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Adoption KOOPMAN/KASTNER London early 1930's? #general

Pieter Kiewiet de Jonge <p.kiewietdejonge@...>
 

Dear reader,

I am looking for possible family ties with the either the Kastner
family (originally >from Antwerp, Belgium) or the Koopman family. My
mother was adopted in London, England by a Dutch couple in the early
1930's - most probably in 1934 - and she was treated as a daughter by
the Koopman/Kastner family in The Hague, The Netherlands. Also, my
mother's appearance has strong resemblances with the Koopman/Kastner
family.

Is there anyone who has information about a Kastner or Koopman family
(or relatives there-of) in London in the early 1930's who gave up two
children for adoption (i.e. my mother and her brother)?

Thank you,

With kind regards,

P. Kiewiet de Jonge,
The Netherlands
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Adoption KOOPMAN/KASTNER London early 1930's? #general

Pieter Kiewiet de Jonge <p.kiewietdejonge@...>
 

Dear reader,

I am looking for possible family ties with the either the Kastner
family (originally >from Antwerp, Belgium) or the Koopman family. My
mother was adopted in London, England by a Dutch couple in the early
1930's - most probably in 1934 - and she was treated as a daughter by
the Koopman/Kastner family in The Hague, The Netherlands. Also, my
mother's appearance has strong resemblances with the Koopman/Kastner
family.

Is there anyone who has information about a Kastner or Koopman family
(or relatives there-of) in London in the early 1930's who gave up two
children for adoption (i.e. my mother and her brother)?

Thank you,

With kind regards,

P. Kiewiet de Jonge,
The Netherlands
Re: Is DNA testing Worthwhile? #dna

Itzhak Epstein
 

To answer the subject line's question, the obvious answer is that
for almost all (99.99%+) of the human race Y and mt DNA testing is
utterly useless. Most of the people whom I know do not care about
genealogy. Had I not been a genealogical enthusiast, my involvement
in DNA testing would also be a waste of money. Most of my family
members thinks so, though they indulge me in my chosen hobby.

As for genealogists, such testing can be useful when done
intelligently and in context. Sometimes it reinforces or disproves
hypotheses.

To illustrate the usefulness of research methods, I checked the NYC
grooms index (1866 to 1937). There were 1156 grooms whose given
name starts with "Sam" and whose surname sounds like Cohen. 622
grooms' exact name of record is "Samuel Cohen". Checking, as a
guest on Ancestry.com, I learned that there are about 32,000 "John
Smith"s on the 1910 US census. These are still very useful
resources. Some of us have researched at (or hired) eastern
European archives, and found useful genealogical information.
Others have found nothing.

Expecting much genealogical information >from HVR1+HVR2 is unwise.
It can, however, disprove relationships. If and when complete mtDNA
testing becomes more affordable, locating relatives through it may
become more feasible. My results indicate that I belong to
haplogroup K2a2a -- descended >from one of the four principal
matriarchs of Ashkenazi Jewry. I am also in touch with genealogists
whose HVR1+HVR2 matches mine and whose 19th Century relevant origins
are geographically sufficiently near mine. We will need more than
genetic testing to make the connections. This is why I am
supportive of archival research.

Itzhak Epstein
DNA Research #DNA Re: Is DNA testing Worthwhile? #dna

Itzhak Epstein
 

To answer the subject line's question, the obvious answer is that
for almost all (99.99%+) of the human race Y and mt DNA testing is
utterly useless. Most of the people whom I know do not care about
genealogy. Had I not been a genealogical enthusiast, my involvement
in DNA testing would also be a waste of money. Most of my family
members thinks so, though they indulge me in my chosen hobby.

As for genealogists, such testing can be useful when done
intelligently and in context. Sometimes it reinforces or disproves
hypotheses.

To illustrate the usefulness of research methods, I checked the NYC
grooms index (1866 to 1937). There were 1156 grooms whose given
name starts with "Sam" and whose surname sounds like Cohen. 622
grooms' exact name of record is "Samuel Cohen". Checking, as a
guest on Ancestry.com, I learned that there are about 32,000 "John
Smith"s on the 1910 US census. These are still very useful
resources. Some of us have researched at (or hired) eastern
European archives, and found useful genealogical information.
Others have found nothing.

Expecting much genealogical information >from HVR1+HVR2 is unwise.
It can, however, disprove relationships. If and when complete mtDNA
testing becomes more affordable, locating relatives through it may
become more feasible. My results indicate that I belong to
haplogroup K2a2a -- descended >from one of the four principal
matriarchs of Ashkenazi Jewry. I am also in touch with genealogists
whose HVR1+HVR2 matches mine and whose 19th Century relevant origins
are geographically sufficiently near mine. We will need more than
genetic testing to make the connections. This is why I am
supportive of archival research.

Itzhak Epstein
Re: Is DNA testing Worthwhile? #dna

Justin Loe <justinloe@...>
 

On 2008.02.23, Marshall Lemer <marshall.lerner@gmail.com> wrote:

the number of my HVR1 mtDNA matches represents just 0.2% of their
tested population and 0% of their HVR2 population. I guess that
could mean that my HVR1 "cousins" might be somewhat closely
related since we're such a rare bunch. Nope. Ditto with my
Y DNA analysis.
With respect to the usefulness of mtdna testing, rare haplogroups
can be somewhat more useful, as in your case, because the matches
are forensically rare.

DNA testing is a question of probabilistic matching. Those with
rare haplotypes, such as yourself, may wait some time for close
matches, just based on the overall frequency of their haplotypes
within the population. Remember that 100,000+ yDNA samples
represent only a small fraction of the overall diversity of ydna in
the world population.

We're only in the beginning of this scientific study, and time will
yield more information.

Justin Loe
DNA Research #DNA Re: Is DNA testing Worthwhile? #dna

Justin Loe <justinloe@...>
 

On 2008.02.23, Marshall Lemer <marshall.lerner@gmail.com> wrote:

the number of my HVR1 mtDNA matches represents just 0.2% of their
tested population and 0% of their HVR2 population. I guess that
could mean that my HVR1 "cousins" might be somewhat closely
related since we're such a rare bunch. Nope. Ditto with my
Y DNA analysis.
With respect to the usefulness of mtdna testing, rare haplogroups
can be somewhat more useful, as in your case, because the matches
are forensically rare.

DNA testing is a question of probabilistic matching. Those with
rare haplotypes, such as yourself, may wait some time for close
matches, just based on the overall frequency of their haplotypes
within the population. Remember that 100,000+ yDNA samples
represent only a small fraction of the overall diversity of ydna in
the world population.

We're only in the beginning of this scientific study, and time will
yield more information.

Justin Loe
request: photos at Edmonton Federation Cemetery, London #poland

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

I've confirmed with their descendants in the north of England that the
following two individuals are >from the ROZENSZTEJN/ROSENSTEIN family
I've been researching >from Janowa (near Mlawa).

I am ordering death certificates online >from England but am most anxious
to obtain pictures of their gravestones to get the parents' Hebrew names.

Edmonton Federation Cemetery, London

Davis (Dawid) Rosenstein, Plot P-44, d. 12/25/1924
Rebecca (Basia) Rosenstein, Plot P-31, d. 3/22/1947

Is there anyone in the London area who will be visiting the cemetery in
the near future who would be able to get photos of these two for me?

Thanks,

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.
JRI Poland #Poland request: photos at Edmonton Federation Cemetery, London #poland

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

I've confirmed with their descendants in the north of England that the
following two individuals are >from the ROZENSZTEJN/ROSENSTEIN family
I've been researching >from Janowa (near Mlawa).

I am ordering death certificates online >from England but am most anxious
to obtain pictures of their gravestones to get the parents' Hebrew names.

Edmonton Federation Cemetery, London

Davis (Dawid) Rosenstein, Plot P-44, d. 12/25/1924
Rebecca (Basia) Rosenstein, Plot P-31, d. 3/22/1947

Is there anyone in the London area who will be visiting the cemetery in
the near future who would be able to get photos of these two for me?

Thanks,

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.
Disseminating genealogical information to family members #general

Dorothy Harper <dorothyharper17@...>
 

I have a dilemma. In the past you genners have come to my aid concerning
my problems with organizing, brick walls, burn out, you have advised me,
you have taken me under your wings on many occasions, looking for
ancestors that I gave up on, finding records, documents, one of you
even purchased my grandpas death certificate in Toronto for me
(and refusing my offer to pay you back). You have translated for me,
you have shared information; you have given me hope.

Now I have another conundrum. I am aging rapidly. I will celebrate my
72nd birthday in June and I know that I should live forever if the
old saying that only the good die young is true, but this last year I have
lost close relatives and friends and I have a feeling that I, too,
may die some day.

My 15 years of genealogy, starting with Version 2 of Family Tree Maker
and about 20 surnames has grown to almost 350 surnames with Version 16.
I remember someone mentioning some time ago that we should all back up
our family trees and put a CD in a safety deposit box. Since I live in
California with earthquakes, fires, floods and landslides the thought of
losing all the information that I have gleaned over the years terrified me
and I did as I was advised.

The daughter of one of my cousins on my dads side of the family
volunteered to carry on after I am gone... I sent her a backed up
copy of my Family Tree Maker a few years ago.

Now I realize that this cousin on my paternal side would probably
not be interested in researching people on my husbands paternal or
maternal side. She would probably be interested in researching ancestors
close to her and her husband.

I am now in the process of printing out kinship reports for my four
branches starting with the oldest ancestor that I have validated and
working down.

Some cousins spouses have access to their particular family histories,
thus they could add the information I have gleaned combining their
families.

I am prepared to update as much as I possibly can and copy out my FTM
backup as of March 1, 2008 on CDs. I would write a letter explaining
my wish and include their particular kinship reports. Most of these
chosen cousins are young; they have careers, jobs, and children.
I am retired and I have the time to sit in front of the computer for hours.
I would write a letter explaining my wish that they carry on searching
in the future when they feel they have the time and stamina.

Now I need your input. Have any of you done this? Is there an
easier less complicated way of doing this?

Dorothy Harper, CA

Researching: KAPLAN/METTER Belarus; ROSENBERG/ROZENBERG
Skaryszew Poland and Paris France; HOCHBERG Galicia, Bobrka,
Lvov; MOSSOWITZ/MOSS Russian, probably Lithuania.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Disseminating genealogical information to family members #general

Dorothy Harper <dorothyharper17@...>
 

I have a dilemma. In the past you genners have come to my aid concerning
my problems with organizing, brick walls, burn out, you have advised me,
you have taken me under your wings on many occasions, looking for
ancestors that I gave up on, finding records, documents, one of you
even purchased my grandpas death certificate in Toronto for me
(and refusing my offer to pay you back). You have translated for me,
you have shared information; you have given me hope.

Now I have another conundrum. I am aging rapidly. I will celebrate my
72nd birthday in June and I know that I should live forever if the
old saying that only the good die young is true, but this last year I have
lost close relatives and friends and I have a feeling that I, too,
may die some day.

My 15 years of genealogy, starting with Version 2 of Family Tree Maker
and about 20 surnames has grown to almost 350 surnames with Version 16.
I remember someone mentioning some time ago that we should all back up
our family trees and put a CD in a safety deposit box. Since I live in
California with earthquakes, fires, floods and landslides the thought of
losing all the information that I have gleaned over the years terrified me
and I did as I was advised.

The daughter of one of my cousins on my dads side of the family
volunteered to carry on after I am gone... I sent her a backed up
copy of my Family Tree Maker a few years ago.

Now I realize that this cousin on my paternal side would probably
not be interested in researching people on my husbands paternal or
maternal side. She would probably be interested in researching ancestors
close to her and her husband.

I am now in the process of printing out kinship reports for my four
branches starting with the oldest ancestor that I have validated and
working down.

Some cousins spouses have access to their particular family histories,
thus they could add the information I have gleaned combining their
families.

I am prepared to update as much as I possibly can and copy out my FTM
backup as of March 1, 2008 on CDs. I would write a letter explaining
my wish and include their particular kinship reports. Most of these
chosen cousins are young; they have careers, jobs, and children.
I am retired and I have the time to sit in front of the computer for hours.
I would write a letter explaining my wish that they carry on searching
in the future when they feel they have the time and stamina.

Now I need your input. Have any of you done this? Is there an
easier less complicated way of doing this?

Dorothy Harper, CA

Researching: KAPLAN/METTER Belarus; ROSENBERG/ROZENBERG
Skaryszew Poland and Paris France; HOCHBERG Galicia, Bobrka,
Lvov; MOSSOWITZ/MOSS Russian, probably Lithuania.
GORDIN family from Latvia (Liepaja?) #general

Mark Rybak
 

Hello! I am looking for any information about the GORDIN family.
This is what is known:

Morduch (Mark) GORDIN - the head of the family
Esther GORDIN (nee SCHEPSCHELEVITCH) - his wife
Nikolai (b. 1888) probably in Liepaja, Latvia, killed by nazis in 1941
in Tallinn, Estonia - the son
Anna (b. 1892) probably in Liepaja, Latvia, lived in Tallinn, Estonia.
Probably killed by nazis in 1941/2 - the daugther
Leopold (b. 1893) probably in Liepaja, Latvia, lived in Estonia and in
UK - the son
Dora (b. probably 1895 in Liepaja, d. 1991 in London) - the famous
sculptor - the daughter

Would appreciate any additional information.
Mark Rybak, Israel
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GORDIN family from Latvia (Liepaja?) #general

Mark Rybak
 

Hello! I am looking for any information about the GORDIN family.
This is what is known:

Morduch (Mark) GORDIN - the head of the family
Esther GORDIN (nee SCHEPSCHELEVITCH) - his wife
Nikolai (b. 1888) probably in Liepaja, Latvia, killed by nazis in 1941
in Tallinn, Estonia - the son
Anna (b. 1892) probably in Liepaja, Latvia, lived in Tallinn, Estonia.
Probably killed by nazis in 1941/2 - the daugther
Leopold (b. 1893) probably in Liepaja, Latvia, lived in Estonia and in
UK - the son
Dora (b. probably 1895 in Liepaja, d. 1991 in London) - the famous
sculptor - the daughter

Would appreciate any additional information.
Mark Rybak, Israel
More help needed with CHATZANSKY search #general

Vivian308@...
 

First, I'd like to thank those who answered me privately. Barbara Zimmer
provided me with a clue I had missed for 6 years! She told me that the ship's
manifest said that my grandfather and family were going to a brother or
brother-in-law, named CHAZANOWSKY at 30 Hope Street in Brooklyn.
I had never noticed a name or an address written in that column on
the manifest before! CHATZANSKY was misspelled as CHAYONOWSKY on the
manifest, so I assume the person they were going to was my grandfather's
brother.

So, now that I know my great-uncle did in fact come to this country
(or, did anyone ever make up that information in order to get on the
ship?) I had someone look in the Brooklyn Public Library in the City
Directories for 1910, 1912, and 1913. Unfortunately, no one with a name
similar to my relative could be found. There is a gap in the directories
after 1913 until 1933.

I tried looking, via Ancestry, in the Censuses, with no luck there either.
There is a 1915 New York Census that I can order >from the Family History
Library, but by 1915 they may have moved. This relative may be the one
who ended up in Canada (he was a cantor), but I don't know where or when.

I've done searches of the EIDB and can't find anyone who might be this
relative except for one Josel Chazanowsky. He was supposed to come on
12/6/09 but his name was crossed off because he was not on board.

My family came on July 29, 1913 on the ship, S. S. Gothland, >from Antwerp.
There were 8 family members in all who traveled together. I would like
to know if the first initial of the brother whom they were going to,
at 30 Hope Street, looks like a "J" or could it be another letter?
Also, does it say the name of the friend they had in Kiev?

So, where can I go >from here? I thought I was getting somewhere,
but what can I do when it's a dead end?

Thanks in advance for any more clues and/or suggestions.

Vivian Finkelstein
Vivian308@aol.com
USA

Searching: CHATZANSKY/CHAZANOWSKY/CHECANSKY >from Kiev
PASIMANIK/PASSMAN >from Vilna
LEWIN/LEVIN/LEVINE >from Lutsin, Latvia
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen More help needed with CHATZANSKY search #general

Vivian308@...
 

First, I'd like to thank those who answered me privately. Barbara Zimmer
provided me with a clue I had missed for 6 years! She told me that the ship's
manifest said that my grandfather and family were going to a brother or
brother-in-law, named CHAZANOWSKY at 30 Hope Street in Brooklyn.
I had never noticed a name or an address written in that column on
the manifest before! CHATZANSKY was misspelled as CHAYONOWSKY on the
manifest, so I assume the person they were going to was my grandfather's
brother.

So, now that I know my great-uncle did in fact come to this country
(or, did anyone ever make up that information in order to get on the
ship?) I had someone look in the Brooklyn Public Library in the City
Directories for 1910, 1912, and 1913. Unfortunately, no one with a name
similar to my relative could be found. There is a gap in the directories
after 1913 until 1933.

I tried looking, via Ancestry, in the Censuses, with no luck there either.
There is a 1915 New York Census that I can order >from the Family History
Library, but by 1915 they may have moved. This relative may be the one
who ended up in Canada (he was a cantor), but I don't know where or when.

I've done searches of the EIDB and can't find anyone who might be this
relative except for one Josel Chazanowsky. He was supposed to come on
12/6/09 but his name was crossed off because he was not on board.

My family came on July 29, 1913 on the ship, S. S. Gothland, >from Antwerp.
There were 8 family members in all who traveled together. I would like
to know if the first initial of the brother whom they were going to,
at 30 Hope Street, looks like a "J" or could it be another letter?
Also, does it say the name of the friend they had in Kiev?

So, where can I go >from here? I thought I was getting somewhere,
but what can I do when it's a dead end?

Thanks in advance for any more clues and/or suggestions.

Vivian Finkelstein
Vivian308@aol.com
USA

Searching: CHATZANSKY/CHAZANOWSKY/CHECANSKY >from Kiev
PASIMANIK/PASSMAN >from Vilna
LEWIN/LEVIN/LEVINE >from Lutsin, Latvia
Shimon Schoihet, creator of Hotin ShtetLink #general

Avraham Y. K. <435.gavea@...>
 

I couldn't find Shimon's SHOIHET's contact information
on the web site,
if any one has contact with him please advise.

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Hotin/hotin.html

Avraham Yehoshua Kahana,
Rio de Janeiro,
Brazil

Seeking:
Poland (Zychlin, Wiskitki, Warszawa), Lithuania/Belarus/surroundings:
KANO (KAHANA), SZCZUCZYNIER, SOCHACZEWSKI, SKROBEK, TZUKERKORN,
HORCHSTEIN, RAIDZWILLER
Romania, Moldova (Chisinau[Kishinev], Calarasi[Kalarash]):
GIVERTS, ROSEMARIN, FRAIMAN
Ukraine (Sokiryany[Secureni], Ozeve[Ojeva], Briceva[Brischev]):
SCHECHTMAN, TSIPERSTEIN, BERENSTEIN, KOIFMAN, TRACHTENBERG, VAISENBERG, BARAFF
Remote connections, still of my interest:
Romania, Ukraine:
BRANDT, SHOIKHET, GUN, LAZAROVITZ
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shimon Schoihet, creator of Hotin ShtetLink #general

Avraham Y. K. <435.gavea@...>
 

I couldn't find Shimon's SHOIHET's contact information
on the web site,
if any one has contact with him please advise.

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Hotin/hotin.html

Avraham Yehoshua Kahana,
Rio de Janeiro,
Brazil

Seeking:
Poland (Zychlin, Wiskitki, Warszawa), Lithuania/Belarus/surroundings:
KANO (KAHANA), SZCZUCZYNIER, SOCHACZEWSKI, SKROBEK, TZUKERKORN,
HORCHSTEIN, RAIDZWILLER
Romania, Moldova (Chisinau[Kishinev], Calarasi[Kalarash]):
GIVERTS, ROSEMARIN, FRAIMAN
Ukraine (Sokiryany[Secureni], Ozeve[Ojeva], Briceva[Brischev]):
SCHECHTMAN, TSIPERSTEIN, BERENSTEIN, KOIFMAN, TRACHTENBERG, VAISENBERG, BARAFF
Remote connections, still of my interest:
Romania, Ukraine:
BRANDT, SHOIKHET, GUN, LAZAROVITZ
R' Shlomo TANNENBAUM's Family #rabbinic

RACHEL BLONDER <blonder@...>
 

Hi,

R' Shlomo TANNENBAUM, the brother of R' Zev Wolf, the author of
"Rechovos Honahar" (Rechovoth Hanahar), had twin sons R' Aron and
R' Yehuda Leib b.1845 (R' Aron Passed away in 1783).

Members of the family claim that R' Shlomo's wife was Rivka. If this
is correct then I would like to know who was Esther? The name Esther
comes up often in the TANNENBAUM family. R' Aron TANNENBAUM had a
granddaughter named Esther. Yehuda Leib had a daughter Esther.

I would appreciate obviously any information on the TANNENBAUMs but
these are some of my questions:

Where did the name Esther originate in the TANNENBAUM family?
When did Rivka Eishes (the wife of) R' Shlomo pass away?
What was the name of R' Yechiel Mechil Gedalya SCHWARTZ' wife?
(She was R' Aron and R' Yehuda Leib Tannenbaum's sister.)

I would appreciate any information regarding the TANNENBAUMs and of
course I would gladly share the information that I have.

Thank you.
Rachel Blonder
A Tannenbaum descendant
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic R' Shlomo TANNENBAUM's Family #rabbinic

RACHEL BLONDER <blonder@...>
 

Hi,

R' Shlomo TANNENBAUM, the brother of R' Zev Wolf, the author of
"Rechovos Honahar" (Rechovoth Hanahar), had twin sons R' Aron and
R' Yehuda Leib b.1845 (R' Aron Passed away in 1783).

Members of the family claim that R' Shlomo's wife was Rivka. If this
is correct then I would like to know who was Esther? The name Esther
comes up often in the TANNENBAUM family. R' Aron TANNENBAUM had a
granddaughter named Esther. Yehuda Leib had a daughter Esther.

I would appreciate obviously any information on the TANNENBAUMs but
these are some of my questions:

Where did the name Esther originate in the TANNENBAUM family?
When did Rivka Eishes (the wife of) R' Shlomo pass away?
What was the name of R' Yechiel Mechil Gedalya SCHWARTZ' wife?
(She was R' Aron and R' Yehuda Leib Tannenbaum's sister.)

I would appreciate any information regarding the TANNENBAUMs and of
course I would gladly share the information that I have.

Thank you.
Rachel Blonder
A Tannenbaum descendant
Mormons Lviv microfilms #galicia

Reuven Liebes <reuvel@...>
 

from "The Galitzianer" February 2008 issue: "the Mormons have
microfilmed all of the vital record books held in the Lviv archive;
these films are available at the Family History Library in Salt
Lake City, and at your local Family History Centre by special order
for a small fee."

I am living in Israel. How can I reach these microfilms?

Reuven Liebes
Haifa, Israel
reuvel@gmail.com
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Mormons Lviv microfilms #galicia

Reuven Liebes <reuvel@...>
 

from "The Galitzianer" February 2008 issue: "the Mormons have
microfilmed all of the vital record books held in the Lviv archive;
these films are available at the Family History Library in Salt
Lake City, and at your local Family History Centre by special order
for a small fee."

I am living in Israel. How can I reach these microfilms?

Reuven Liebes
Haifa, Israel
reuvel@gmail.com
280761 - 280780 of 668667