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Looking for descendants of Jake GOLDSTEIN #general

Giorgetti Operetta Spettacoli <giorgetti@...>
 

I have had quite a few good "hits" looking for my grandmother Rebecca Steigman's
family, particularly with Steigman, Grossman, Lubarsky and Skolar, so now I'll try
a long shot! My grandmother's brother Israel Steigman(born in Krasilov, Jan. 1889)
had 3 children: Belle, Mollie and Erwin, all born in NYC. Belle Steigman married
Jake GOLDSTEIN and in 1942 they were living at ** Bay Parkway in Brooklyn. I
believe they had two children. Mollie Steigman married ?? FROMMER, and I believe
they too had 2 children. Does anyone know of their descenants, or better yet, I'm
hoping that they too are looking for "cousins". Any help will be appreciated.
Jean Bennett Giorgetti
Family names: Steigman,Skolar,Lubarsky,Sherad, Shohet,Grossman, Bauman, Saffrin,
Frommer,Goldstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Please use all capital letters only for surnames. For the exact
address on Bay Parkway, please contact Jean directly.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for descendants of Jake GOLDSTEIN #general

Giorgetti Operetta Spettacoli <giorgetti@...>
 

I have had quite a few good "hits" looking for my grandmother Rebecca Steigman's
family, particularly with Steigman, Grossman, Lubarsky and Skolar, so now I'll try
a long shot! My grandmother's brother Israel Steigman(born in Krasilov, Jan. 1889)
had 3 children: Belle, Mollie and Erwin, all born in NYC. Belle Steigman married
Jake GOLDSTEIN and in 1942 they were living at ** Bay Parkway in Brooklyn. I
believe they had two children. Mollie Steigman married ?? FROMMER, and I believe
they too had 2 children. Does anyone know of their descenants, or better yet, I'm
hoping that they too are looking for "cousins". Any help will be appreciated.
Jean Bennett Giorgetti
Family names: Steigman,Skolar,Lubarsky,Sherad, Shohet,Grossman, Bauman, Saffrin,
Frommer,Goldstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Please use all capital letters only for surnames. For the exact
address on Bay Parkway, please contact Jean directly.


Re: More about using Y-DNA testing #dna

Ivan Sindell <isindell@...>
 

A genetic researcher statistician at Arthur Anderson in Houston told me
there are not enough markers in any of the current tests. I asked him in
their research how many markers they use.

The answer: 1,000,000

So I have been hesitant to pay for any tests.

Ivan Sindell


DNA Research #DNA RE: More about using Y-DNA testing #dna

Ivan Sindell <isindell@...>
 

A genetic researcher statistician at Arthur Anderson in Houston told me
there are not enough markers in any of the current tests. I asked him in
their research how many markers they use.

The answer: 1,000,000

So I have been hesitant to pay for any tests.

Ivan Sindell


Re: HERSCHENFELD/GERSCHENFELD #hungary

jausland@...
 

These names Hirsch and Gersh are fundamentally the same.

It's not Romanian but a Russian Slavic thing where the H becomes a G in
translation because of the lack of an alphabetical equivalent.
Uzhorod=Uzgorod.
Jordan Auslander, NYC


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: HERSCHENFELD/GERSCHENFELD #hungary

jausland@...
 

These names Hirsch and Gersh are fundamentally the same.

It's not Romanian but a Russian Slavic thing where the H becomes a G in
translation because of the lack of an alphabetical equivalent.
Uzhorod=Uzgorod.
Jordan Auslander, NYC


Subject: Jews in church records #hungary

Debbie Raff
 

This post caught my eye because I have corresponded for many years with
Debbie Greenlee. We have the town of Bukowsko (Poland) in common. She is
researching her Polish roots.

After many trips to Bukowsko, the parish priest allowed her to view some of
the records.

She realized that there were Jewish names w/in the Spis (similar to a
census). This is something that had not been known earlier. The priest did
not know why this had been done.

Since Bukowsko has no known Jewish records (B,M,D), this find was able to
add a bit more information as to who lived there. It was placed on my
Bukowsko ShtetLink site a couple of years ago.

At this time it is not known how common this might have been or if this is
an anomoly.

Basically, the parish priest wrote down the names, family members, etc. at
each residence. His responsibility included visits to his parishioners.

Based on her findings, I was able to include a sample image (for my
ggrandfather) and a list of Jews including residence #, possibly occupation,
etc.

An explanation of a Spis is included in the introduction. It was written by
Debbie Greenlee.

In this case, I am referring to Poland not Hungary. Go to:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Bukowsko/Spis.htm

Debbie Raff
California




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Subject: Jews in church records
From: alexpmiller@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:05:07 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

This info may have relevance to Hsig researchers. It is courtesy of
Tracey Rich >from Galicia sig. I have at one point scanned early church
records for the Zemplen area yet found no trace of Jewish records.

Alex Miller PA
I found a page on the LDS website that talks about the presence
of Jewish records in church registries:

<https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Jewish_Records_in_Other_Denominations>

Note that the page ends by saying that the catalog listing
"sometimes" includes a notation that the church records contain
information about Jews -- "sometimes," but not always.
traceygen@hotmail.com>


Re: Subject: HERSCHENFELD/GERSCHENFELD #hungary

sabamoshe@...
 

There is no H in the Russian language (and maybe some other languages
which use the cyrillic alphabet) so it is replaced by G. Horodok ->
Gorodok (=city, village)

Moshe Shavit
Israel


Subject: HERSCHENFELD/GERSCHENFELD
From: Deech10@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:29:09 EDT
X-Message-Number: 2

I was wondering if anyone would know enough about the Romanian language to
determine if the above two names are simply variations on the spelling of
the same name?
Thank you
Diane De Milt
Tucson, Arizona


Hungary SIG #Hungary Subject: Jews in church records #hungary

Debbie Raff
 

This post caught my eye because I have corresponded for many years with
Debbie Greenlee. We have the town of Bukowsko (Poland) in common. She is
researching her Polish roots.

After many trips to Bukowsko, the parish priest allowed her to view some of
the records.

She realized that there were Jewish names w/in the Spis (similar to a
census). This is something that had not been known earlier. The priest did
not know why this had been done.

Since Bukowsko has no known Jewish records (B,M,D), this find was able to
add a bit more information as to who lived there. It was placed on my
Bukowsko ShtetLink site a couple of years ago.

At this time it is not known how common this might have been or if this is
an anomoly.

Basically, the parish priest wrote down the names, family members, etc. at
each residence. His responsibility included visits to his parishioners.

Based on her findings, I was able to include a sample image (for my
ggrandfather) and a list of Jews including residence #, possibly occupation,
etc.

An explanation of a Spis is included in the introduction. It was written by
Debbie Greenlee.

In this case, I am referring to Poland not Hungary. Go to:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Bukowsko/Spis.htm

Debbie Raff
California




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Subject: Jews in church records
From: alexpmiller@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:05:07 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

This info may have relevance to Hsig researchers. It is courtesy of
Tracey Rich >from Galicia sig. I have at one point scanned early church
records for the Zemplen area yet found no trace of Jewish records.

Alex Miller PA
I found a page on the LDS website that talks about the presence
of Jewish records in church registries:

<https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Jewish_Records_in_Other_Denominations>

Note that the page ends by saying that the catalog listing
"sometimes" includes a notation that the church records contain
information about Jews -- "sometimes," but not always.
traceygen@hotmail.com>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Subject: HERSCHENFELD/GERSCHENFELD #hungary

sabamoshe@...
 

There is no H in the Russian language (and maybe some other languages
which use the cyrillic alphabet) so it is replaced by G. Horodok ->
Gorodok (=city, village)

Moshe Shavit
Israel


Subject: HERSCHENFELD/GERSCHENFELD
From: Deech10@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:29:09 EDT
X-Message-Number: 2

I was wondering if anyone would know enough about the Romanian language to
determine if the above two names are simply variations on the spelling of
the same name?
Thank you
Diane De Milt
Tucson, Arizona


Lewin as a personal name; Lewek, etc #poland

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

I frequently get inquires about Jews >from Germany whose given name was
Lewin. People are confused by its spelling and sound and think that the Jew
was a Levi [Levite, as in Cohen, Levi, Israel].

Lewin was a very popular "civil" name in the 18th and 19th centuries for
Jewish men whose Hebrew name was Yehuda=Juda. Since Yehuda is associated
with the lion, it often was the double name Aryeh Yehuda, or Judah Loeb.
Loeb, or Lo[umlaut]b, pronounced "Leib", became Lewin.
So there was no connection to Jewish men who were Levi'im.

But as a family name Lewin--just like Levi, Levy, etc--almost always denoted
Levi'im. Lewinski, Lewinsohn, etc. usually are Levi'im.

Across the border, in Poland, these same Judah Leib fellows were given the
civil name Lewek, Lewke, etc. When this became a family name, it was often
Lewkowicz, Lewczyk, Lewczak, etc. They are not Levi'im.

Shabbat Shalom,
Jim Bennett
Haifa


JRI Poland #Poland Lewin as a personal name; Lewek, etc #poland

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

I frequently get inquires about Jews >from Germany whose given name was
Lewin. People are confused by its spelling and sound and think that the Jew
was a Levi [Levite, as in Cohen, Levi, Israel].

Lewin was a very popular "civil" name in the 18th and 19th centuries for
Jewish men whose Hebrew name was Yehuda=Juda. Since Yehuda is associated
with the lion, it often was the double name Aryeh Yehuda, or Judah Loeb.
Loeb, or Lo[umlaut]b, pronounced "Leib", became Lewin.
So there was no connection to Jewish men who were Levi'im.

But as a family name Lewin--just like Levi, Levy, etc--almost always denoted
Levi'im. Lewinski, Lewinsohn, etc. usually are Levi'im.

Across the border, in Poland, these same Judah Leib fellows were given the
civil name Lewek, Lewke, etc. When this became a family name, it was often
Lewkowicz, Lewczyk, Lewczak, etc. They are not Levi'im.

Shabbat Shalom,
Jim Bennett
Haifa


AGAD Record Translation #poland

Peggy Morrow
 

Friends,

I have posted two pages for an AGAD birth record
Viewmate 15582 and 15583.

I had posted them before asking for a Polish translation and
did not get a response. I showed them to a Polish friend who
said the script is not Polish and he thinks it is German so now
it is posted as a German translation.

I am interested in the last entry on the page for Majer.
My ggp are Leib Brettschneider and Gittel Geller.

The direct links to the images are:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=15582
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=15583

I appreciate your help with this.

Best Regards,

Peggy Morrow
Hoffman Estates, IL
Researching BRETTSCHNEIDER BRETSZNEIDER BRETT SCHNEIDER GELLER ZIMMERMAN
from Korolowka (Oleyovo-Korolevka), Galicia and St. Louis; MORROWITZ
MOROVITZ MORROW GOLDSTEIN >from Iasi, Romania and Philadelphia; KORNFIELD
KORNFELD >from Bardejov, Slovakia and Chicago; EDELMAN and NEWMAN from
Budapest Hungary and Chicago; KRAMER >from Galicia and Chicago

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland AGAD Record Translation #poland

Peggy Morrow
 

Friends,

I have posted two pages for an AGAD birth record
Viewmate 15582 and 15583.

I had posted them before asking for a Polish translation and
did not get a response. I showed them to a Polish friend who
said the script is not Polish and he thinks it is German so now
it is posted as a German translation.

I am interested in the last entry on the page for Majer.
My ggp are Leib Brettschneider and Gittel Geller.

The direct links to the images are:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=15582
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=15583

I appreciate your help with this.

Best Regards,

Peggy Morrow
Hoffman Estates, IL
Researching BRETTSCHNEIDER BRETSZNEIDER BRETT SCHNEIDER GELLER ZIMMERMAN
from Korolowka (Oleyovo-Korolevka), Galicia and St. Louis; MORROWITZ
MOROVITZ MORROW GOLDSTEIN >from Iasi, Romania and Philadelphia; KORNFIELD
KORNFELD >from Bardejov, Slovakia and Chicago; EDELMAN and NEWMAN from
Budapest Hungary and Chicago; KRAMER >from Galicia and Chicago

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JGS North Jersey June 17 meeting #general

Paul Lewis <pmlewis6391@...>
 

The JGS of North Jersey invites you to their next meeting.

What: The Jewish Historical Society of North Jersey
Where: YM-YWHA of Wayne
When: Thursday, June 17, 2010 at 7:30 p.m.
The library opens at 7:00 for schmoozing and perusing.
Speaker: Jerry Nathans
Jerry, the president of the Jewish Historical Society of North Jersey, will be
telling us about the holdings of the society. >from Yiddish books printed in
Paterson, to wall hangings, to cemetery ledgers the collection offers a myriad of
information regarding New Jersey Jewish history that began in the Paterson area
about 1840. The Jewish movement to Bergen County gathered steam about 1940. Jerry
is the maven on cemeteries in the Paterson area.

There will be plenty of time for questions and answers. Refreshments will be
served. Members and non-members are welcome at meetings. There is no charge.

July 11-16, International Jewish Genealogy Conference, Los Angeles, CA

For directions or information about JGS contact:
Susan: jgsnj@verizon.net
Judy: jfs6403@yahoo.com
Paul: pmlewis6391@optonline.net
Check our website: http://mysite.verizon.net/skobren/
Submitted by Paul Lewis


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS North Jersey June 17 meeting #general

Paul Lewis <pmlewis6391@...>
 

The JGS of North Jersey invites you to their next meeting.

What: The Jewish Historical Society of North Jersey
Where: YM-YWHA of Wayne
When: Thursday, June 17, 2010 at 7:30 p.m.
The library opens at 7:00 for schmoozing and perusing.
Speaker: Jerry Nathans
Jerry, the president of the Jewish Historical Society of North Jersey, will be
telling us about the holdings of the society. >from Yiddish books printed in
Paterson, to wall hangings, to cemetery ledgers the collection offers a myriad of
information regarding New Jersey Jewish history that began in the Paterson area
about 1840. The Jewish movement to Bergen County gathered steam about 1940. Jerry
is the maven on cemeteries in the Paterson area.

There will be plenty of time for questions and answers. Refreshments will be
served. Members and non-members are welcome at meetings. There is no charge.

July 11-16, International Jewish Genealogy Conference, Los Angeles, CA

For directions or information about JGS contact:
Susan: jgsnj@verizon.net
Judy: jfs6403@yahoo.com
Paul: pmlewis6391@optonline.net
Check our website: http://mysite.verizon.net/skobren/
Submitted by Paul Lewis


Chil David Orensztajn, Opatow - did he survive the Shoah? #general

Judite Orensztajn
 

Shalom,
My husband's uncle, Abram Lejb Orensztajn, and his wife Brandla Syma Orensztajn
(Szrajbman), >from Opatow, had 9 children. We have a list of the Jews >from Opatow who
were sent to Treblinka to their death, that includes the names of the parents and of
8 children. The youngest, Chil David, born 1941, is not in this tragic list. He may
have survived the Shoah. Does anyone know him?
Thank you, shabat shalom,
Judite Orensztajn


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chil David Orensztajn, Opatow - did he survive the Shoah? #general

Judite Orensztajn
 

Shalom,
My husband's uncle, Abram Lejb Orensztajn, and his wife Brandla Syma Orensztajn
(Szrajbman), >from Opatow, had 9 children. We have a list of the Jews >from Opatow who
were sent to Treblinka to their death, that includes the names of the parents and of
8 children. The youngest, Chil David, born 1941, is not in this tragic list. He may
have survived the Shoah. Does anyone know him?
Thank you, shabat shalom,
Judite Orensztajn


Thanks to AJHS #general

Lisa Grayson <lisa@...>
 

Last month I was in New York City for 48 hours, and I found a genealogical
goldmine I thought I should tell you about.

My g-g-grandfather Moses FINK (MARUCHES) is listed as a congregant on the website
for the Eldridge Street Synagogue, another place very much worth a visit (see
www.eldridgestreet.org). While the Eldridge Street Museum had not yet unearthed
the exact documents that mentioned my relative, the American Jewish Historical
Society (www.ajhs.org) turns out to have several boxes of records of the original
Congregation Kahal Adath Yeshurun with Anshe Lubitz. Even better, AJHS published
an index online.

I e-mailed the AJHS library, asking if I could please view six of the records most
likely to mention Moses FINK. When I arrived just days later, the bulky archival
boxes had been set aside for me.

After several frustrating forays into 19th-century Yiddish ledgers, in the last box
I discovered MF's name in English in the front pages of a huge leather-bound book,
and nine lines of handwritten Yiddish. I could make out his name, his son's names
(my g-grandfather Myer and his brother Abram), and a few words about a seat.
Without any prompting, one of the librarians volunteered to help me parse the
message. She was unduly modest about her abilities; she could read the entire
entry, and told me that Myer had bought a seat for his penniless father, and that
Abram would help contribute.

I am extremely grateful to the AJHS not only for the kind assistance offered during
my visit but for maintaining rooms full of historical material of interest to
anyone researching Jewish genealogy in New York. Please check out this wonderful
resource. The online archival finding aids may help you before your visit. The
society is part of the Center for Jewish History, an amazing institution itself
at 15 W. 16th Street.

Lisa Grayson
Chicago, Illinois USA

Researching MARUCHES, FINK, ROSENTHAL in Vilnius, Grodno, Sopotskin; LEVIN in
Grodno; WEINER in Berdichev; GOLDBERG in Odessa; ROSEN and ROSENKRANTZ in Lipno


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks to AJHS #general

Lisa Grayson <lisa@...>
 

Last month I was in New York City for 48 hours, and I found a genealogical
goldmine I thought I should tell you about.

My g-g-grandfather Moses FINK (MARUCHES) is listed as a congregant on the website
for the Eldridge Street Synagogue, another place very much worth a visit (see
www.eldridgestreet.org). While the Eldridge Street Museum had not yet unearthed
the exact documents that mentioned my relative, the American Jewish Historical
Society (www.ajhs.org) turns out to have several boxes of records of the original
Congregation Kahal Adath Yeshurun with Anshe Lubitz. Even better, AJHS published
an index online.

I e-mailed the AJHS library, asking if I could please view six of the records most
likely to mention Moses FINK. When I arrived just days later, the bulky archival
boxes had been set aside for me.

After several frustrating forays into 19th-century Yiddish ledgers, in the last box
I discovered MF's name in English in the front pages of a huge leather-bound book,
and nine lines of handwritten Yiddish. I could make out his name, his son's names
(my g-grandfather Myer and his brother Abram), and a few words about a seat.
Without any prompting, one of the librarians volunteered to help me parse the
message. She was unduly modest about her abilities; she could read the entire
entry, and told me that Myer had bought a seat for his penniless father, and that
Abram would help contribute.

I am extremely grateful to the AJHS not only for the kind assistance offered during
my visit but for maintaining rooms full of historical material of interest to
anyone researching Jewish genealogy in New York. Please check out this wonderful
resource. The online archival finding aids may help you before your visit. The
society is part of the Center for Jewish History, an amazing institution itself
at 15 W. 16th Street.

Lisa Grayson
Chicago, Illinois USA

Researching MARUCHES, FINK, ROSENTHAL in Vilnius, Grodno, Sopotskin; LEVIN in
Grodno; WEINER in Berdichev; GOLDBERG in Odessa; ROSEN and ROSENKRANTZ in Lipno