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Re: Drapers Traveller? #general

RTWhite <rtwhite@...>
 

Any travelling salesman of that time period was commonly called a 'traveller'.
Indeed, in the US, there were trade associations for each, ie: The Shoe
Traveller Association, The Hat Travellers Association.
Perhaps this terminology was more elite than carpetbagger.

Richard White

On 20 Sep 2002 09:34:14 -0700, lnjnyc@nyc.rr.com (Larry Jenkins) wrote:
Well, I've searched and searched the net and cannot find a definition for
this job description listed on the 1901 UK Census for my Great-Grandfather
and Grandfather: Drapers Traveller.
Can anyone here enlighten me?

Thank you in advance,
Larry Jenkins
mailto:lnjnyc@nyc.rr.com


Carol Rombro Rider #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

I am trying to reconnect with Carol Rombro Rider of Baltimore, MD. regarding
the GERSTEN family of Obertin, Ukraine.

Thank you,
Connie Fisher Newhan
Yorba Linda, California
Searching FISHER/FISZER (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland), BARSKY/BARSKY (Odessa),
GOLDBERG (Russia?), FELDMAN (Kovno), SPRINGER, HAMBURGER (Poland), ABRAMS,
RABINOWITZ, FRIEDSAM (Germany), NEWHAN/NEUHAN (Hesse Cassel, Germany),
GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine),
ANTZEL(Poland), SPRINGER, LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS, RABINOWITZ


POLISH TRANSLATIONS #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

I know there are some free translation websites like Alta Vista, but I'm
looking for one that can translate Polish to English. Does anyone know of
such a site?

Thank you,

Connie Fisher Newhan
Yorba Linda, California
Searching FISHER/FISZER (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland), BARSKY/BARSKY (Odessa),
GOLDBERG (Russia?), FELDMAN (Kovno), SPRINGER, HAMBURGER (Poland), ABRAMS,
RABINOWITZ, FRIEDSAM (Germany), NEWHAN/NEUHAN (Hesse Cassel, Germany),
GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine),
ANTZEL(Poland), SPRINGER, LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS, RABINOWITZ


Searching MARKIEWITZ, BROSCA, LIBERMECZ - Question about #general

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

We are posting this message on behalf of Reina Benaderet de Navarro. The
message was received in Spanish. This is the translation:

<< My grandfather: he was called Zigmund MARKIEWITZ BROSCA (at least this
is the way he appeared in his documents in Uruguay), my mother went two
years ago to the Polish embassy in Uruguay (that is where my grandfather
lived) and they told her that his last name was MARKOWICZ, been born in
Poland in 1903, in the city of Sosnovicz [Sosnowiec],but it seems that he
went later to Oberchlesing. His father's name was Moises Markowicz, his
mother Blima Brosca.

According to the Polish ambassador my grandfather had a brother called
Jacobo Mayer Markowicz born in 1901 married with Estela Malka LIBERMECZ,
they had two children, Moises Markowicz born 21/09/1929 and Frimeta
Markowicz born 31/12/1930. According to the information that I have (also
from the embassy) there was a concentration camp in Sosnovicz and almost
all those that were Jews died. According to what my grandfather told us,
we think that his parents were farmers.

What we did not manage to understand with my mother, is why we received a
request to claim some account in Switzerland (In Re Holocaust Victim Assets
Litigation) if we never tried to find out or demanded anything, how did
they found out of grandfather's existence and how did they know where we
lived? I believe that the form arrived in the yr. 2000

I salute you and hope that you can help me.
Thank you very much. Shalom, Reina >>

If you can help Reina in her search, please reply to < bloch@escape.ca >

Thank You.

Susana Leistner Bloch
Project Manager, JewishGen International Desk


Trudi KAPLAN, where are you? #general

Thia Persoff <thiap@...>
 

Shalom and happy Sukot holyday to all.

For few years I am trying to locate and get in touch with Trudi KAPLAN in
Australia.
She wrote to us that her maternal grand mother's maiden name was PERSOFF (or
PERSOV) who came to Australia >from Russia, is related to us.
Trudi used to live in Perth, then wrote that she will be moving to Sydney,
but neglected to send her new address, thus our contact on the brink of
search and discovery was lost. The letters we wrote with request to have
them forwarded to her were returned un delivered.
If any of you knows her - I will be most grateful if you would please ask
her to write to us!

With thanks,
Thia Persoff.

Cambria, Ca.
thiap@thegrid.net

Searching :
PERSOV, PERSOFF & variations.
NEPOMNIYASHCHY.
GITLIN, VAINER, WEINER & variations
SHUBOVICH, SHUBOV & variations


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Drapers Traveller? #general

RTWhite <rtwhite@...>
 

Any travelling salesman of that time period was commonly called a 'traveller'.
Indeed, in the US, there were trade associations for each, ie: The Shoe
Traveller Association, The Hat Travellers Association.
Perhaps this terminology was more elite than carpetbagger.

Richard White

On 20 Sep 2002 09:34:14 -0700, lnjnyc@nyc.rr.com (Larry Jenkins) wrote:
Well, I've searched and searched the net and cannot find a definition for
this job description listed on the 1901 UK Census for my Great-Grandfather
and Grandfather: Drapers Traveller.
Can anyone here enlighten me?

Thank you in advance,
Larry Jenkins
mailto:lnjnyc@nyc.rr.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Carol Rombro Rider #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

I am trying to reconnect with Carol Rombro Rider of Baltimore, MD. regarding
the GERSTEN family of Obertin, Ukraine.

Thank you,
Connie Fisher Newhan
Yorba Linda, California
Searching FISHER/FISZER (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland), BARSKY/BARSKY (Odessa),
GOLDBERG (Russia?), FELDMAN (Kovno), SPRINGER, HAMBURGER (Poland), ABRAMS,
RABINOWITZ, FRIEDSAM (Germany), NEWHAN/NEUHAN (Hesse Cassel, Germany),
GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine),
ANTZEL(Poland), SPRINGER, LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS, RABINOWITZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen POLISH TRANSLATIONS #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

I know there are some free translation websites like Alta Vista, but I'm
looking for one that can translate Polish to English. Does anyone know of
such a site?

Thank you,

Connie Fisher Newhan
Yorba Linda, California
Searching FISHER/FISZER (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland), BARSKY/BARSKY (Odessa),
GOLDBERG (Russia?), FELDMAN (Kovno), SPRINGER, HAMBURGER (Poland), ABRAMS,
RABINOWITZ, FRIEDSAM (Germany), NEWHAN/NEUHAN (Hesse Cassel, Germany),
GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine),
ANTZEL(Poland), SPRINGER, LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS, RABINOWITZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching MARKIEWITZ, BROSCA, LIBERMECZ - Question about #general

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

We are posting this message on behalf of Reina Benaderet de Navarro. The
message was received in Spanish. This is the translation:

<< My grandfather: he was called Zigmund MARKIEWITZ BROSCA (at least this
is the way he appeared in his documents in Uruguay), my mother went two
years ago to the Polish embassy in Uruguay (that is where my grandfather
lived) and they told her that his last name was MARKOWICZ, been born in
Poland in 1903, in the city of Sosnovicz [Sosnowiec],but it seems that he
went later to Oberchlesing. His father's name was Moises Markowicz, his
mother Blima Brosca.

According to the Polish ambassador my grandfather had a brother called
Jacobo Mayer Markowicz born in 1901 married with Estela Malka LIBERMECZ,
they had two children, Moises Markowicz born 21/09/1929 and Frimeta
Markowicz born 31/12/1930. According to the information that I have (also
from the embassy) there was a concentration camp in Sosnovicz and almost
all those that were Jews died. According to what my grandfather told us,
we think that his parents were farmers.

What we did not manage to understand with my mother, is why we received a
request to claim some account in Switzerland (In Re Holocaust Victim Assets
Litigation) if we never tried to find out or demanded anything, how did
they found out of grandfather's existence and how did they know where we
lived? I believe that the form arrived in the yr. 2000

I salute you and hope that you can help me.
Thank you very much. Shalom, Reina >>

If you can help Reina in her search, please reply to < bloch@escape.ca >

Thank You.

Susana Leistner Bloch
Project Manager, JewishGen International Desk


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Trudi KAPLAN, where are you? #general

Thia Persoff <thiap@...>
 

Shalom and happy Sukot holyday to all.

For few years I am trying to locate and get in touch with Trudi KAPLAN in
Australia.
She wrote to us that her maternal grand mother's maiden name was PERSOFF (or
PERSOV) who came to Australia >from Russia, is related to us.
Trudi used to live in Perth, then wrote that she will be moving to Sydney,
but neglected to send her new address, thus our contact on the brink of
search and discovery was lost. The letters we wrote with request to have
them forwarded to her were returned un delivered.
If any of you knows her - I will be most grateful if you would please ask
her to write to us!

With thanks,
Thia Persoff.

Cambria, Ca.
thiap@thegrid.net

Searching :
PERSOV, PERSOFF & variations.
NEPOMNIYASHCHY.
GITLIN, VAINER, WEINER & variations
SHUBOVICH, SHUBOV & variations


Attn: Harold Pollins #general

Todd Loth <tloth@...>
 

Harold,

I made note of your query regarding Pte. Anthony Klein, because I may be
travelling through Lloydminster sometime in the next couple of weeks.
Just wondered if you found the information that you were after???
Have you tried the Canadian War Graves Commission?
www.cwgc.org/addresses.hml
scroll down to the Canadian Agency and there is a contact e-mail.

Also there is a new project being started, called The Maple Leaf Legacy
Project.
Where they are planning to have a on-line data base containing photographs
of every Canadian soldier grave-world wide. For more information check out
their web site at
www.mllp.demon.co.uk

As I mentioned before I may be travelling through Lloydminster in the
beginning of Oct....if I do.... I will check it out for you.

Good luck!

Kim Loth
Kamloops, BC, Canada
kloth@telus.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Attn: Harold Pollins #general

Todd Loth <tloth@...>
 

Harold,

I made note of your query regarding Pte. Anthony Klein, because I may be
travelling through Lloydminster sometime in the next couple of weeks.
Just wondered if you found the information that you were after???
Have you tried the Canadian War Graves Commission?
www.cwgc.org/addresses.hml
scroll down to the Canadian Agency and there is a contact e-mail.

Also there is a new project being started, called The Maple Leaf Legacy
Project.
Where they are planning to have a on-line data base containing photographs
of every Canadian soldier grave-world wide. For more information check out
their web site at
www.mllp.demon.co.uk

As I mentioned before I may be travelling through Lloydminster in the
beginning of Oct....if I do.... I will check it out for you.

Good luck!

Kim Loth
Kamloops, BC, Canada
kloth@telus.net


Re: Plungy #general

Zalman <zalman@...>
 

It looks to me that when they were adopted, they didn't remember the last
name, but knew the name of the place, Plunge, and that's how they were given
the name.
Is it possible that they were born in Plunge, and were brought to US as
babies ?
I think it is the most probable explanation.

Zalman Lazkovich

Brend Nuite wrote:
I am trying to help my daughter learn about her grandfather and his
heritage, but have only the information below:

Joseph Cashmere PLUNGY, born March 1919.
His biological parents were >from Lithuania
Had a sister, but I am not aware of other siblings.
He and sister were adopted and raised in Philadelphia, PA.
I do not know if PLUNGY is adopted or birth name.
I believe his sister continued to live in or near Philadelphia as an
adult.
He married Elaine TOCE of East Hartford, CT.
Served in U.S. Army during WWII.

If anyone has any information or recommendations on how I should proceed,
I'd be very grateful for the help.

Brenda Nuite
Menasha, Wisconsin
bnuite@proliantgroup.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Plungy #general

Zalman <zalman@...>
 

It looks to me that when they were adopted, they didn't remember the last
name, but knew the name of the place, Plunge, and that's how they were given
the name.
Is it possible that they were born in Plunge, and were brought to US as
babies ?
I think it is the most probable explanation.

Zalman Lazkovich

Brend Nuite wrote:
I am trying to help my daughter learn about her grandfather and his
heritage, but have only the information below:

Joseph Cashmere PLUNGY, born March 1919.
His biological parents were >from Lithuania
Had a sister, but I am not aware of other siblings.
He and sister were adopted and raised in Philadelphia, PA.
I do not know if PLUNGY is adopted or birth name.
I believe his sister continued to live in or near Philadelphia as an
adult.
He married Elaine TOCE of East Hartford, CT.
Served in U.S. Army during WWII.

If anyone has any information or recommendations on how I should proceed,
I'd be very grateful for the help.

Brenda Nuite
Menasha, Wisconsin
bnuite@proliantgroup.com


Don Mopsick #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Don, you have done yeoman's work here these last years, and how you
managed such a consciencious job on top of your demanding
professional and creative activities is a wonder to me.

Thank you for all you have done for us Bobruiskers. Best of
everything in your activities.

Michelle Frager, NYC
FRAKT, WOLFSON, LIFSHITZ, DINABURSKY - Bobruisk & Belarus


Belarus SIG #Belarus Don Mopsick #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Don, you have done yeoman's work here these last years, and how you
managed such a consciencious job on top of your demanding
professional and creative activities is a wonder to me.

Thank you for all you have done for us Bobruiskers. Best of
everything in your activities.

Michelle Frager, NYC
FRAKT, WOLFSON, LIFSHITZ, DINABURSKY - Bobruisk & Belarus


Re: Rivers in Romania #romania

DVORAHSV@...
 

I don't know about the Milkov River, but the Dneister
(or you might see it spelled Nistre, Nistru) is in eastern Moldova --
the area formerly known as Bessarabia, now mostly Republic of Moldova,
was once part of Romania, then USSR >from 1940 until its independence in
1991 -- Bessarabia/Moldova is essentially the slice of land between the
rivers Prut (to the west) and Dneister.

If you have heard of Moldva's territorial problems, a sort of civil
conflict still going on in this nation that has historically been pulled
between east and west, the "self-proclaimed" republic of Transdneister
Transnistr, Transnistria) begins on the east bank of River Dneister
(includes the city of Tiraspol, formerly Bendery) to the border with
Ukraine, while the capital of Moldova remains Chisinau (formerly Kishinev)
on the Byk (Bak, Bug) River in the middle of the country.

Deborah Schafer
Massachusetts, USA
dvorahsv@aol.com
Searching:
---SCHAFER or SCHAFERS, Romania/Moldova/Bessarabia (Falesti, Odobesti?)
---RAPOPORT, Bessarabia
RISILIS, ROJEZELIS, RISELES, Rovno (now Ukraine)


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Rivers in Romania #romania

DVORAHSV@...
 

I don't know about the Milkov River, but the Dneister
(or you might see it spelled Nistre, Nistru) is in eastern Moldova --
the area formerly known as Bessarabia, now mostly Republic of Moldova,
was once part of Romania, then USSR >from 1940 until its independence in
1991 -- Bessarabia/Moldova is essentially the slice of land between the
rivers Prut (to the west) and Dneister.

If you have heard of Moldva's territorial problems, a sort of civil
conflict still going on in this nation that has historically been pulled
between east and west, the "self-proclaimed" republic of Transdneister
Transnistr, Transnistria) begins on the east bank of River Dneister
(includes the city of Tiraspol, formerly Bendery) to the border with
Ukraine, while the capital of Moldova remains Chisinau (formerly Kishinev)
on the Byk (Bak, Bug) River in the middle of the country.

Deborah Schafer
Massachusetts, USA
dvorahsv@aol.com
Searching:
---SCHAFER or SCHAFERS, Romania/Moldova/Bessarabia (Falesti, Odobesti?)
---RAPOPORT, Bessarabia
RISILIS, ROJEZELIS, RISELES, Rovno (now Ukraine)


A bogus death record #general

alan rems <aprems37@...>
 

In June, an announcement was made by David Fox that Jewish vital records
from certain towns in Lida have become available >from the Mormons for
particular years. As they included 1899 death records for Rozhanka, the year
my gggrandfather Yankef Peretz Vendrovsky died in that shtetl, I hastened to
order the filmstrip. With its small Jewish population of about 550 people,
Rozhanka did not have many deaths in 1899 and a Vendrovsky death record was
quickly found. However, instead of showing the deceased to be 80 year old
Yankef Peretz, the death record claimed it was 14 year old Yisroel ben Shmul
who had died. Yisroel ben Shmul was Yankef Peretz' grandson and very much
alive. He arrived in America >from Grodno in 1904, and died tragically in
1913 in an event that was front page news in the Forward.

Presumably, the family used the occasion of the grandfather's death to kill
off the young man (on paper) and shield him >from conscription in later
years. As noted, Yisroel removed to Grodno before coming to America, and
this may have been necessary to maintain the subterfuge. What seems most
remarkable is that they were able to pull off the stratagem in such a small
shtetl. As a venerable rabbi who probably lived all his life in Rozhanka,
whose home doubled as a woolen mill that was one of the few industrial
enterprises in the shtetl,Yankef Peretz was surely one of the best known
people in town. It would seem that the action taken would have required the
knowing compliance of the witnesses as well as of the officials who recorded
the event in the separate Russian and Yiddish language portions of the
record.

Have any other Genners encountered this sort of thing in death records? It
is presumed that the recording of a false death could only be attempted when
a real death occurred. Why?

Alan Rems
Centreville, Va

Researching: Vendrovsky in Rozhanka, Lida u. and Remz/Rems in Piesk,
Wolkovysk u., Belarus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A bogus death record #general

alan rems <aprems37@...>
 

In June, an announcement was made by David Fox that Jewish vital records
from certain towns in Lida have become available >from the Mormons for
particular years. As they included 1899 death records for Rozhanka, the year
my gggrandfather Yankef Peretz Vendrovsky died in that shtetl, I hastened to
order the filmstrip. With its small Jewish population of about 550 people,
Rozhanka did not have many deaths in 1899 and a Vendrovsky death record was
quickly found. However, instead of showing the deceased to be 80 year old
Yankef Peretz, the death record claimed it was 14 year old Yisroel ben Shmul
who had died. Yisroel ben Shmul was Yankef Peretz' grandson and very much
alive. He arrived in America >from Grodno in 1904, and died tragically in
1913 in an event that was front page news in the Forward.

Presumably, the family used the occasion of the grandfather's death to kill
off the young man (on paper) and shield him >from conscription in later
years. As noted, Yisroel removed to Grodno before coming to America, and
this may have been necessary to maintain the subterfuge. What seems most
remarkable is that they were able to pull off the stratagem in such a small
shtetl. As a venerable rabbi who probably lived all his life in Rozhanka,
whose home doubled as a woolen mill that was one of the few industrial
enterprises in the shtetl,Yankef Peretz was surely one of the best known
people in town. It would seem that the action taken would have required the
knowing compliance of the witnesses as well as of the officials who recorded
the event in the separate Russian and Yiddish language portions of the
record.

Have any other Genners encountered this sort of thing in death records? It
is presumed that the recording of a false death could only be attempted when
a real death occurred. Why?

Alan Rems
Centreville, Va

Researching: Vendrovsky in Rozhanka, Lida u. and Remz/Rems in Piesk,
Wolkovysk u., Belarus