna Reader

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Make sure you also enter this information in the
JewishGen Family Finder www.jewishgen.org/jgff so others seeking
those families/towns can find you.