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Re: When Can Immigrants Change Name? #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

My cousin Sarah decided her name was not classy enough so when she graduated >from
high school in 1935 she started using the name Susan. She never had a birth
certificate because she was born at home and the midwife did not register the
birth. She had a social security number and a passport and got married, all with
the name Susan. However, when she went to renew her passport she was told she had
to prove that she was born in the US! She had her elementary school records but
that did not satisfy the bureaucrats.
Finally, the census records showed that her parents, brother, and baby girl
(unnamed) lived in New York City, so that was the proof she used to renew her
passport. At the time illegal immigrants were working in New York, but Susan had
to prove that she belonged. She was quite indignant since she had been working and
paying taxes since the age of 16.
My birth certificate lists my name as Ida, but somewhere along the line I decided
I wanted to use my Jewish middle name as well and signed myself Ida Sara Cohen and
that was my name for years and years. I finally decided that Ida Sara Cohen
Selavan Schwarcz was a bit unwieldy so I went with Ida Selavan Schwarcz. And I was
born a long time after my cousin!
Ida Selavan Schwarcz

Very difficult to trace names. As far as I know, my grandparents did not have to
show anything with their names. I know that my grandfather came here as "Markus"
and changed his name to Max. My grandmother was "Adeline" and changed it to
Adele. Neither did this in any legal way, they just started using the names.>
Leslie Weinberg
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: When Can Immigrants Change Name? #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

My cousin Sarah decided her name was not classy enough so when she graduated >from
high school in 1935 she started using the name Susan. She never had a birth
certificate because she was born at home and the midwife did not register the
birth. She had a social security number and a passport and got married, all with
the name Susan. However, when she went to renew her passport she was told she had
to prove that she was born in the US! She had her elementary school records but
that did not satisfy the bureaucrats.
Finally, the census records showed that her parents, brother, and baby girl
(unnamed) lived in New York City, so that was the proof she used to renew her
passport. At the time illegal immigrants were working in New York, but Susan had
to prove that she belonged. She was quite indignant since she had been working and
paying taxes since the age of 16.
My birth certificate lists my name as Ida, but somewhere along the line I decided
I wanted to use my Jewish middle name as well and signed myself Ida Sara Cohen and
that was my name for years and years. I finally decided that Ida Sara Cohen
Selavan Schwarcz was a bit unwieldy so I went with Ida Selavan Schwarcz. And I was
born a long time after my cousin!
Ida Selavan Schwarcz

Very difficult to trace names. As far as I know, my grandparents did not have to
show anything with their names. I know that my grandfather came here as "Markus"
and changed his name to Max. My grandmother was "Adeline" and changed it to
Adele. Neither did this in any legal way, they just started using the names.>
Leslie Weinberg
Do Kovno vital records include events in Aleksotas? #lithuania

Ted Gostin
 

Does anyone know if the Kovno vital records that are available
through the FHL include events that occurred in Aleksotas (Aleksat)?
Aleksotas was essentially a suburb of Kovno, and it was common for
births, marriages and deaths in such communities to be recorded in
the registers of larger, neighboring communities.

The difference here is that Aleksotas was actually in a different
gubernia than Kovno, since the Nieman River that separated them
was the border bewteen Kovno and Suwalki gubernias. I don't know if
this would have affected where the vital records would be recorded. I
know that in some places (outside of Russia), vital records districts
crossed political district boundaries, but I don't know if that was the
case here. Existing inventories don't show any surviving vital recrods
for Aleksotas, suggesting that they were either included in the
registers of another community or that they were destroyed or lost.

If anyone has reviewed the Kovno vital records and knows whether
Aleksotas events are included, please let me know.

Thanks.

Ted Gostin
Los Angeles, CA
tedgostin@...
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Do Kovno vital records include events in Aleksotas? #lithuania

Ted Gostin
 

Does anyone know if the Kovno vital records that are available
through the FHL include events that occurred in Aleksotas (Aleksat)?
Aleksotas was essentially a suburb of Kovno, and it was common for
births, marriages and deaths in such communities to be recorded in
the registers of larger, neighboring communities.

The difference here is that Aleksotas was actually in a different
gubernia than Kovno, since the Nieman River that separated them
was the border bewteen Kovno and Suwalki gubernias. I don't know if
this would have affected where the vital records would be recorded. I
know that in some places (outside of Russia), vital records districts
crossed political district boundaries, but I don't know if that was the
case here. Existing inventories don't show any surviving vital recrods
for Aleksotas, suggesting that they were either included in the
registers of another community or that they were destroyed or lost.

If anyone has reviewed the Kovno vital records and knows whether
Aleksotas events are included, please let me know.

Thanks.

Ted Gostin
Los Angeles, CA
tedgostin@...
A Treasure #poland

Albert Singer <al2chris@...>
 

Jenni Buch not only created the most impressive yiskor book on my ancestral
town of Kamenetz but took me by the hand and led me thru this computer maze
so that I could find it She is truly a treasure in our jewish gen

al singer
schenectady ny

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Mr. Singer is referring to the town of Kamenetz Litevske,
Belarus, which is located 57.8 miles south southeast of Bialystok. The
Yizkor Book is located on the translations page of the JewishGen Yizkor
Book Project www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/
BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland A Treasure #poland

Albert Singer <al2chris@...>
 

Jenni Buch not only created the most impressive yiskor book on my ancestral
town of Kamenetz but took me by the hand and led me thru this computer maze
so that I could find it She is truly a treasure in our jewish gen

al singer
schenectady ny

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Mr. Singer is referring to the town of Kamenetz Litevske,
Belarus, which is located 57.8 miles south southeast of Bialystok. The
Yizkor Book is located on the translations page of the JewishGen Yizkor
Book Project www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/
Re: When Can Immigrants Change Name? #general

Barbara Ellman <barbaraellman@...>
 

My great-grandfather & his brother changed their last names in Europe. The
family story is that they were trying to escape being taken into the army. We
don't know what the original name was but the manifest and documents in the US
agree on the basic name, if not the spelling of the name.

No one checked to see proof of who they were. They were accepted as listed on
the manifest.

Barbara Ellman
Secaucus, NJ
barbaraellman@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: When Can Immigrants Change Name? #general

Barbara Ellman <barbaraellman@...>
 

My great-grandfather & his brother changed their last names in Europe. The
family story is that they were trying to escape being taken into the army. We
don't know what the original name was but the manifest and documents in the US
agree on the basic name, if not the spelling of the name.

No one checked to see proof of who they were. They were accepted as listed on
the manifest.

Barbara Ellman
Secaucus, NJ
barbaraellman@...
Intro to Jewish Genealogy, Center for Jewish History, NYC #ukraine

Robert Friedman <rfriedman@...>
 

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of family history
research, with ample time allowed for questions and answers. Beginning steps include
oral history, "family archives" containing treasured photographs and documents,
and selected Internet sites. Most information, however, must still be gleaned from
source documents such as the US census, immigration and naturalization papers, vital
records, cemetery and funeral home records, newspapers, city directories, and telephone
books. Special topics to consider while searching for relatives include the origins
of Jewish surnames, language and spelling variations, the accuracy and completeness
of records, and the historical context in which various records were created and
used.

LIMITED ENROLLMENT -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@...

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates with the CJH partners--the
American Jewish Historical Society, the American Sephardi Federation, the Leo Baeck
Institute, the Yeshiva University Museum, and the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research--to
provide access to family history reference materials, answer questions about family
history research, orient family history researchers to the collections at CJH, and offer=20
programs on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@...
www.cjh.org/family/
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Intro to Jewish Genealogy, Center for Jewish History, NYC #ukraine

Robert Friedman <rfriedman@...>
 

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of family history
research, with ample time allowed for questions and answers. Beginning steps include
oral history, "family archives" containing treasured photographs and documents,
and selected Internet sites. Most information, however, must still be gleaned from
source documents such as the US census, immigration and naturalization papers, vital
records, cemetery and funeral home records, newspapers, city directories, and telephone
books. Special topics to consider while searching for relatives include the origins
of Jewish surnames, language and spelling variations, the accuracy and completeness
of records, and the historical context in which various records were created and
used.

LIMITED ENROLLMENT -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@...

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates with the CJH partners--the
American Jewish Historical Society, the American Sephardi Federation, the Leo Baeck
Institute, the Yeshiva University Museum, and the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research--to
provide access to family history reference materials, answer questions about family
history research, orient family history researchers to the collections at CJH, and offer=20
programs on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@...
www.cjh.org/family/
Intro to Jewish Genealogy, Center for Jewish History, NYC #france

Robert Friedman <rfriedman@...>
 

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of
family history research, with ample time allowed for questions and answers.
Beginning steps include oral history, "family archives" containing treasured
photographs and documents,and selected Internet sites. Most information,
however, must still be gleaned >from source documents such as the US census,
immigration and naturalization papers, vital records, cemetery and funeral
home records, newspapers, city directories, and telephone books. Special
topics to consider while searching for relatives include the origins
of Jewish surnames, language and spelling variations, the accuracy and completeness
of records, and the historical context in which various records were
created and used.

LIMITED ENROLLMENT -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@...

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates with the
CJH partners--the American Jewish Historical Society, the American Sephardi
Federation, the Leo Baeck Institute, the Yeshiva University Museum, and
the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research--to
provide access to family history reference materials, answer questions
about family history research, orient family history researchers to the
collections at CJH, and offer programs on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@...
www.cjh.org/family/
French SIG #France Intro to Jewish Genealogy, Center for Jewish History, NYC #france

Robert Friedman <rfriedman@...>
 

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of
family history research, with ample time allowed for questions and answers.
Beginning steps include oral history, "family archives" containing treasured
photographs and documents,and selected Internet sites. Most information,
however, must still be gleaned >from source documents such as the US census,
immigration and naturalization papers, vital records, cemetery and funeral
home records, newspapers, city directories, and telephone books. Special
topics to consider while searching for relatives include the origins
of Jewish surnames, language and spelling variations, the accuracy and completeness
of records, and the historical context in which various records were
created and used.

LIMITED ENROLLMENT -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@...

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates with the
CJH partners--the American Jewish Historical Society, the American Sephardi
Federation, the Leo Baeck Institute, the Yeshiva University Museum, and
the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research--to
provide access to family history reference materials, answer questions
about family history research, orient family history researchers to the
collections at CJH, and offer programs on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@...
www.cjh.org/family/
KRYSTAL relatives in Paris #france

Sara Crystal <scrapbasket@...>
 

dear friends, I am searching for CRYSTAL/KRYSTAL relatives and
history. My grandfather Joseph CRYSTAL/KRYSTAL and his brother
George/Gdalja/Gustav/Gustain had an older brother and possibly a sister
in Paris in 1904-WWII. They were all >from Warsaw, Poland or possibly
Grawejo or the Piotrkow Gubernia in Poland. This brother was
successful in diamond jewelry sales and manufacture >from 1902(?) or so.
The name of the business in Newark and NYC was LA PEARIS or something
like that. My grandfather Joe used to write letters in Hebrew to his
brother.I have heard that the jewelry is now collectable. Can you help
take me further or does this information ring any bells? Family
history says most CRYSTAL that remained in Poland and France perished
but one or two survived.

Yours, Sara CRYSTAL in Oakland Ca searching for
CRYSTAL/KRYSZTAL/KRISTAL/KRYSTAL in Warsaw,Grawejo,Poland and
RABINOWITZ, FRIDMAN in Lithuania

MODERATOR NOTE: Family names only must be entered in capital letters,
for easier visibility.
French SIG #France KRYSTAL relatives in Paris #france

Sara Crystal <scrapbasket@...>
 

dear friends, I am searching for CRYSTAL/KRYSTAL relatives and
history. My grandfather Joseph CRYSTAL/KRYSTAL and his brother
George/Gdalja/Gustav/Gustain had an older brother and possibly a sister
in Paris in 1904-WWII. They were all >from Warsaw, Poland or possibly
Grawejo or the Piotrkow Gubernia in Poland. This brother was
successful in diamond jewelry sales and manufacture >from 1902(?) or so.
The name of the business in Newark and NYC was LA PEARIS or something
like that. My grandfather Joe used to write letters in Hebrew to his
brother.I have heard that the jewelry is now collectable. Can you help
take me further or does this information ring any bells? Family
history says most CRYSTAL that remained in Poland and France perished
but one or two survived.

Yours, Sara CRYSTAL in Oakland Ca searching for
CRYSTAL/KRYSZTAL/KRISTAL/KRYSTAL in Warsaw,Grawejo,Poland and
RABINOWITZ, FRIDMAN in Lithuania

MODERATOR NOTE: Family names only must be entered in capital letters,
for easier visibility.
Pierre LEVY and Madeleine BERNHEIM #france

Abraham Blum <blum@...>
 

Maybe I lost some e-mails, while being away.
I look for the birth (ca. 1789), marriage and death dates of Pierre LEVY
and of his wife Madeleine BERNHEIM, born 2.3.1789 in Hagenthal. Their
daughter Julie Levy was born 8.12.1815 in Mulhouse. I have information on
the ancestors of Madeleine BERNHEIM, but not on Pierre LEVY.

Abraham BLUM, Rishon Lezion, Israel
blum@...


Leopold LEVY died 23 Nov 1825 in Mulhouse at the age of 4 year and 11 month
Father Pierre LEVY and Mother Madeleine BERNHEIM

information on the parents is of interest

Pierre M. Hahn, San Francisco



---
Abraham Blum
Hashomer 12/9
Rishon Lezion 75324
Israel
Phone/fax: (972) 3 958 18 21
e-mail: blum@...
Yahrzeit - SHAPIRA brothers of Slavuta #rabbinic

Ginsburg, Paul W <GinsburgP@...>
 

Does anyone know the yahrzeits of R. Shmuel Abba SHAPIRA and
R. Pinchas SHAPIRA of Slavuta?

Paul W. Ginsburg
Rockville, Maryland
http://www.sudilkov.com
French SIG #France Pierre LEVY and Madeleine BERNHEIM #france

Abraham Blum <blum@...>
 

Maybe I lost some e-mails, while being away.
I look for the birth (ca. 1789), marriage and death dates of Pierre LEVY
and of his wife Madeleine BERNHEIM, born 2.3.1789 in Hagenthal. Their
daughter Julie Levy was born 8.12.1815 in Mulhouse. I have information on
the ancestors of Madeleine BERNHEIM, but not on Pierre LEVY.

Abraham BLUM, Rishon Lezion, Israel
blum@...


Leopold LEVY died 23 Nov 1825 in Mulhouse at the age of 4 year and 11 month
Father Pierre LEVY and Mother Madeleine BERNHEIM

information on the parents is of interest

Pierre M. Hahn, San Francisco



---
Abraham Blum
Hashomer 12/9
Rishon Lezion 75324
Israel
Phone/fax: (972) 3 958 18 21
e-mail: blum@...
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Yahrzeit - SHAPIRA brothers of Slavuta #rabbinic

Ginsburg, Paul W <GinsburgP@...>
 

Does anyone know the yahrzeits of R. Shmuel Abba SHAPIRA and
R. Pinchas SHAPIRA of Slavuta?

Paul W. Ginsburg
Rockville, Maryland
http://www.sudilkov.com
Ref: More questions about names #hungary

Ruben Weiser <weiser@...>
 

I also seen many children named with the same names as their parents.
First i suposse that this parents died before the child was named but i
found some cases when the parents were still alive.
Then i suposse they were not ortodox but also find out some of them were.
My concluttion is that hungarian jewish, specialy ortodox, didn't care about
the civil names because they regularly used their jewish names.and there is
not any prohibition about civil names the customs are only about jewish
names.
I have an ancestor with the jewish name Yakov Itzchak that was written in 3
diferents civil registers as 1)jeno,2)jakob,3)icik. he can have a son with
the jewish name joshua with the civil name also jeno,because their jewish
names was not the same.

Ruben Weiser
Buenos Aires
Argentina

Subject: Re: More questions about names
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@...>
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:14:50 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 1

To my experience >from looking at countless Hungarian pre 1895 B,M,D
FHL Films as well as about 50,000 records for the 1848 census, children
having the same secular name as their parents is very common.

Go on the AHD search the records for any town and look at the result.

Robert Neu
Hungary SIG #Hungary Ref: More questions about names #hungary

Ruben Weiser <weiser@...>
 

I also seen many children named with the same names as their parents.
First i suposse that this parents died before the child was named but i
found some cases when the parents were still alive.
Then i suposse they were not ortodox but also find out some of them were.
My concluttion is that hungarian jewish, specialy ortodox, didn't care about
the civil names because they regularly used their jewish names.and there is
not any prohibition about civil names the customs are only about jewish
names.
I have an ancestor with the jewish name Yakov Itzchak that was written in 3
diferents civil registers as 1)jeno,2)jakob,3)icik. he can have a son with
the jewish name joshua with the civil name also jeno,because their jewish
names was not the same.

Ruben Weiser
Buenos Aires
Argentina

Subject: Re: More questions about names
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@...>
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:14:50 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 1

To my experience >from looking at countless Hungarian pre 1895 B,M,D
FHL Films as well as about 50,000 records for the 1848 census, children
having the same secular name as their parents is very common.

Go on the AHD search the records for any town and look at the result.

Robert Neu
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