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1901 Census question and information #unitedkingdom

Daniel S. Katz
 

Hi,

I'm having quite a problem locating a family in the 1901 census, and
was looking for ideas. The two members of the family I am certain
were in England were:
Sarah Himmelspring, age 56 and her son Israel, age 24, both born in
Rovno. Their father, Jacob/Yankel, is listed inone of the 1895 death
indices (thought with the last name Himelspring with a bar over the
m).

They are not under Himmelspring, Himelspring, Himmel(anything),
Himel(anything), H(any vowel)(anything)spring, or
Hi(anything)m(anything)l(anything). I also looked for any male
Israel of age 24 +/- 5 born in Russia or Poland, and any female Sarah
of age 56 +/- 10 born in Russia or Poland without success.

Any ideas?


Also, I purchased three census pages which were not of use to me, and
which I would be happy to send anyone who might want them. The
families on these pages are:

St. George in the East Parish
48 Christian Street
Solkovitch (>from Poland):
Lewis (head) 43
Esther (wife) 30
Minnie (daughter) 14
Jessie (daughter) 12
Sarah (daughter) 4
Lewis Shallen (boarder) 30
Nick Isaacs (boarder) 27
Lobman (>from Romania):
Judah (head) 40
Leah (wife) 26
Mina (daughter) 3
Solomon (son) 2
Kurz (>from Russia):
Marko (head) 44
Deborah (wife) 44
Barnet (son) 14
Isaac (son) 16
Jack (son) 8
Rachel (daughter) 10
Stern (>from Poland):
Isaac (head) 24
Rozler (wife) 24
Sasha (daughter) 2
Macha (daughter) 6 mon
36 Christian Street
Kozminski (>from Poland):
Morris (head) 36
Rebecca (wife) 34
Irael (son) 12
Bessie (daughter) 10
Lewis Rosenberg (f-in-law) 67

St. George in the East Parish
St. George Tower Hamlets
1 St. George Buildings
Tilkof (>from Poland):
Abraham (head) 42
Broche (wife) 30
Leah (daughter) 11
Blume (daughter) 8
Woolf (son) 5
Morris (son) 3
Simon Rosenthal (boarder) 21
Cohen (>from Russia):
Joseph (head) 51
Annie (wife) 46
Polly (daughter) 21
Sarah (dauther) 19
Etta (daughter) 17
Mary (daughter) 15
Myer (son) 13
Gedolia (son) 11
Israel Bisrollny (boarder) 35
Hyman Bisrollny (boarder) 33
Bermann (>from Russia):
Samuel (head) 22
Clara (wife) 19
Milly (daughter) 1
Joseph Sherfero (boarder) 26
Solly Sherfaro (boarder) 24
2 St. George Buildings
Vilonski (>from Russia):
Judah (head) 21
Polly (wife) 25
Rebecca (daughter) 3 mon
Ada Goldfarb (visitor) 28
Lewis Goldfarb (visitor) 7
Rachael Goldfarb (visitor) 15
Rosnick (>from Russia):
Marks (head) 34
Mary (wife) 35
Jane (daughter) 12

Mile End New Town Parish
69 Gt. Garden St.
Brill (>from Russia):
David (head) 68
Brindel (wife) 68
Esther Nudelman (grand-daughter) 13
Russ (>from Russia):
Joseph (head) 24
Sophia (wife) 23
67 Gt. Garden St.
Jacobowinkle (>from Poland):
Isaac (head) 45
Leah (wife) 43
Saul (son) 21
Davis (son) 19
Esther (daughter) 17
Jacob (son) 14
Zimberick (>from Poland):
Isaac (head) 56
Frida (wife) 30
Abraham (son) 13
Rachel (daughter) 2 mon
Cohen (>from Russia):
Sarah (head) 52
Leah (daughter) 19
Harris (son) 17
Jacob (son) 15
Rachel (daughter) 11
Annie Goldstein (boarder) 20
Jacobs (>from Germany):
Rosa (head) 32
Jane (daughter) 8
Hyman (son) 6
65 Gt. Garden St.
Levy (>from Russia):
Barnett (head) 35
Fanny (wife) 35
Davis (son) 12
Sarah (daughter) 11
Isaac (son) 8
Annie (daughter) 6

--
Dan Katz (d.katz@ieee.org) Pasadena, CA


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom 1901 Census question and information #unitedkingdom

Daniel S. Katz
 

Hi,

I'm having quite a problem locating a family in the 1901 census, and
was looking for ideas. The two members of the family I am certain
were in England were:
Sarah Himmelspring, age 56 and her son Israel, age 24, both born in
Rovno. Their father, Jacob/Yankel, is listed inone of the 1895 death
indices (thought with the last name Himelspring with a bar over the
m).

They are not under Himmelspring, Himelspring, Himmel(anything),
Himel(anything), H(any vowel)(anything)spring, or
Hi(anything)m(anything)l(anything). I also looked for any male
Israel of age 24 +/- 5 born in Russia or Poland, and any female Sarah
of age 56 +/- 10 born in Russia or Poland without success.

Any ideas?


Also, I purchased three census pages which were not of use to me, and
which I would be happy to send anyone who might want them. The
families on these pages are:

St. George in the East Parish
48 Christian Street
Solkovitch (>from Poland):
Lewis (head) 43
Esther (wife) 30
Minnie (daughter) 14
Jessie (daughter) 12
Sarah (daughter) 4
Lewis Shallen (boarder) 30
Nick Isaacs (boarder) 27
Lobman (>from Romania):
Judah (head) 40
Leah (wife) 26
Mina (daughter) 3
Solomon (son) 2
Kurz (>from Russia):
Marko (head) 44
Deborah (wife) 44
Barnet (son) 14
Isaac (son) 16
Jack (son) 8
Rachel (daughter) 10
Stern (>from Poland):
Isaac (head) 24
Rozler (wife) 24
Sasha (daughter) 2
Macha (daughter) 6 mon
36 Christian Street
Kozminski (>from Poland):
Morris (head) 36
Rebecca (wife) 34
Irael (son) 12
Bessie (daughter) 10
Lewis Rosenberg (f-in-law) 67

St. George in the East Parish
St. George Tower Hamlets
1 St. George Buildings
Tilkof (>from Poland):
Abraham (head) 42
Broche (wife) 30
Leah (daughter) 11
Blume (daughter) 8
Woolf (son) 5
Morris (son) 3
Simon Rosenthal (boarder) 21
Cohen (>from Russia):
Joseph (head) 51
Annie (wife) 46
Polly (daughter) 21
Sarah (dauther) 19
Etta (daughter) 17
Mary (daughter) 15
Myer (son) 13
Gedolia (son) 11
Israel Bisrollny (boarder) 35
Hyman Bisrollny (boarder) 33
Bermann (>from Russia):
Samuel (head) 22
Clara (wife) 19
Milly (daughter) 1
Joseph Sherfero (boarder) 26
Solly Sherfaro (boarder) 24
2 St. George Buildings
Vilonski (>from Russia):
Judah (head) 21
Polly (wife) 25
Rebecca (daughter) 3 mon
Ada Goldfarb (visitor) 28
Lewis Goldfarb (visitor) 7
Rachael Goldfarb (visitor) 15
Rosnick (>from Russia):
Marks (head) 34
Mary (wife) 35
Jane (daughter) 12

Mile End New Town Parish
69 Gt. Garden St.
Brill (>from Russia):
David (head) 68
Brindel (wife) 68
Esther Nudelman (grand-daughter) 13
Russ (>from Russia):
Joseph (head) 24
Sophia (wife) 23
67 Gt. Garden St.
Jacobowinkle (>from Poland):
Isaac (head) 45
Leah (wife) 43
Saul (son) 21
Davis (son) 19
Esther (daughter) 17
Jacob (son) 14
Zimberick (>from Poland):
Isaac (head) 56
Frida (wife) 30
Abraham (son) 13
Rachel (daughter) 2 mon
Cohen (>from Russia):
Sarah (head) 52
Leah (daughter) 19
Harris (son) 17
Jacob (son) 15
Rachel (daughter) 11
Annie Goldstein (boarder) 20
Jacobs (>from Germany):
Rosa (head) 32
Jane (daughter) 8
Hyman (son) 6
65 Gt. Garden St.
Levy (>from Russia):
Barnett (head) 35
Fanny (wife) 35
Davis (son) 12
Sarah (daughter) 11
Isaac (son) 8
Annie (daughter) 6

--
Dan Katz (d.katz@ieee.org) Pasadena, CA


request recommendation for family tree software. #romania

Mayim Rubin <mayim36@...>
 

i am looking for recommendations for affordable (about
$100.00 or less) family tree software.

I have my family tree(s) composed using ORG.EXE , a
DOS based program used for organizational charts.I
would like to convert it, if possible to a WINDOWS
based product. I would like the product to be
compatible or upgradable with WINDOWS 95 and WINDOWS
NT.


If
anyone has any experience / and/ or recommendations
for family tree software that is a stable and
establishede product that will be supported for
many
years, please email me.

Thank you very much.

Miriam Rubin
New York, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Private replies only.


Romania SIG #Romania request recommendation for family tree software. #romania

Mayim Rubin <mayim36@...>
 

i am looking for recommendations for affordable (about
$100.00 or less) family tree software.

I have my family tree(s) composed using ORG.EXE , a
DOS based program used for organizational charts.I
would like to convert it, if possible to a WINDOWS
based product. I would like the product to be
compatible or upgradable with WINDOWS 95 and WINDOWS
NT.


If
anyone has any experience / and/ or recommendations
for family tree software that is a stable and
establishede product that will be supported for
many
years, please email me.

Thank you very much.

Miriam Rubin
New York, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Private replies only.


Annual New Year Donor Appeal! #france

Rosanne D. Leeson <leeson1@...>
 

Dear Friends:

As we prepare to celebrate the New Year please take a moment to consider
that JewishGen provides us with the vital source for our ongoing
genealogical research. JewishGen is still one of the only free
genealogical sites free to us, but not free to JewishGen, which must
bear the monthly expense of providing all the resources we use daily
without a second thought. These are costs that must be met to overcome
the current shortfall.

To continue as a public service institution, JewishGen has launched the
first Annual New Year Donor Appeal. The goal is to raise $300,000 to
carry us through to the end of 2002 and to acquire the necessary
hardware and software applications for improved databases scheduled to
begin going online by October. There are two million records >from
Yad Vashem and other sources waiting to be made available to us!

The financial support of each and every one of us is needed if JewishGen
is to continue as the only free site for Jewish genealogical research.
Give what you can afford, be it $25, the suggested annual minimum,
or $100 (or more) which will enroll you in the JGFFAlert. This is a
system that informs you via immediate e-mail if another researcher
enters data into the JGFF that has the potential of linking to your
family names.

Please go now to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml.

With your permission, your name will be listed on a special 2002 Annual
New Year Donor Appeal recognition site. We are asking that all our
users make a donation to the very best of their financial ability.
Consider scheduling a monthly deduction >from your credit card if this
works best for you.

On behalf of JewishGen and our FrenchSIG our very best wishes for a
healthy, happy and peaceful New Year.

Rosanne Leeson
Pierre Hahn
Co-Coordinators
FrenchSIG


French SIG #France Annual New Year Donor Appeal! #france

Rosanne D. Leeson <leeson1@...>
 

Dear Friends:

As we prepare to celebrate the New Year please take a moment to consider
that JewishGen provides us with the vital source for our ongoing
genealogical research. JewishGen is still one of the only free
genealogical sites free to us, but not free to JewishGen, which must
bear the monthly expense of providing all the resources we use daily
without a second thought. These are costs that must be met to overcome
the current shortfall.

To continue as a public service institution, JewishGen has launched the
first Annual New Year Donor Appeal. The goal is to raise $300,000 to
carry us through to the end of 2002 and to acquire the necessary
hardware and software applications for improved databases scheduled to
begin going online by October. There are two million records >from
Yad Vashem and other sources waiting to be made available to us!

The financial support of each and every one of us is needed if JewishGen
is to continue as the only free site for Jewish genealogical research.
Give what you can afford, be it $25, the suggested annual minimum,
or $100 (or more) which will enroll you in the JGFFAlert. This is a
system that informs you via immediate e-mail if another researcher
enters data into the JGFF that has the potential of linking to your
family names.

Please go now to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml.

With your permission, your name will be listed on a special 2002 Annual
New Year Donor Appeal recognition site. We are asking that all our
users make a donation to the very best of their financial ability.
Consider scheduling a monthly deduction >from your credit card if this
works best for you.

On behalf of JewishGen and our FrenchSIG our very best wishes for a
healthy, happy and peaceful New Year.

Rosanne Leeson
Pierre Hahn
Co-Coordinators
FrenchSIG


Re: Talsi Jewish cemetery #courland #latvia

David Crook <CROOKFAMILY@...>
 

I would be most interested in seeing the tombstones, as my father-in-law's
parents came >from Talsi. I am able to read and translate Hebrew, Yiddish and
German, so perhaps I can help in translations.

David Crook,
Chicago.
e-mail: CROOKFAMILY@prodigy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: <Cabsha1@aol.com>
To: Courland Area Research Group <courland@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:44 PM
Subject: [courland] Talsi Jewish cemetery


Would someone on this listserv be interested in the information on the
gravestones of the Talsi, Latvia Jewish cemetery? A professor from
Lancaster
University in Great Britain and I have had recent correspondence. He has
photographs of all the legible gravestones. I am not very computer
literate
nor am I able to translate >from Hebrew, Latvian,Yiddish and German which
are
on the stones but I thought someone on the Latvian list serv would be
willing to look at the photos, translate and know how to post the
information to the JewishGen site. I don't think there are many stones
left
so it is a relatively small project.

Please contact me if interested or perhaps let me know who else would like
this information.

Sincerely,
Louise Hayden
New York


Cape archives Tour #southafrica

shaul <shaul@...>
 

crosspost >from South African-British-Immigrants newsgroup

<<Just a reminder about the Cape Town Family History Society's tour of the
Cape Town Archives.
Everyone is invited on Thursday 19th September at 5 for 5:30. The tour
will be aprox two hours which will include a video as well.
All parties interested could please let me know how many people are
coming so that I can confirm the numbers with the Archives.
Kind regards
Heather

Heather's South African Genealogy Help List - www.genealogy.co.za
Join the South African-British-Immigrants newsgroup -
SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L-request@rootsweb.com
mailto:SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L-request@rootsweb.com to join
just type in
the word Subscribe and nothing else in the subject bar.
To join the Cape Town Family History Society please send an email to
mailto:genealogy@iafrica.com for details and an application form>>>



Saul Issroff


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia Re: Talsi Jewish cemetery #courland #latvia

David Crook <CROOKFAMILY@...>
 

I would be most interested in seeing the tombstones, as my father-in-law's
parents came >from Talsi. I am able to read and translate Hebrew, Yiddish and
German, so perhaps I can help in translations.

David Crook,
Chicago.
e-mail: CROOKFAMILY@prodigy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: <Cabsha1@aol.com>
To: Courland Area Research Group <courland@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:44 PM
Subject: [courland] Talsi Jewish cemetery


Would someone on this listserv be interested in the information on the
gravestones of the Talsi, Latvia Jewish cemetery? A professor from
Lancaster
University in Great Britain and I have had recent correspondence. He has
photographs of all the legible gravestones. I am not very computer
literate
nor am I able to translate >from Hebrew, Latvian,Yiddish and German which
are
on the stones but I thought someone on the Latvian list serv would be
willing to look at the photos, translate and know how to post the
information to the JewishGen site. I don't think there are many stones
left
so it is a relatively small project.

Please contact me if interested or perhaps let me know who else would like
this information.

Sincerely,
Louise Hayden
New York


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Cape archives Tour #southafrica

shaul <shaul@...>
 

crosspost >from South African-British-Immigrants newsgroup

<<Just a reminder about the Cape Town Family History Society's tour of the
Cape Town Archives.
Everyone is invited on Thursday 19th September at 5 for 5:30. The tour
will be aprox two hours which will include a video as well.
All parties interested could please let me know how many people are
coming so that I can confirm the numbers with the Archives.
Kind regards
Heather

Heather's South African Genealogy Help List - www.genealogy.co.za
Join the South African-British-Immigrants newsgroup -
SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L-request@rootsweb.com
mailto:SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L-request@rootsweb.com to join
just type in
the word Subscribe and nothing else in the subject bar.
To join the Cape Town Family History Society please send an email to
mailto:genealogy@iafrica.com for details and an application form>>>



Saul Issroff


Annual New Year Donor Appeal! #romania

Rosanne D. Leeson <leeson1@...>
 

Dear Friends:

As we prepare to celebrate the New Year please take a moment to consider
that JewishGen provides us with the vital source for our ongoing
genealogical research. JewishGen is still one of the only free
genealogical sites free to us, but not free to JewishGen, which must
bear the monthly expense of providing
all the resources we use daily without a second thought. These are
costs that must be met to overcome the current shortfall.

To continue as a public service institution, JewishGen has launched the
first Annual New Year Donor Appeal. The goal is to raise $300,000 to
carry us through to the end of 2002 and to acquire the necessary
hardware and software applications for improved databases scheduled to
begin going online
by October. There are two million records >from Yad Vashem and other
sources waiting to be made available to us!

Our group is currently working on the following projects and the costs
of preparing and keeping them available on line must be met before they
are added to the JewishGen servers:

Botosani Cemetery register 1906-present About 12,500 entries
Registers of the Kishinev, Moldova Jewish community About 59,000
records
Iasi Holocaust list >from the USHMM About 1200 entires

In addition, we are hoping to be able to place other lists either onto
an All-Romanian Database where possible, or to find volunteers to work
on their
own Shtetls for the ShtetLink project. we will be posting a list of
those
places shortly.

The financial support of each and every one of us is needed if JewishGen
is to continue as the only free site for Jewish genealogical research.
Give what you can afford, be it $25, the suggested annual minimum,
or $100 (or more) which will enroll you in the JGFFAlert. This is a
system that informs you via immediate e-mail if another researcher
enters
data into the JGFF that has the potential of linking to your
family names.

Please go now to
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml.
With your permission, your name will be listed on a special 2002 Annual
New Year Donor Appeal recognition site. We are asking that all our
users make a donation to the very best of their financial ability.
Consider scheduling a monthly deduction >from your credit card if this
works best for you.

On behalf of JewishGen and our ROM-SIG our very best wishes for a
healthy, happy and peaceful New Year.

Rosanne Leeson
Paula Zieselman
Co-Coordinators
ROM-SIG


Romania SIG #Romania Annual New Year Donor Appeal! #romania

Rosanne D. Leeson <leeson1@...>
 

Dear Friends:

As we prepare to celebrate the New Year please take a moment to consider
that JewishGen provides us with the vital source for our ongoing
genealogical research. JewishGen is still one of the only free
genealogical sites free to us, but not free to JewishGen, which must
bear the monthly expense of providing
all the resources we use daily without a second thought. These are
costs that must be met to overcome the current shortfall.

To continue as a public service institution, JewishGen has launched the
first Annual New Year Donor Appeal. The goal is to raise $300,000 to
carry us through to the end of 2002 and to acquire the necessary
hardware and software applications for improved databases scheduled to
begin going online
by October. There are two million records >from Yad Vashem and other
sources waiting to be made available to us!

Our group is currently working on the following projects and the costs
of preparing and keeping them available on line must be met before they
are added to the JewishGen servers:

Botosani Cemetery register 1906-present About 12,500 entries
Registers of the Kishinev, Moldova Jewish community About 59,000
records
Iasi Holocaust list >from the USHMM About 1200 entires

In addition, we are hoping to be able to place other lists either onto
an All-Romanian Database where possible, or to find volunteers to work
on their
own Shtetls for the ShtetLink project. we will be posting a list of
those
places shortly.

The financial support of each and every one of us is needed if JewishGen
is to continue as the only free site for Jewish genealogical research.
Give what you can afford, be it $25, the suggested annual minimum,
or $100 (or more) which will enroll you in the JGFFAlert. This is a
system that informs you via immediate e-mail if another researcher
enters
data into the JGFF that has the potential of linking to your
family names.

Please go now to
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml.
With your permission, your name will be listed on a special 2002 Annual
New Year Donor Appeal recognition site. We are asking that all our
users make a donation to the very best of their financial ability.
Consider scheduling a monthly deduction >from your credit card if this
works best for you.

On behalf of JewishGen and our ROM-SIG our very best wishes for a
healthy, happy and peaceful New Year.

Rosanne Leeson
Paula Zieselman
Co-Coordinators
ROM-SIG


Use of SIG Mailing Lists To Lobby Another Organization #belarus

David Fox <davefox73@...>
 

All the SIG coordinators and moderators have just been reminded that it is
against JewishGen policy for our mailing list to be used to lobby another
organization; to encourage others to write to any other organization
regarding a complaint; to mount a campaign to boycott other organizations;
to solicit funds to engage in any lobbying effort. While we all have our
own
opinions, feelings, and covictions about the what has happened recently
concerning the One Step EIDB search, please refrain >from posting messages on
this subject.

This serves as the end to this thread of discussion. Any further messages
regarding this matter will be rejected by our moderators. Thanks, everybody,
for
your cooperation.

Dave

David Fox
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD
davefox73@earthlink.net


Belarus SIG #Belarus Use of SIG Mailing Lists To Lobby Another Organization #belarus

David Fox <davefox73@...>
 

All the SIG coordinators and moderators have just been reminded that it is
against JewishGen policy for our mailing list to be used to lobby another
organization; to encourage others to write to any other organization
regarding a complaint; to mount a campaign to boycott other organizations;
to solicit funds to engage in any lobbying effort. While we all have our
own
opinions, feelings, and covictions about the what has happened recently
concerning the One Step EIDB search, please refrain >from posting messages on
this subject.

This serves as the end to this thread of discussion. Any further messages
regarding this matter will be rejected by our moderators. Thanks, everybody,
for
your cooperation.

Dave

David Fox
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD
davefox73@earthlink.net


Attack by EI on Stephen Morse #belarus

Ed Sternin <edik@...>
 

I assume that the reason EI is being nasty is because they feel they are
losing "control" over the crown jewels, and their source of income. I
think they are completely wrong, in both the legal and the moral sense.

Before too long, and before google and other caching search engines
replace their copies of Stephen's one-step search form with the current
page that says only "the site is down", I suggest that everyone saves a
local copy of this form on their hard drives, for our own PERSONAL use, as
permitted by the Terms of Use (which I reviewed again today) of the EI
site.

After all, the form itself is a computer program, written in HTML, and is
the intellectual property of Stphen Morse, who has released it into
public use. There are no restrictions on copying the html code of the
form itself, and EI can never possibly initiate a legal action against
anyone who owns a copy of the form; and neither can Stephen Morse because
he did not put a copyright statement into his code when posting it on his
site.

Now, to make use of the results of the form, processed on your computer,
for your own PERSONAL USE, you should create a user ID on the EI site.
There are NO RESTRICTIONS in the posted terms of use on HOW you access the
information on the site's database ("deep-linking" referred to earlier is
a term recently invented by enterprising journalists) only that it be for
personal use. At the moment, EI site does not CHECK whether you have a
valid user ID when it processes your search query, but they are within
their right to start doing so at any moment; so you should register as a
user with them. (Most of us did so long ago).

So, search in google for "stephen morris" and "ellis island", and DO NOT
click on the found links, but on the "Cached" versions instead. If you
are working "off-line", your own computer may have a cached version of the
form, if you had used it in the past; start with that. Save it to your

own hard drive, and use it when you need an efficient EL search.

Some sites used to mirror Stephen's form (although not the Jewish subform)
and it may still be available >from them. Seek and you shall find :-).

---------------
Ed Sternin
Ontario, Canada


Belarus SIG #Belarus Attack by EI on Stephen Morse #belarus

Ed Sternin <edik@...>
 

I assume that the reason EI is being nasty is because they feel they are
losing "control" over the crown jewels, and their source of income. I
think they are completely wrong, in both the legal and the moral sense.

Before too long, and before google and other caching search engines
replace their copies of Stephen's one-step search form with the current
page that says only "the site is down", I suggest that everyone saves a
local copy of this form on their hard drives, for our own PERSONAL use, as
permitted by the Terms of Use (which I reviewed again today) of the EI
site.

After all, the form itself is a computer program, written in HTML, and is
the intellectual property of Stphen Morse, who has released it into
public use. There are no restrictions on copying the html code of the
form itself, and EI can never possibly initiate a legal action against
anyone who owns a copy of the form; and neither can Stephen Morse because
he did not put a copyright statement into his code when posting it on his
site.

Now, to make use of the results of the form, processed on your computer,
for your own PERSONAL USE, you should create a user ID on the EI site.
There are NO RESTRICTIONS in the posted terms of use on HOW you access the
information on the site's database ("deep-linking" referred to earlier is
a term recently invented by enterprising journalists) only that it be for
personal use. At the moment, EI site does not CHECK whether you have a
valid user ID when it processes your search query, but they are within
their right to start doing so at any moment; so you should register as a
user with them. (Most of us did so long ago).

So, search in google for "stephen morris" and "ellis island", and DO NOT
click on the found links, but on the "Cached" versions instead. If you
are working "off-line", your own computer may have a cached version of the
form, if you had used it in the past; start with that. Save it to your

own hard drive, and use it when you need an efficient EL search.

Some sites used to mirror Stephen's form (although not the Jewish subform)
and it may still be available >from them. Seek and you shall find :-).

---------------
Ed Sternin
Ontario, Canada


Steve Morse #belarus

Joy Muter <joy9063@...>
 

I just read Hilary Henkin's letter regarding writing the Ellis Island
Foundation a subtle but very nice letter regarding Steve Morse's page. Even
though he has been told that "deep linking" is illegal, once one enters his
page to perform a search, one is taken immediately to the Ellis Island Site.

I think a letter writing campaign is a good solid idea.

Joy Muter
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Looking for: MUTTEROFF, MUTEROW, MUROWITZER, (or anything close or soundex)
and YUKASHKIN,


Belarus SIG #Belarus Steve Morse #belarus

Joy Muter <joy9063@...>
 

I just read Hilary Henkin's letter regarding writing the Ellis Island
Foundation a subtle but very nice letter regarding Steve Morse's page. Even
though he has been told that "deep linking" is illegal, once one enters his
page to perform a search, one is taken immediately to the Ellis Island Site.

I think a letter writing campaign is a good solid idea.

Joy Muter
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Looking for: MUTTEROFF, MUTEROW, MUROWITZER, (or anything close or soundex)
and YUKASHKIN,


Re: Russian-Polish names-- #general

Barbara S Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Several days ago I posed a query about Russian-Polish names.
I was looking for the most probable religious *and* secular names for
the following:

All were born in Bialystock region:
| >female: called Ina in the US
| >female: called Asa in the US
| >female: called Fania in the US
| male: called "Femushe" - killed in the SHOAH

| B. born and died in Poland
| female: called "Balbina" born and died in Poland
| male: called Miroslav also born and died in Poland
| male: called Seweryn, nicknamed Sevik .
|
And I wondered what might be the contemporary English spelling and
pronunciation of
|the surname "Cainingold" >from "Poland" --- . Is Steingold too far a
stretch?

Two writers suggested that the surname was probably Cajlingold, a Warsaw
Jewish name meaning "counting gold." Another writer wrote, "C = Z
sometimes in Polish, so might actually be a little more accurate to say
Seingold or Sheingold.

In the days since I posted, I learned that Ina was Mina in Bialystok.
Most correspondents suggested Feige for Fania, and I think it most likely.
The jury is still out on Asa.

While 1 genner suggested Femushe could be a variation of "Yefim", several
others proposed that it was probably a diminutive of Efraim. That
suggestion makes the most sense, as there were several Effrems among
cousins in the same generation .

While one writer said that Balbina was not a Jewish name, another said that
she had a relative >from Poland who had the name Balbina and her Yiddish
name had been Blima.

Thanks to all who offered help.

Shana Tova!

Barbara S Mannlein
Tucson, AZ


Re: Orders for records from AGAD Archives. #general

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

The processing of orders for copies of eastern Galician records
from the AGAD Archives in Warsaw is being handled through a
special interim payment system instituted by Jewish Records
Indexing - Poland and AGAD. This system has been in place since
the inception of the AGAD indexing project in 2000. This system
is unique and only covers orders of records >from the AGAD
Archives. A previous message to this forum explained the current
situation with orders to other Polish State Archive branches.

As Mike points out, the JRI-Poland / AGAD order process is
working well. Recent experience for turnaround of orders averages
about 60 days. The AGAD status report can be accessed at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/agadtowns.html and provides
the indexing status of the 86 administrative towns that are part
of the AGAD project.

For more information about all JRI-Poland projects and discussion
of Polish research, join the JRI-Poland discussion group at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/join.htm.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Archives Coordinator
JRI-Poland
Visit the JRI-Poland web site at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent
non-profit U.S. tax-exempt organization and is hosted by
JewishGen.

----- Original Message -----
I'm not sure if this is what you are talking about,
but I have successfully ordered documents >from the
JRI-Poland / AGAD. It was fairly simple and I was
surprised it took only 2 months for the documents to
arrive (congratulations on a job well done).
I simply did a search at the JRI-Poland web site
(http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/), printed out the
table that resulted and highlighted the documentation
I wanted. Then followed the link provided in the
search results to complete the order form
(http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~psaorder)
then followed the link to create the order form
including the mailing address. Cost is $11 per record.

If you need assistance on the links/procedure I
followed please contact me directly.

Now if I could only find someone to translate the
polish. I see names and dates, but ...

Mike Herzlich
mherzlich@yahoo.com