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Searching for Shliome Yankel GOROSH in U.S. #general

Rochelle Gershenow
 

Shlioma Yankel Gorosh was born in 1880 in Latvia. He lived with his parents
and siblings in Rezhitza (now Rezekne), Latvia.

On July 15, 1902, Shlioma and his wife, Genesa, arrived in New York on the
Vaderland, which originated in Antwerp, Belgium. The manifest stated that
they were going to brother in law? Berl Brucker. Berl was crossed through
and Ike Kahn was listed instead. Both Berl (Berke/Bernard) and Ike were
married to sisters of Shlioma's mother.

I have tried, with no success, to find Shlioma and his wife beyond the ship
manifest. Since I don't know what first name he adopted in the U.S. I
searched on his surname, Gorosh, and variations of the name. Any help or
suggestions would be welcome.

Rochelle Gershenow
Connecticut, USA

Searching: AGINSKY (Stowbtsy, Belarus); CHAIKIN (Homyel, Belarus; Priluki,
Ukraine); GERISH/GOROSH/GOROSCH (Vitebsk Guberynia Belarus/Latvia); GERSHONOWITZ
(Lithuania; USA); LANGDORF (Galicia); MERRIN (Belarus); PURINSON/PURINZON
(Priluki,Ukraine; Argentina; Brazil; Israel; USA; Anywhere); SLONIMSKY/SLONIM
(Minsk, Belarus; USA); SONDAK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK (Janavole, Borkhovo, Rezekne, and
Ludza, Latvia; USA); SOKOLOVSKY (Priluki, Ukraine)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Shliome Yankel GOROSH in U.S. #general

Rochelle Gershenow
 

Shlioma Yankel Gorosh was born in 1880 in Latvia. He lived with his parents
and siblings in Rezhitza (now Rezekne), Latvia.

On July 15, 1902, Shlioma and his wife, Genesa, arrived in New York on the
Vaderland, which originated in Antwerp, Belgium. The manifest stated that
they were going to brother in law? Berl Brucker. Berl was crossed through
and Ike Kahn was listed instead. Both Berl (Berke/Bernard) and Ike were
married to sisters of Shlioma's mother.

I have tried, with no success, to find Shlioma and his wife beyond the ship
manifest. Since I don't know what first name he adopted in the U.S. I
searched on his surname, Gorosh, and variations of the name. Any help or
suggestions would be welcome.

Rochelle Gershenow
Connecticut, USA

Searching: AGINSKY (Stowbtsy, Belarus); CHAIKIN (Homyel, Belarus; Priluki,
Ukraine); GERISH/GOROSH/GOROSCH (Vitebsk Guberynia Belarus/Latvia); GERSHONOWITZ
(Lithuania; USA); LANGDORF (Galicia); MERRIN (Belarus); PURINSON/PURINZON
(Priluki,Ukraine; Argentina; Brazil; Israel; USA; Anywhere); SLONIMSKY/SLONIM
(Minsk, Belarus; USA); SONDAK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK (Janavole, Borkhovo, Rezekne, and
Ludza, Latvia; USA); SOKOLOVSKY (Priluki, Ukraine)


Translation Help Lithuanian documents #general

J G
 

Hi All

There was once a man named Hirsch Glass. Born in 1911, he was >from Subacious
Lithuania. In that same year, his father Jankel Glass went to New York USA
intending to send for the family once he established himself there. Sadly he
died shortly after arriving in NYC. Hirsch Glass, during the Shoah most
likely was interned in the Kowno Ghetto, then sent to Dachau, which he
survived. In 1949 he and his wife Esther and their young son Jankel moved to
Australia. They had a daughter in Australia named Bela and another son Max,
and through Jewishgen, Bela contacted me. We believe we are cousins. We are
looking backward in time to find the common ancestral link, perhaps one
generation more, the father of her grandfather Jankel Glass >from Subacius.

We have received some passport application records >from the archives in
Lithuania. Most of them are quite short. Is there anyone who would favor
this project with some translation help? The records are in Lithuanian.
Grateful thanks in advance to anyone willing to help out. The document copies
are very well photographed easy to read.

Please respond privately.

Regards

Joe Glass

MODERATOR NOTE: You might consider scanning and uploading the documents to
ViewMate on JewishGen. https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translation Help Lithuanian documents #general

J G
 

Hi All

There was once a man named Hirsch Glass. Born in 1911, he was >from Subacious
Lithuania. In that same year, his father Jankel Glass went to New York USA
intending to send for the family once he established himself there. Sadly he
died shortly after arriving in NYC. Hirsch Glass, during the Shoah most
likely was interned in the Kowno Ghetto, then sent to Dachau, which he
survived. In 1949 he and his wife Esther and their young son Jankel moved to
Australia. They had a daughter in Australia named Bela and another son Max,
and through Jewishgen, Bela contacted me. We believe we are cousins. We are
looking backward in time to find the common ancestral link, perhaps one
generation more, the father of her grandfather Jankel Glass >from Subacius.

We have received some passport application records >from the archives in
Lithuania. Most of them are quite short. Is there anyone who would favor
this project with some translation help? The records are in Lithuanian.
Grateful thanks in advance to anyone willing to help out. The document copies
are very well photographed easy to read.

Please respond privately.

Regards

Joe Glass

MODERATOR NOTE: You might consider scanning and uploading the documents to
ViewMate on JewishGen. https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/


Looking for researcher in Lodz #lodz #poland

Eva Radding <eva_radding@...>
 

A friend has asked me to help her find someone who can take her to
dad's hometown in Lodz to help her track down family members. If you
can recommend someone, please tell me a little bit about your
experience with that person, along with contact information and fees.

Thanks very much.
--
Eva Radding
Digital Archive and Library Systems Manager
Facing History and Ourselves
16 Hurd Road
Brookline, MA 02445
www.facinghistory.org

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Looking for researcher in Lodz #lodz #poland

Eva Radding <eva_radding@...>
 

A friend has asked me to help her find someone who can take her to
dad's hometown in Lodz to help her track down family members. If you
can recommend someone, please tell me a little bit about your
experience with that person, along with contact information and fees.

Thanks very much.
--
Eva Radding
Digital Archive and Library Systems Manager
Facing History and Ourselves
16 Hurd Road
Brookline, MA 02445
www.facinghistory.org

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Mordhar JOANOVICI or JOINOVICI #bessarabia

Lemberski Evelyne
 

Mordhar JOANOVICI or JOINOVICI

I search the name of the french cemetery where is buried Mordhar JOANOVICI or JOINOVICI born
December 14, 1898 or 1896 in Soroca or CHISNAU in MOLDOVA please?

Do not hesitate to contact me if you have this information


Evelyne LEMBERSKI
evelynelemberski@yahoo.fr
SAINT MAURICE
FRANCE


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Mordhar JOANOVICI or JOINOVICI #bessarabia

Lemberski Evelyne
 

Mordhar JOANOVICI or JOINOVICI

I search the name of the french cemetery where is buried Mordhar JOANOVICI or JOINOVICI born
December 14, 1898 or 1896 in Soroca or CHISNAU in MOLDOVA please?

Do not hesitate to contact me if you have this information


Evelyne LEMBERSKI
evelynelemberski@yahoo.fr
SAINT MAURICE
FRANCE


Re: Ethnicity analysis discrepancy #dna

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Ms. Beare,

The reason for the discrepancy in these admixture models is that the
categories are too broad. Each of the so-called ethnicities is a mix of
many other ethnicities.

To help you understand your results better may I suggest that you upload
your raw files to gedmatch.com (free) and then run them on the
'Admixture' analysis using the Eurogenes K36 model. This will show you
more nuanced results according to 36 ethnic categories.

Have fun and don't expect black or white results.

Cordially,
Adam Cherson


DNA Research #DNA RE: Ethnicity analysis discrepancy #dna

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Ms. Beare,

The reason for the discrepancy in these admixture models is that the
categories are too broad. Each of the so-called ethnicities is a mix of
many other ethnicities.

To help you understand your results better may I suggest that you upload
your raw files to gedmatch.com (free) and then run them on the
'Admixture' analysis using the Eurogenes K36 model. This will show you
more nuanced results according to 36 ethnic categories.

Have fun and don't expect black or white results.

Cordially,
Adam Cherson


Re: Ethnicity analysis discrepancy #dna

rayvenna@...
 

Last I heard, FTDNA believed that determining Sephardic vs. Ashkenazi
at the DNA level is very difficult to do with any real level of
confidence, so they're calling all genetically "Jewish" DNA "Jewish
Diaspora."

As for the "Italian" findings, it just sounds like the two groups have
different reference populations. FTDNA identifies that group as
"Jewish Diaspora," while My Heritage says that it's Italian. It could
very well be both Jewish and Italian. You can't really tell without
getting more detailed information about their reference groups.

All of these findings are subject to change anyway. This is still a
young science. We're still learning how different populations overlap
genetically. The could both be wrong... or they could both be right.
One thing's for certain, the ethnic groups FTDNA has assigned to my
kits has shifted over the years. There's a good chance that it will
continue to shift in the years to come as more people are tested and
the algorithms are refined.

Mindie Kaplan
Baltimore, Maryland


DNA Research #DNA Re: Ethnicity analysis discrepancy #dna

rayvenna@...
 

Last I heard, FTDNA believed that determining Sephardic vs. Ashkenazi
at the DNA level is very difficult to do with any real level of
confidence, so they're calling all genetically "Jewish" DNA "Jewish
Diaspora."

As for the "Italian" findings, it just sounds like the two groups have
different reference populations. FTDNA identifies that group as
"Jewish Diaspora," while My Heritage says that it's Italian. It could
very well be both Jewish and Italian. You can't really tell without
getting more detailed information about their reference groups.

All of these findings are subject to change anyway. This is still a
young science. We're still learning how different populations overlap
genetically. The could both be wrong... or they could both be right.
One thing's for certain, the ethnic groups FTDNA has assigned to my
kits has shifted over the years. There's a good chance that it will
continue to shift in the years to come as more people are tested and
the algorithms are refined.

Mindie Kaplan
Baltimore, Maryland


Mordhar JOANOVICI or JOINOVICI #romania

Lemberski Evelyne
 

Mordhar JOANOVICI or JOINOVICI

I search the name of the french cemetery where is buried Mordhar JOANOVICI or JOINOVICI born
December 14, 1898 or 1896 in Soroca or CHISNAU in MOLDOVA please?
Do not hesitate to contact me if you have this information


Evelyne LEMBERSKI
evelynelemberski@yahoo.fr
SAINT MAURICE
FRANCE


Romania SIG #Romania Mordhar JOANOVICI or JOINOVICI #romania

Lemberski Evelyne
 

Mordhar JOANOVICI or JOINOVICI

I search the name of the french cemetery where is buried Mordhar JOANOVICI or JOINOVICI born
December 14, 1898 or 1896 in Soroca or CHISNAU in MOLDOVA please?
Do not hesitate to contact me if you have this information


Evelyne LEMBERSKI
evelynelemberski@yahoo.fr
SAINT MAURICE
FRANCE


Re: names #general

Eva Lawrence
 

David Laufer's suggestion of an infant death has made me think again.
It would have to be the first-born Hani (1866) who died, and before the
birth of the second-born (1869) who might well be given the same name.

Birth records specify dates of birth and parentage.
Marriage records specify dates of birth and parentage for both partners.
Death records often give rough dates of birth, and usually name of
partner. Rarely parentage.

We can assume that a 3-year discrepancy in d.o.b can be explained away,
but a discrepancy in parentage cannot. Nor can a (serious) discrepancy
in husband's name.

Hani (b 1866) could well have pretended on marriage that she was born
1869 even if in fact it was 1866.
There is only a problem, if the husband in the 1898 marriage didn't have
the same name as the one in the 1905 death record. ( with Jewish names,
that needs careful inspection.)

In that case, Hani must have married twice, and there will be a second
marriage record to be found. I wouldn't search too hard for an 1869
birth record!

One thing we're all agreed on is that two sisters living with the same
parents and having the same name is unthinkable.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: names #general

Eva Lawrence
 

David Laufer's suggestion of an infant death has made me think again.
It would have to be the first-born Hani (1866) who died, and before the
birth of the second-born (1869) who might well be given the same name.

Birth records specify dates of birth and parentage.
Marriage records specify dates of birth and parentage for both partners.
Death records often give rough dates of birth, and usually name of
partner. Rarely parentage.

We can assume that a 3-year discrepancy in d.o.b can be explained away,
but a discrepancy in parentage cannot. Nor can a (serious) discrepancy
in husband's name.

Hani (b 1866) could well have pretended on marriage that she was born
1869 even if in fact it was 1866.
There is only a problem, if the husband in the 1898 marriage didn't have
the same name as the one in the 1905 death record. ( with Jewish names,
that needs careful inspection.)

In that case, Hani must have married twice, and there will be a second
marriage record to be found. I wouldn't search too hard for an 1869
birth record!

One thing we're all agreed on is that two sisters living with the same
parents and having the same name is unthinkable.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #general

Bruce Drake <BDrake@...>
 

As disheartening it is to recall the anti-Semitism and pogroms that made life
miserable for the Jews in the years before the Holocaust, there is some sense
of satisfaction to be taken >from "Jewish Young Men Give the Cossacks a Lesson,"
a chapter in the Yizkor book of Lowicz in central Poland. The story actually
takes place in Bolimow about ten miles to the east of Lowicz. Envision a group
of Cossacks, after a few bottles of whiskey, galloping on their horses through
the marketplace with whips in their hands, being confronted by a few young
Jewish men, still in their fringed shawls. As the author says, "It was a sight
to be seen," and so was the outcome.

URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/1974070352615110?__tn__=K-R

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #general

Bruce Drake <BDrake@...>
 

As disheartening it is to recall the anti-Semitism and pogroms that made life
miserable for the Jews in the years before the Holocaust, there is some sense
of satisfaction to be taken >from "Jewish Young Men Give the Cossacks a Lesson,"
a chapter in the Yizkor book of Lowicz in central Poland. The story actually
takes place in Bolimow about ten miles to the east of Lowicz. Envision a group
of Cossacks, after a few bottles of whiskey, galloping on their horses through
the marketplace with whips in their hands, being confronted by a few young
Jewish men, still in their fringed shawls. As the author says, "It was a sight
to be seen," and so was the outcome.

URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/1974070352615110?__tn__=K-R

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


Re: Jewish soldiers serving in Franz Yosef's army -- Additional Information #galicia

Madeleine Isenberg
 

To all,

On October 7, 2018, I responded to Jacob Baal-Schem's question about
the Jewish soldiers serving in Franz Yosef's army. I suggested the book
by Erwin A. SCHMIDL, "Jews in the Habsburg Armed Forces," that covers
1788-1918.

Since that posting several people have contacted me asking about where
they can find this book to purchase it, and at one point there were some
copies available >from Amazon. Those seem to have been bought out. Other
possible copies are available (see abebooks.com) in a range of prices that
may be beyond some people's means.

What is probably most important to those interested in the book, is who
might be referenced within this slim volume. I have undertaken to
transcribe the list of names that appear in the "Register/Index." Since I
created only one KehilaLinks website within the "domain" of Gesher
Galicia, for Nowy Targ, if you scroll down to this page,
https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/nowy_targ/Nowy_Targ-Other.html , you
will find a reference to the aforementioned book and if you click on the
Register/Index, you can call up the PDF of the transcribed list.

Be forewarned that the list includes personages who were once world
leaders and obviously not Jewish.

Enjoy!

Madeleine Isenberg
madeleine.isenberg@gmail.com
Beverly Hills, CA

Researching: GOLDMAN, STEINER, LANGER, GLUECKSMAN, STOTTER,
SINGER in various parts of Galicia, Poland, such as: Nowy Targ,
Wachsmund, Lopuszna, Ochotnica, possibly Krakow, who migrated into
Kezmarok or nearby Straszky/Nagy-Eor/Nehre, both now in Slovakia.
GOLDSTEIN in Abaujszina (Sena), Szkaros, Szikso, and Kosice, Slovakia;
Tolcsva, Hungary; Possibly Timosoara, Romania


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Jewish soldiers serving in Franz Yosef's army -- Additional Information #galicia

Madeleine Isenberg
 

To all,

On October 7, 2018, I responded to Jacob Baal-Schem's question about
the Jewish soldiers serving in Franz Yosef's army. I suggested the book
by Erwin A. SCHMIDL, "Jews in the Habsburg Armed Forces," that covers
1788-1918.

Since that posting several people have contacted me asking about where
they can find this book to purchase it, and at one point there were some
copies available >from Amazon. Those seem to have been bought out. Other
possible copies are available (see abebooks.com) in a range of prices that
may be beyond some people's means.

What is probably most important to those interested in the book, is who
might be referenced within this slim volume. I have undertaken to
transcribe the list of names that appear in the "Register/Index." Since I
created only one KehilaLinks website within the "domain" of Gesher
Galicia, for Nowy Targ, if you scroll down to this page,
https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/nowy_targ/Nowy_Targ-Other.html , you
will find a reference to the aforementioned book and if you click on the
Register/Index, you can call up the PDF of the transcribed list.

Be forewarned that the list includes personages who were once world
leaders and obviously not Jewish.

Enjoy!

Madeleine Isenberg
madeleine.isenberg@gmail.com
Beverly Hills, CA

Researching: GOLDMAN, STEINER, LANGER, GLUECKSMAN, STOTTER,
SINGER in various parts of Galicia, Poland, such as: Nowy Targ,
Wachsmund, Lopuszna, Ochotnica, possibly Krakow, who migrated into
Kezmarok or nearby Straszky/Nagy-Eor/Nehre, both now in Slovakia.
GOLDSTEIN in Abaujszina (Sena), Szkaros, Szikso, and Kosice, Slovakia;
Tolcsva, Hungary; Possibly Timosoara, Romania

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