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Keidan Vital Records Project: Questions Welcome #general

Olga Zabludoff <ozabludoff@...>
 

When the Keidan Vital Records Indexing Project went into action less than a
year ago, I received an avalanche of inquiries I was unable to answer.
Everyone wanted to know whether I had records for their grandparents,
great-grandparents and g-g-gs. No one seemed to realize that I didn't know
what I had. There was no index and translations had not yet begun.

But the questions continued. After 25 years of Keidan birth records had been
translated, I compiled a rudimentary surname index based on those translated
records. Now I was able to give the basics: how many birth records I had for
a given surname. But the questions continued, searching for more specific
information that I could not provide.

Keidaners, now you can ask again if I have your great-great-grandfather's
birth record, and I will find the answer in about three seconds, thanks to
Jose Gutstein who has applied his imaginative hi-tech skills in designing
the perfect instrument for us. Forty-one years of translated birth records
have now been distributed in a new format which has been greeted with
"WOWs" >from recipients. By April all the birth records will be completed
--some 4,500--and translation of the marriage records will commence.

To find out more about our dynamic Vital Records Indexing Project, please
visit the LitvakSIG VRI Project website:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeol99x/

and contact me privately with your questions.

Olga Zabludoff
Keidan VRI Coordinator


Khaim BERG from Vysokoye, Belarus who lives in Israel #general

Lee Nydell
 

I would like to thank everyone in Israel who assisted me in locating
Chaim Berg, whose father was born in Vysokoye, Belarus. Ella from
Israel was able to locate his telephone number and speak to him on the
telephone. He unfortunately does not speak English or Hebrew and only
a little Yiddish. His main language is Russian.

His family does come >from Vysokoye and he indicated that "not many
Jews survived >from Vysokoye, he himself escaped to Russia, served in
the Red Army and after the war lived in Uzbekistan until his
emigration to Israel in 1990."

I would like to locate someone in Israel who speaks Russian and can
call Mr. Berg on the telephone. For Berg's privacy I will not post his
telephone number here.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

--
Lee Nydell
Irvine, California, United States lnydell@...
Researching - NADEL, NUDEL, NIEDLE >from Russia, Belarus and Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Keidan Vital Records Project: Questions Welcome #general

Olga Zabludoff <ozabludoff@...>
 

When the Keidan Vital Records Indexing Project went into action less than a
year ago, I received an avalanche of inquiries I was unable to answer.
Everyone wanted to know whether I had records for their grandparents,
great-grandparents and g-g-gs. No one seemed to realize that I didn't know
what I had. There was no index and translations had not yet begun.

But the questions continued. After 25 years of Keidan birth records had been
translated, I compiled a rudimentary surname index based on those translated
records. Now I was able to give the basics: how many birth records I had for
a given surname. But the questions continued, searching for more specific
information that I could not provide.

Keidaners, now you can ask again if I have your great-great-grandfather's
birth record, and I will find the answer in about three seconds, thanks to
Jose Gutstein who has applied his imaginative hi-tech skills in designing
the perfect instrument for us. Forty-one years of translated birth records
have now been distributed in a new format which has been greeted with
"WOWs" >from recipients. By April all the birth records will be completed
--some 4,500--and translation of the marriage records will commence.

To find out more about our dynamic Vital Records Indexing Project, please
visit the LitvakSIG VRI Project website:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeol99x/

and contact me privately with your questions.

Olga Zabludoff
Keidan VRI Coordinator


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Khaim BERG from Vysokoye, Belarus who lives in Israel #general

Lee Nydell
 

I would like to thank everyone in Israel who assisted me in locating
Chaim Berg, whose father was born in Vysokoye, Belarus. Ella from
Israel was able to locate his telephone number and speak to him on the
telephone. He unfortunately does not speak English or Hebrew and only
a little Yiddish. His main language is Russian.

His family does come >from Vysokoye and he indicated that "not many
Jews survived >from Vysokoye, he himself escaped to Russia, served in
the Red Army and after the war lived in Uzbekistan until his
emigration to Israel in 1990."

I would like to locate someone in Israel who speaks Russian and can
call Mr. Berg on the telephone. For Berg's privacy I will not post his
telephone number here.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

--
Lee Nydell
Irvine, California, United States lnydell@...
Researching - NADEL, NUDEL, NIEDLE >from Russia, Belarus and Poland


International Institute for Jewish Genealogy Opens in Jerusalem #unitedkingdom

Gary Mokotoff- <mokotoff@...>
 

The International Institute for Jewish Genealogy and Paul Jacobi Center
opened this week. Located at the Jewish National and University Library at
Givat Ram, Jerusalem, the new Institute, a non-profit organization, has two
main aims: (1) to engage in Jewish genealogical research and teaching at the
university level and (2) to make Jewish Genealogy a recognized academic
discipline within the realm of Jewish Studies.

The Institute is the only one of its kind in the Jewish world. It plans to
operate on an interdisciplinary basis and also in a collaborative way with
organizations engaged in aspects of Jewish genealogy. It will put a premium
on innovative programs and projects of practical benefit to individual
family historians.

Its establishment is the result of efforts over the last two years of an
international Founding Committee, headed by Sallyann Sack, of Washington,
DC. and Yosef Lamdan of Israel. Lamdan, a former Israeli ambassador to the
Vatican, has been appointed as Director of the Institute.

One of its first projects is an academic symposium to be held in Jerusalem
in September with a view to setting research and teaching priorities for the
new Institute. Experts >from the academic and genealogical world will be
presenting papers.

Its e-mail address is info@....

Gary Mokotoff
Member of Founding Committee


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom International Institute for Jewish Genealogy Opens in Jerusalem #unitedkingdom

Gary Mokotoff- <mokotoff@...>
 

The International Institute for Jewish Genealogy and Paul Jacobi Center
opened this week. Located at the Jewish National and University Library at
Givat Ram, Jerusalem, the new Institute, a non-profit organization, has two
main aims: (1) to engage in Jewish genealogical research and teaching at the
university level and (2) to make Jewish Genealogy a recognized academic
discipline within the realm of Jewish Studies.

The Institute is the only one of its kind in the Jewish world. It plans to
operate on an interdisciplinary basis and also in a collaborative way with
organizations engaged in aspects of Jewish genealogy. It will put a premium
on innovative programs and projects of practical benefit to individual
family historians.

Its establishment is the result of efforts over the last two years of an
international Founding Committee, headed by Sallyann Sack, of Washington,
DC. and Yosef Lamdan of Israel. Lamdan, a former Israeli ambassador to the
Vatican, has been appointed as Director of the Institute.

One of its first projects is an academic symposium to be held in Jerusalem
in September with a view to setting research and teaching priorities for the
new Institute. Experts >from the academic and genealogical world will be
presenting papers.

Its e-mail address is info@....

Gary Mokotoff
Member of Founding Committee


Re: mtDNA: Whom to test? #dna

Pam Weston <pweston@...>
 

On 2006.02.03, I wrote:

Would there be any difference in the test results if I tested my
mother, myself, my daughter, or my granddaughter? Would the mtDNA
all be exactly the same?
Thank you everyone who answered my question about testing
differences in mother, daughter, or granddaughter.

Pam Weston


DNA Research #DNA Re: mtDNA: Whom to test? #dna

Pam Weston <pweston@...>
 

On 2006.02.03, I wrote:

Would there be any difference in the test results if I tested my
mother, myself, my daughter, or my granddaughter? Would the mtDNA
all be exactly the same?
Thank you everyone who answered my question about testing
differences in mother, daughter, or granddaughter.

Pam Weston


International Institute for Jewish Genealogy Opens in Jerusalem #rabbinic

Gary Mokotoff- <mokotoff@...>
 

The International Institute for Jewish Genealogy and Paul Jacobi
Center opened this week. Located at the Jewish National and
University Library at Givat Ram, Jerusalem, the new Institute, a
non-profit organization, has two main aims: (1) to engage in Jewish
genealogical research and teaching at the university level and (2)
to make Jewish Genealogy a recognized academic discipline within the
realm of Jewish Studies.

The Institute is the only one of its kind in the Jewish world. It
plans to operate on an interdisciplinary basis and also in a
collaborative way with organizations engaged in aspects of Jewish
genealogy. It will put a premium on innovative programs and projects
of practical benefit to individual family historians.

Its establishment is the result of efforts over the last two years
of an international Founding Committee, headed by Sallyann Sack, of
Washington, DC. and Yosef Lamdan of Israel. Lamdan, a former Israeli
ambassador to the Vatican, has been appointed as Director of the
Institute.

One of its first projects is an academic symposium to be held in
Jerusalem in September with a view to setting research and teaching
priorities for the new Institute. Experts >from the academic and
genealogical world will be presenting papers.

Its e-mail address is info@....

Gary Mokotoff
Member of Founding Committee


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic International Institute for Jewish Genealogy Opens in Jerusalem #rabbinic

Gary Mokotoff- <mokotoff@...>
 

The International Institute for Jewish Genealogy and Paul Jacobi
Center opened this week. Located at the Jewish National and
University Library at Givat Ram, Jerusalem, the new Institute, a
non-profit organization, has two main aims: (1) to engage in Jewish
genealogical research and teaching at the university level and (2)
to make Jewish Genealogy a recognized academic discipline within the
realm of Jewish Studies.

The Institute is the only one of its kind in the Jewish world. It
plans to operate on an interdisciplinary basis and also in a
collaborative way with organizations engaged in aspects of Jewish
genealogy. It will put a premium on innovative programs and projects
of practical benefit to individual family historians.

Its establishment is the result of efforts over the last two years
of an international Founding Committee, headed by Sallyann Sack, of
Washington, DC. and Yosef Lamdan of Israel. Lamdan, a former Israeli
ambassador to the Vatican, has been appointed as Director of the
Institute.

One of its first projects is an academic symposium to be held in
Jerusalem in September with a view to setting research and teaching
priorities for the new Institute. Experts >from the academic and
genealogical world will be presenting papers.

Its e-mail address is info@....

Gary Mokotoff
Member of Founding Committee


Shach, Meginei Shlomo-Pnei Yehoshua, Chacham Tzvi #rabbinic

Pnina Meislish <pniname@...>
 

Dear friends,

How can I find my links to my GGGG fathers: Shach, Meginei
Shlomo-Pnei Yehoshua, Chacham Tzvi? They are >from the side of
my father Moshe Tzvi MANDELBOIM ben Aharon Joseph ben Shmuel,
of Krakow.

Thanks,

Dr. Pnina Meislish
Jerusalem


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Shach, Meginei Shlomo-Pnei Yehoshua, Chacham Tzvi #rabbinic

Pnina Meislish <pniname@...>
 

Dear friends,

How can I find my links to my GGGG fathers: Shach, Meginei
Shlomo-Pnei Yehoshua, Chacham Tzvi? They are >from the side of
my father Moshe Tzvi MANDELBOIM ben Aharon Joseph ben Shmuel,
of Krakow.

Thanks,

Dr. Pnina Meislish
Jerusalem


International Institute for Jewish Genealogy Opens in Jerusalem #ukraine

Gary Mokotoff- <mokotoff@...>
 

The International Institute for Jewish Genealogy and Paul Jacobi Center
opened this week. Located at the Jewish National and University Library at
Givat Ram, Jerusalem, the new Institute, a non-profit organization, has two
main aims: (1) to engage in Jewish genealogical research and teaching at the
university level and (2) to make Jewish Genealogy a recognized academic
discipline within the realm of Jewish Studies.

The Institute is the only one of its kind in the Jewish world. It plans to
operate on an interdisciplinary basis and also in a collaborative way with
organizations engaged in aspects of Jewish genealogy. It will put a premium
on innovative programs and projects of practical benefit to individual
family historians.

Its establishment is the result of efforts over the last two years of an
international Founding Committee, headed by Sallyann Sack, of Washington,
DC. and Yosef Lamdan of Israel. Lamdan, a former Israeli ambassador to the
Vatican, has been appointed as Director of the Institute.

One of its first projects is an academic symposium to be held in Jerusalem
in September with a view to setting research and teaching priorities for the
new Institute. Experts >from the academic and genealogical world will be
presenting papers.

Its e-mail address is info@....

Gary Mokotoff
Member of Founding Committee


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine International Institute for Jewish Genealogy Opens in Jerusalem #ukraine

Gary Mokotoff- <mokotoff@...>
 

The International Institute for Jewish Genealogy and Paul Jacobi Center
opened this week. Located at the Jewish National and University Library at
Givat Ram, Jerusalem, the new Institute, a non-profit organization, has two
main aims: (1) to engage in Jewish genealogical research and teaching at the
university level and (2) to make Jewish Genealogy a recognized academic
discipline within the realm of Jewish Studies.

The Institute is the only one of its kind in the Jewish world. It plans to
operate on an interdisciplinary basis and also in a collaborative way with
organizations engaged in aspects of Jewish genealogy. It will put a premium
on innovative programs and projects of practical benefit to individual
family historians.

Its establishment is the result of efforts over the last two years of an
international Founding Committee, headed by Sallyann Sack, of Washington,
DC. and Yosef Lamdan of Israel. Lamdan, a former Israeli ambassador to the
Vatican, has been appointed as Director of the Institute.

One of its first projects is an academic symposium to be held in Jerusalem
in September with a view to setting research and teaching priorities for the
new Institute. Experts >from the academic and genealogical world will be
presenting papers.

Its e-mail address is info@....

Gary Mokotoff
Member of Founding Committee


French-name for SCHORNSHEIM and FRIESENHEIM #france

Hanna Goldmann
 

Dear All,

Is there anyone who knows the French-names for
SCHORNSHEIM and FRIESENHEIM during the occupation of
the Rhineland 1792?

Thanks in advance.

Hanna Goldmann, Germany


French SIG #France French-name for SCHORNSHEIM and FRIESENHEIM #france

Hanna Goldmann
 

Dear All,

Is there anyone who knows the French-names for
SCHORNSHEIM and FRIESENHEIM during the occupation of
the Rhineland 1792?

Thanks in advance.

Hanna Goldmann, Germany


Re: Rashi family #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

In 1000 years, you have many, many Nth great grandparents - more than there
were Jews in Western Europe. We see that in the prevalence of certain
genetic diseases which are amazingly prevalent in the Ashkenazi Jews. We
see that in DNA research. And this is based in theory as well, as we have
talked about on Jewishgen several times before.

The fact is, Ashkenazi Jews are probably all descended >from Rashi if any one
of us is. Perhaps the Jaffe family remembers the family descent that many
others don't. But that is the problem with much of DNA used for genealogy
purposes; if you aren't fourth cousins to someone that you think you might
be related, the DNA tests can tell you whether your father's father's
father's...father or mother's mother' mother's...mother was or was not the
same, but there are other ancestors of the same degree. If the DNA test for
your paternal line say you aren't fifth cousins with somebody, that does not
mean you aren't related in another line, or that you are not sixth or
seventh cousins.

What happens is this: On my Sephardic line, I found who I thought was a
20th cousin! Amazing, here was somebody who had my same ancestor who lived
in 1600! We traded Gedcom files, and, surprise, we are 5th cousins in
another line.

Among the Sephardi, it is much easier to trace distant cousins because they
had family names much earlier, and in some places the records are very good.
But that doesn't mean that genetics and relationships work differently in
the Sephardi than in the Ashkenazi. I always write and tell somebody that
is thinking about a DNA test to see if another person of the X family >from a
certain area is really related: "If you aren't 4th cousins in the
all-paternal line (where the surname was handed down), you are certainly 5th
or so cousins and cousins in other lines. If a person wants to do a DNA
test, I think that they should know that a negative result doesn't exclude
much, simply one ancestral line to some degree.

In Rashi's case, there is no chance to test your father's father's father's
line, as Rashi had no sons. You might test to see if your mother's mother's
mother's...line is related by Rashi's wife (assuming there was only one,
which might well not be true). And that would be only the all-maternal line
that was tested.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rashi family #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

In 1000 years, you have many, many Nth great grandparents - more than there
were Jews in Western Europe. We see that in the prevalence of certain
genetic diseases which are amazingly prevalent in the Ashkenazi Jews. We
see that in DNA research. And this is based in theory as well, as we have
talked about on Jewishgen several times before.

The fact is, Ashkenazi Jews are probably all descended >from Rashi if any one
of us is. Perhaps the Jaffe family remembers the family descent that many
others don't. But that is the problem with much of DNA used for genealogy
purposes; if you aren't fourth cousins to someone that you think you might
be related, the DNA tests can tell you whether your father's father's
father's...father or mother's mother' mother's...mother was or was not the
same, but there are other ancestors of the same degree. If the DNA test for
your paternal line say you aren't fifth cousins with somebody, that does not
mean you aren't related in another line, or that you are not sixth or
seventh cousins.

What happens is this: On my Sephardic line, I found who I thought was a
20th cousin! Amazing, here was somebody who had my same ancestor who lived
in 1600! We traded Gedcom files, and, surprise, we are 5th cousins in
another line.

Among the Sephardi, it is much easier to trace distant cousins because they
had family names much earlier, and in some places the records are very good.
But that doesn't mean that genetics and relationships work differently in
the Sephardi than in the Ashkenazi. I always write and tell somebody that
is thinking about a DNA test to see if another person of the X family >from a
certain area is really related: "If you aren't 4th cousins in the
all-paternal line (where the surname was handed down), you are certainly 5th
or so cousins and cousins in other lines. If a person wants to do a DNA
test, I think that they should know that a negative result doesn't exclude
much, simply one ancestral line to some degree.

In Rashi's case, there is no chance to test your father's father's father's
line, as Rashi had no sons. You might test to see if your mother's mother's
mother's...line is related by Rashi's wife (assuming there was only one,
which might well not be true). And that would be only the all-maternal line
that was tested.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ


Romanian Shtetl "Hunbany" #general

Albert Brookenthal <albert@...>
 

Shalom all Jewish-Genners: I have been researching for the Romanian Shtetl
where my GGF & GGM is originally from. Finally, with the help of a
Ancestry.com and an assistant in the Toledo-Lucas County Library - Local
History & Genealogy Dept., we located the Shtetl-Village name Hunbany,
Romania. I have also tried to find this Shtetl on a map with no success. Is
there someone in either JewishGen or ROM-SIG that would be able to find this
Shtetl on a map?? Please answere to me personally and I thank you.
Albert BROOKENTHAL
Toledo, Ohio - U.S.A.
albert @ accesstoledo.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Romanian Shtetl "Hunbany" #general

Albert Brookenthal <albert@...>
 

Shalom all Jewish-Genners: I have been researching for the Romanian Shtetl
where my GGF & GGM is originally from. Finally, with the help of a
Ancestry.com and an assistant in the Toledo-Lucas County Library - Local
History & Genealogy Dept., we located the Shtetl-Village name Hunbany,
Romania. I have also tried to find this Shtetl on a map with no success. Is
there someone in either JewishGen or ROM-SIG that would be able to find this
Shtetl on a map?? Please answere to me personally and I thank you.
Albert BROOKENTHAL
Toledo, Ohio - U.S.A.
albert @ accesstoledo.com