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Re: Question over name after divorce/annulment #general

Pamela Weisberger
 

Miriam asked:

"If a (Jewish) woman in a small shtetl in 19th century Poland was
divorced or had her marriage annulled only a short time time after the
initial marriage (there were no children), would the custom have been
for her to continue using her married name or would she go back to
using her maiden name?"

If divorced, a woman could probably keep her married name or revert to
her maiden one-- but consider that in the 19th century if the marriage
took place in a shtetl in Galicia, and the marriage ceremony was only
a religious and not civil one (the usual case during that time period)
then the woman might never have legally taken the man's surname to
begin with -- since the marriage was not recognized by the State --
and would still have been known by her maiden name. Even if they had
children, the children would also carry the mother's name and not the
father's. If there was a divorce in those cases all the names would
stay the same in the eyes of the government, although the children
might decide to adopt the father's name in later years. If the
marriage was annulled -- different >from a divorce in that the marriage
is considered to never have taken place -- then the woman would keep
or revert back to her maiden name because she was not considered ever
married.

Pamela Weisberger
pweisberger@gmail.com


Re: Do you ever leave someone off your tree? #general

Joan S. Gross
 

I have never knowingly left someone off a family tree or out of a family
history. That is like telling a lie. Maybe I can be this cavalier about
the subject because only my children and a few very close cousins have a
copy. Also, I don't know of any 'bad' stories but, who knows, there may
have been. For years (and generations) no family member knew that one of
our relatives took her own life in the early 1920's. I revealed the story
because it was very interesting and would not likely upset of her
distantly-related survivors who do not live in the USA. I feel strongly
that all facts and figures and bubbemeinsas that you've gathered should go
into a family's history/genealogy report. If the tale is not on public
record, you should still let the existing family in on their history.

Joan S. Gross

From: "Debby Painter" <gincig@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:18 PM

I agree that we are products of our family no matter the circumstances of
these relationships. There will always be people or situations that families
are not too proud of "acknowledging" but they are family nevertheless...


Re: Researching a family business? #general

Campbell, Karen (Perkins Coie) <KCampbell@...>
 

If anyone has any knowledge on this topic, please share it with either the
list or please add me to your reply to Allan. I've been trying to research
a family business in Philadelphia, PA.

Thank you,

Karen Campbell, Bellevue, WA

From: Aejordan@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:23 AM
Anyone have any experience / tips on researching the history of a family
business?..


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Question over name after divorce/annulment #general

Pamela Weisberger
 

Miriam asked:

"If a (Jewish) woman in a small shtetl in 19th century Poland was
divorced or had her marriage annulled only a short time time after the
initial marriage (there were no children), would the custom have been
for her to continue using her married name or would she go back to
using her maiden name?"

If divorced, a woman could probably keep her married name or revert to
her maiden one-- but consider that in the 19th century if the marriage
took place in a shtetl in Galicia, and the marriage ceremony was only
a religious and not civil one (the usual case during that time period)
then the woman might never have legally taken the man's surname to
begin with -- since the marriage was not recognized by the State --
and would still have been known by her maiden name. Even if they had
children, the children would also carry the mother's name and not the
father's. If there was a divorce in those cases all the names would
stay the same in the eyes of the government, although the children
might decide to adopt the father's name in later years. If the
marriage was annulled -- different >from a divorce in that the marriage
is considered to never have taken place -- then the woman would keep
or revert back to her maiden name because she was not considered ever
married.

Pamela Weisberger
pweisberger@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Do you ever leave someone off your tree? #general

Joan S. Gross
 

I have never knowingly left someone off a family tree or out of a family
history. That is like telling a lie. Maybe I can be this cavalier about
the subject because only my children and a few very close cousins have a
copy. Also, I don't know of any 'bad' stories but, who knows, there may
have been. For years (and generations) no family member knew that one of
our relatives took her own life in the early 1920's. I revealed the story
because it was very interesting and would not likely upset of her
distantly-related survivors who do not live in the USA. I feel strongly
that all facts and figures and bubbemeinsas that you've gathered should go
into a family's history/genealogy report. If the tale is not on public
record, you should still let the existing family in on their history.

Joan S. Gross

From: "Debby Painter" <gincig@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:18 PM

I agree that we are products of our family no matter the circumstances of
these relationships. There will always be people or situations that families
are not too proud of "acknowledging" but they are family nevertheless...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Researching a family business? #general

Campbell, Karen (Perkins Coie) <KCampbell@...>
 

If anyone has any knowledge on this topic, please share it with either the
list or please add me to your reply to Allan. I've been trying to research
a family business in Philadelphia, PA.

Thank you,

Karen Campbell, Bellevue, WA

From: Aejordan@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:23 AM
Anyone have any experience / tips on researching the history of a family
business?..


Re: British Jews into Palestine #general

Snillop47@...
 

A number of British Jews went to Palestine 1945-1947 illegally, under
Alyah Bet. I gather a book is being written about that episode.

Harold Pollins
---
In a message dated 16/03/2012 19:49:36 GMT Standard Time,
alison@013.net.il writes:
Would Jews carrying British passports have been allowed into Palestine
without restriction, or deduction >from the quota, post WWII, obviously
before the creation of Israel?
Would the British have automatically have given citizenship to an
immediate relative, who survived the Holocaust, e.g. a mother, of
Kindertransport children, who had acquired British citizenship by
naturalization during the war?
I have read the 1939 White Paper, and some references in Hansard to
Palestine, as well as the Mandate document, but I have yet to get a
clear answer. I thought maybe someone had come across these questions
during research.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: British Jews into Palestine #general

Snillop47@...
 

A number of British Jews went to Palestine 1945-1947 illegally, under
Alyah Bet. I gather a book is being written about that episode.

Harold Pollins
---
In a message dated 16/03/2012 19:49:36 GMT Standard Time,
alison@013.net.il writes:
Would Jews carrying British passports have been allowed into Palestine
without restriction, or deduction >from the quota, post WWII, obviously
before the creation of Israel?
Would the British have automatically have given citizenship to an
immediate relative, who survived the Holocaust, e.g. a mother, of
Kindertransport children, who had acquired British citizenship by
naturalization during the war?
I have read the 1939 White Paper, and some references in Hansard to
Palestine, as well as the Mandate document, but I have yet to get a
clear answer. I thought maybe someone had come across these questions
during research.


Congregational Family Number #general

Morton Rumberg
 

Dear Genners,

One of the columns of the L'viv vital statistics is Congregational Family
Number. This is obviously a registration number, but for what purpose? But
Why are some families designated with a number, some with the word None, and
some left blank? What is the difference between the designations? Was it
wealth, position in community, government employed? Other than a
registration number, what was it used for? Did it convey any benefit?

Many thanks,

Mort Rumberg
Sacramento, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Congregational Family Number #general

Morton Rumberg
 

Dear Genners,

One of the columns of the L'viv vital statistics is Congregational Family
Number. This is obviously a registration number, but for what purpose? But
Why are some families designated with a number, some with the word None, and
some left blank? What is the difference between the designations? Was it
wealth, position in community, government employed? Other than a
registration number, what was it used for? Did it convey any benefit?

Many thanks,

Mort Rumberg
Sacramento, CA


Re: Do you ever leave someone off your tree? #general

David Schreiber
 

One remark that I'd like to make is that one may draw more than one conclusion
or interpretation >from the apparent sins or indiscretions of our ancestors,
even given the existence of official records of the time. I found a death
record for a great aunt that stated that she had committed suicide having
been asphyxiated by illuminating gas. Since both my mother and aunt had
Alzheimer's in later life, it would seem reasonable that some tendency to
dementia runs in the family. Given this information, I can easily imagine
someone with this condition lighting the illuminating gas in their apartment
and forgetting to shut it off correctly before bed. Similarly, I imagine that
some instances of carbon monoxide poisoning must have occurred using illuminating
gas for lighting.

David Schreiber
Melbourne, Fl


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Do you ever leave someone off your tree? #general

David Schreiber
 

One remark that I'd like to make is that one may draw more than one conclusion
or interpretation >from the apparent sins or indiscretions of our ancestors,
even given the existence of official records of the time. I found a death
record for a great aunt that stated that she had committed suicide having
been asphyxiated by illuminating gas. Since both my mother and aunt had
Alzheimer's in later life, it would seem reasonable that some tendency to
dementia runs in the family. Given this information, I can easily imagine
someone with this condition lighting the illuminating gas in their apartment
and forgetting to shut it off correctly before bed. Similarly, I imagine that
some instances of carbon monoxide poisoning must have occurred using illuminating
gas for lighting.

David Schreiber
Melbourne, Fl


32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #courland #latvia

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

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32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #southafrica

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

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***Tuesday July 17 at 7:00 pm***

FATHER PATRICK DESBOIS, president of Yahad-in Unum (Holocaust by bullets)
will be our Guest. *Register Now* !

---NEW---

** Sign for the SIG BREAKFASTS (19 euros) or LUNCHES (29 euros). You can also sign
for LUNCHES ONLY (without SIG registration : 25 euros). All meals will be
KOSHER.

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your flight numbers and the dates and times of arrival and departure to
celine@joubert-voyages.com

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Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia 32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #courland #latvia

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

---GALA---

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FATHER PATRICK DESBOIS, president of Yahad-in Unum (Holocaust by bullets)
will be our Guest. *Register Now* !

---NEW---

** Sign for the SIG BREAKFASTS (19 euros) or LUNCHES (29 euros). You can also sign
for LUNCHES ONLY (without SIG registration : 25 euros). All meals will be
KOSHER.

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your flight numbers and the dates and times of arrival and departure to
celine@joubert-voyages.com

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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica 32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #southafrica

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

---GALA---

***Tuesday July 17 at 7:00 pm***

FATHER PATRICK DESBOIS, president of Yahad-in Unum (Holocaust by bullets)
will be our Guest. *Register Now* !

---NEW---

** Sign for the SIG BREAKFASTS (19 euros) or LUNCHES (29 euros). You can also sign
for LUNCHES ONLY (without SIG registration : 25 euros). All meals will be
KOSHER.

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your flight numbers and the dates and times of arrival and departure to
celine@joubert-voyages.com

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JRI-Poland introduces new tool to graphically follow families in the records of Poland #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland today announced the "Surname
Distribution Mapper" - a tool designed to help genealogy
researchers graphically understand where their family names first
appeared in the 19th century records and visualize how the family
spread throughout Poland by decades >from the early 1800s into the
first part of the 20th century.

Using modern mapping technology provided by Google Maps, the
Surname Distribution Mapper allows users to graphically display
their search results using a tree icon to indicate the number of
entries found for a surname in a town's vital and other records.

By running the cursor over each tree icon, a user can view a
popup window displaying the number of vital record entries found
in various towns in the JRI-Poland database. Clicking on the
balloon brings the user to the familiar JRI-Poland search results
for detailed viewing of a town's entries.

Additionally, and especially exciting for researchers, the
Surname Distribution Mapper can display results for specific
decades or in a "progressive mode," where tree icons appear
successively by decade to give the researcher an idea of the
movement of their family around Poland and the Western Ukraine.

"The Surname Distribution Mapper enables a researcher to
experience visually much of what we had only been able to do
conceptually," explained Robinn Magid, Lublin Archives Project
Coordinator and long-time JRI-Poland board member. "Our goal is
to quickly determine where a person should focus their research
energy to obtain results beyond what the family's oral history
might recollect."

"JRI-Poland database manager Michael Tobias has given us the gift
of highlighting migration patterns and spotlighting probable
'home bases' for families. The Surname mapper takes genealogy
search results to a new level," she said.

The JRI-Poland Surname Distribution Mapper is now live and can be
initiated >from the "search database" link on the JRI-Poland Home
Page at www.jri-poland.org .

Visit www.jri-poland.org to read the announcement and begin using
this special feature.

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director
For the Board of Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


JRI Poland #Poland JRI-Poland introduces new tool to graphically follow families in the records of Poland #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland today announced the "Surname
Distribution Mapper" - a tool designed to help genealogy
researchers graphically understand where their family names first
appeared in the 19th century records and visualize how the family
spread throughout Poland by decades >from the early 1800s into the
first part of the 20th century.

Using modern mapping technology provided by Google Maps, the
Surname Distribution Mapper allows users to graphically display
their search results using a tree icon to indicate the number of
entries found for a surname in a town's vital and other records.

By running the cursor over each tree icon, a user can view a
popup window displaying the number of vital record entries found
in various towns in the JRI-Poland database. Clicking on the
balloon brings the user to the familiar JRI-Poland search results
for detailed viewing of a town's entries.

Additionally, and especially exciting for researchers, the
Surname Distribution Mapper can display results for specific
decades or in a "progressive mode," where tree icons appear
successively by decade to give the researcher an idea of the
movement of their family around Poland and the Western Ukraine.

"The Surname Distribution Mapper enables a researcher to
experience visually much of what we had only been able to do
conceptually," explained Robinn Magid, Lublin Archives Project
Coordinator and long-time JRI-Poland board member. "Our goal is
to quickly determine where a person should focus their research
energy to obtain results beyond what the family's oral history
might recollect."

"JRI-Poland database manager Michael Tobias has given us the gift
of highlighting migration patterns and spotlighting probable
'home bases' for families. The Surname mapper takes genealogy
search results to a new level," she said.

The JRI-Poland Surname Distribution Mapper is now live and can be
initiated >from the "search database" link on the JRI-Poland Home
Page at www.jri-poland.org .

Visit www.jri-poland.org to read the announcement and begin using
this special feature.

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director
For the Board of Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


Hungarian Birth Record Translation Help Needed! #hungary

rlebi@...
 

I've found the 1902 birth record of my maternal ggm Gizella Fein (nee
Rosler/Rozsler), excerpted >from the Hungarian Civil Records (for =
Budapest VIII kerulet) on Family Search.

We're completely perplexed; not only were we unaware that perhaps my ggm =
was illegitimate, but her mother's name on the birth record differs >from =
that of my ggm's marriage records (and my gggm's death record); that is, Netti =
Izsak nee Rozsler.

The excerpted image is on ViewMate #2203 (link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=3D22031). =A0If =
anybody
is able to loosely translate it so we can figure out what=92s going on, =
I=92d
greatly appreciate it.

Please help us resolve this mystery!

Thanks and koszonom,
Ronnie Lebi
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Moderator: Please use ViewMate form to respond or contact Ronnie off-list.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Birth Record Translation Help Needed! #hungary

rlebi@...
 

I've found the 1902 birth record of my maternal ggm Gizella Fein (nee
Rosler/Rozsler), excerpted >from the Hungarian Civil Records (for =
Budapest VIII kerulet) on Family Search.

We're completely perplexed; not only were we unaware that perhaps my ggm =
was illegitimate, but her mother's name on the birth record differs >from =
that of my ggm's marriage records (and my gggm's death record); that is, Netti =
Izsak nee Rozsler.

The excerpted image is on ViewMate #2203 (link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=3D22031). =A0If =
anybody
is able to loosely translate it so we can figure out what=92s going on, =
I=92d
greatly appreciate it.

Please help us resolve this mystery!

Thanks and koszonom,
Ronnie Lebi
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Moderator: Please use ViewMate form to respond or contact Ronnie off-list.

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