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PLUNGE, LITHUANIA RECORDS #lithuania

Howard Margol <homargol@...>
 

A note of caution when discussing PLUNGE, POLANGEN, PALANGA.
Plunge was in the Telsiai District and Palanga was in the Klaipeda
District - they were, and still are, entirely separate towns approx.
20 miles apart. Many records for both Plunge and Palanga still exist
In the Lithuanian archives. However, I would be surprised if records
for Plunge exist in the Riga archive.

Howard Margol - Email: homargol@aol.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Elaine Bush might be interested to know that the records on Plunge
have not entirely disappeared. The area was at one time in the
district of Grobin in Courland [Latvia]. The Latvian Archives in Riga
have the following records for Plunge, known in German as Polangen
and in Latvian as Palanga:

The lists of Merchants: 1895, 1900-1917

Martha Levinson Lev-Zion, Ph.D.
martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania PLUNGE, LITHUANIA RECORDS #lithuania

Howard Margol <homargol@...>
 

A note of caution when discussing PLUNGE, POLANGEN, PALANGA.
Plunge was in the Telsiai District and Palanga was in the Klaipeda
District - they were, and still are, entirely separate towns approx.
20 miles apart. Many records for both Plunge and Palanga still exist
In the Lithuanian archives. However, I would be surprised if records
for Plunge exist in the Riga archive.

Howard Margol - Email: homargol@aol.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Elaine Bush might be interested to know that the records on Plunge
have not entirely disappeared. The area was at one time in the
district of Grobin in Courland [Latvia]. The Latvian Archives in Riga
have the following records for Plunge, known in German as Polangen
and in Latvian as Palanga:

The lists of Merchants: 1895, 1900-1917

Martha Levinson Lev-Zion, Ph.D.
martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il


PARDO/PAREDO #rabbinic

lionbenjudah <lionbenjudah@...>
 

Please, can you provide me with any details on some old Sephardic
rabbis: the famous PAREDO/PARDO. I am interested in David PARDO,
my cousins Joseph PARDO, Saul PARDO born in Newport, Rhode Island,
Moshe PARDO of Alexandria, Egypt, etc.

I will be very grateful for any help you can give me!!!

Thanks again.

Regards and Shalom.

Dr. Prof. Jose Pardo, Ph.D.
Murcia, Spain


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic PARDO/PAREDO #rabbinic

lionbenjudah <lionbenjudah@...>
 

Please, can you provide me with any details on some old Sephardic
rabbis: the famous PAREDO/PARDO. I am interested in David PARDO,
my cousins Joseph PARDO, Saul PARDO born in Newport, Rhode Island,
Moshe PARDO of Alexandria, Egypt, etc.

I will be very grateful for any help you can give me!!!

Thanks again.

Regards and Shalom.

Dr. Prof. Jose Pardo, Ph.D.
Murcia, Spain


How to Confirm Original Name While Living in Belarus? #belarus

Deborah Chernin <dchernin@...>
 

Hello,

I am trying to confirm my ggfather's real name when he lived in Bobruisk. His name
in the US was ISIDOR CHERNIN (abt 1877 - 1959). Like many others, he is said to
have been "adopted" by another family (EPSTEIN adopted by CHERNIN, or vice versa)
in order to avoid conscription into the Czar's army. (Ironically, he later
enlisted anyway.) His immigration and naturalization records identify him as
ISIDOR CHERNIN. According to his headstone, his father was ISRAEL ZEV HALEVI
CHERNIN.

I have records >from Belarus/Minsk/Bobruisk (>from Natl Hist Archives of Belarus)
and have found a few ISRAEL or SROL CHERNINs and other similar entries that could
be him, but nothing definitive.

I have also searched the Belarus websites and, of course, found many, many entries
for names similar to ISIDOR or ISRAEL EPSTEIN. There are some that could be him,
but again, nothing that I can confirm.


Here are the few facts I know about him >from his years in or near Bobruisk:

1. He was a blacksmith in the Czar's army, where he lost his thumb.

2. He married Sarah KAVALEER or KAVALERCHIK in about 1896.

3. They had two children while in Russia - Benjamin (DOB 1898) and Sadie (DOB 1900)


4. BENJAMIN CHERNIN (DOB 1898) went to school while in Russia. He may have been
known as Norman.

5. ISIDOR CHERNIN came to US in 1903. Sarah and the 2 children arrived in 1905.

6. He had a sister or niece that also came to the US. Her name was FRADA YUDIN.


Some Questions:

a. At what age would he likely have been conscripted into the Army? and are there
records available of enlisted men?

b. Are school records available?

c. Any ideas for how to confirm if my ggf was ISIDOR CHERNIN or ISIDOR EPSTEIN?

d. Any suggestions for other ways I might be able to confirm his "real" name?

Your help would be greatly appreciated!! I've been stuck on this for years...
Many thanks!

Deborah Chernin
Oakland, CA
dchernin@earthlink.net

Looking for:
CHERNIN, TSHERNIN, TCHERNIN, TZERNIN, EPSTEIN, KAVALEER, KAVALERCHIK
(Belarus-Bobruisk or Minsk or ?)
SPIVAK, ROUJANSKY, RUZANSKY, BEREZA Ukraine (Pyatigore or ?)
KURCZAK Poland (Drobin)
CHAUSMER, ZAUSMER LATVIA (Riga)

PS Please contact me privately if you are interested in records I have re: CHERNIN
or KAVALERCHIK.


Belarus SIG #Belarus How to Confirm Original Name While Living in Belarus? #belarus

Deborah Chernin <dchernin@...>
 

Hello,

I am trying to confirm my ggfather's real name when he lived in Bobruisk. His name
in the US was ISIDOR CHERNIN (abt 1877 - 1959). Like many others, he is said to
have been "adopted" by another family (EPSTEIN adopted by CHERNIN, or vice versa)
in order to avoid conscription into the Czar's army. (Ironically, he later
enlisted anyway.) His immigration and naturalization records identify him as
ISIDOR CHERNIN. According to his headstone, his father was ISRAEL ZEV HALEVI
CHERNIN.

I have records >from Belarus/Minsk/Bobruisk (>from Natl Hist Archives of Belarus)
and have found a few ISRAEL or SROL CHERNINs and other similar entries that could
be him, but nothing definitive.

I have also searched the Belarus websites and, of course, found many, many entries
for names similar to ISIDOR or ISRAEL EPSTEIN. There are some that could be him,
but again, nothing that I can confirm.


Here are the few facts I know about him >from his years in or near Bobruisk:

1. He was a blacksmith in the Czar's army, where he lost his thumb.

2. He married Sarah KAVALEER or KAVALERCHIK in about 1896.

3. They had two children while in Russia - Benjamin (DOB 1898) and Sadie (DOB 1900)


4. BENJAMIN CHERNIN (DOB 1898) went to school while in Russia. He may have been
known as Norman.

5. ISIDOR CHERNIN came to US in 1903. Sarah and the 2 children arrived in 1905.

6. He had a sister or niece that also came to the US. Her name was FRADA YUDIN.


Some Questions:

a. At what age would he likely have been conscripted into the Army? and are there
records available of enlisted men?

b. Are school records available?

c. Any ideas for how to confirm if my ggf was ISIDOR CHERNIN or ISIDOR EPSTEIN?

d. Any suggestions for other ways I might be able to confirm his "real" name?

Your help would be greatly appreciated!! I've been stuck on this for years...
Many thanks!

Deborah Chernin
Oakland, CA
dchernin@earthlink.net

Looking for:
CHERNIN, TSHERNIN, TCHERNIN, TZERNIN, EPSTEIN, KAVALEER, KAVALERCHIK
(Belarus-Bobruisk or Minsk or ?)
SPIVAK, ROUJANSKY, RUZANSKY, BEREZA Ukraine (Pyatigore or ?)
KURCZAK Poland (Drobin)
CHAUSMER, ZAUSMER LATVIA (Riga)

PS Please contact me privately if you are interested in records I have re: CHERNIN
or KAVALERCHIK.


Yad Vashem and the Arolsen (resource) Files #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear Lists:

At the request of Sherry Kisos, I am forwarding this very thorough
explanation of the Yad Vashem process and this summer's online
expectations.

I do not subscribe to the main JewishGen list; would someone out
there be kind enough to forward this to them?

Many thanks.

Michelle Frager NYC metro -------------------------------

Dear Michelle,

If I remember correctly, you asked how long it takes to put a page
of testimony on the Yad Vashem database and I replied to you that I
thought it was more or less immediately.

I have had to call Yad Vashem anyway (for my own research) and
clarified several points with them.

1. The amount of time it takes them to put information on the
database is between six months to a year depending upon the work
schedule and amount of work. I have used the database myself and it
is extremely powerful.

2. The entire Yad Vashem database will be on the Internet by the
end of the summer. This database includes (will include) all the
names >from pages of testimony as well as other sources (such as the
memorial books by Sarge Klarsfeld and others).

3. The Arolsen files at the moment are not on the Yad Vashem
database. They can be found only at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem and are
on microfilm. One must go personally there to look at records.
Eventually, these files will be available to the librarian at the
Yad Vashem branch in Givatayim. It will take a long time before
these files become available on the Internet.

To summarize, the Arolsen files include names of Jews and non-Jews
who were victims of the Holocaust and the list is extremely
extensive. When one requests a search at Yad Vashem, the researcher
checks through all sources (Yad Vashem database, memorial books,
Arolsen files, etc.)

Even though I subscribe to most of the SIGs, including the
jewishgen digest, I am unable to send messages because my computer
has a Hebrew interface. It would be greatly appreciated if you
could pass this message on.

Sincerely yours,
Sherry Kisos
Petach Tikvah, Israel




__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price.
http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/


Yad Vashem and the Arolsen (resource) Files #ukraine

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

At the request of Sherry Kisos, I am forwarding this very thorough
explanation of the Yad Vashem process and this summer's online
expectations.

Many thanks.

Michelle Frager NYC metro -------------------------------


Dear Michelle,

If I remember correctly, you asked how long it takes to put a page
of testimony on the Yad Vashem database and I replied to you that I
thought it was more or less immediately.

I have had to call Yad Vashem anyway (for my own research) and
clarified several points with them.

1. The amount of time it takes them to put information on the
database is between six months to a year depending upon the work
schedule and amount of work. I have used the database myself and it
is extremely powerful.

2. The entire Yad Vashem database will be on the Internet by the
end of the summer. This database includes (will include) all the
names >from pages of testimony as well as other sources (such as the
memorial books by Sarge Klarsfeld and others).

3. The Arolsen files at the moment are not on the Yad Vashem
database. They can be found only at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem and are
on microfilm. One must go personally there to look at records.
Eventually, these files will be available to the librarian at the
Yad Vashem branch in Givatayim. It will take a long time before
these files become available on the Internet.

To summarize, the Arolsen files include names of Jews and non-Jews
who were victims of the Holocaust and the list is extremely
extensive. When one requests a search at Yad Vashem, the researcher
checks through all sources (Yad Vashem database, memorial books,
Arolsen files, etc.)

Even though I subscribe to most of the SIGs, including the
jewishgen digest, I am unable to send messages because my computer
has a Hebrew interface. It would be greatly appreciated if you
could pass this message on.

Sincerely yours,
Sherry Kisos
Petach Tikvah, Israel


Belarus SIG #Belarus Fwd: Yad Vashem and the Arolsen (resource) Files #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear Lists:

At the request of Sherry Kisos, I am forwarding this very thorough
explanation of the Yad Vashem process and this summer's online
expectations.

I do not subscribe to the main JewishGen list; would someone out
there be kind enough to forward this to them?

Many thanks.

Michelle Frager NYC metro -------------------------------

Dear Michelle,

If I remember correctly, you asked how long it takes to put a page
of testimony on the Yad Vashem database and I replied to you that I
thought it was more or less immediately.

I have had to call Yad Vashem anyway (for my own research) and
clarified several points with them.

1. The amount of time it takes them to put information on the
database is between six months to a year depending upon the work
schedule and amount of work. I have used the database myself and it
is extremely powerful.

2. The entire Yad Vashem database will be on the Internet by the
end of the summer. This database includes (will include) all the
names >from pages of testimony as well as other sources (such as the
memorial books by Sarge Klarsfeld and others).

3. The Arolsen files at the moment are not on the Yad Vashem
database. They can be found only at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem and are
on microfilm. One must go personally there to look at records.
Eventually, these files will be available to the librarian at the
Yad Vashem branch in Givatayim. It will take a long time before
these files become available on the Internet.

To summarize, the Arolsen files include names of Jews and non-Jews
who were victims of the Holocaust and the list is extremely
extensive. When one requests a search at Yad Vashem, the researcher
checks through all sources (Yad Vashem database, memorial books,
Arolsen files, etc.)

Even though I subscribe to most of the SIGs, including the
jewishgen digest, I am unable to send messages because my computer
has a Hebrew interface. It would be greatly appreciated if you
could pass this message on.

Sincerely yours,
Sherry Kisos
Petach Tikvah, Israel




__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price.
http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Fwd: Yad Vashem and the Arolsen (resource) Files #ukraine

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

At the request of Sherry Kisos, I am forwarding this very thorough
explanation of the Yad Vashem process and this summer's online
expectations.

Many thanks.

Michelle Frager NYC metro -------------------------------


Dear Michelle,

If I remember correctly, you asked how long it takes to put a page
of testimony on the Yad Vashem database and I replied to you that I
thought it was more or less immediately.

I have had to call Yad Vashem anyway (for my own research) and
clarified several points with them.

1. The amount of time it takes them to put information on the
database is between six months to a year depending upon the work
schedule and amount of work. I have used the database myself and it
is extremely powerful.

2. The entire Yad Vashem database will be on the Internet by the
end of the summer. This database includes (will include) all the
names >from pages of testimony as well as other sources (such as the
memorial books by Sarge Klarsfeld and others).

3. The Arolsen files at the moment are not on the Yad Vashem
database. They can be found only at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem and are
on microfilm. One must go personally there to look at records.
Eventually, these files will be available to the librarian at the
Yad Vashem branch in Givatayim. It will take a long time before
these files become available on the Internet.

To summarize, the Arolsen files include names of Jews and non-Jews
who were victims of the Holocaust and the list is extremely
extensive. When one requests a search at Yad Vashem, the researcher
checks through all sources (Yad Vashem database, memorial books,
Arolsen files, etc.)

Even though I subscribe to most of the SIGs, including the
jewishgen digest, I am unable to send messages because my computer
has a Hebrew interface. It would be greatly appreciated if you
could pass this message on.

Sincerely yours,
Sherry Kisos
Petach Tikvah, Israel


Re: Naming and the intention of the namer #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Although the naming thread has been pretty much worked out, I have a cute
story which is relevant to what Jerome wrote about our modern generation of
parents. At the bat mitsva of a girl named Jessica, I congratulated her
parents and remarked that they had given their daughter a beautiful Hebrew
name. I was met with incomprehension. Jessica a Hebrew name?
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerome Seligsohn [mailto:jselig1315@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:34 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Naming and the intention of the namer

We must not presume that the parents in selcting a
name for their child are students of the origin of
names. We can only surmise that they intend to give a
name for a purpose that must remain somewhat of a
mystery to posterity. We assume that some ancestor is
being honored especially if the name designators are
avowedly concerned with tradition. If the designators
are of the orthodox persuasion we can assume that they
must meet the dictates of their community and are
fairly close to the historic name. For the rest we
must conjecture that anything is permitted, even Jezebel.
Genealogically speaking we are in a minefield.

Jerome Seligsohn
NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Naming and the intention of the namer #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Although the naming thread has been pretty much worked out, I have a cute
story which is relevant to what Jerome wrote about our modern generation of
parents. At the bat mitsva of a girl named Jessica, I congratulated her
parents and remarked that they had given their daughter a beautiful Hebrew
name. I was met with incomprehension. Jessica a Hebrew name?
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerome Seligsohn [mailto:jselig1315@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:34 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Naming and the intention of the namer

We must not presume that the parents in selcting a
name for their child are students of the origin of
names. We can only surmise that they intend to give a
name for a purpose that must remain somewhat of a
mystery to posterity. We assume that some ancestor is
being honored especially if the name designators are
avowedly concerned with tradition. If the designators
are of the orthodox persuasion we can assume that they
must meet the dictates of their community and are
fairly close to the historic name. For the rest we
must conjecture that anything is permitted, even Jezebel.
Genealogically speaking we are in a minefield.

Jerome Seligsohn
NYC


Re: Yad Vashem - list of names #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

I just received this morning the "Letter of information" >from the
French Comitee for Yad Vashem, in which they say that the database of
all the names sent to Yad Vashem >from the first days of its existence
will be online next June (around 3 millions names and more within a
few months).

On the other hand, on the web site of Yad Vashem (Israel),
http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/remembrance/temp_remembrance/temp_index_remembrance_digitizing.html
it's said : "This massive database, which is continuously expanded,
will be uploaded to Yad Vashem's website towards the end of the
summer 2004 as part of the significant events being held to mark Yad
Vashem's Jubilee Year."

We'll certainly learn more about it during the 24th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy, next July.
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Yad Vashem - list of names #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

I just received this morning the "Letter of information" >from the
French Comitee for Yad Vashem, in which they say that the database of
all the names sent to Yad Vashem >from the first days of its existence
will be online next June (around 3 millions names and more within a
few months).

On the other hand, on the web site of Yad Vashem (Israel),
http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/remembrance/temp_remembrance/temp_index_remembrance_digitizing.html
it's said : "This massive database, which is continuously expanded,
will be uploaded to Yad Vashem's website towards the end of the
summer 2004 as part of the significant events being held to mark Yad
Vashem's Jubilee Year."

We'll certainly learn more about it during the 24th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy, next July.
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


Re: German Jewish Folkways - On or OFF Topic for GerSig Forum #germany

ealevygen@...
 

Dear Moderator John Lowens and GerSig,

I got Donn's letter as well by private email and and have already written back
to tell him how right on target I think his letter was.

I think that it's the perfect solution and I will be happy to help with the
summaries if needed.

Shabbat Shalom to all.

Elizabeth Levy in Israel <ealevygen@hotmail.com>

MODERATOR NOTE: Mr. Devine's message was posted earlier today 14 May 2004.
It reflects the sentiments of the several GerSig members who sent us comments
on this matter.

In the days ahead I will post a message confirming how "Folkways" messages which
do not directly relate to conventional genealogy research methods will be
handled by the GerSig Moderators.

Many thanks to Michael Bernet, Werner Frank, Elizabeth Levy, Donn Devine and
Martha Lev-Zion for your thoughtful comments. Mr. Devine's message seemed to
summarize the matter most clearly which is why only that message was posted to
the list. All of your suggestions are greatly appreciated. Please continue
to send your comments and suggestions to the GerSig Moderators at:
GerSig@aol.com John Paul Lowens NY MODERATOR 1


German SIG #Germany Re: German Jewish Folkways - On or OFF Topic for GerSig Forum #germany

ealevygen@...
 

Dear Moderator John Lowens and GerSig,

I got Donn's letter as well by private email and and have already written back
to tell him how right on target I think his letter was.

I think that it's the perfect solution and I will be happy to help with the
summaries if needed.

Shabbat Shalom to all.

Elizabeth Levy in Israel <ealevygen@hotmail.com>

MODERATOR NOTE: Mr. Devine's message was posted earlier today 14 May 2004.
It reflects the sentiments of the several GerSig members who sent us comments
on this matter.

In the days ahead I will post a message confirming how "Folkways" messages which
do not directly relate to conventional genealogy research methods will be
handled by the GerSig Moderators.

Many thanks to Michael Bernet, Werner Frank, Elizabeth Levy, Donn Devine and
Martha Lev-Zion for your thoughtful comments. Mr. Devine's message seemed to
summarize the matter most clearly which is why only that message was posted to
the list. All of your suggestions are greatly appreciated. Please continue
to send your comments and suggestions to the GerSig Moderators at:
GerSig@aol.com John Paul Lowens NY MODERATOR 1


MACLOW, MICHELOW, MACHELOW #unitedkingdom

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

I have found a new branch of the AMIEL family,
with many name changes. Some in South Africa,
Chicago, New York, Swindon & Westcliff-on-Sea!

If you know of any -please contact me.
I found this website very informative.

http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/poland/locations/m/33.html

It has lists of Polish towns with much information.

Best-Miriam Margolyes
London

searching: DISKIN, RAFFELOVITCH (RAFF) =


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom MACLOW, MICHELOW, MACHELOW #unitedkingdom

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

I have found a new branch of the AMIEL family,
with many name changes. Some in South Africa,
Chicago, New York, Swindon & Westcliff-on-Sea!

If you know of any -please contact me.
I found this website very informative.

http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/poland/locations/m/33.html

It has lists of Polish towns with much information.

Best-Miriam Margolyes
London

searching: DISKIN, RAFFELOVITCH (RAFF) =


Req for help with abbreviations #general

Benzy Shani <bshani@...>
 

Hi Group!
I am baffled by two Hebrew abbreviations, found added to the name of a
rabbi, on a portrait made of him.

1) Heh - Aleph - Vav - Dalet - Kuf
2) Yod - Zayin - Vav

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

TIA,
Benzy Shani


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Req for help with abbreviations #general

Benzy Shani <bshani@...>
 

Hi Group!
I am baffled by two Hebrew abbreviations, found added to the name of a
rabbi, on a portrait made of him.

1) Heh - Aleph - Vav - Dalet - Kuf
2) Yod - Zayin - Vav

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

TIA,
Benzy Shani