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Parents' DNA Tests #dna

L A <lisala7366@...>
 

Is there any easy answer to the type of genealogic
information I will learn by having my parents DNA
checked?

Thank You
Lisa Arnett


DNA Research #DNA Parents' DNA Tests #dna

L A <lisala7366@...>
 

Is there any easy answer to the type of genealogic
information I will learn by having my parents DNA
checked?

Thank You
Lisa Arnett


Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

Joan Hartman <joanhartman@...>
 

Thanks for responding. Just to clarify, currently, Jews are mostly found
in haplogroup J. As I understand it, a haplogroup is defined as a pattern
of Y chromosomes that shares a unique mutation(s) but varies in the number
of copies of short sequences of bases that are inherited together. As I
understand it (and I am no scientist), haplogroup J is differentiated >from
other haplogroups by one mutation ("M304") . Haplogroup J is in turn
divided into two sub-haplogroups, J1 and J2. Sub-haplogroup J1 is defined
by another mutation ("M267"). Subhaplogroup J2 is defined by yet a third
mutation ("M172") Apparently the current thinking is that J1 and J2
separated well over 10,000 years ago. What I am trying to understand is
how, >from a scientific and genetic perspective, the cohen modal haplotype
-- which is just a pattern of six defined regions of DNA containing a set
number of copies of short sequences of bases which are inherited together
-- could have independently developed among a tribe of proto-priests who
fall into two completely different sub-haplogroups, J1 and J2, each of
which is over 10,000 years old. Unless I completely misunderstand the
science, the odds of this happening seem very small. (And if the cohen
modal haplotype predates the J1/J2 split, wouldn't we find it more widely
distributed in the population?) Even if you were to assume that this
random pattern could have arisen at the same time, 3500 years ago, in two
such men among the group of proto-priests of which Aaron was a member, how
could we then explain the fact that a far greater percentage of the
population of a region of southern Anatolia (12%) has the cohen modal
haplotype than do Jews?

Joan Hartman
Sender: Joan Hartman <joanhartman@ameritech.net>


DNA Research #DNA Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

Joan Hartman <joanhartman@...>
 

Thanks for responding. Just to clarify, currently, Jews are mostly found
in haplogroup J. As I understand it, a haplogroup is defined as a pattern
of Y chromosomes that shares a unique mutation(s) but varies in the number
of copies of short sequences of bases that are inherited together. As I
understand it (and I am no scientist), haplogroup J is differentiated >from
other haplogroups by one mutation ("M304") . Haplogroup J is in turn
divided into two sub-haplogroups, J1 and J2. Sub-haplogroup J1 is defined
by another mutation ("M267"). Subhaplogroup J2 is defined by yet a third
mutation ("M172") Apparently the current thinking is that J1 and J2
separated well over 10,000 years ago. What I am trying to understand is
how, >from a scientific and genetic perspective, the cohen modal haplotype
-- which is just a pattern of six defined regions of DNA containing a set
number of copies of short sequences of bases which are inherited together
-- could have independently developed among a tribe of proto-priests who
fall into two completely different sub-haplogroups, J1 and J2, each of
which is over 10,000 years old. Unless I completely misunderstand the
science, the odds of this happening seem very small. (And if the cohen
modal haplotype predates the J1/J2 split, wouldn't we find it more widely
distributed in the population?) Even if you were to assume that this
random pattern could have arisen at the same time, 3500 years ago, in two
such men among the group of proto-priests of which Aaron was a member, how
could we then explain the fact that a far greater percentage of the
population of a region of southern Anatolia (12%) has the cohen modal
haplotype than do Jews?

Joan Hartman
Sender: Joan Hartman <joanhartman@ameritech.net>


Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

CherylSimani <cherylsimani@...>
 

Have you read this article?
http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm
It is an interesting summary. However, keep in mind
that this a new and dynamic field of study.

Cheryl Simani
Sender: CherylSimani <cherylsimani@yahoo.com>


DNA Research #DNA Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

CherylSimani <cherylsimani@...>
 

Have you read this article?
http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm
It is an interesting summary. However, keep in mind
that this a new and dynamic field of study.

Cheryl Simani
Sender: CherylSimani <cherylsimani@yahoo.com>


Hebrew/Jewish given names #general

brendajf@...
 

I am totally perplexed and I am sure that a knowledgable JewishGenner will have
the answers.

1. Why are Jewish children (early 20th centure) named Manuel? Is this different
from Emanuel?
2. My "Jewish" name is Pessie Genendel bat Noah. I have three cousins, named for
the same women, with entirely different English names. One is my grandfather's
mother (Genendel) and one was my grandmother's mother (Pessie).

3. I have an uncle whose daughter insists that her father, Benjamin, had the
Jewish names of Pessie Genendel. Now comes the confusion. Genendel (my uncle's
grandmother) was still alive when he was born! My grandmother was Eastern
European (Ukraine) who, I believe, would never name one of her children after
her mother-in-law (Genendel) while the woman was alive.

Benjamin was born in 1911. Genendel died in 1922. In addition, would a man,
Benjamin, be given a woman's name, Pessie, rather than a male equivalent or
kinnui?

Brenda Freedland Pangborn
Bingham Farms, MI

Searching: FREEDLAND - Kiyev, Zhytomir
Mordechai Halevi FAXSTEIN and SHATZKIN- SHATSKY- SHATZKIS - Radomyshl and Zhytomir


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew/Jewish given names #general

brendajf@...
 

I am totally perplexed and I am sure that a knowledgable JewishGenner will have
the answers.

1. Why are Jewish children (early 20th centure) named Manuel? Is this different
from Emanuel?
2. My "Jewish" name is Pessie Genendel bat Noah. I have three cousins, named for
the same women, with entirely different English names. One is my grandfather's
mother (Genendel) and one was my grandmother's mother (Pessie).

3. I have an uncle whose daughter insists that her father, Benjamin, had the
Jewish names of Pessie Genendel. Now comes the confusion. Genendel (my uncle's
grandmother) was still alive when he was born! My grandmother was Eastern
European (Ukraine) who, I believe, would never name one of her children after
her mother-in-law (Genendel) while the woman was alive.

Benjamin was born in 1911. Genendel died in 1922. In addition, would a man,
Benjamin, be given a woman's name, Pessie, rather than a male equivalent or
kinnui?

Brenda Freedland Pangborn
Bingham Farms, MI

Searching: FREEDLAND - Kiyev, Zhytomir
Mordechai Halevi FAXSTEIN and SHATZKIN- SHATSKY- SHATZKIS - Radomyshl and Zhytomir


Jan Meisels Allen - are you there? #general

Israel P
 

Mail to Jan Meisels Allen has been returned as undeliverable.

Jan, if you are out there, please let me know how to reach you with a bit
of a report.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jan Meisels Allen - are you there? #general

Israel P
 

Mail to Jan Meisels Allen has been returned as undeliverable.

Jan, if you are out there, please let me know how to reach you with a bit
of a report.

Israel Pickholtz


Likely civil name for Aryeh Pais #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

I have found a transcription of a Great Synagogue (London) marriage
entry in 1827 for Yehuda Leib son of Aryeh Pais.

Yehuda Leib's civil name was Lewis PHILLIPS.

Are there any obvious civil name possibilities for Aryeh Pais? (And
what is the origin of the name?)

Cecilia Nyleve


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Likely civil name for Aryeh Pais #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

I have found a transcription of a Great Synagogue (London) marriage
entry in 1827 for Yehuda Leib son of Aryeh Pais.

Yehuda Leib's civil name was Lewis PHILLIPS.

Are there any obvious civil name possibilities for Aryeh Pais? (And
what is the origin of the name?)

Cecilia Nyleve


Help with unraveling 1930 census Puzzel Of Morris Gewirtzman & Samuel Mendelson-NY #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello All

I am trying to solve a puzzel of a 1930 census of my ancestor Samuel
Mendelson who has a man listed as brother but with a different name.
This man's name is Morris Gewirtzman and he was form Poland and came
over in 1923. I would love to figure out what his connection is to my
mendelson ancestors. I have recieved his naturalization records and it
states that he arrived through Ellis Island off the ship Polonia on
10/1/1923. I was hoping that there would be a Mendelson listed as
witness to his naturalization, but there is no reference. There is
listed a brother Isidore Gewirtzman as a witness.

I also located the ship manifest for Morris Gewirtzman. His name was
listed as Moszek Chmiel. Can anyone tell me how his name could so
drastically change >from that to Gewirtzman. Also according to the ships
manifest he was going to his brother Isidore not to a Mendelson. So, I
am puzzeled as to why he is listed with my great-great-uncle as a
brother on the 1930 census and rsiding in his household.

If anyone can help me solve this mystery, I would appreciate it.

Sarah Greenberg(USA)
sacredsisters3@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help with unraveling 1930 census Puzzel Of Morris Gewirtzman & Samuel Mendelson-NY #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello All

I am trying to solve a puzzel of a 1930 census of my ancestor Samuel
Mendelson who has a man listed as brother but with a different name.
This man's name is Morris Gewirtzman and he was form Poland and came
over in 1923. I would love to figure out what his connection is to my
mendelson ancestors. I have recieved his naturalization records and it
states that he arrived through Ellis Island off the ship Polonia on
10/1/1923. I was hoping that there would be a Mendelson listed as
witness to his naturalization, but there is no reference. There is
listed a brother Isidore Gewirtzman as a witness.

I also located the ship manifest for Morris Gewirtzman. His name was
listed as Moszek Chmiel. Can anyone tell me how his name could so
drastically change >from that to Gewirtzman. Also according to the ships
manifest he was going to his brother Isidore not to a Mendelson. So, I
am puzzeled as to why he is listed with my great-great-uncle as a
brother on the 1930 census and rsiding in his household.

If anyone can help me solve this mystery, I would appreciate it.

Sarah Greenberg(USA)
sacredsisters3@aol.com


Location Records of Mykolayiv #galicia

Yossi Mund <pymund@...>
 

Where are the birth and death records of Mykolayiv 1906-1942 located?
The routes-to-roots foundation apparently does not have an entry for it
(the Mikolajow/Nikolayev listed there is an enclave of Vinniki, mine is located
at 49°31'N 23°59'E, formerly in the Bobrka District), and I suppose, based on
what I found in the JRI database, that they are in Rozdol.

P. Y. Mund
pymund@yahoo.ca

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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Location Records of Mykolayiv #galicia

Yossi Mund <pymund@...>
 

Where are the birth and death records of Mykolayiv 1906-1942 located?
The routes-to-roots foundation apparently does not have an entry for it
(the Mikolajow/Nikolayev listed there is an enclave of Vinniki, mine is located
at 49°31'N 23°59'E, formerly in the Bobrka District), and I suppose, based on
what I found in the JRI database, that they are in Rozdol.

P. Y. Mund
pymund@yahoo.ca

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Re: Rare given name Eliezer LIEBER / LIBER - part II #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Yossi Mund replied to my earlier posting and I have his permission to
quote: <thank you very much for your thorough reply. After I have
received several answers, I realize that I made a great mistake in
presenting my question as I did and I was clearly misunderstood. I
meant to inquire about "Eliezer-Lieber" related to the WITTLIN
family, since by even such a name alone I cannot make a genealogical
identification.>

No, I did not misunderstand and that is why I pointed Yossi to
WITTLIN/WITLIN graves in Vienna. Altogether, with the holocaust
victims in Vienna, I can identify 12 WITTLIN/WITLIN who definitely
resided in Vienna. In the early 1930s, there was also a Gerson who
was a director of the Phoenix Insurance Co. and a Joachim who was a
portrait painter. And here are a few more [with dates of birth] who
were wealthy enough to have asset files [after end of April 1938],
bringing the total up to approx 20:

WITTLIN Emilie 20 Feb 1894
A couple:WITTLIN Wilhelm 23 Aug. 1909 and Adele 17 Sept 1916
WITTLIN Honora 16th Jan 1878
WITTLIN Jakob Karl 4th March 1871

I do not know if they came >from Lemberg, but there will be
documentation for each of these people and by researching carefully
[a time-consuming affair!] you may be able to find valuable data
about your Lemberg LIEBER family. Vienna records can be the key to
lost Galician links, as other Jewishgenners will confirm.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Rare given name Eliezer LIEBER / LIBER - part II #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Yossi Mund replied to my earlier posting and I have his permission to
quote: <thank you very much for your thorough reply. After I have
received several answers, I realize that I made a great mistake in
presenting my question as I did and I was clearly misunderstood. I
meant to inquire about "Eliezer-Lieber" related to the WITTLIN
family, since by even such a name alone I cannot make a genealogical
identification.>

No, I did not misunderstand and that is why I pointed Yossi to
WITTLIN/WITLIN graves in Vienna. Altogether, with the holocaust
victims in Vienna, I can identify 12 WITTLIN/WITLIN who definitely
resided in Vienna. In the early 1930s, there was also a Gerson who
was a director of the Phoenix Insurance Co. and a Joachim who was a
portrait painter. And here are a few more [with dates of birth] who
were wealthy enough to have asset files [after end of April 1938],
bringing the total up to approx 20:

WITTLIN Emilie 20 Feb 1894
A couple:WITTLIN Wilhelm 23 Aug. 1909 and Adele 17 Sept 1916
WITTLIN Honora 16th Jan 1878
WITTLIN Jakob Karl 4th March 1871

I do not know if they came >from Lemberg, but there will be
documentation for each of these people and by researching carefully
[a time-consuming affair!] you may be able to find valuable data
about your Lemberg LIEBER family. Vienna records can be the key to
lost Galician links, as other Jewishgenners will confirm.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Re: KLAPMAN Or KLOPMAN, Latvia #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 07:20:27 UTC, digitalphoto@icon.co.za (Anne BREST) opined:

Hallo JewishGenners
I recently found out that my Great Grandmother, Annie KLAPMAN/KLOPMAN MARCUS
came >from a place called Silmala, in Latvia. I found this name franked on
the back on an envellope addressed to her during the WW2 years, and two
Latvian Stamps on the front of the envellope. Does anyone know how I can
find out where Silmala is, and does anyone on JewishGen have any connection
to a KLAPMAN/KLOPMAN familily >from Latvia. If so, I would be interested to
hear >from you.

Anne Lapedus BREST (ex Dublin, Ireland) Sandton, S.Africa
snip >
MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen ShtetleSeeker will give you exact coordinates
and a link to a map. Go to: http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/LocTown.asp
enter the place name and choose Latvia in the Country window.
I am sure that the moderator's advice is good. If you had forgotten about
this JewishGen facility, or had never known about it, another way to find
what you want might be to do a Google search on <silmala>. Many people with
Internet access appear to be altogether unfamiliar with Google (and other
search engines), but this kind of search is an excellent and efficient way
to learn all manner of things. Opening the very first hit on the results
page taught me that Silmala Latvia is at Latitude 57.2167, Longitude
26.7000, and Altitude 141meters; also that there are about 1321 people
living within 7km of the place, and its clock is two hours east of GMT
(three hours in the summer). There are also maps and weather reports. I
didn't bother to inspect the other 771 hits, but you may well find other
information in them.

Google is your friend, and a very powerful friend it is.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: KLAPMAN Or KLOPMAN, Latvia #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 07:20:27 UTC, digitalphoto@icon.co.za (Anne BREST) opined:

Hallo JewishGenners
I recently found out that my Great Grandmother, Annie KLAPMAN/KLOPMAN MARCUS
came >from a place called Silmala, in Latvia. I found this name franked on
the back on an envellope addressed to her during the WW2 years, and two
Latvian Stamps on the front of the envellope. Does anyone know how I can
find out where Silmala is, and does anyone on JewishGen have any connection
to a KLAPMAN/KLOPMAN familily >from Latvia. If so, I would be interested to
hear >from you.

Anne Lapedus BREST (ex Dublin, Ireland) Sandton, S.Africa
snip >
MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen ShtetleSeeker will give you exact coordinates
and a link to a map. Go to: http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/LocTown.asp
enter the place name and choose Latvia in the Country window.
I am sure that the moderator's advice is good. If you had forgotten about
this JewishGen facility, or had never known about it, another way to find
what you want might be to do a Google search on <silmala>. Many people with
Internet access appear to be altogether unfamiliar with Google (and other
search engines), but this kind of search is an excellent and efficient way
to learn all manner of things. Opening the very first hit on the results
page taught me that Silmala Latvia is at Latitude 57.2167, Longitude
26.7000, and Altitude 141meters; also that there are about 1321 people
living within 7km of the place, and its clock is two hours east of GMT
(three hours in the summer). There are also maps and weather reports. I
didn't bother to inspect the other 771 hits, but you may well find other
information in them.

Google is your friend, and a very powerful friend it is.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.