I am looking for information regarding the German ancestry of Adolph HERZ
who lived in Terra Haute, Indiana. He arrived in the US about 1866 via New
York and settled in Indiana pretty soon after his arrival. He was betrothed
to Pauline EINSTEIN before he left, and she arrived about 1870, also into
New York. They married about 1872 and had three children, two girls and a
boy by the name of Milton.

Adolph HERZ was a prominent member of the Terra Haute business and Jewish
community and there is a lot of information about his Indiana business and
philanthropic activities available. I am looking for any German connections
for either Adolph HERZ or Pauline EINSTEIN. I have reason to believe that
they came >from Baden, but have no additional data besides that.

I was unable to find any connections on the JGFF or the Family Tree of the
Jewish People.

Any assistance would be ***greaatly**** appreciated. Thank you,

Barbara Algaze Los Angeles, California Algaze@comcast.net

I am looking for information regarding the German ancestry of Adolph HERZ
who lived in Terra Haute, Indiana. He arrived in the US about 1866 via New
York and settled in Indiana pretty soon after his arrival. He was betrothed
to Pauline EINSTEIN before he left, and she arrived about 1870, also into
New York. They married about 1872 and had three children, two girls and a
boy by the name of Milton.

Adolph HERZ was a prominent member of the Terra Haute business and Jewish
community and there is a lot of information about his Indiana business and
philanthropic activities available. I am looking for any German connections
for either Adolph HERZ or Pauline EINSTEIN. I have reason to believe that
they came >from Baden, but have no additional data besides that.

I was unable to find any connections on the JGFF or the Family Tree of the
Jewish People.

Any assistance would be ***greaatly**** appreciated. Thank you,

Barbara Algaze Los Angeles, California Algaze@comcast.net

My great-grandfather's brother, Adolf DAUST, whose name was originally DAUS,
was born in about 1856, probably in Wongrowitz, Posen, Prussia (today:
Wagrowiec, Pila, Poland).

Adolf DAUST lived in St. Louis, Mo., >from 1883 through 1906, after which he
is believed to have returned to his homeland of Germany and lived in Berlin,
where he was the second president of the Wongrowitzer Landmanschaften.

During his time in St. Louis, Adolf married Henriette SACHS in St. Louis in
1884. They had two daughters, Mollie, born in about 1885, and Fannie, born
in about 1888.

For their first few years in St. Louis, Adolf had a store selling notions,
then he shifted to specializing in selling hats (in partnership with a man
named Theodore Marglous). (Adolf's brother, my great-grandfather Salo DAUST,
first appeared in St. Louis in 1895 as a dry goods store owner.)

By 1904, Adolph had move up in the world as he became the vice president of
the Washington National Bank in St. Louis, a position he held until 1905.

In that year, according to a ship's manifest on the Ellis Island
Foundation's database, Adolf and his wife and daughters returned >from a
visit to Europe. Adolf is listed as a U.S. citizen and "retired merchant"
whose "last permanent residence" is listed as Wongrowitz and whose "final
destination" is St. Louis, Mo.

If in 1906 he returned to Germany for good, I would like to find out if
anyone knows what became of his two daughters and whether they have any
living descendants. Did they go with him and his wife back to Germany or did
they stay in St. Louis or elsewhere in the U.S.? Mollie DAUST would have
been age 21 in 1906 and Fannie DAUST would have been age 18.

Martin Fischer Oak Park, Illinois

Surnames researching in St. Louis include: FISCHER, DAUST, GELHORN, KOBER,
ROMANSKY, SLUPSKY, WEISSKOPF The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/

My great-grandfather's brother, Adolf DAUST, whose name was originally DAUS,
was born in about 1856, probably in Wongrowitz, Posen, Prussia (today:
Wagrowiec, Pila, Poland).

Adolf DAUST lived in St. Louis, Mo., >from 1883 through 1906, after which he
is believed to have returned to his homeland of Germany and lived in Berlin,
where he was the second president of the Wongrowitzer Landmanschaften.

During his time in St. Louis, Adolf married Henriette SACHS in St. Louis in
1884. They had two daughters, Mollie, born in about 1885, and Fannie, born
in about 1888.

For their first few years in St. Louis, Adolf had a store selling notions,
then he shifted to specializing in selling hats (in partnership with a man
named Theodore Marglous). (Adolf's brother, my great-grandfather Salo DAUST,
first appeared in St. Louis in 1895 as a dry goods store owner.)

By 1904, Adolph had move up in the world as he became the vice president of
the Washington National Bank in St. Louis, a position he held until 1905.

In that year, according to a ship's manifest on the Ellis Island
Foundation's database, Adolf and his wife and daughters returned >from a
visit to Europe. Adolf is listed as a U.S. citizen and "retired merchant"
whose "last permanent residence" is listed as Wongrowitz and whose "final
destination" is St. Louis, Mo.

If in 1906 he returned to Germany for good, I would like to find out if
anyone knows what became of his two daughters and whether they have any
living descendants. Did they go with him and his wife back to Germany or did
they stay in St. Louis or elsewhere in the U.S.? Mollie DAUST would have
been age 21 in 1906 and Fannie DAUST would have been age 18.

Martin Fischer Oak Park, Illinois

Surnames researching in St. Louis include: FISCHER, DAUST, GELHORN, KOBER,
ROMANSKY, SLUPSKY, WEISSKOPF The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/

Dear fellow Ciechanowers,

Who in our group who has visited Ciechanow? Perhaps you might be willing to
share with the rest of us your experiences there, what you saw, what reamins of
the Ciechanow of old etc.

Stan Zeidenberg
Toronto, Canada
Co-Ordinator, Ciechanow Research Group
______________________________________________________
FIRSTPORT
"A handy selection of reference links"
http://www.firstport.com/

Dear fellow Ciechanowers,

Who in our group who has visited Ciechanow? Perhaps you might be willing to
share with the rest of us your experiences there, what you saw, what reamins of
the Ciechanow of old etc.

Stan Zeidenberg
Toronto, Canada
Co-Ordinator, Ciechanow Research Group
______________________________________________________
FIRSTPORT
"A handy selection of reference links"
http://www.firstport.com/

Hello GERSIG Genners,
I just joined the group after the fabulous 24. IAJGS in July 2004 in
Jerusalem. I have been doing genealogy research as of 1976. I consider
myself to be a novice in doing German Genealogy research; there
are some connections, though.

I live in Vienna, Austria, my native language is German; I also know English and
a little Hebrew. I consider myself a intermediate in using a computer, but my
experience in using the Internet is limited.

I do have a Family Tree as of 1640, which I recently managed to update and
distribute. At the IAJGS Conference I learned that I have only sratched the
surface.

The KARPLUS Family lived in Hotzenplotz (Osoblaha). At least one branch of our
family may have originated in Spain ( Amsterdam). And we are sure about a Polish
and a Galician background. So I also joined BOHMOR SIG and GESHGAL.

My primary goal is to find out about all possible relations to similar surnames
like KARPELES, KARPLIS a.o. & MAKAW, MAKOFF, etc...
Besides Hotzenplotz I have no idea about towns and do not know
where to start. The Family Finder does not meet my needs.

Hermann David Karplus HermannKarplus@COMPUSERVE.COM VIENNA - Austria

Hello GERSIG Genners,
I just joined the group after the fabulous 24. IAJGS in July 2004 in
Jerusalem. I have been doing genealogy research as of 1976. I consider
myself to be a novice in doing German Genealogy research; there
are some connections, though.

I live in Vienna, Austria, my native language is German; I also know English and
a little Hebrew. I consider myself a intermediate in using a computer, but my
experience in using the Internet is limited.

I do have a Family Tree as of 1640, which I recently managed to update and
distribute. At the IAJGS Conference I learned that I have only sratched the
surface.

The KARPLUS Family lived in Hotzenplotz (Osoblaha). At least one branch of our
family may have originated in Spain ( Amsterdam). And we are sure about a Polish
and a Galician background. So I also joined BOHMOR SIG and GESHGAL.

My primary goal is to find out about all possible relations to similar surnames
like KARPELES, KARPLIS a.o. & MAKAW, MAKOFF, etc...
Besides Hotzenplotz I have no idea about towns and do not know
where to start. The Family Finder does not meet my needs.

Hermann David Karplus HermannKarplus@COMPUSERVE.COM VIENNA - Austria

Dear Stan:
What about Domitila ?
Mario Schteinman
marly@infovia.com.ar
Neuquen ( ARGENTINA )
Searching: SZTEJNMAN / SZTEINMAN / STEINMAN ( Brest, Belarus, Chicago and
Detroit, USA ), DUNAJEWSKY / DUNAIEWSKY ( Krivoy Rog, Ukraine )

MODERATOR NOTE: Please do not include the entire previous message in your reply.

Dear Stan:
What about Domitila ?
Mario Schteinman
marly@infovia.com.ar
Neuquen ( ARGENTINA )
Searching: SZTEJNMAN / SZTEINMAN / STEINMAN ( Brest, Belarus, Chicago and
Detroit, USA ), DUNAJEWSKY / DUNAIEWSKY ( Krivoy Rog, Ukraine )

MODERATOR NOTE: Please do not include the entire previous message in your reply.

joanparker@intergate.com (Joan Parker) wrote in
news:004901c4862b$83b046e0$18f0e8c7@intergate.com:

Oh what a funny memory this brought back. When my husband and I
bought our house in 1949 the "New Mode" trend was brick walls and open
wood beams ceilings. Very chic at that time.

When my mother-in-law came to see it for the first time right after we
moved in (and we were the first owners as the house was being built in
the new sub-division) she walked around, looked and looked and then
called me aside.

"Joanie," she quietly asked...."did the builders run out of money?"
When I asked why she thought that, she explained that that was how the
houses of the poor people in Russia were built....brick walls and
beamed ceilings.

And the kind of bread poor people in Russia ate is now expensive and hard
to find. My mother's father called Russian pumpernickel "soldier bread"
because soldiers would gladly trade it for just about anything else.

--
Dan Goodman

joanparker@intergate.com (Joan Parker) wrote in
news:004901c4862b$83b046e0$18f0e8c7@intergate.com:

Oh what a funny memory this brought back. When my husband and I
bought our house in 1949 the "New Mode" trend was brick walls and open
wood beams ceilings. Very chic at that time.

When my mother-in-law came to see it for the first time right after we
moved in (and we were the first owners as the house was being built in
the new sub-division) she walked around, looked and looked and then
called me aside.

"Joanie," she quietly asked...."did the builders run out of money?"
When I asked why she thought that, she explained that that was how the
houses of the poor people in Russia were built....brick walls and
beamed ceilings.

And the kind of bread poor people in Russia ate is now expensive and hard
to find. My mother's father called Russian pumpernickel "soldier bread"
because soldiers would gladly trade it for just about anything else.

--
Dan Goodman

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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:00:15 UTC, sfinkels2@juno.com (Stanley Finkelstein)
opined:

Regarding finding of a grave in Israel, I would contact the Chevrah
Kedushah in Jerusalem who may be able to help. I have a telephone number
for them but I'm not sure of the prefix. The number is 972-2-538-4144.
There is also available a burial record for everyone buried on the Mount
of Olives >from 1760-1906. This is probably not a good source for you
since your relative died after that date.

--snip--

The message above seems to imply that the Jerusalem H.evra Kadisha has
records for all Israel, which is not true. To be even more complete, there
are at least two such organizations in Jerusalem, one for Ashkenazim, the
other for Sfaradim -- again, for Jerusalem only. This is definitely the way
to go, if you know in which town your aunt lived/died, but it is crucial to
know that much, or to apply seperately to the organization in each candidate
town.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com
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there.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:00:15 UTC, sfinkels2@juno.com (Stanley Finkelstein)
opined:

Regarding finding of a grave in Israel, I would contact the Chevrah
Kedushah in Jerusalem who may be able to help. I have a telephone number
for them but I'm not sure of the prefix. The number is 972-2-538-4144.
There is also available a burial record for everyone buried on the Mount
of Olives >from 1760-1906. This is probably not a good source for you
since your relative died after that date.

--snip--

The message above seems to imply that the Jerusalem H.evra Kadisha has
records for all Israel, which is not true. To be even more complete, there
are at least two such organizations in Jerusalem, one for Ashkenazim, the
other for Sfaradim -- again, for Jerusalem only. This is definitely the way
to go, if you know in which town your aunt lived/died, but it is crucial to
know that much, or to apply seperately to the organization in each candidate
town.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com
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not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
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there.

Finding a grave in Israel can be a bureaucratic nightmare. My grandson is
trying to find the grave of his paternal great-great-grandfather who died in
1952. Death certificates give place of death, but not place buried. No one
in the immediate family seems to know, since there was some quarreling in
the distant past. One person said Gedera. The man in charge of the Gedera
cemetery told us that the books were a mess and some information totally
lacking when he took over a few years ago. It was impossible to get through
to the hevra kadisha of neighboring towns. Since my grandson is a persistent
sabra, we hope that he will finally find the grave!
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

Finding a grave in Israel can be a bureaucratic nightmare. My grandson is
trying to find the grave of his paternal great-great-grandfather who died in
1952. Death certificates give place of death, but not place buried. No one
in the immediate family seems to know, since there was some quarreling in
the distant past. One person said Gedera. The man in charge of the Gedera
cemetery told us that the books were a mess and some information totally
lacking when he took over a few years ago. It was impossible to get through
to the hevra kadisha of neighboring towns. Since my grandson is a persistent
sabra, we hope that he will finally find the grave!
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:55:14 UTC, ldashman@bestweb.net (Lisa Dashman)
opined:

Dear Genners,
I am searching for the grave of Sara GANZER, wife of Louis GANZER and daughter
of Itsko Mayer GISSER. She emigrated to Israel probably at the beginning of
the 20th century. She probably was born in Lunna, Russia, in the early 1870s.

This woman, a daughter of my ggggf, "gave" her last living child, Fanny, to
her sister and brother-in-law who were moving to America. The family story
is that Sara & Louis were told that the child would have a better chance of
surviving if she lived in America. Fanny moved to New York with her aunt and
uncle when she was about 4 years old, and did indeed live a full life.

I would like to know where Sara & Louis are buried. If anyone can help with
locating their graves, or explaining how I can do that, I will be very grateful.
Many thanks in advance.

Best wishes,
Lisa Dashman
Croton-on-Hudson, NY

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen InfoFiles contain a wealth of data including
information about cemeteries in Israel please see:
http://www2.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/il-burial_records.htm

If you know where your relative lived, you are much better advised to write
to the H.evra Kadisha in that town. The records of those organizations in
the main cities are well organized and computerized. In the case of queries
I have made to the Jerusalem H.evra Kadisha by telephone, the helpful
operator told me what I wanted to know about a pre-state death while the
conversation was continuing, and sent me the full paper file by mail. These
files may include not only the location of the burial plot, but also the
exact place of death, address of last residence, and the cause of death.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:55:14 UTC, ldashman@bestweb.net (Lisa Dashman)
opined:

Dear Genners,
I am searching for the grave of Sara GANZER, wife of Louis GANZER and daughter
of Itsko Mayer GISSER. She emigrated to Israel probably at the beginning of
the 20th century. She probably was born in Lunna, Russia, in the early 1870s.

This woman, a daughter of my ggggf, "gave" her last living child, Fanny, to
her sister and brother-in-law who were moving to America. The family story
is that Sara & Louis were told that the child would have a better chance of
surviving if she lived in America. Fanny moved to New York with her aunt and
uncle when she was about 4 years old, and did indeed live a full life.

I would like to know where Sara & Louis are buried. If anyone can help with
locating their graves, or explaining how I can do that, I will be very grateful.
Many thanks in advance.

Best wishes,
Lisa Dashman
Croton-on-Hudson, NY

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen InfoFiles contain a wealth of data including
information about cemeteries in Israel please see:
http://www2.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/il-burial_records.htm

If you know where your relative lived, you are much better advised to write
to the H.evra Kadisha in that town. The records of those organizations in
the main cities are well organized and computerized. In the case of queries
I have made to the Jerusalem H.evra Kadisha by telephone, the helpful
operator told me what I wanted to know about a pre-state death while the
conversation was continuing, and sent me the full paper file by mail. These
files may include not only the location of the burial plot, but also the
exact place of death, address of last residence, and the cause of death.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com
For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.