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Chaim Pertz GORDON #general

Yoni Shapiro <torahgen@...>
 

Does anyone have a Chaim pertz Gordon >from Luthinaia
in there records...
Yonasan Shapiro


Re: Passenger Listing #general

Howard Zakai
 

In a message dated 01/18/2001 3:15:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
herbiem@mindspring.com writes:

<< Diane Jacobs wrote in message
>I hate to throw a damper on this connection, but naturalization
>records are notorious for having incorrect information. I was doing
>a search for someone for April 7, 1903 and three ships they said
>their family came on at that time. I finally gave up looking for the
>ships and went to the soundex indexes. I finally found the person
>and lo and behold the April 7 was rightbut the year was l904.
>
>There is no guarantee if any or part of the information you have
>on the naturalization papers are incorrect. >>

Indeed you are correct. I have learned that passengers coming before 1906
did not have to prove when they arrived. But afterwards, they did. My
great-grandfather had his certificate of arrival with his naturalization
papers so everything matched up, but he listed his wife's arrival
incorrectly as he did not have to prove her arrival.
I have unfortunately learned not to take all information seriously.
Soundex indicies, although harder to research are infallible.

Howie Zakai
Staten Island, NY


Sadowne Poland #general

esta <ehome@...>
 

Looking for anyone >from that village
I am looking for information on Sadowne (sadobne) Poland. Anyone who
had family there. Am trying to trace my husband's family >from that
town.

The family name I'm looking for is Ofgang or Zbrak (Tzbrak).

I can be reached at given e-mail:ehome@barak-online.net

Esta Dekel


Paterson Cemeteries #general

Yoni Shapiro <torahgen@...>
 

Does anyone know if there are any cemertaries near
Paterson, NJ ????
Yonasan Shapiro

MODERATOR NOTE: Check out the IAJGS International Cemetery Project's
New Jersey webpage at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/Cemetery/northamerica/us/nj.html>,
where you will find many Cemeteries that are close to Paterson.


SWERNOFSKY/HECHT/KATZENELENSON #general

Herb Sollinger
 

Looking for a family named SWERNOFSKY >from what is now Belarus. Ben
HECHT of Chicago, famous American author, was a cousin, but I don't
know how. Possibly he was related to Fanny KATZENELENSON orig from
Bobruisk, Belarus(Russia) who lived in NYC. Ben Hecht's mother was a
Swernofsky.

Herb Sollinger
Uniondale, NY


Re: Ike LONDON #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Plotzk is a much bigger city by the fact that I have heard of it. Ripin
is smaller because I haven't. For more precise information, check an
on-line map or gazeteer (or another genner who will give you exact
information). ;-)

All secondary information is suspect. He said so-and-so in his
Russian/Yiddish/German (whatever) accent, and the clerk wrote down one
thing or another. The only way of knowing the ship and time is to find
him on a passenger list. Remember, his name may not have been London
but something else, so you may never find it. I know because I have
searched for years for my great grandparents who came at such and such a
time to NY. I am sure they swam.

In the US, a German is a German. We know it wasn't that way in Europe,
but we were at war with Germany, and who was to say your wife was not
the daughter of Kaiser Wilhelm.

Ike could have been Israel Lazowsky-but you cannot assume that. He
could have been 19 or 22 or something else. He could have been on
another ship. It may have been just before or after midnight and the
date is wrong by 1. It could be another date all together. He probably
sailed out of Holland-which is too bad, Hamburg Passenger Lists exist.

Check early directories in NY or wherever he lived. Check whatever you
can. He may have changed his name somewhat after he came, and if he was
Israel Lazowsky you may be able to find him with his wife (and maybe
kids) and be able to say with some degree of certainty that this guy was
married to a woman with the same name, kids with the same name, the ages
are right, so it probably is him.

Keep on trying,

Sally


Searching... #general

Yoni Shapiro <torahgen@...>
 

Abella Pinczow Poland
Bley Texas USA
Cohen Jerusalem Israel
Fajnstadt Pinczow Poland
Flatau Suwalki Poland
Grossman Stropkov Slovakia
Jaworkowski Filipow Poland
Kolko Grajewo Poland
Levin Sztabin Poland
Liebman Kobrin Belarus
Fishel,Yudel Lazer Morris Rochester,NY
Nusbaum Grajewo Poland
Yitzchok Wolker and familyFrysztak Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chaim Pertz GORDON #general

Yoni Shapiro <torahgen@...>
 

Does anyone have a Chaim pertz Gordon >from Luthinaia
in there records...
Yonasan Shapiro


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Passenger Listing #general

Howard Zakai
 

In a message dated 01/18/2001 3:15:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
herbiem@mindspring.com writes:

<< Diane Jacobs wrote in message
>I hate to throw a damper on this connection, but naturalization
>records are notorious for having incorrect information. I was doing
>a search for someone for April 7, 1903 and three ships they said
>their family came on at that time. I finally gave up looking for the
>ships and went to the soundex indexes. I finally found the person
>and lo and behold the April 7 was rightbut the year was l904.
>
>There is no guarantee if any or part of the information you have
>on the naturalization papers are incorrect. >>

Indeed you are correct. I have learned that passengers coming before 1906
did not have to prove when they arrived. But afterwards, they did. My
great-grandfather had his certificate of arrival with his naturalization
papers so everything matched up, but he listed his wife's arrival
incorrectly as he did not have to prove her arrival.
I have unfortunately learned not to take all information seriously.
Soundex indicies, although harder to research are infallible.

Howie Zakai
Staten Island, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sadowne Poland #general

esta <ehome@...>
 

Looking for anyone >from that village
I am looking for information on Sadowne (sadobne) Poland. Anyone who
had family there. Am trying to trace my husband's family >from that
town.

The family name I'm looking for is Ofgang or Zbrak (Tzbrak).

I can be reached at given e-mail:ehome@barak-online.net

Esta Dekel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Paterson Cemeteries #general

Yoni Shapiro <torahgen@...>
 

Does anyone know if there are any cemertaries near
Paterson, NJ ????
Yonasan Shapiro

MODERATOR NOTE: Check out the IAJGS International Cemetery Project's
New Jersey webpage at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/Cemetery/northamerica/us/nj.html>,
where you will find many Cemeteries that are close to Paterson.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SWERNOFSKY/HECHT/KATZENELENSON #general

Herb Sollinger
 

Looking for a family named SWERNOFSKY >from what is now Belarus. Ben
HECHT of Chicago, famous American author, was a cousin, but I don't
know how. Possibly he was related to Fanny KATZENELENSON orig from
Bobruisk, Belarus(Russia) who lived in NYC. Ben Hecht's mother was a
Swernofsky.

Herb Sollinger
Uniondale, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ike LONDON #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Plotzk is a much bigger city by the fact that I have heard of it. Ripin
is smaller because I haven't. For more precise information, check an
on-line map or gazeteer (or another genner who will give you exact
information). ;-)

All secondary information is suspect. He said so-and-so in his
Russian/Yiddish/German (whatever) accent, and the clerk wrote down one
thing or another. The only way of knowing the ship and time is to find
him on a passenger list. Remember, his name may not have been London
but something else, so you may never find it. I know because I have
searched for years for my great grandparents who came at such and such a
time to NY. I am sure they swam.

In the US, a German is a German. We know it wasn't that way in Europe,
but we were at war with Germany, and who was to say your wife was not
the daughter of Kaiser Wilhelm.

Ike could have been Israel Lazowsky-but you cannot assume that. He
could have been 19 or 22 or something else. He could have been on
another ship. It may have been just before or after midnight and the
date is wrong by 1. It could be another date all together. He probably
sailed out of Holland-which is too bad, Hamburg Passenger Lists exist.

Check early directories in NY or wherever he lived. Check whatever you
can. He may have changed his name somewhat after he came, and if he was
Israel Lazowsky you may be able to find him with his wife (and maybe
kids) and be able to say with some degree of certainty that this guy was
married to a woman with the same name, kids with the same name, the ages
are right, so it probably is him.

Keep on trying,

Sally


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching... #general

Yoni Shapiro <torahgen@...>
 

Abella Pinczow Poland
Bley Texas USA
Cohen Jerusalem Israel
Fajnstadt Pinczow Poland
Flatau Suwalki Poland
Grossman Stropkov Slovakia
Jaworkowski Filipow Poland
Kolko Grajewo Poland
Levin Sztabin Poland
Liebman Kobrin Belarus
Fishel,Yudel Lazer Morris Rochester,NY
Nusbaum Grajewo Poland
Yitzchok Wolker and familyFrysztak Poland


Noam Elimelch's brother Avrham #general

Yoni Shapiro <torahgen@...>
 

The Noam Elimelch had a borther Avrham who
Morrie'Galica by R'Wunder say he was a Dr.
Will I contacted the des. of the NE R'Elimech Shiff and he
said over the same story how he was a innkeeper. In is
known that at one point he lived in Krosberg or known
as Kaligrad. Does anyone have any infoo of suggestions..

Yonasan Shapiro


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Noam Elimelch's brother Avrham #general

Yoni Shapiro <torahgen@...>
 

The Noam Elimelch had a borther Avrham who
Morrie'Galica by R'Wunder say he was a Dr.
Will I contacted the des. of the NE R'Elimech Shiff and he
said over the same story how he was a innkeeper. In is
known that at one point he lived in Krosberg or known
as Kaligrad. Does anyone have any infoo of suggestions..

Yonasan Shapiro


Re: Vital Records in New York City #belarus

theentins <theentins@...>
 

Many births and some marriages were never recorded in New York City
especially during the late 1800's. People just didn't bother to report them
to authorities. Many children were born at home and not in hospitals and nor
with the aid of doctors. The birth of my grandmother and two of her brothers
born in New York's lower east side in the 1880's were never recorded.

Jeffrey S. Entin
Fall River, MA

Researching:

ENTIN, Minsk, Belarus; BERLYAVSKY, Pereyaslav and Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine;
PERCIKOVICH (HORVITZ), Butrimonys, Lithuania; BUBELSKY, Prienai, Lithuania;
LEVIN, Vilnius, Lithuania; SCHILANSKY, Mariampole and Siauliai, Lithuania;
LIPSCHITZ, Kaunas and Vilnius, Lithuania; UCHEVITZ, Vilnius, Lithuania,
KABATCHNICK , Lithuania; FALK, Lithuania


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Vital Records in New York City #belarus

theentins <theentins@...>
 

Many births and some marriages were never recorded in New York City
especially during the late 1800's. People just didn't bother to report them
to authorities. Many children were born at home and not in hospitals and nor
with the aid of doctors. The birth of my grandmother and two of her brothers
born in New York's lower east side in the 1880's were never recorded.

Jeffrey S. Entin
Fall River, MA

Researching:

ENTIN, Minsk, Belarus; BERLYAVSKY, Pereyaslav and Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine;
PERCIKOVICH (HORVITZ), Butrimonys, Lithuania; BUBELSKY, Prienai, Lithuania;
LEVIN, Vilnius, Lithuania; SCHILANSKY, Mariampole and Siauliai, Lithuania;
LIPSCHITZ, Kaunas and Vilnius, Lithuania; UCHEVITZ, Vilnius, Lithuania,
KABATCHNICK , Lithuania; FALK, Lithuania


Missing NYC Marriage Certificate #belarus

Avrohom Krauss <avkrauss@...>
 

You can't assume because someone checked, that the record does not exist.
Check marriage index YOURSELF, if possible.
If 1911 produces no result, check the surrounding years in NY boroughs. When
was their first child born? Subtract one year >from the birth of first child
to guess the year of marriage. Check the Birth indexes for a few years for
the birth of possible other children. Check the death index, as well for
relatives.
Did you look at the City Directories to determine if they lived in NY in
that time frame? Did you check the 1910 Federal Census at the 1910 address?
If they do not appear, check Winnipeg. Perhaps the date is right but
location wrong.
Good luck!

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone Israel


Belarus SIG #Belarus Missing NYC Marriage Certificate #belarus

Avrohom Krauss <avkrauss@...>
 

You can't assume because someone checked, that the record does not exist.
Check marriage index YOURSELF, if possible.
If 1911 produces no result, check the surrounding years in NY boroughs. When
was their first child born? Subtract one year >from the birth of first child
to guess the year of marriage. Check the Birth indexes for a few years for
the birth of possible other children. Check the death index, as well for
relatives.
Did you look at the City Directories to determine if they lived in NY in
that time frame? Did you check the 1910 Federal Census at the 1910 address?
If they do not appear, check Winnipeg. Perhaps the date is right but
location wrong.
Good luck!

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone Israel