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New Book: Human Geographies Within the Pale of Settlement: Order and Disorder During the Eighteenth and Nineteenth Centuries #general

Robert Mitchell <romitch30@...>
 

Along with many fellow Jewish genealogists I moved >from family trees
and individual Memorial books to how our ancestors in very different
parts of the Pale of Settlement responded to their life opportunities
and threats during the nineteenth century. Macmillan Palgrave just
released the multi-disciplinary textbook Human Geographies Within the
Pale of Settlement: Order and Disorder During the Eighteenth and
Nineteenth Centuries. The book's major themes, as well as summaries of
the nine individual chapters, are available online at
http://robertmitchell.net .

Robert Mitchell
Brookline, MA

MODERATOR NOTE: This is a one-time mention of a commercially available book of
interest to JewishGen Discussion Group participants.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New Book: Human Geographies Within the Pale of Settlement: Order and Disorder During the Eighteenth and Nineteenth Centuries #general

Robert Mitchell <romitch30@...>
 

Along with many fellow Jewish genealogists I moved >from family trees
and individual Memorial books to how our ancestors in very different
parts of the Pale of Settlement responded to their life opportunities
and threats during the nineteenth century. Macmillan Palgrave just
released the multi-disciplinary textbook Human Geographies Within the
Pale of Settlement: Order and Disorder During the Eighteenth and
Nineteenth Centuries. The book's major themes, as well as summaries of
the nine individual chapters, are available online at
http://robertmitchell.net .

Robert Mitchell
Brookline, MA

MODERATOR NOTE: This is a one-time mention of a commercially available book of
interest to JewishGen Discussion Group participants.


Easy to decipher (typed, not handwritten) Hebrew/Yiddish/Aramaic reading request #galicia

Stephen Weinstein
 

Unusual marriage record that is part in English and part in Hebrew
letters, but not Hebrew (variously identified as Yiddish or Aramaic
depending on whom I ask.)

Bride is half Galician and half >from Krasnik. Groom is Latvian.

1. The English says that the date was in Teveth. The Hebrew/Yiddish
says the date was in Kislev. This is apparently a mistake. The English
secular ("December") date is consistent with the Italiangen.org
database of NYC marriages indexes and with the Teveth date and with
the day of the week. It is not consistent with the Kislev data. So it
would seem that Kislev is wrong.

2. The word gimel-aleph-lamed-daled-hey is Golda, which was the
bride's name. However, it is not the normal Hebrew spelling (which
has a vav instead of an aleph). It may be Yiddish or Aramaic.

3. Is this a "Ketubah" or is that a separate document that we haven't
found? Isn't a Ketubah supposed to be more like a prenup: >from before
the ceremony, not after; and with details about what money is to be
paid in the event of divorce?

4. The groom's name is shown as Menachem Mendel bar (son of)
Eliezer. If shown, what are the groom's parents' full Hebrew names
(including their fathers' names)?

5. What is the remainder of the text filled in the blanks in
Yiddish/Hebrew/Aramaic? (I don't care as much about the pre-printed
text, and I can read the English text.)

Displayed on the ViewMate Image Gallery page with the number 70655.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70655

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page or
by e-mail. Thank you very much.

Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, CA, USA
stephenweinstein@yahoo.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Easy to decipher (typed, not handwritten) Hebrew/Yiddish/Aramaic reading request #galicia

Stephen Weinstein
 

Unusual marriage record that is part in English and part in Hebrew
letters, but not Hebrew (variously identified as Yiddish or Aramaic
depending on whom I ask.)

Bride is half Galician and half >from Krasnik. Groom is Latvian.

1. The English says that the date was in Teveth. The Hebrew/Yiddish
says the date was in Kislev. This is apparently a mistake. The English
secular ("December") date is consistent with the Italiangen.org
database of NYC marriages indexes and with the Teveth date and with
the day of the week. It is not consistent with the Kislev data. So it
would seem that Kislev is wrong.

2. The word gimel-aleph-lamed-daled-hey is Golda, which was the
bride's name. However, it is not the normal Hebrew spelling (which
has a vav instead of an aleph). It may be Yiddish or Aramaic.

3. Is this a "Ketubah" or is that a separate document that we haven't
found? Isn't a Ketubah supposed to be more like a prenup: >from before
the ceremony, not after; and with details about what money is to be
paid in the event of divorce?

4. The groom's name is shown as Menachem Mendel bar (son of)
Eliezer. If shown, what are the groom's parents' full Hebrew names
(including their fathers' names)?

5. What is the remainder of the text filled in the blanks in
Yiddish/Hebrew/Aramaic? (I don't care as much about the pre-printed
text, and I can read the English text.)

Displayed on the ViewMate Image Gallery page with the number 70655.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70655

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page or
by e-mail. Thank you very much.

Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, CA, USA
stephenweinstein@yahoo.com


Re: Identify birthplace "Werche Volimer Gov"? #general

Vladimir
 

Igor,

David Brostoff spells "Verhov" and he also spells "Werche". But I
think that Werche may be another transliteration/spelling of the same
village.

As for the village "Verhov" in Russia Empire it belonged to Khorov
volost (area), Ostrog uyezd (district), Volin gubernia (region)

Vladimir Kreshchyshyn
Kherson, Ukraine

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 7:07 PM Igor Myroslav Holyboroda
iholybor@polynet.lviv.ua <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

Dear colleagues!
In his message of Sat, 15 Dec 2018 David Brostoff wrote:
"I am trying to identify the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca=
.
1885-1906).
Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav).
Gov seems be an abbreviation for gubernia but I can't find anything close=
to
Volimer in the list of Russian governates here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governorates_of_the_Russian_Empire=

Her naturalization petition gives Verhov, Rus., which I assume is the Wer=
che
above, although I cannot locate it using the JewishGen Gazetteer, etc.
Other documents give only Russia."

I think "Werche Volimer Gov" should be Cherche village in the Volyn
(represented in the document as "Volimer") gubernia of the Russian
empire.
Regards,
Igor Holyboroda,
Lviv, Ukraine.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Identify birthplace "Werche Volimer Gov"? #ukraine

Vladimir
 

Igor,

David Brostoff spells "Verhov" and he also spells "Werche". But I
think that Werche may be another transliteration/spelling of the same
village.

As for the village "Verhov" in Russia Empire it belonged to Khorov
volost (area), Ostrog uyezd (district), Volin gubernia (region)

Vladimir Kreshchyshyn
Kherson, Ukraine

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 7:07 PM Igor Myroslav Holyboroda
iholybor@polynet.lviv.ua <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

Dear colleagues!
In his message of Sat, 15 Dec 2018 David Brostoff wrote:
"I am trying to identify the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca=
.
1885-1906).
Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav).
Gov seems be an abbreviation for gubernia but I can't find anything close=
to
Volimer in the list of Russian governates here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governorates_of_the_Russian_Empire=

Her naturalization petition gives Verhov, Rus., which I assume is the Wer=
che
above, although I cannot locate it using the JewishGen Gazetteer, etc.
Other documents give only Russia."

I think "Werche Volimer Gov" should be Cherche village in the Volyn
(represented in the document as "Volimer") gubernia of the Russian
empire.
Regards,
Igor Holyboroda,
Lviv, Ukraine.


1848 Census for Poszony #hungary

ew4147@...
 

Does anyone know if there is anywhere I can view the 1848 Hungarian
Jewish census for the Poszony county?
familysearch.org does not have it, it is only available at the
Hangarian National archivhes.
here on Jewishgen.org it is still in progress and my grandparents are
still missing,

I. Weber


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1848 Census for Poszony #hungary

ew4147@...
 

Does anyone know if there is anywhere I can view the 1848 Hungarian
Jewish census for the Poszony county?
familysearch.org does not have it, it is only available at the
Hangarian National archivhes.
here on Jewishgen.org it is still in progress and my grandparents are
still missing,

I. Weber


Re: Two sons with same Hebrew name? #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

"the Sephardim call the living after the living".

In response to this, and the 'examples like it' posted today:

The Sephardim (and western European Ashkenazi) name their babies after the
grandparents and other relatives: first son after the father's father, second
son after the mother's father, first daughter after the father's mother...

They don't name the babies after each other, and if the grandfathers' names
were the same, I have never seen two named the same.

But the two names in question are not the same. One is a double name, and one
isn't.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Two sons with same Hebrew name? #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

"the Sephardim call the living after the living".

In response to this, and the 'examples like it' posted today:

The Sephardim (and western European Ashkenazi) name their babies after the
grandparents and other relatives: first son after the father's father, second
son after the mother's father, first daughter after the father's mother...

They don't name the babies after each other, and if the grandfathers' names
were the same, I have never seen two named the same.

But the two names in question are not the same. One is a double name, and one
isn't.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Re: Two sons with same Hebrew name? #general

Eva Lawrence
 

In response to posts >from Jeremy Schumann and Ralph Baer, I'd like to
mention that it's particularly in the course of Napoleonic name-taking
that I've found traditional Jewish naming customs disrupted - sons with
the same (official) given name as a living father in my case. I believe
that it was the result of a clash between French given-name customs and
the local Jewish ones. People would still use the familiar Jewish given
name in their everyday speech, but had to submit to taking an official
name acceptable to the French bureaucracy, and that would be the one
usually appearing in the civil records.

In Jeremy Schumann's case, he hasn't mentioned dates or places, so
that may not be what occurred. Since there was a space of 25 years
between the two births, isn't it possible that contact had been lost and
that the father, too thought that the elder son had died, or perhaps
there had been an angry family rift? Is Jeremy even sure that the
father was aware of the existence of the first son or, at least, of his
paternity? Any number of social situations might have resulted in this
anomaly.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Two sons with same Hebrew name? #general

Eva Lawrence
 

In response to posts >from Jeremy Schumann and Ralph Baer, I'd like to
mention that it's particularly in the course of Napoleonic name-taking
that I've found traditional Jewish naming customs disrupted - sons with
the same (official) given name as a living father in my case. I believe
that it was the result of a clash between French given-name customs and
the local Jewish ones. People would still use the familiar Jewish given
name in their everyday speech, but had to submit to taking an official
name acceptable to the French bureaucracy, and that would be the one
usually appearing in the civil records.

In Jeremy Schumann's case, he hasn't mentioned dates or places, so
that may not be what occurred. Since there was a space of 25 years
between the two births, isn't it possible that contact had been lost and
that the father, too thought that the elder son had died, or perhaps
there had been an angry family rift? Is Jeremy even sure that the
father was aware of the existence of the first son or, at least, of his
paternity? Any number of social situations might have resulted in this
anomaly.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Rabbi Aryeh Carmi of Madison WI #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

Trying to make contact with the family of Rabbi Carmi who was
originally surnamed Brandwein of the famous Jerusalem family a
Chassidic Dynasty.
He was the son of Rabbi Joseph Carmi

--
Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Mahari Weil ztl #rabbinic

Bernard Weill
 

Looking to touch base with someone very familiar with the Mahari Weil
and his writings.

Thank you

Bezalel Weill


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi Aryeh Carmi of Madison WI #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

Trying to make contact with the family of Rabbi Carmi who was
originally surnamed Brandwein of the famous Jerusalem family a
Chassidic Dynasty.
He was the son of Rabbi Joseph Carmi

--
Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Mahari Weil ztl #rabbinic

Bernard Weill
 

Looking to touch base with someone very familiar with the Mahari Weil
and his writings.

Thank you

Bezalel Weill


(UK) BBC Genome and Radio Times #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The British Broadcasting Company (BBC) placed the Radio Times >from the 1940s
online. Additionally, the BBC Genome website had added listening to or
watching historic broadcasts >from 1923-2009 see:
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/ . Here you can search for BBC programs, people,
dates and Radio Times editions. There are more than 5 million program
listings in Genome, remembering it reflects the attitudes and standards of
when the program was first aired which may be different than those of today.
There is an ongoing project to link the program listings to the relevant
recording thus far only 18,000 programs have been linked. To read more about
this see: https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-46465871

The BBC Archive includes a lot of World War ll materials. One is from
Witnessing the Holocaust, personal accounts of persecution and genocide by
the Nazis. >from April 1, 1945 a reporter provides a firsthand account
Buchenwald Concentration Camp To hear the interview you need to run the
adobe flash that they provide. See:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/holocaust/5107.shtml

There are more broadcasts >from the Holocaust with links on the right side of
the above archival recording.

Thank you to Peter Calver, LostCousins Newsletter for informing us of this
new feature of the BBC.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (UK) BBC Genome and Radio Times #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The British Broadcasting Company (BBC) placed the Radio Times >from the 1940s
online. Additionally, the BBC Genome website had added listening to or
watching historic broadcasts >from 1923-2009 see:
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/ . Here you can search for BBC programs, people,
dates and Radio Times editions. There are more than 5 million program
listings in Genome, remembering it reflects the attitudes and standards of
when the program was first aired which may be different than those of today.
There is an ongoing project to link the program listings to the relevant
recording thus far only 18,000 programs have been linked. To read more about
this see: https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-46465871

The BBC Archive includes a lot of World War ll materials. One is from
Witnessing the Holocaust, personal accounts of persecution and genocide by
the Nazis. >from April 1, 1945 a reporter provides a firsthand account
Buchenwald Concentration Camp To hear the interview you need to run the
adobe flash that they provide. See:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/holocaust/5107.shtml

There are more broadcasts >from the Holocaust with links on the right side of
the above archival recording.

Thank you to Peter Calver, LostCousins Newsletter for informing us of this
new feature of the BBC.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Searching: ADLER/PINCHANSKI/CHEPLOVOTSKY from Baranovichi #belarus

Les
 

My family on my father's mother's side came >from the town of
Baranovichi - today Belarus but then Poland
Her maiden name was Pinchanski - she was one of 8 children, 4 of whom survived
the war - she married my grandfather whose name was Adler ( we believe may
have been changed )and have no information on his side
They immigrated to South Africa just before the war
I am also trying to find out more about my grandmother's mother's
family ( name of Cheplovotsky) who was the eldest of 14 children.
We know of only 2 other siblings of those 14 and am hoping to find out more
about the unknown siblings.
Any information on the Adler/Pinchanski/Cheplovotsky families would be
appreciated
Thank you
Leslie Adler

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family information should be sent privately


Belarus SIG #Belarus Searching: ADLER/PINCHANSKI/CHEPLOVOTSKY from Baranovichi #belarus

Les
 

My family on my father's mother's side came >from the town of
Baranovichi - today Belarus but then Poland
Her maiden name was Pinchanski - she was one of 8 children, 4 of whom survived
the war - she married my grandfather whose name was Adler ( we believe may
have been changed )and have no information on his side
They immigrated to South Africa just before the war
I am also trying to find out more about my grandmother's mother's
family ( name of Cheplovotsky) who was the eldest of 14 children.
We know of only 2 other siblings of those 14 and am hoping to find out more
about the unknown siblings.
Any information on the Adler/Pinchanski/Cheplovotsky families would be
appreciated
Thank you
Leslie Adler

MODERATOR NOTE: General information may be posted to the list. Specific
family information should be sent privately

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