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German translation requested for two postings on ViewMate #warsaw #poland

Diane Sophrin
 

Hello all,
I've just posted two pages of a letter written in German on ViewMate,
for which I'd very much appreciate as direct a translation as possible.

Page 1: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34549

Page 2: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34550

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application. I find
it more helpful to have all responses saved and visible on ViewMate!

I thank you all in advance for any and all help offered,


Sincerely,
Diane Sophrin
Vermont, USA


Researching:
BIERZWINSKI, FUCHS/FUKS/FOX, GRÜNBAUM/GRINBAUM/GREENBAUM, PULVERMACHER,
SELIGMAN/ZELIGMAN, SZALADAJEWSKI, SZCZECINSKI. (Lodz, Poland & environs;
USA)
MEHR, TRUBIK(Zagare & Vegeriai, Lithuania; USA)
SCHOPHRIN, SCHLIMOWITZ (Vilna, Lithuania; Poltova & Donetsk, Ukraine; USA)
JACOBSON, SOPHRIN, VAN FELIX (USA.)


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland German translation requested for two postings on ViewMate #warsaw #poland

Diane Sophrin
 

Hello all,
I've just posted two pages of a letter written in German on ViewMate,
for which I'd very much appreciate as direct a translation as possible.

Page 1: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34549

Page 2: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34550

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application. I find
it more helpful to have all responses saved and visible on ViewMate!

I thank you all in advance for any and all help offered,


Sincerely,
Diane Sophrin
Vermont, USA


Researching:
BIERZWINSKI, FUCHS/FUKS/FOX, GRÜNBAUM/GRINBAUM/GREENBAUM, PULVERMACHER,
SELIGMAN/ZELIGMAN, SZALADAJEWSKI, SZCZECINSKI. (Lodz, Poland & environs;
USA)
MEHR, TRUBIK(Zagare & Vegeriai, Lithuania; USA)
SCHOPHRIN, SCHLIMOWITZ (Vilna, Lithuania; Poltova & Donetsk, Ukraine; USA)
JACOBSON, SOPHRIN, VAN FELIX (USA.)


Re: Korban Nesanel #rabbinic

martin hecht <martinjhecht@...>
 

At Hebrewbooks.org you can see the introduction to the Korban
Nesanel, in which he lists his ancestors going back about 4-5
generations (to Rav Yaakov Weill), with the places where they
served as AvBeisDin/Rav. Although it does not refer to anyone
as a Levi or Kohen, I would not exclude the possibility based
on this. Perhaps searching on the names of his ancestors or in
their works(or tombstones,if available) would yield some results.

martin hecht


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Korban Nesanel #rabbinic

martin hecht <martinjhecht@...>
 

At Hebrewbooks.org you can see the introduction to the Korban
Nesanel, in which he lists his ancestors going back about 4-5
generations (to Rav Yaakov Weill), with the places where they
served as AvBeisDin/Rav. Although it does not refer to anyone
as a Levi or Kohen, I would not exclude the possibility based
on this. Perhaps searching on the names of his ancestors or in
their works(or tombstones,if available) would yield some results.

martin hecht


Re: Klaus Rabbiner #rabbinic

David Ferleger
 

My wife, Rabbi, says that Kloyz means a shul

Perhaps it means a Rabbi associated with a synagogue

David Ferleger

On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:14 PM, "Stephen Paul Denker spdenker@rcn.com" wrote:

The term Klaus Rabbiner or Kloyz Rabbiner. How is the best way to translate
the title?


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Klaus Rabbiner #rabbinic

David Ferleger
 

My wife, Rabbi, says that Kloyz means a shul

Perhaps it means a Rabbi associated with a synagogue

David Ferleger

On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:14 PM, "Stephen Paul Denker spdenker@rcn.com" wrote:

The term Klaus Rabbiner or Kloyz Rabbiner. How is the best way to translate
the title?


Re: Half siblings #dna

elanc@...
 

I believe half siblings would generally appear like first
cousins in terms of the typical total cM length of matching
DNA segments. But the pattern should be somewhat different,
although it may be difficult to detect. With cousins there's
an equal probability of matching segments on both copies of
each chromosome. With half siblings all the matching
segments will be concentrated on one out of each pair of
chromosomes.

I guess the total cM would look like cousins, but the
individual overlapping segment lengths would be like those
of full siblings.

Elan Caspi
Belmont, CA

From: Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:15:29 -0400

How would half siblings be identified in the results of the Family
Tree DNA Family Finder test?


DNA Research #DNA Re: Half siblings #dna

elanc@...
 

I believe half siblings would generally appear like first
cousins in terms of the typical total cM length of matching
DNA segments. But the pattern should be somewhat different,
although it may be difficult to detect. With cousins there's
an equal probability of matching segments on both copies of
each chromosome. With half siblings all the matching
segments will be concentrated on one out of each pair of
chromosomes.

I guess the total cM would look like cousins, but the
individual overlapping segment lengths would be like those
of full siblings.

Elan Caspi
Belmont, CA

From: Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:15:29 -0400

How would half siblings be identified in the results of the Family
Tree DNA Family Finder test?


INTRO- Researching Jakob MARX / Dorothea KORST family from Waldmohr / Rheinland-Pfalz #germany

rainer hahn <rainer.hahn@...>
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 3
years. I consider myself to be beginner in doing German Jewish
Genealogy research. I live in Vienna, Austria. My native language is
German but I also know English and little French. I consider myself
intermediate in using a computer. My experience in using the Internet
is intermediate.

I have identified the names and birth of my grandparents, Daniel BALL
( born 20.08.1859, Gleiszellen) and his wife, Karoline MARX ( born
22.01.1855, Waldmohr). >from my great grandparents, Jakob MARX and
Dorothea KORST who lived in Waldmohr I only have their names. They
must have been born around 1820. Jakob MARX signed the marriage
document of his daughter Karoline, at 4th of February, 1888.

My primary research goals are to find out more about the family of
Jakob MARX, Anselm HAHN ( born 17.03.1853, Zell-Weierbach), Margarethe
ZIETSCH (*22.03.1857, Leimen), Karl Daniel BRADFISCH ( born 1834,
Zweibruecken) and Katharina SUTTER ( born 1834, Zweibruecken(?)).

My JGFF Researcher ID number is 641452. Thank you for any help!

Rainer Hahn Vienna, Austria rainer.hahn@gmail.com


German SIG #Germany INTRO- Researching Jakob MARX / Dorothea KORST family from Waldmohr / Rheinland-Pfalz #germany

rainer hahn <rainer.hahn@...>
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 3
years. I consider myself to be beginner in doing German Jewish
Genealogy research. I live in Vienna, Austria. My native language is
German but I also know English and little French. I consider myself
intermediate in using a computer. My experience in using the Internet
is intermediate.

I have identified the names and birth of my grandparents, Daniel BALL
( born 20.08.1859, Gleiszellen) and his wife, Karoline MARX ( born
22.01.1855, Waldmohr). >from my great grandparents, Jakob MARX and
Dorothea KORST who lived in Waldmohr I only have their names. They
must have been born around 1820. Jakob MARX signed the marriage
document of his daughter Karoline, at 4th of February, 1888.

My primary research goals are to find out more about the family of
Jakob MARX, Anselm HAHN ( born 17.03.1853, Zell-Weierbach), Margarethe
ZIETSCH (*22.03.1857, Leimen), Karl Daniel BRADFISCH ( born 1834,
Zweibruecken) and Katharina SUTTER ( born 1834, Zweibruecken(?)).

My JGFF Researcher ID number is 641452. Thank you for any help!

Rainer Hahn Vienna, Austria rainer.hahn@gmail.com


Lodz ghetto records #general

Lewis, Megan
 

On June 12, Miriam Bulwar David-Hay asked which reels/files >from the
Lodz ghetto collection have been indexed on Jewishgen and World Memory
Project/Ancestry. She also asked if there is concordance. The World
Memory Project is the joint USHMM/Ancestry indexing project, and the
source of the records on Ancestry. I spoke with the person who
coordinates the indexing. According to her, only reels 179-192, all
files of the vital records, and the some of the re-indexed worker id
cards >from reels 673-696, are on Ancestry.

About the concordance: there isn't one. But I figured out a
work-around of sorts, involving the listing on Ancestry and the
finding aid for USHMM RG-15.083, which is at
http://collections.ushmm.org/findingaids/RG-15.083M_01.pdf. For my
example, I am going to use this record, http://ancstry.me/1iBzyJk
which is about the death of Nachman Rapapport June 10, 1941.

Each of the records on Ancestry includes a Source Citation. The
source citation includes a file number. In Nachman's case, the file
number is RG-15.083M; File: rg-15_083m_0184-00000963. The file number
consists of three separate parts. rg-15_083m_ is the record group,
184 is the reel number, and -00000963 is the image number on the reel.

Going to the finding aid for RG-15.083, I find that there are 3
files on reel 184: 948, 949 and 950. Files 948 and 949 are deaths in
1940, and 950 is a death register with the date of July 2, 1941. Since
Nachman died in June 1941, he is most likely in file 950. When I went
to the Polish State Archives site, I found him in section 13.2, file
950.

Best wishes,

Megan Lewis
Reference librarian
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lodz ghetto records #general

Lewis, Megan
 

On June 12, Miriam Bulwar David-Hay asked which reels/files >from the
Lodz ghetto collection have been indexed on Jewishgen and World Memory
Project/Ancestry. She also asked if there is concordance. The World
Memory Project is the joint USHMM/Ancestry indexing project, and the
source of the records on Ancestry. I spoke with the person who
coordinates the indexing. According to her, only reels 179-192, all
files of the vital records, and the some of the re-indexed worker id
cards >from reels 673-696, are on Ancestry.

About the concordance: there isn't one. But I figured out a
work-around of sorts, involving the listing on Ancestry and the
finding aid for USHMM RG-15.083, which is at
http://collections.ushmm.org/findingaids/RG-15.083M_01.pdf. For my
example, I am going to use this record, http://ancstry.me/1iBzyJk
which is about the death of Nachman Rapapport June 10, 1941.

Each of the records on Ancestry includes a Source Citation. The
source citation includes a file number. In Nachman's case, the file
number is RG-15.083M; File: rg-15_083m_0184-00000963. The file number
consists of three separate parts. rg-15_083m_ is the record group,
184 is the reel number, and -00000963 is the image number on the reel.

Going to the finding aid for RG-15.083, I find that there are 3
files on reel 184: 948, 949 and 950. Files 948 and 949 are deaths in
1940, and 950 is a death register with the date of July 2, 1941. Since
Nachman died in June 1941, he is most likely in file 950. When I went
to the Polish State Archives site, I found him in section 13.2, file
950.

Best wishes,

Megan Lewis
Reference librarian
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

MODERATOR NOTE: An Ancestry subscription is required in order to view
Megan Lewis's example.


Re: Half siblings #dna

DonnDevine@...
 

Gary, it will be 25 per cent.

See http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics

Donn Devine
Wilmington Delaware USA

In a message dated 7/2/2014 2:21:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dna@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

From: Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:15:29 -0400

How would half siblings be identified in the results of the Family Tree DNA
Family Finder test?


DNA Research #DNA Re: Half siblings #dna

DonnDevine@...
 

Gary, it will be 25 per cent.

See http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics

Donn Devine
Wilmington Delaware USA

In a message dated 7/2/2014 2:21:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dna@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

From: Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:15:29 -0400

How would half siblings be identified in the results of the Family Tree DNA
Family Finder test?


German translation requested for two postings on ViewMate #lodz #poland

Diane Sophrin
 

Hello all,
I've just posted two pages of a letter written in German on ViewMate,
for which I'd very much appreciate as direct a translation as possible.

Page 1: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34549

Page 2: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34550

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application. I find
it more helpful to have all responses saved and visible on ViewMate!

I thank you all in advance for any and all help offered,

Sincerely,
Diane Sophrin
Vermont, USA

Researching:
BIERZWINSKI, FUCHS/FUKS/FOX, GRÜNBAUM/GRINBAUM/GREENBAUM, PULVERMACHER,
SELIGMAN/ZELIGMAN, SZALADAJEWSKI, SZCZECINSKI. (Lodz, Poland & environs;
USA)
MEHR, TRUBIK(Zagare & Vegeriai, Lithuania; USA)
SCHOPHRIN, SCHLIMOWITZ (Vilna, Lithuania; Poltova & Donetsk, Ukraine; USA)
JACOBSON, SOPHRIN, VAN FELIX (USA.)


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland German translation requested for two postings on ViewMate #poland #lodz

Diane Sophrin
 

Hello all,
I've just posted two pages of a letter written in German on ViewMate,
for which I'd very much appreciate as direct a translation as possible.

Page 1: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34549

Page 2: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34550

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application. I find
it more helpful to have all responses saved and visible on ViewMate!

I thank you all in advance for any and all help offered,

Sincerely,
Diane Sophrin
Vermont, USA

Researching:
BIERZWINSKI, FUCHS/FUKS/FOX, GRÜNBAUM/GRINBAUM/GREENBAUM, PULVERMACHER,
SELIGMAN/ZELIGMAN, SZALADAJEWSKI, SZCZECINSKI. (Lodz, Poland & environs;
USA)
MEHR, TRUBIK(Zagare & Vegeriai, Lithuania; USA)
SCHOPHRIN, SCHLIMOWITZ (Vilna, Lithuania; Poltova & Donetsk, Ukraine; USA)
JACOBSON, SOPHRIN, VAN FELIX (USA.)


Re: Attitudes to marrying out of the faith 1850's Liverpool #unitedkingdom

Richard Cooper
 

Among Anglo-Jewry in general, attitudes to marrying out varied over
time. Although never sanctioned either rabbinically or communally,
marrying out was viewed in a more relaxed manner by our 18th and early
19th century forebears than by the immigrant community who arrived en
masse between 1881 and 1914, and perhaps less strictly than by the
post-war generation who often see it as 'giving Hitler a posthumous
victory'.
There were certain provisos: it was less objectionable for a woman to
marry out than a man, as the woman's children would be halachically
Jewish. But the most important factor was social class which, as in so
many aspects of British life, trumped everything. Thus it was a rule
in the Rothschild family that the daughters could marry a Christian
nobleman with the father's blessing, but the sons could only marry a
Jewess.
The siring of bastards was always frowned upon, which is why I am very
surprised that you describe your 2x great grandfather as 'quite
devout' though he sired three children out of wedlock.
Conversion to Judaism has always been possible if the proselyte
follows the rules of the presiding Orthodox Beth Din, which usually
involve living for at least two years as a single person with a Jewish
family, amongst other things. Having said that, communities being what
they are, the proselyte having converted would probably still have
been whispered of as a 'shiksa' or 'shaygetz' behind their back until
the day they died.

Best wishes and happy ancestor-spotting,
Richard Cooper (NB: Not related to any COOPERs!)
Midhurst, UK
MILLET, ENGELBERG, BLUMENKEHL, SUSSWEIN, WACKS & PITERZIL >from Tarnow,
Dabrowa Tarnowska and Lezajsk
LEZTER, SALENDER, RINENBERG, EISEN & KRAETTER >from Rzeszow and Kolbuszowa
ADLER, FINKELSTEIN, PARYLLE, WEINTRAUB & ZILZ >from Tarnopol and Trembowla
YAROSHEVSKY, SHAPOCHNIKOW & GRANITUR >from Odessa and Zlatopol/Novomirgorod
LEWINSTEIN >from Berdichev
BORENSTEIN, MATELEVITCH,GODZINSKIJ & ZIMNOWICZ and >from Warsaw and Radun


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Attitudes to marrying out of the faith 1850's Liverpool #unitedkingdom

Richard Cooper
 

Among Anglo-Jewry in general, attitudes to marrying out varied over
time. Although never sanctioned either rabbinically or communally,
marrying out was viewed in a more relaxed manner by our 18th and early
19th century forebears than by the immigrant community who arrived en
masse between 1881 and 1914, and perhaps less strictly than by the
post-war generation who often see it as 'giving Hitler a posthumous
victory'.
There were certain provisos: it was less objectionable for a woman to
marry out than a man, as the woman's children would be halachically
Jewish. But the most important factor was social class which, as in so
many aspects of British life, trumped everything. Thus it was a rule
in the Rothschild family that the daughters could marry a Christian
nobleman with the father's blessing, but the sons could only marry a
Jewess.
The siring of bastards was always frowned upon, which is why I am very
surprised that you describe your 2x great grandfather as 'quite
devout' though he sired three children out of wedlock.
Conversion to Judaism has always been possible if the proselyte
follows the rules of the presiding Orthodox Beth Din, which usually
involve living for at least two years as a single person with a Jewish
family, amongst other things. Having said that, communities being what
they are, the proselyte having converted would probably still have
been whispered of as a 'shiksa' or 'shaygetz' behind their back until
the day they died.

Best wishes and happy ancestor-spotting,
Richard Cooper (NB: Not related to any COOPERs!)
Midhurst, UK
MILLET, ENGELBERG, BLUMENKEHL, SUSSWEIN, WACKS & PITERZIL >from Tarnow,
Dabrowa Tarnowska and Lezajsk
LEZTER, SALENDER, RINENBERG, EISEN & KRAETTER >from Rzeszow and Kolbuszowa
ADLER, FINKELSTEIN, PARYLLE, WEINTRAUB & ZILZ >from Tarnopol and Trembowla
YAROSHEVSKY, SHAPOCHNIKOW & GRANITUR >from Odessa and Zlatopol/Novomirgorod
LEWINSTEIN >from Berdichev
BORENSTEIN, MATELEVITCH,GODZINSKIJ & ZIMNOWICZ and >from Warsaw and Radun


Re: Attitudes to marrying out of the faith 1850's Liverpool #unitedkingdom

nicklandau@...
 

This BBC site gives a lot of useful information

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/articles/2005/10/05/jewish_history_feature.shtml

It also allows you to place a comment which could then be answered by
someone else.

Anecdotally it was much easier convert in those days. I have even heard of a
person in a synagogue (presumably a woman) being married as a Jewess when it
was widely known that she was not Jewish. This took place in a small
provincial community.

Clearly his devotion did not prevent him marrying in church. Would not the
man have agreed to be baptised.

Disraeli's father left the synagogue because of an argument with the
synagogue and not doctrinal reason.

See also this article

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/plaque-mark-liverpools-kosher-history-3480465

There is a Liverpool branch of the Jewish Historical Society whose contact
is Arnold Lewis arnoldslewis@gmail.com

There is also a Manchester branch of the JGSGB
http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/manchester-group-0

Nick Landau
London, UK

Wechsler, Kohn (Bavaria), Landau/Fredkin (Mogilev), Weizmann (Poland),
Cohnreich (Krojanke, Poland/Germany (Baltic)), Atlas (Wielkic Oczy,
Austro-Hungary - now Poland)

Subject: Attitudes to marrying out of the faith 1850's Liverpool
From: mareacf@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:04:45 +0800
X-Message-Number: 2

In writing my family history, this is one topic that I wanted to discuss,
but am unsure whether I am accurate
in my perceptions as to how the Jewish community would have reacted.
In the 1850's my 2x great grandfather married a non-Jewish woman. At this
stage his father, who had
come >from Poland, was already deceased, and my 2x geat- grandfather was the
eldest of 7 siblings,
He delayed the marriage for several years, during which time they had three
children together (I believe he
was quite devout). They eventually married in a Christian church in 1857.

I wondered if the woman had wanted to convert to Judaism, whether this
would have been sanctioned?
Marea Foster
Perth, Australia
mareacf@gmail.com

Sent >from my iPad
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Sarah Kroglansky Taylor
From: suewelsh@earthlink.net
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:53:47 -0700
X-Message-Number: 3

On 17 December 1905, my grandmother Rebecca TAYLOR (formerly KROGLANSKY) and
formerly of Meritz, Lithuania, married my grandfather, Morris GRANET (in
Cyrillic letters, HRANET) formerly of Odessa, Russia, at the United
Synagogue, in London.

Present at the wedding was the bride's widowed mother, Sarah (formerly
Simcha), who, along with Rebecca, had been living with Rebecca's eldest
sister, Brinah KARETSKY (nee KROGLANSKY), who was 15 years older than the
bride, and well-settled in London. Sarah and Rebecca had lived with Brinah
since their immigration, circa 1892 or 1893, thus neatly managing to avoid
an appearance in the census of 1891.

A few days after the wedding, the newlyweds boarded ship and sailed for
Canada. But what happened to Rebecca's mother, Sarah, after the wedding?
There are no records, and it is as if she fell off the face of the earth.
Brinah's living descendents are unaware of Sarah's fate, and were not even
born at the time of the wedding, nor even until some years later.

In 1901, I did find a census entry for a Sarah TAYLOR, a widow of 57 years,
living at 5 Regal Road in Tower Hamlets, with her daughters Rebecca (age 20)
and Kate (this Anglicized name heretofore unknown, age 22). But was this
even the same Sarah? The ages, however, of Sarah and Rebecca are precisely
the same as my family members, and so the entry is provocative.

Sarah herself might have attended the Princes Street Synagogue, since one of
her daughters was married to Simon "Sid" REBACK, son of Meyer REBACK, the
shamus. But how can I find out if this synagogue has any records of her
participation?

I have tried searching for death records subsequent to 1905, but Sarah
TAYLOR is remains an enigma, and I have had no success. I continue to seek
Sarah.

Does anyone have ideas about how or where else I should search?


Dr. Susan Granite Welsh
Murrieta, California

Tracing any variations in spelling for the following families:
ABERBUCH (Warsaw, Lublin, Buenos Aires),
GRANITE (Ukraine, England, Mexico, Egypt, and USA),
HABERMAN (Warsaw, Lublin, Buenos Aires),
KROGLANSKY (Lithuania, England, Ireland and Brazil),
MAST (Lublin and Buenos Aires),
TAYLOR (England, Ireland and USA), ZINGER (Brazil and Israel) and
ZYLBERBERG (Warsaw and Lublin)


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ViewMate translation request - Polish #poland

Harvey Kabaker
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34564

It is a marriage record. I don't need a verbatim translation,
just basic data: Date, location, names of bride and groom, their
parents and grandparents, if they are in the record. Please respond
via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

--
Harvey Kabaker
Silver Spring, MD
Researching CUTLER, KOTLARSKY, SHAEFFER in Bila Tserkva;
KABAKER, OKUN, BERLUNSKY in Seirijai;
WEINHOUSE, MILLER in Edinet.

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