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Francois CHETREANU Mail Bounced #general

Marion5301@...
 

My email was returned to me >from <chetreanu.gen@club-internet.fr>

I am trying to respond privately to him regarding the US adress he
requested. Mr. Chetreanu, please write me at <marion5301@aol.com> for
more information.

Marion Diamond
Sherman Oaks, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Francois CHETREANU Mail Bounced #general

Marion5301@...
 

My email was returned to me >from <chetreanu.gen@club-internet.fr>

I am trying to respond privately to him regarding the US adress he
requested. Mr. Chetreanu, please write me at <marion5301@aol.com> for
more information.

Marion Diamond
Sherman Oaks, CA


obituary in NYC ca 1902-1910 #ukraine

Evan Fishman <ebf2001@...>
 

4/1/01

I'm trying to locate the obituary of a relative who died in New York City
between 1902-1910. Was it common practice then for most people to have an
obituary printed? In which newspaper(s) should I look? What newspapers
would have printed obituaries of immigrant Jews during this period?

Thanks for your help.

Evan Fishman
ebf2001@home.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine obituary in NYC ca 1902-1910 #ukraine

Evan Fishman <ebf2001@...>
 

4/1/01

I'm trying to locate the obituary of a relative who died in New York City
between 1902-1910. Was it common practice then for most people to have an
obituary printed? In which newspaper(s) should I look? What newspapers
would have printed obituaries of immigrant Jews during this period?

Thanks for your help.

Evan Fishman
ebf2001@home.com


Need up-to-date info on a Baltimore Cemetery #general

Steven Garber <shgarber@...>
 

I wonder if someone can tell me the current name, address, phone no.,
hours of what was once known as: Hebrew Mt. Carmel, 6700 German Hill
Road, Baltimore, MD 21222.

I wrote to that address, no response. There is no Yellow Pages online
listing. Is this cemetery part of Mt. Carmel, which seems to be some
distance to the west.

Please respond privately, as I don't subscribe, and need the info soon.
You can also respond to the list.

Thanks!
Steve Garber
Denver, CO


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need up-to-date info on a Baltimore Cemetery #general

Steven Garber <shgarber@...>
 

I wonder if someone can tell me the current name, address, phone no.,
hours of what was once known as: Hebrew Mt. Carmel, 6700 German Hill
Road, Baltimore, MD 21222.

I wrote to that address, no response. There is no Yellow Pages online
listing. Is this cemetery part of Mt. Carmel, which seems to be some
distance to the west.

Please respond privately, as I don't subscribe, and need the info soon.
You can also respond to the list.

Thanks!
Steve Garber
Denver, CO


Orphan train question #general

Mimi Katz <geveretk@...>
 

What was the likelihood of a Chicago orphan having gotten on a train around
1910, or were they just east coast orphans?

Mimi Katz, Chicago
GeveretK@core.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Orphan train question #general

Mimi Katz <geveretk@...>
 

What was the likelihood of a Chicago orphan having gotten on a train around
1910, or were they just east coast orphans?

Mimi Katz, Chicago
GeveretK@core.com


Unknowingly marrying a sibling #general

ifidont@...
 

Hello! I'm a little behind on e-mail reading, hence the late post...

Last week Avrumy Heschel wrote:
<< One ramification of this is the possibility, albeit very remote of
someone unknowingly marrying a natural sister. Such an act is not only
forbidden in Jewish law but I believe is considered immoral by most
civilized people. There has been at least one documented incident in
Israel where an adopted child actually got engaged to a woman who turned
out to be his natural sister.>>

This should be even more of a concern for people conceived through
anonymous donor gametes. One man can, in theory at least, sire a great
many children through such donations, and all would be half-siblings to
each other. The same is true -- to a much lesser degree -- for a woman
who donates eggs. Since the resulting children don't receive much
information about their DNA donors (assuming they are even told the truth
about their conceptions), this makes unwitting marriage to a sibling a
very real possibility, even if it's still rather unlikely.

Makes you young folks wonder just how much you know about your spouse,
doesn't it? <wink>

Barbara Niederhoff
Centennial CO

MODERATOR NOTE: Please keep further discussion of this topic relevant to
genealogy.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Unknowingly marrying a sibling #general

ifidont@...
 

Hello! I'm a little behind on e-mail reading, hence the late post...

Last week Avrumy Heschel wrote:
<< One ramification of this is the possibility, albeit very remote of
someone unknowingly marrying a natural sister. Such an act is not only
forbidden in Jewish law but I believe is considered immoral by most
civilized people. There has been at least one documented incident in
Israel where an adopted child actually got engaged to a woman who turned
out to be his natural sister.>>

This should be even more of a concern for people conceived through
anonymous donor gametes. One man can, in theory at least, sire a great
many children through such donations, and all would be half-siblings to
each other. The same is true -- to a much lesser degree -- for a woman
who donates eggs. Since the resulting children don't receive much
information about their DNA donors (assuming they are even told the truth
about their conceptions), this makes unwitting marriage to a sibling a
very real possibility, even if it's still rather unlikely.

Makes you young folks wonder just how much you know about your spouse,
doesn't it? <wink>

Barbara Niederhoff
Centennial CO

MODERATOR NOTE: Please keep further discussion of this topic relevant to
genealogy.


CA online birth index #general

ifidont@...
 

Another thing to be aware of when searching the California birth index at
Rootsweb is that first names are truncated after 8 letters. So if you're
looking for a Christopher or a Jacqueline and type in the whole first
name, it comes up with no matching entries. If this affects any of you,
try a first initial or group of letters.

I have also had the strange experience of finding a person in that index
on one try, and then not being able to find him later on. He's neither
alive nor adopted, and I tried a variety of searches and can't find him.
I *know* he was in there before, listed right next to his siblings'
names. The siblings are still listed. It doesn't affect my research at
all, but it is a bit perplexing.

Barbara Niederhoff
Centennial CO


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen CA online birth index #general

ifidont@...
 

Another thing to be aware of when searching the California birth index at
Rootsweb is that first names are truncated after 8 letters. So if you're
looking for a Christopher or a Jacqueline and type in the whole first
name, it comes up with no matching entries. If this affects any of you,
try a first initial or group of letters.

I have also had the strange experience of finding a person in that index
on one try, and then not being able to find him later on. He's neither
alive nor adopted, and I tried a variety of searches and can't find him.
I *know* he was in there before, listed right next to his siblings'
names. The siblings are still listed. It doesn't affect my research at
all, but it is a bit perplexing.

Barbara Niederhoff
Centennial CO


Vitebsk guberniya voters lists project #belarus

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

A while ago I sent out a message to this list asking for help with the work
of databasing the Vitebsk guberniya voters lists >from the Duma election in
1906. Then only one person, Ira Leibowitz, offered to help me and
additionally perhaps Vitaly Charny will partly be assisting me.

To be able to start the project, I would like if we could be at least four
or five persons participating in the project. The voters lists are found on
films >from the Norman Ross Publising company and covers perhaps more than
one film. The lists are completely in Russian, but printed Russian, so the
work will consist of translitteration and translation >from Russian to
English.

Is there anyone else out there who can offer help in this project? The more
people we are, the less work per person!

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Researching:
LEVINTAL / LEVINTHAL: Surazh+Vitebsk+Yanavichy, Belarus
NEMTSOV / NEMZOFF: Vitsebsk, Belarus; Sweden; Denmark
NEMCHENKO / NEMCHENOK / NEMTSCHENKO: Mstislavl+Surazh+Vitsebsk+
Yanavichy, Belarus; St Petersburg, Russia; Sweden
NIVOROSHKIN / NEWOROSCHKIN / NIVAROSCHKIN / NIWOROSCHKIN:
Astrouna+Surazh, Belarus; Rostov-na-Donu, Russia; Sweden; Denmark;
New York, NY, USA


Belarus SIG #Belarus Vitebsk guberniya voters lists project #belarus

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

A while ago I sent out a message to this list asking for help with the work
of databasing the Vitebsk guberniya voters lists >from the Duma election in
1906. Then only one person, Ira Leibowitz, offered to help me and
additionally perhaps Vitaly Charny will partly be assisting me.

To be able to start the project, I would like if we could be at least four
or five persons participating in the project. The voters lists are found on
films >from the Norman Ross Publising company and covers perhaps more than
one film. The lists are completely in Russian, but printed Russian, so the
work will consist of translitteration and translation >from Russian to
English.

Is there anyone else out there who can offer help in this project? The more
people we are, the less work per person!

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Researching:
LEVINTAL / LEVINTHAL: Surazh+Vitebsk+Yanavichy, Belarus
NEMTSOV / NEMZOFF: Vitsebsk, Belarus; Sweden; Denmark
NEMCHENKO / NEMCHENOK / NEMTSCHENKO: Mstislavl+Surazh+Vitsebsk+
Yanavichy, Belarus; St Petersburg, Russia; Sweden
NIVOROSHKIN / NEWOROSCHKIN / NIVAROSCHKIN / NIWOROSCHKIN:
Astrouna+Surazh, Belarus; Rostov-na-Donu, Russia; Sweden; Denmark;
New York, NY, USA


Re: Ship Arrivals & St. Alban's Listing scope #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear Genners:

That microfilm series is indeed broader than just the old small ports/Ver=
mont
description. I found cards for places as far west as Winnipeg, Manitoba, =
which
is just north of N. Dakota. =


A NARA employee recently told me that many records for Canada had been
consolidated into the St. Alban's holdings, rather than being in several
different locations. =


Probably a clearer description is available at NARA's website in the Gene=
alogy
pages.

Best,
Michelle Frager in NYC


ACKERMAN FAMILY #latvia

E Goldstein <eligold@...>
 

As Eli has sent a lenthy and detailed biography of
Raymond Ackerman I suggest that you visit the
website for the full text. Thank you Eli for
sending the reference. I have edited the biography.
I knew Raymond personally and he is an
exceptionally fine person.
Arlene Beare Moderator

The following excerpt is taken >from the PICK & PAY WEBSITE
http://www.picknpay.co.za

Raymond Ackerman

Raymond Ackerman didn't grow up knowing that he would start an enormously
successful chain of Supermarkets. Although his father, Gus, had been one of
the founders of Ackermans, South Africa's first retail chain, the business
was started after the depression on borrowed money and Gus never fully
tasted the fruits of his own labour.

For someone so compassionate, Raymond Ackerman had a remarkably pressured
upbringing. He and his siblings went to good schools and never lacked for
anything. However, they were drilled with perpetual hard work and the belief
that success requires both good ideas and eternal vigilance.

At the University of Cape Town (UCT), Ackerman studied under Professor WH
Hutt, who preached consumer sovereignty at a time when cosy agreements
between business and government were the norm. "Care for the customers and
they will care for you," Hutt used to say.

Although his father thought it totally impractical, the mixture of
philanthropy and unbridled competition appealed immensely to Ackerman
junior. Sorting buttons and ladies' underwear at Ackermans was his first job
after he graduated and, in his brand new suit, the budding young
entrepreneur learned the meaning of courtesy by spending Saturday mornings
welcoming shoppers to the store and getting chairs for old ladies.

Just as the frustration was reaching unbearable levels, he found a position
in the Greatermans stores and there he learned about a much wider range of
merchandise and clientele. In 1955, Greatermans decided to
convert one of their old stores to a Supermarket, this became the starting
point of the Checkers chain

He believed that the necessity for regular food purchases means that it can
be profitably sold at much lower mark-ups than clothing or general
merchandise, which are not purchased as frequently. But Greatermans'
management didn't share Ackerman's enthusiasm for this dangerous experiment.
Norman Herber, the son of Harry Herber, to whom Gus Ackerman had sold the
Ackerman's chain in desperation, was now in control of Greatermans. Although
Ackerman junior was good at his job and well liked by staff and customers,
Herber did not appreciate him implementing his unconventional ideas. They
had only permitted food in their stores because it brought in people; now,
they felt, Ackerman was determined to make a loss on it.

Because food retailing was an unknown trade in South Africa, Ackerman begged
Herber to let him travel to America to investigate Supermarketing trends in
their most advanced form.

With limited funds, Raymond and his wife Wendy
travelled by Greyhound bus, sleeping in truck stops
and doing every kind of Supermarket job available, >from shelf packing to
fish cutting. They also attended seminars presented by retailing guru,
Bernardo Trujillo, on behalf of National Cash, explaining the theories of
modern retailing. They had found in Trujillo another influential person who
believed consumer sovereignty was the cornerstone of good retail business,
yet, unlike Hutt, whose approach was academic, Trujillo was a hard-nosed
businessman.

When the Ackermans returned to South Africa, Herber decided to move Raymond
back into Menswear at Greatermans, meaning the lessons learned in the States
had to be put on ice. However, the new manager of the Checkers chain didn't
perform and, with management's back to the wall, Ackerman got his chance to
run the Checkers stores, utilising his new-found knowledge.

During these years of Pick 'n Pay's massive growth, Ackerman maintained
contact with his international retailing friends, and kept up to date with
their latest innovations - he is shameless about copying great ideas, and
believes spurious invention is not good for business.

Thirty years after he started Pick 'n Pay, Ackerman remains firmly in charge
only because he has acquired the wisdom to let go of those parts of the
business that are best left to a younger breed of retailers, who will carry
his legacy through into the twenty-first Century.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Ship Arrivals & St. Alban's Listing scope #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear Genners:

That microfilm series is indeed broader than just the old small ports/Ver=
mont
description. I found cards for places as far west as Winnipeg, Manitoba, =
which
is just north of N. Dakota. =


A NARA employee recently told me that many records for Canada had been
consolidated into the St. Alban's holdings, rather than being in several
different locations. =


Probably a clearer description is available at NARA's website in the Gene=
alogy
pages.

Best,
Michelle Frager in NYC


Latvia SIG #Latvia ACKERMAN FAMILY #latvia

E Goldstein <eligold@...>
 

As Eli has sent a lenthy and detailed biography of
Raymond Ackerman I suggest that you visit the
website for the full text. Thank you Eli for
sending the reference. I have edited the biography.
I knew Raymond personally and he is an
exceptionally fine person.
Arlene Beare Moderator

The following excerpt is taken >from the PICK & PAY WEBSITE
http://www.picknpay.co.za

Raymond Ackerman

Raymond Ackerman didn't grow up knowing that he would start an enormously
successful chain of Supermarkets. Although his father, Gus, had been one of
the founders of Ackermans, South Africa's first retail chain, the business
was started after the depression on borrowed money and Gus never fully
tasted the fruits of his own labour.

For someone so compassionate, Raymond Ackerman had a remarkably pressured
upbringing. He and his siblings went to good schools and never lacked for
anything. However, they were drilled with perpetual hard work and the belief
that success requires both good ideas and eternal vigilance.

At the University of Cape Town (UCT), Ackerman studied under Professor WH
Hutt, who preached consumer sovereignty at a time when cosy agreements
between business and government were the norm. "Care for the customers and
they will care for you," Hutt used to say.

Although his father thought it totally impractical, the mixture of
philanthropy and unbridled competition appealed immensely to Ackerman
junior. Sorting buttons and ladies' underwear at Ackermans was his first job
after he graduated and, in his brand new suit, the budding young
entrepreneur learned the meaning of courtesy by spending Saturday mornings
welcoming shoppers to the store and getting chairs for old ladies.

Just as the frustration was reaching unbearable levels, he found a position
in the Greatermans stores and there he learned about a much wider range of
merchandise and clientele. In 1955, Greatermans decided to
convert one of their old stores to a Supermarket, this became the starting
point of the Checkers chain

He believed that the necessity for regular food purchases means that it can
be profitably sold at much lower mark-ups than clothing or general
merchandise, which are not purchased as frequently. But Greatermans'
management didn't share Ackerman's enthusiasm for this dangerous experiment.
Norman Herber, the son of Harry Herber, to whom Gus Ackerman had sold the
Ackerman's chain in desperation, was now in control of Greatermans. Although
Ackerman junior was good at his job and well liked by staff and customers,
Herber did not appreciate him implementing his unconventional ideas. They
had only permitted food in their stores because it brought in people; now,
they felt, Ackerman was determined to make a loss on it.

Because food retailing was an unknown trade in South Africa, Ackerman begged
Herber to let him travel to America to investigate Supermarketing trends in
their most advanced form.

With limited funds, Raymond and his wife Wendy
travelled by Greyhound bus, sleeping in truck stops
and doing every kind of Supermarket job available, >from shelf packing to
fish cutting. They also attended seminars presented by retailing guru,
Bernardo Trujillo, on behalf of National Cash, explaining the theories of
modern retailing. They had found in Trujillo another influential person who
believed consumer sovereignty was the cornerstone of good retail business,
yet, unlike Hutt, whose approach was academic, Trujillo was a hard-nosed
businessman.

When the Ackermans returned to South Africa, Herber decided to move Raymond
back into Menswear at Greatermans, meaning the lessons learned in the States
had to be put on ice. However, the new manager of the Checkers chain didn't
perform and, with management's back to the wall, Ackerman got his chance to
run the Checkers stores, utilising his new-found knowledge.

During these years of Pick 'n Pay's massive growth, Ackerman maintained
contact with his international retailing friends, and kept up to date with
their latest innovations - he is shameless about copying great ideas, and
believes spurious invention is not good for business.

Thirty years after he started Pick 'n Pay, Ackerman remains firmly in charge
only because he has acquired the wisdom to let go of those parts of the
business that are best left to a younger breed of retailers, who will carry
his legacy through into the twenty-first Century.


Passenger shipping lists #belarus

vivienne kay <viviennekay@...>
 

Hi guys

For those trying to trace passenger lists, a suggestions is:
www.alltheweb.com - type in passenger ships

an alternative is to type in 'passenger shipping lists'

Good luck.

Regards
Vivienne Shilkin
Melbourne, Australia

Seaching SHILKIN - Beshenkovichi/Vitebsk
SEGAL - Zfat (Safed) Israel


Belarus SIG #Belarus Passenger shipping lists #belarus

vivienne kay <viviennekay@...>
 

Hi guys

For those trying to trace passenger lists, a suggestions is:
www.alltheweb.com - type in passenger ships

an alternative is to type in 'passenger shipping lists'

Good luck.

Regards
Vivienne Shilkin
Melbourne, Australia

Seaching SHILKIN - Beshenkovichi/Vitebsk
SEGAL - Zfat (Safed) Israel