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Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

Deb Katz
 

On 2006.07.11 Joan Hartman <joanhartman@ameritech.net> asked:

Does anyone have any science-based response to [...] an anthropology
blog, which challenges the conventional understanding of the "cohen
gene" (the blog is written anonymously so I cannot evaluate the author's
credentials)
from everything I've read and understand---which is extensive and includes
most of the scientific papers on the subject---the information in the blog
you quoted is fairly accurate. The thing is, it looks like cohanim Jews of
either haplogroup are very much more likely to have the CMH than non-cohanim
Jews and non-Jews...so even though the CMH may have arisen independently in
both haplgroups, there is some kind of connection...and for my money the
connection is geographic and cultural, i.e. for several thousands of years,
the J1's and J2's who developed the CMH were hanging out together...in the
middle east.

As it happens, I have three lineages (one J1f and two J2*) with the CMH...
although only one retained a tradition of cohanim descent. (one of the J2*s)

My best guess theory based on the facts so far is that all priests did not
descend >from one man...but rather >from numerous men (including likely
"Aaron" and his paternal relatives as well as others of the era who may have
"bought" their way into the preisthood or gotten there by other means).
Thus, I don't think the CMH's time to a common ancestor is far off...2500 to
3500 years ago is probably about right. The whole issue of how to
accurately date TMRCA of Y-dna matches is subject to hot debate...in time
they will figure this out and get a better handle on what other genetic
distinctions cohanim may share (i.e. fine tune the CMH) and we will get our
answer.

Debbie Katz
Los Altos CA


DNA Research #DNA Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

Deb Katz
 

On 2006.07.11 Joan Hartman <joanhartman@ameritech.net> asked:

Does anyone have any science-based response to [...] an anthropology
blog, which challenges the conventional understanding of the "cohen
gene" (the blog is written anonymously so I cannot evaluate the author's
credentials)
from everything I've read and understand---which is extensive and includes
most of the scientific papers on the subject---the information in the blog
you quoted is fairly accurate. The thing is, it looks like cohanim Jews of
either haplogroup are very much more likely to have the CMH than non-cohanim
Jews and non-Jews...so even though the CMH may have arisen independently in
both haplgroups, there is some kind of connection...and for my money the
connection is geographic and cultural, i.e. for several thousands of years,
the J1's and J2's who developed the CMH were hanging out together...in the
middle east.

As it happens, I have three lineages (one J1f and two J2*) with the CMH...
although only one retained a tradition of cohanim descent. (one of the J2*s)

My best guess theory based on the facts so far is that all priests did not
descend >from one man...but rather >from numerous men (including likely
"Aaron" and his paternal relatives as well as others of the era who may have
"bought" their way into the preisthood or gotten there by other means).
Thus, I don't think the CMH's time to a common ancestor is far off...2500 to
3500 years ago is probably about right. The whole issue of how to
accurately date TMRCA of Y-dna matches is subject to hot debate...in time
they will figure this out and get a better handle on what other genetic
distinctions cohanim may share (i.e. fine tune the CMH) and we will get our
answer.

Debbie Katz
Los Altos CA


Zloczow Nigun Sought #rabbinic

Joyce Field
 

I have been asked by Meylakh Sheykhet >from Lviv, Ukraine, to inquire
about a Nigun. This is his message to me:

"On July 23, 2006, 15:00, there will be a special ceremony in
Zolochiv (former Zloczow) to commemmorate 14,000 Jews who perished
there. The design, construction of the memorial was prepared by UCSJ
Representation to Ukraine. The survivors >from Israel, US, Australia,
Europe, Diplomats will join the ceremony, including the Nobel Prize
winner in Biology - Professor Roal Hoffman of Princeton University.

We are looking for the Nigun of Reb Yiekhiel Mekhl Zlotchover's Nigun
to play it at the ceremony."

If anyone can help Meylakh locate this nigun, please contact me and
I will forward him the information.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acqisition


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Zloczow Nigun Sought #rabbinic

Joyce Field
 

I have been asked by Meylakh Sheykhet >from Lviv, Ukraine, to inquire
about a Nigun. This is his message to me:

"On July 23, 2006, 15:00, there will be a special ceremony in
Zolochiv (former Zloczow) to commemmorate 14,000 Jews who perished
there. The design, construction of the memorial was prepared by UCSJ
Representation to Ukraine. The survivors >from Israel, US, Australia,
Europe, Diplomats will join the ceremony, including the Nobel Prize
winner in Biology - Professor Roal Hoffman of Princeton University.

We are looking for the Nigun of Reb Yiekhiel Mekhl Zlotchover's Nigun
to play it at the ceremony."

If anyone can help Meylakh locate this nigun, please contact me and
I will forward him the information.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acqisition


Re: the name Christof #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have screened the 153,000 Jewish burials in Vienna and can confirm
that there are no *Christof* but there is a single *Christian*:

TIREL Christian aged 54 died 03.12.1999

and a few Christines:

FRUCHTER Christine aged 84 died 11.12.1989
KREISLER Christine aged 33 died ab 7.05.1885
LANDSTEIN Christine aged 56 died 06.02.1931
PREIS Christine aged 41 died abt 18.12.1927
REINER Christin aged 76 died 21.01.1972
SONNENFELD Christine aged 59 died 03.06.1942
SPAT [umlaut] Christine aged 90 died 23.10.1991
SPITZER Christine aged ? died abt 29.07.1893
WEIL Christine aged 53 died abt 23.04.1928

Hence the use of the name Christine in Vienna was already used in the
late 1800s. As for *Christian* - he is a "one-off"!
 
There is always the possibility that these were Christian girls who
had married Jewish husbands. Christian's origins too needs further
investigation. It is interesting and probably significant to note
that he was born in 1945.  

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: the name Christof #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have screened the 153,000 Jewish burials in Vienna and can confirm
that there are no *Christof* but there is a single *Christian*:

TIREL Christian aged 54 died 03.12.1999

and a few Christines:

FRUCHTER Christine aged 84 died 11.12.1989
KREISLER Christine aged 33 died ab 7.05.1885
LANDSTEIN Christine aged 56 died 06.02.1931
PREIS Christine aged 41 died abt 18.12.1927
REINER Christin aged 76 died 21.01.1972
SONNENFELD Christine aged 59 died 03.06.1942
SPAT [umlaut] Christine aged 90 died 23.10.1991
SPITZER Christine aged ? died abt 29.07.1893
WEIL Christine aged 53 died abt 23.04.1928

Hence the use of the name Christine in Vienna was already used in the
late 1800s. As for *Christian* - he is a "one-off"!
 
There is always the possibility that these were Christian girls who
had married Jewish husbands. Christian's origins too needs further
investigation. It is interesting and probably significant to note
that he was born in 1945.  

Celia Male [U.K.]


need expertise about Grand Rapids Michigan #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

I have started working on my new daughter-in-law's family tree. Is there
anyone out there with knowledge about Grand Rapids Michigan? Please contact
me privately.
Rose Feldman
GITNER, REZNIK - Podolia, Ukraine
EPSTEIN, Ruzhany & Mscibow, Belarus
TREPER, TREPMAN, SOJCHER, FELDMAN, LICHT - Warsaw, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen need expertise about Grand Rapids Michigan #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

I have started working on my new daughter-in-law's family tree. Is there
anyone out there with knowledge about Grand Rapids Michigan? Please contact
me privately.
Rose Feldman
GITNER, REZNIK - Podolia, Ukraine
EPSTEIN, Ruzhany & Mscibow, Belarus
TREPER, TREPMAN, SOJCHER, FELDMAN, LICHT - Warsaw, Poland


Re: Help Translate Yad Vashem Pages - ZILBERMAN, USHER, #general

tom klein <bossman@...>
 

I think you might get a better response if you gave the direct address (url) of
the page(s) that you had in mind. Don't forget that the rest of us, while we
may be willing to help you, might get discouraged at having to sift through a
few dozen hits to find your family.

....... Tom Klein, Toronto

"Alexandra Alznauer" <petiealznauer@earthlink.net> wrote:

Please help me by translating >from Hebrew to English the names and addresses
(and anything else of interest that might not be in the Yad Vashem website's
English translation ) of the Submitters of Pages of Testimony on Yad Vashem
for these people in Lithuania:

"USHER Rakhel" [Freida Rakhel KRUBELINK USHER]
"ZILBERMANN Yaakov" [Yaakov ZILBERMANN]
"SILBERMAN Toba Taube" [Toba or Taube SILBERMAN]
"SILBERMAN Schmuel" in Girtagole [Schmuel SILBERMAN] - Liute BER is the
Submitter
"VINIKAITE Hene" [Hene VINIKAITE]
"KARNOVSKI Chaim" [Chaim KARNOVSKY]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help Translate Yad Vashem Pages - ZILBERMAN, USHER, #general

tom klein <bossman@...>
 

I think you might get a better response if you gave the direct address (url) of
the page(s) that you had in mind. Don't forget that the rest of us, while we
may be willing to help you, might get discouraged at having to sift through a
few dozen hits to find your family.

....... Tom Klein, Toronto

"Alexandra Alznauer" <petiealznauer@earthlink.net> wrote:

Please help me by translating >from Hebrew to English the names and addresses
(and anything else of interest that might not be in the Yad Vashem website's
English translation ) of the Submitters of Pages of Testimony on Yad Vashem
for these people in Lithuania:

"USHER Rakhel" [Freida Rakhel KRUBELINK USHER]
"ZILBERMANN Yaakov" [Yaakov ZILBERMANN]
"SILBERMAN Toba Taube" [Toba or Taube SILBERMAN]
"SILBERMAN Schmuel" in Girtagole [Schmuel SILBERMAN] - Liute BER is the
Submitter
"VINIKAITE Hene" [Hene VINIKAITE]
"KARNOVSKI Chaim" [Chaim KARNOVSKY]


1920s Brooklyn marriage certif lookup needed - KRASNER #general

Jerry Krassner
 

If someone is going to the NYC Municipal Archives and can look up two
Brooklyn (Kings County) marriage certificates for me I would appreciate
it. I believe (but am not positive) that the certificates are located in
cabinets 4 or 5 in the microfilm room. I have the groom's name (Benjamin
KRASNER), dates (July 2, 1927 and December 22,1929) and certificate
numbers (10125 and 199, respectively). I am looking for any info on the
forms- addresses, bride's maiden name (first name Frances), etc. I suspect
one of these certificates is for someone else, but don't know which one,
so really I am only interested in the info on the certificate for Ben and
Frances. Thanks in advance- Jerry Krassner

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


Searching BENEVET, Izmir > New York #general

O.M.
 

Shalom,

I'm looking for details regarding the descendants of Daniel BENEVET
(born in Izmir, Turkey - 1886) and his wife Ester (born in Turkey,
around 1892).

According to the New York groom index, Daniel was married in 1912.

According to the 1930 U.S. federal census, they lived in Bronx, N.Y.
at 1930 and had 3 children: Victoria (born at 1915), David (1916) and
Rose (1921).

The only record refers to the family after 1930 is the death record of
Daniel in the SSDI (1973).

Thanks,

Oded Mann,
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1920s Brooklyn marriage certif lookup needed - KRASNER #general

Jerry Krassner
 

If someone is going to the NYC Municipal Archives and can look up two
Brooklyn (Kings County) marriage certificates for me I would appreciate
it. I believe (but am not positive) that the certificates are located in
cabinets 4 or 5 in the microfilm room. I have the groom's name (Benjamin
KRASNER), dates (July 2, 1927 and December 22,1929) and certificate
numbers (10125 and 199, respectively). I am looking for any info on the
forms- addresses, bride's maiden name (first name Frances), etc. I suspect
one of these certificates is for someone else, but don't know which one,
so really I am only interested in the info on the certificate for Ben and
Frances. Thanks in advance- Jerry Krassner

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching BENEVET, Izmir > New York #general

O.M.
 

Shalom,

I'm looking for details regarding the descendants of Daniel BENEVET
(born in Izmir, Turkey - 1886) and his wife Ester (born in Turkey,
around 1892).

According to the New York groom index, Daniel was married in 1912.

According to the 1930 U.S. federal census, they lived in Bronx, N.Y.
at 1930 and had 3 children: Victoria (born at 1915), David (1916) and
Rose (1921).

The only record refers to the family after 1930 is the death record of
Daniel in the SSDI (1973).

Thanks,

Oded Mann,
Israel


Searching descendants of Baruch WEIMAN/COHEN #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear Genners,
I am trying to track down the descendants of a B. (Baruch Simcha)
Weiman, who evidently changed his name to Cohen in the U.S. In 1976 he
wrote to his brother Yakov in Israel >from **** Bartner, St. Louis, MO.
He was probably born about 1885-1905 in Siemiatycze, Poland. His sister,
Elke, came to the U.S. in 1909, and two other sibs (Yakov and Moshe)
went to Israel in the 1920s. Does anyone have any ideas for me with such
a common name?
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Full address in Bartner removed in line with JewishGen policy.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching descendants of Baruch WEIMAN/COHEN #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear Genners,
I am trying to track down the descendants of a B. (Baruch Simcha)
Weiman, who evidently changed his name to Cohen in the U.S. In 1976 he
wrote to his brother Yakov in Israel >from **** Bartner, St. Louis, MO.
He was probably born about 1885-1905 in Siemiatycze, Poland. His sister,
Elke, came to the U.S. in 1909, and two other sibs (Yakov and Moshe)
went to Israel in the 1920s. Does anyone have any ideas for me with such
a common name?
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Full address in Bartner removed in line with JewishGen policy.


It is the right GREENBERG - Thank you #general

Carolyn Lea <clea@...>
 

That was fast! Thank you to both genners who were so helpful - this is my
missing sister (and gg-aunt) Ernestine/Esther Greenberg, nee Schwarzbaum.

I would love to share info with anyone doing work on this family.
Herman/Henry Greenburg/Greenberg possibly had a brother, Jacob, wife
Hannah - also in Boston and listed in the 1880 census on the same page - he
lives next door.
The info on Herman's death lists his parents as Isak Greenberg and
Hefter O. Vinkew, both b. Germany.

I have now found all census records as well. Thanks so much to those of you
who have access to the database for helping me. I am truly excited - a
family member I thought I would not find! I have already emailed cousins to
let them know. Jewishgenners are amazing people.

Carolyn Lea
NW Ohio
clea@woh.rr.com
ID# 152314

Researching: SCHWARZBAUM/SCHWARTZBAUM > Posen, Prussia >New York, Savannah,
Georgia and California ROTHSCHILD/ROTHCHILD> Zierenberg, Hessen Kassel, Prussia>
Darien and Savannah, Georgia BASCH>Prussia>Savannah, Georgia
LEWISOHN/LEVISON Elbing, West Prussia> Brunswick and Savannah, Georgia
OPPENHEIM > Savannah, Georgia WEINBERG >Prussia? > Georgia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen It is the right GREENBERG - Thank you #general

Carolyn Lea <clea@...>
 

That was fast! Thank you to both genners who were so helpful - this is my
missing sister (and gg-aunt) Ernestine/Esther Greenberg, nee Schwarzbaum.

I would love to share info with anyone doing work on this family.
Herman/Henry Greenburg/Greenberg possibly had a brother, Jacob, wife
Hannah - also in Boston and listed in the 1880 census on the same page - he
lives next door.
The info on Herman's death lists his parents as Isak Greenberg and
Hefter O. Vinkew, both b. Germany.

I have now found all census records as well. Thanks so much to those of you
who have access to the database for helping me. I am truly excited - a
family member I thought I would not find! I have already emailed cousins to
let them know. Jewishgenners are amazing people.

Carolyn Lea
NW Ohio
clea@woh.rr.com
ID# 152314

Researching: SCHWARZBAUM/SCHWARTZBAUM > Posen, Prussia >New York, Savannah,
Georgia and California ROTHSCHILD/ROTHCHILD> Zierenberg, Hessen Kassel, Prussia>
Darien and Savannah, Georgia BASCH>Prussia>Savannah, Georgia
LEWISOHN/LEVISON Elbing, West Prussia> Brunswick and Savannah, Georgia
OPPENHEIM > Savannah, Georgia WEINBERG >Prussia? > Georgia


VM8183 Russian Army Uniform - Epaulets #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

My Great-Uncle Menachem Mendl MEREMINSKY was a tailor in the Russian
Army circa early 1890s, stationed somewhere "in the eastern part of
Russia." He has a sword showing, no medals or any decorations except
the epaulets. Does anyone know what they indicated? (One of his
daughters states that "he made uniforms for the Generals.")

The file is located at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8183

Unless the response is of interest to the list, please respond
privately to sorlen@email.arizona.edu

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, Arizona


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM8183 Russian Army Uniform - Epaulets #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

My Great-Uncle Menachem Mendl MEREMINSKY was a tailor in the Russian
Army circa early 1890s, stationed somewhere "in the eastern part of
Russia." He has a sword showing, no medals or any decorations except
the epaulets. Does anyone know what they indicated? (One of his
daughters states that "he made uniforms for the Generals.")

The file is located at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8183

Unless the response is of interest to the list, please respond
privately to sorlen@email.arizona.edu

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, Arizona