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Re: any resources for Georgia, Russia? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Ari Itzkowitz" <arii@netvision.net.il> wrote

Does anyone have any resources for the Ashkenazi Jewish community that
existed in Georgia, Russia?
This is the Beth Hatefusoth webpage for Georgia
http://www.bh.org.il/Communities/Archive/Tbilisi.asp

The Ashkenazi synagogue is at:

Ashkenazi Synagogue
65 Kozeveny Lane
Tbilisi
Georgia

There are 3 cemeteries in Tbilisi including
the Ashkenazi one.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Micheal HUTTNER #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

Micheal (Huttner) please contact me privately..

Gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: any resources for Georgia, Russia? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Ari Itzkowitz" <arii@netvision.net.il> wrote

Does anyone have any resources for the Ashkenazi Jewish community that
existed in Georgia, Russia?
This is the Beth Hatefusoth webpage for Georgia
http://www.bh.org.il/Communities/Archive/Tbilisi.asp

The Ashkenazi synagogue is at:

Ashkenazi Synagogue
65 Kozeveny Lane
Tbilisi
Georgia

There are 3 cemeteries in Tbilisi including
the Ashkenazi one.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Micheal HUTTNER #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

Micheal (Huttner) please contact me privately..

Gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca


Re: Jewish Genealogy and the World of J #general

Susan <susanplouffe@...>
 

re: David Trombka recommendation of the World of J website.www.worldofj.com
Not being as astute as Donna noted yesterday, I gladly went to this website
and registered providing my personal information, (age was mandatory which I
thought was strange, but I still completed it!) To my amazement once I had
done that I found the site appeared to me to be a "meet people" site. I
would say it could even be construed as a "dating site". I was horrified
when I signed in to see a "match" person on my screen, (a 63 yr. old man).
When I clicked on genealogy there was no information available except a list
of other "match" people that I could send a message to that had indicated an
interest in genealogy. Before I registered there was no explanation of how
this website worked or I would not have been interested.
I immediately replied to the link I had sent the confirmation of
registration to and asked to have my information taken off of the website.
This email was returned to me undeliverable. There is *no* contact information
on this website whatsoever to unregister. Having said all that I would
strongly advise to stay away >from this website.
Susan Plouffe
Vancouver, Canada

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish Genealogy and the World of J #general

Susan <susanplouffe@...>
 

re: David Trombka recommendation of the World of J website.www.worldofj.com
Not being as astute as Donna noted yesterday, I gladly went to this website
and registered providing my personal information, (age was mandatory which I
thought was strange, but I still completed it!) To my amazement once I had
done that I found the site appeared to me to be a "meet people" site. I
would say it could even be construed as a "dating site". I was horrified
when I signed in to see a "match" person on my screen, (a 63 yr. old man).
When I clicked on genealogy there was no information available except a list
of other "match" people that I could send a message to that had indicated an
interest in genealogy. Before I registered there was no explanation of how
this website worked or I would not have been interested.
I immediately replied to the link I had sent the confirmation of
registration to and asked to have my information taken off of the website.
This email was returned to me undeliverable. There is *no* contact information
on this website whatsoever to unregister. Having said all that I would
strongly advise to stay away >from this website.
Susan Plouffe
Vancouver, Canada

MODERATOR NOTE: Please carry on any further correspondence about this
site privately.


Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Orlando (JGSGO) April Meeting - April 18, 2005 at 7:30 PM #general

Doris Frank <dofrank@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Orlando (JGSGO) will meet on
Monday, April 18th at 7:30 PM in the Mini-Sanctuary of Congregation of
Liberal Judaism (CLJ), 928 Malone Drive, Orlando.

Program: Part II - "Roots Recalled: Remembering Generations >from Foreign Lands,"

Panelists: Jerry Kurland (Canada); Susan Livingstone (Ireland) and
José Valle (Cuba and Argentina).

Moderated by Jay Schleichkorn.

We look forward to all interested parties attending our program.

Info and membership inquiries: Doris Frank, 407-323-9728


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Orlando (JGSGO) April Meeting - April 18, 2005 at 7:30 PM #general

Doris Frank <dofrank@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Orlando (JGSGO) will meet on
Monday, April 18th at 7:30 PM in the Mini-Sanctuary of Congregation of
Liberal Judaism (CLJ), 928 Malone Drive, Orlando.

Program: Part II - "Roots Recalled: Remembering Generations >from Foreign Lands,"

Panelists: Jerry Kurland (Canada); Susan Livingstone (Ireland) and
José Valle (Cuba and Argentina).

Moderated by Jay Schleichkorn.

We look forward to all interested parties attending our program.

Info and membership inquiries: Doris Frank, 407-323-9728


Familiant #austria-czech

jacob michel <jmichael@...>
 

Help,
I am confused, how is the familiant record different >from birth, marriage
records? which is more accurate?

jacob michel
israel


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Familiant #austria-czech

jacob michel <jmichael@...>
 

Help,
I am confused, how is the familiant record different >from birth, marriage
records? which is more accurate?

jacob michel
israel


Familianten Records #austria-czech

Charlie Roberts <charlie.roberts@...>
 

I would like to send a big 'thank you' to Celia Male for providing our SIG with
such a comprehensive explanation of the Familianten Records.

Regarding Moravia and my interest in Boskovice, does anyone know if Familianten
Records exist?

Thank you,
Charlie Roberts (ne Aufrichtig)
(London,England)
see family website www.aufrichtigs.com

Researching AUFRICHTIG in Boskovice, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria,
Hungary and worldwide


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Familianten Records #austria-czech

Charlie Roberts <charlie.roberts@...>
 

I would like to send a big 'thank you' to Celia Male for providing our SIG with
such a comprehensive explanation of the Familianten Records.

Regarding Moravia and my interest in Boskovice, does anyone know if Familianten
Records exist?

Thank you,
Charlie Roberts (ne Aufrichtig)
(London,England)
see family website www.aufrichtigs.com

Researching AUFRICHTIG in Boskovice, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria,
Hungary and worldwide


Lomnitz #austria-czech

Florence & Henry Wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

I would like to add my 10 cents worth to the discussion on Lomnitz. A couple
of years ago I found two lengthy articles on the Jewish community of Lomnitz
by Dorothea McEwan. One article under the title:
Juedisches Leben im Maehrischen Ghetto; Eine Skizzierung der Stetl-Geschichte
von Lomnitz bis 1848 appeared in: Mitteilungen des Instituts fuer Oesterreichische
Geschichtsforschung, Bd. 99, 1991
The other, entitled:
Das Stetl in Maehren: Die Frauen der Familie Fischer in Lomnitz, appeared in
Oesterreichische Osthefte, Jahrgang 35/1993, Heft 1.
At the time I contacted Ms. McEwen to get some advice on Moravian research
and she told me that she had been hired by the Dr. W.G. Fischer in London to
do research on Lomnitz.
I would also like to mention the terrific article on Moravia by Claire
Bruell in the current issue of Avotaynu.
Henry Wellisch


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Lomnitz #austria-czech

Florence & Henry Wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

I would like to add my 10 cents worth to the discussion on Lomnitz. A couple
of years ago I found two lengthy articles on the Jewish community of Lomnitz
by Dorothea McEwan. One article under the title:
Juedisches Leben im Maehrischen Ghetto; Eine Skizzierung der Stetl-Geschichte
von Lomnitz bis 1848 appeared in: Mitteilungen des Instituts fuer Oesterreichische
Geschichtsforschung, Bd. 99, 1991
The other, entitled:
Das Stetl in Maehren: Die Frauen der Familie Fischer in Lomnitz, appeared in
Oesterreichische Osthefte, Jahrgang 35/1993, Heft 1.
At the time I contacted Ms. McEwen to get some advice on Moravian research
and she told me that she had been hired by the Dr. W.G. Fischer in London to
do research on Lomnitz.
I would also like to mention the terrific article on Moravia by Claire
Bruell in the current issue of Avotaynu.
Henry Wellisch


Re: Understanding Familianten Records #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

John Freund of Toronto wrote to me [I have his permission to quote]:
"Hello Celia, my understanding is that although the Familianten law was enacted
in the 1700s, the enforcement and the bureacracy delayed the recordings by
generations. The actual records were most likely copied >from more primitive
documentation."

John, you are partially correct - but there were early Jewish records and perhaps
Church records which were fragile. I am sure they were enforced and I doubt that
they were primitive though; things were very sophisticated and detailed in those
early days especially when it related to controlling, counting and taxing the
Jews! Few bureacracies can compete with the Habsburgs for data gathering and
records. There were many censuses of Jews in Bohemia and presumably Moravia. Just
enter "census" into the search box on our Austria-Czech home page and you will
find them: 1719, 1722, 1724, 1783, 1793 etc ...

You can also read "In 1724, the first census of all Jews in the Czech lands was
carried out. Approximately 30,000 Jews inhabited 168 towns and 672 villages in
Bohemia and approximately 20,000 lived in Moravia, while 2,335 Jewish families
(approximately 10,500 Jews) were registered in Prague."

So this 1724 census must have been an excellent foundation for the Familianten
laws which were enacted two years later. The fact that in the 1793 census, the
sons are all listed as: erstgeborener, zweitgeborener etc, shows that this
listing was already very well-established in the 1700s.

My gt-gt-gt grandfather Samuel KOHN born in 1762 in Grossbock [Velka Bukovina,
Konigsgratzer Kreis] is listed as a Familiant; so there must have been books
going far, far back. His father born in 1722, Markus KOHN, House No 46,
Grossbock, Bohemia is designated as a Schutzjude of Count Sporck.

I should also have referred everyone to our excellent Austria-Czech site where
you can read the following:

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/czechguide.html

"One other result of the Familianten laws was that the government kept very
good records of which families lived in which towns. The list of Familianten
were collected in the Book of Jewish Familianten [also called "Mannschaftsbuecher"
in Moravia]. Records were collected in 1799 and in 1811 and updated until about
1830. Each record comprised the name of county, registration number of the family
in the whole land (based on "copulatio consensus"), the registration number of
family in the county (set up in 1725), name of the father, his wife, his sons
and a few other family details.... "

Hopefully, Julius and/or Daniel of the Jewish Museum, will let us know if some of
the much earlier records on which these 1799 and 1811 books were based still
exist and what form they took? Were the censuses used directly or were they
transcribed into special books, most of which may have got lost or destroyed when
the big Familianten books [1799 and 1811] were written and bound?

Celia Male [UK]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Understanding Familianten Records #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

John Freund of Toronto wrote to me [I have his permission to quote]:
"Hello Celia, my understanding is that although the Familianten law was enacted
in the 1700s, the enforcement and the bureacracy delayed the recordings by
generations. The actual records were most likely copied >from more primitive
documentation."

John, you are partially correct - but there were early Jewish records and perhaps
Church records which were fragile. I am sure they were enforced and I doubt that
they were primitive though; things were very sophisticated and detailed in those
early days especially when it related to controlling, counting and taxing the
Jews! Few bureacracies can compete with the Habsburgs for data gathering and
records. There were many censuses of Jews in Bohemia and presumably Moravia. Just
enter "census" into the search box on our Austria-Czech home page and you will
find them: 1719, 1722, 1724, 1783, 1793 etc ...

You can also read "In 1724, the first census of all Jews in the Czech lands was
carried out. Approximately 30,000 Jews inhabited 168 towns and 672 villages in
Bohemia and approximately 20,000 lived in Moravia, while 2,335 Jewish families
(approximately 10,500 Jews) were registered in Prague."

So this 1724 census must have been an excellent foundation for the Familianten
laws which were enacted two years later. The fact that in the 1793 census, the
sons are all listed as: erstgeborener, zweitgeborener etc, shows that this
listing was already very well-established in the 1700s.

My gt-gt-gt grandfather Samuel KOHN born in 1762 in Grossbock [Velka Bukovina,
Konigsgratzer Kreis] is listed as a Familiant; so there must have been books
going far, far back. His father born in 1722, Markus KOHN, House No 46,
Grossbock, Bohemia is designated as a Schutzjude of Count Sporck.

I should also have referred everyone to our excellent Austria-Czech site where
you can read the following:

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/czechguide.html

"One other result of the Familianten laws was that the government kept very
good records of which families lived in which towns. The list of Familianten
were collected in the Book of Jewish Familianten [also called "Mannschaftsbuecher"
in Moravia]. Records were collected in 1799 and in 1811 and updated until about
1830. Each record comprised the name of county, registration number of the family
in the whole land (based on "copulatio consensus"), the registration number of
family in the county (set up in 1725), name of the father, his wife, his sons
and a few other family details.... "

Hopefully, Julius and/or Daniel of the Jewish Museum, will let us know if some of
the much earlier records on which these 1799 and 1811 books were based still
exist and what form they took? Were the censuses used directly or were they
transcribed into special books, most of which may have got lost or destroyed when
the big Familianten books [1799 and 1811] were written and bound?

Celia Male [UK]


Patronym question #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I've come across a Chernigov record of an ancestor that says:

Ephraim Eikes-Berkob Halpern

This fellow's name, according to my relatives was Ephraim son of Jacob
Halpern. This is the first time I've seen Berkob.

In reading Jonathan Shea's Russian Language Documents >from Russian Poland
book, it says on pg 47, that the "patronymic was derived >from the father's
first name and was formed by adding obuy to the father's first name for sons
and obha for daughters" (note: I don't have Cyrillic letters on my
computer).

Can I assume that Jacob's father's name was Berk, because it says Berkob?
Ephraim Eikes-Berkob Halpern

I'm not sure why there is a hyphen between Eikes-Berkob. I, also, don't
understand why Ephraim's father's name Eikes (Jacob) isn't reflected as a
patronym and Berkob is reflected as a patronym.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Tom Erribe
CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Patronym question #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I've come across a Chernigov record of an ancestor that says:

Ephraim Eikes-Berkob Halpern

This fellow's name, according to my relatives was Ephraim son of Jacob
Halpern. This is the first time I've seen Berkob.

In reading Jonathan Shea's Russian Language Documents >from Russian Poland
book, it says on pg 47, that the "patronymic was derived >from the father's
first name and was formed by adding obuy to the father's first name for sons
and obha for daughters" (note: I don't have Cyrillic letters on my
computer).

Can I assume that Jacob's father's name was Berk, because it says Berkob?
Ephraim Eikes-Berkob Halpern

I'm not sure why there is a hyphen between Eikes-Berkob. I, also, don't
understand why Ephraim's father's name Eikes (Jacob) isn't reflected as a
patronym and Berkob is reflected as a patronym.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Tom Erribe
CA


seeking Alicia Norma KAMINETZKY in Argentina #general

Sheila Toffell
 

I would very much like to get in touch with Alicia Norma Kaminetzky
(#63800). Her email address is no longer valid. If you are reading this,
Alicia, please contact me at toffell@verizon.net regarding a possible
Vishnevetskiy family connection. If anyone in Argentina has any
connections either with Alicia or with the
Vishnevetskiy family originally >from the Ukraine, please contact me.

Sheila Toffell

Glen Rock NJ

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen seeking Alicia Norma KAMINETZKY in Argentina #general

Sheila Toffell
 

I would very much like to get in touch with Alicia Norma Kaminetzky
(#63800). Her email address is no longer valid. If you are reading this,
Alicia, please contact me at toffell@verizon.net regarding a possible
Vishnevetskiy family connection. If anyone in Argentina has any
connections either with Alicia or with the
Vishnevetskiy family originally >from the Ukraine, please contact me.

Sheila Toffell

Glen Rock NJ

MODERATOR NOTE: Please report JGFF e-mail addresses that no
longer work to the JewishGen LostNFound Desk,
LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org.