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Cemetery photos - Mt Zion #general

Alison Cronson <acronson@...>
 

I have recently discovered several relatives who are buried in Mt. Zion cemetery.
If anyone is taking a trip out there and wouldn't mind taking a few extra
pictures for me, I would be happy to reimburse you for your time and trouble. The
photos can be digital and sent via email or actual film (I will reimburse for
these)and mailed to me.

These are the gravestones I need pictures of :

Harris LOCKWOOD buried 11/1 1913 Dwinsk Society, Path 5R

Samuel LOCKWOOD BURIED 11/1/1919 Judah-1 Society, Path 10L

If there are additional family members buried with these individuals,
that would be great to know and to have pictures of as well.
Please respond privately to my email directly.

Thanks,
Alison Cronson


Samuel SACKS AND Pauline FRIEDMAN #general

Diane De Milt
 

We are looking for the marriage certificate of Samuel SACKS and Pauline
FRIEDMAN, between 1917 and 1920 in Brooklyn, NY. Italian genealogy does not have
those dates listed. Does anyone have any idea on how to find this information?
Thank you
Diane De Milt
#198023
(mailto:Deech10@aol.com)
Tucson, Arizon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cemetery photos - Mt Zion #general

Alison Cronson <acronson@...>
 

I have recently discovered several relatives who are buried in Mt. Zion cemetery.
If anyone is taking a trip out there and wouldn't mind taking a few extra
pictures for me, I would be happy to reimburse you for your time and trouble. The
photos can be digital and sent via email or actual film (I will reimburse for
these)and mailed to me.

These are the gravestones I need pictures of :

Harris LOCKWOOD buried 11/1 1913 Dwinsk Society, Path 5R

Samuel LOCKWOOD BURIED 11/1/1919 Judah-1 Society, Path 10L

If there are additional family members buried with these individuals,
that would be great to know and to have pictures of as well.
Please respond privately to my email directly.

Thanks,
Alison Cronson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Samuel SACKS AND Pauline FRIEDMAN #general

Diane De Milt
 

We are looking for the marriage certificate of Samuel SACKS and Pauline
FRIEDMAN, between 1917 and 1920 in Brooklyn, NY. Italian genealogy does not have
those dates listed. Does anyone have any idea on how to find this information?
Thank you
Diane De Milt
#198023
(mailto:Deech10@aol.com)
Tucson, Arizon


re; 166 Educational Websites about the Holocaust #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I was most interested to see the 166 educational holocaust sites Jacob Richman
has compiled: http://www.jr.co.il/hotsites/j-holoc.htm

I hope that before May 1st 2008, the total will rise to 167 with the addition
of my site: Holocaust memorials - public and private
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157603905805036/

The emphasis is on memorials associated with Austria notably Vienna;
Mauthausen; Burgenland; Czech Republic {Bohemia & Moravia} and places closely
associated with the destruction of Jewish communities in these areas as well as
Hungary.
These areas seem to be largely absent >from Jacob's list. I have also included
private memorials on tombstones. Holocaust victims are often cited on graves in
Vienna. You can see examples of private grief and how it was expressed on
family tombstones as well as two Gestapo documents.

I have "unfortunately" many more photos to add to it but it all takes time! The
next batch of photographs will be added in June.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Financial "Tip" to Cemetery Maintenance Person in Poland #general

roe kard
 

I have been asked about giving a financial "tip" to the person who
maintains the Jewish cemetery, and opens it to visitors, in a small
town about 80 miles >from Krakow within Poland. I told the person that
I do think it appropriate to compensate the caretaker but that I have
no idea about the amount that is appropriate, especially in light of
our dollar which is a bit "fahkocked."

Anyone have any thoughts on this issue of tipping and/or on amount of
appropriate "gratitude tip?"

B'shalom,
karen roekard
aka gitel chaye Eta rosenfeld rokart


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re; 166 Educational Websites about the Holocaust #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I was most interested to see the 166 educational holocaust sites Jacob Richman
has compiled: http://www.jr.co.il/hotsites/j-holoc.htm

I hope that before May 1st 2008, the total will rise to 167 with the addition
of my site: Holocaust memorials - public and private
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157603905805036/

The emphasis is on memorials associated with Austria notably Vienna;
Mauthausen; Burgenland; Czech Republic {Bohemia & Moravia} and places closely
associated with the destruction of Jewish communities in these areas as well as
Hungary.
These areas seem to be largely absent >from Jacob's list. I have also included
private memorials on tombstones. Holocaust victims are often cited on graves in
Vienna. You can see examples of private grief and how it was expressed on
family tombstones as well as two Gestapo documents.

I have "unfortunately" many more photos to add to it but it all takes time! The
next batch of photographs will be added in June.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Financial "Tip" to Cemetery Maintenance Person in Poland #general

roe kard
 

I have been asked about giving a financial "tip" to the person who
maintains the Jewish cemetery, and opens it to visitors, in a small
town about 80 miles >from Krakow within Poland. I told the person that
I do think it appropriate to compensate the caretaker but that I have
no idea about the amount that is appropriate, especially in light of
our dollar which is a bit "fahkocked."

Anyone have any thoughts on this issue of tipping and/or on amount of
appropriate "gratitude tip?"

B'shalom,
karen roekard
aka gitel chaye Eta rosenfeld rokart


Re: Genetic Distance: 3 #dna

Bob Kosovsky
 

Thanks to everyone for the responses. I was able to compare my
Y-DNA DYS markers to that of the "genetic distance 3" person. Sure
enough, there was a difference (mutation) within the first 12
markers, so I now understand that disqualified him >from showing up
in my list of people with the 12-marker match. Beyond the 12
markers we were extremely similar.

This stuff is fascinating. Maybe years >from now much more of the
population will have had DNA testing and we can get a really good
sense of span of time between mutations. and other stuff.

With thanks to all,

Bob Kosovsky


DNA Research #DNA re: Genetic Distance: 3 #dna

Bob Kosovsky
 

Thanks to everyone for the responses. I was able to compare my
Y-DNA DYS markers to that of the "genetic distance 3" person. Sure
enough, there was a difference (mutation) within the first 12
markers, so I now understand that disqualified him >from showing up
in my list of people with the 12-marker match. Beyond the 12
markers we were extremely similar.

This stuff is fascinating. Maybe years >from now much more of the
population will have had DNA testing and we can get a really good
sense of span of time between mutations. and other stuff.

With thanks to all,

Bob Kosovsky


Genetic Distance: 3 #dna

Robert Neu
 

On 2008.04.28, Bob Kosovsky <kos@panix.com> asked:

I hope someone can explain [...]
For 12 markers, I have 12 "exact" matches.
For 25 markers, I have just 3 "exact" matches [...]
For 37 markers, no one is exact; instead it lists 4 people:
[...] the puzzling thing is that the person listed as genetic distance
3 is not a person who shows up on my 12 marker match, or anywhere else
of my Y-DNA matches.
from 25 to 37 is 12 additional markers. So if more than 3 of the 12
were different with the other people they will not be listed as a 1.
2 or 3 markers difference They would not appear either as exact, 1.
2, or 3 markers difference. You do not say if the ones listed at 37
are or are not on the 12 or 25 list. So I suppose they were, and
simply the 12 new markers were the same for them. The 12 listing
does not list the 3 difference markers, as probably there would be
too many and 25% difference is not significant at 12 markers.

Robert Neu


DNA Research #DNA Genetic Distance: 3 #dna

Robert Neu
 

On 2008.04.28, Bob Kosovsky <kos@panix.com> asked:

I hope someone can explain [...]
For 12 markers, I have 12 "exact" matches.
For 25 markers, I have just 3 "exact" matches [...]
For 37 markers, no one is exact; instead it lists 4 people:
[...] the puzzling thing is that the person listed as genetic distance
3 is not a person who shows up on my 12 marker match, or anywhere else
of my Y-DNA matches.
from 25 to 37 is 12 additional markers. So if more than 3 of the 12
were different with the other people they will not be listed as a 1.
2 or 3 markers difference They would not appear either as exact, 1.
2, or 3 markers difference. You do not say if the ones listed at 37
are or are not on the 12 or 25 list. So I suppose they were, and
simply the 12 new markers were the same for them. The 12 listing
does not list the 3 difference markers, as probably there would be
too many and 25% difference is not significant at 12 markers.

Robert Neu


The Lowicz Residents Association in Israel #general

Avraham Y. Kahana
 

I am searching the whereabouts of the extinguished Lowicz/Lubich
Residents Association (something like "Irgun HaIotzei Lubicz" in
hebrew) in Israel. The Yad Vashem testimonial pages I found submitted
by this institution doesn't tell the address, but there's the name of
the submitter: David Golumb.

In case anyone has anything to share about either the association or
the submitter, please reply privately. Any info is appreciated.

Thanks
Avraham Yehoshua Kahana
Raanana
Israel


Re: Itinerant Cantors #general

MBernet@...
 

<<My question is, was it usual or unusual for a cantor to apparently
be so itinerant? How did cantors get their positions in those days,
anyway? By audition? Family connections? Could they be
dismissed by a congregation? Could they leave to take a better job
elsewhere? >>

Generally speaking, European Jews tended to train their sons to
follow in their occupations. When the family trade was being a
synagogue cantor, the son would be expected to find a position in
another community. (I am sure there were some rare occasions
where father and son, or two brothers, shared an Omed, but that
would have had to be in a large and wealthy community.)

For this reason, cantors (and rabbis) were among the most mobile
of Jewish breadwinners, their sons spreading around much of the
continent. Sometimes, when an office holder retired or died, his son
may have been invited to return and fill his father's place. In general,
rabbis and cantors were selected by a congregation based on his
reputation. He was hired by the congregation and could be fired by
them, and he might leave when he found a better paying position, or
experienced conflict with his shtelle, or just got bored. Some might
move for the opportunity to have further musical training or to
teach their craft.

Remember that a chazan had to be not just a good singer but also
knowledgeable about the prayers, the laws concerning prayers, and the
standard tunes associated with the various occasions and festivals.

Generally, a cantor (and a rabbi) would be invited to a congregation to
conduct the services on a specific Shabbat [it was known as a Probe,
bron pro-beh, i.e. a tryout], and perhaps be heard by a selection committee
on the Sunday. That essentially is how it's still done today.

The cantor's job is not a fully delineated in most cases as that of a rabbi.
Where secular governments in Europe often had to give their consent
for the hiring of rabbis and of Jewish teachers, they generally did not make
such demands for cantors.

In Germany in the 18th and 19th centuries, communities would hire a
Judenlehrer (Jew-teacher) to teach at the school for Jewish children. The
Judenlehrer was generally trained also as a cantor, a shochet, and a mohel,
and was, in effect, the authority for Jewish life in the village, under the
supervision of the district rabbi.

Michael Bernet, New York
mbernet@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Lowicz Residents Association in Israel #general

Avraham Y. Kahana
 

I am searching the whereabouts of the extinguished Lowicz/Lubich
Residents Association (something like "Irgun HaIotzei Lubicz" in
hebrew) in Israel. The Yad Vashem testimonial pages I found submitted
by this institution doesn't tell the address, but there's the name of
the submitter: David Golumb.

In case anyone has anything to share about either the association or
the submitter, please reply privately. Any info is appreciated.

Thanks
Avraham Yehoshua Kahana
Raanana
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Itinerant Cantors #general

MBernet@...
 

<<My question is, was it usual or unusual for a cantor to apparently
be so itinerant? How did cantors get their positions in those days,
anyway? By audition? Family connections? Could they be
dismissed by a congregation? Could they leave to take a better job
elsewhere? >>

Generally speaking, European Jews tended to train their sons to
follow in their occupations. When the family trade was being a
synagogue cantor, the son would be expected to find a position in
another community. (I am sure there were some rare occasions
where father and son, or two brothers, shared an Omed, but that
would have had to be in a large and wealthy community.)

For this reason, cantors (and rabbis) were among the most mobile
of Jewish breadwinners, their sons spreading around much of the
continent. Sometimes, when an office holder retired or died, his son
may have been invited to return and fill his father's place. In general,
rabbis and cantors were selected by a congregation based on his
reputation. He was hired by the congregation and could be fired by
them, and he might leave when he found a better paying position, or
experienced conflict with his shtelle, or just got bored. Some might
move for the opportunity to have further musical training or to
teach their craft.

Remember that a chazan had to be not just a good singer but also
knowledgeable about the prayers, the laws concerning prayers, and the
standard tunes associated with the various occasions and festivals.

Generally, a cantor (and a rabbi) would be invited to a congregation to
conduct the services on a specific Shabbat [it was known as a Probe,
bron pro-beh, i.e. a tryout], and perhaps be heard by a selection committee
on the Sunday. That essentially is how it's still done today.

The cantor's job is not a fully delineated in most cases as that of a rabbi.
Where secular governments in Europe often had to give their consent
for the hiring of rabbis and of Jewish teachers, they generally did not make
such demands for cantors.

In Germany in the 18th and 19th centuries, communities would hire a
Judenlehrer (Jew-teacher) to teach at the school for Jewish children. The
Judenlehrer was generally trained also as a cantor, a shochet, and a mohel,
and was, in effect, the authority for Jewish life in the village, under the
supervision of the district rabbi.

Michael Bernet, New York
mbernet@aol.com


Family SANDLER in South Africa #general

Daniel Gleek
 

Dear Genners,
I am looking for brothers Lionel and Abraham SANDLER
Born in about 1925/1930, they would now be in their 70s.
Their parents were Sam and Rachel and were married in Johannesburg.
Thank you,
Daniel in London
daniel@lobbus.co.uk

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family SANDLER in South Africa #general

Daniel Gleek
 

Dear Genners,
I am looking for brothers Lionel and Abraham SANDLER
Born in about 1925/1930, they would now be in their 70s.
Their parents were Sam and Rachel and were married in Johannesburg.
Thank you,
Daniel in London
daniel@lobbus.co.uk

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Arrivals from London to NY #general

David Syner
 

Still looking for my ggm sisters, brothers and mothers arrival or departure
information with not much success. I am reaching out to some of the lucky
searchers for assistance what I might been missing.

I found her coming into Canada with her husband. All the rumors are the
rest of them came into NY >from London.

This is what I know:
Sister: Louis HOROWITZ (might have UNTERSLAG before arrival in 1906) b.1881
was married (I think in London or back in Russia: Polsk/ Polotska or some
where close by) to Rebecca GORDON (might have been SALOWEI) b.1887.
Their Twin Sons were born in England 1906, one died on the ship (do not
know that baby's name) the other son's name was Sam.

Sister: Dora GORDON b. 1891 arrival 1909
Sister: Sarah GORDON b.1899 arrival 1909
Son: Harry GORDON b.1882 arrival 1908
Son: Herman/Hyman GORDON b1900 arrival: 1909
mother: Fanny GORDON (maiden name RACHATAN/RACHIDSON) arrived as a widow
b.1860 arrival 1906.

I've searched and searched..
Thanks in advance.

David Syner
Los Angeles, CA
Dsyner@sbcglobal.net

Family website
Www.davidsyner.com

Researching
SYNER/SINER/ZINNER New York, Russia SCHMALTZ New York, Detroit Luna,Grodno,Stoll,
Rudman, Carbella ;Russia,SCHULTZ/SMALL Detroit, New York,Memphis, TN, AVES, Russia
POUSNER, Russia BERLIN Detroit, Poland,NEWMAN/NEIMAN/NUONAW Detroit, Kras;Poland,
MELTZER, Detroit, Russia DEITCH, Russia RACHATAN/RACHIDSON, Russia GORDON
New York, Detroit London, Polotska, Polsk BELIAK/ BIELAK/BELAK Toronta, Canada,
Breslaw,Slobotka, Riga, Dwinsk, Israel SALOWEI, London, Polotska AMDUR, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Arrivals from London to NY #general

David Syner
 

Still looking for my ggm sisters, brothers and mothers arrival or departure
information with not much success. I am reaching out to some of the lucky
searchers for assistance what I might been missing.

I found her coming into Canada with her husband. All the rumors are the
rest of them came into NY >from London.

This is what I know:
Sister: Louis HOROWITZ (might have UNTERSLAG before arrival in 1906) b.1881
was married (I think in London or back in Russia: Polsk/ Polotska or some
where close by) to Rebecca GORDON (might have been SALOWEI) b.1887.
Their Twin Sons were born in England 1906, one died on the ship (do not
know that baby's name) the other son's name was Sam.

Sister: Dora GORDON b. 1891 arrival 1909
Sister: Sarah GORDON b.1899 arrival 1909
Son: Harry GORDON b.1882 arrival 1908
Son: Herman/Hyman GORDON b1900 arrival: 1909
mother: Fanny GORDON (maiden name RACHATAN/RACHIDSON) arrived as a widow
b.1860 arrival 1906.

I've searched and searched..
Thanks in advance.

David Syner
Los Angeles, CA
Dsyner@sbcglobal.net

Family website
Www.davidsyner.com

Researching
SYNER/SINER/ZINNER New York, Russia SCHMALTZ New York, Detroit Luna,Grodno,Stoll,
Rudman, Carbella ;Russia,SCHULTZ/SMALL Detroit, New York,Memphis, TN, AVES, Russia
POUSNER, Russia BERLIN Detroit, Poland,NEWMAN/NEIMAN/NUONAW Detroit, Kras;Poland,
MELTZER, Detroit, Russia DEITCH, Russia RACHATAN/RACHIDSON, Russia GORDON
New York, Detroit London, Polotska, Polsk BELIAK/ BIELAK/BELAK Toronta, Canada,
Breslaw,Slobotka, Riga, Dwinsk, Israel SALOWEI, London, Polotska AMDUR, Israel