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GOLDBERG Zvi Hirsch and Ahuva (nee ZIGELROT), South Africa
#general
arnonh@tapuz.co.il <arnonh@...>
Hello, Dear Colleague Genners!
I'm looking for the descendants of Zvi Hirsch GOLDBERG (b 1896, Rishon LeZion, Isarel; d 1948, South Africa) and his wife, Ahuva (Lubba) nee ZIGELROT (b 1897, Rishon LeZion, Isarel; d South Africa They had two children, probably still born while in Israel, who lived in South Africa: * Abraham (b 1920; d 1988, Cape Towm, South Africa), married Maurin They had two boys: Garry, Glenn, one of them was a physician who immigrated to the states * Batia (b 1922; might be still alive), married and later divorced Moshe Morris FEIG/PAGE (d 1982, Johannesburg, South Africa) Their children: Howard, Tonny Zvi Hirsch was my grandmother's cousin, and I'm trying to reconstruct the connection with this family, in order to make my family picture brighter and clearer Any help will be much appreciated Yours sincerely, Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel arnonh@...
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Re: site: the victims of political terror in USSR
#galicia
Marjorie Rosenfeld <marjorierosenfeld@...>
from what I've been able to read on the Internet, it appears that atroika was a 3-man Russian tribunal with the power to impose sentences such as imprisonment or execution. Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld Carlsbad, CA -----Original Message----- From: Assaf Urieli [mailto:assaf@...] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [litvaksig] site: the victims of political terror in USSR ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi all, Incredible - the first positive proof in over 60 years of my great-uncle Grisha Rabinowitz's arrest and assassination. I'm still checking with my family for confirmation, but I cannot imagine more than one Girsh Iosefovitch Rabinovitch born in Marijampole at around that time. Any idea how we can find out more about the sources for this list? e.g. "Source: Information DKNB RK Atyrau region." Also, what does "Troika" mean in this context? "20.10.1938 troika with UNKVD on Gurevskoy region" Rgds, Assaf URIELI Pau, France
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GOLDBERG Zvi Hirsch and Ahuva (nee ZIGELROT), South Africa
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arnonh@tapuz.co.il <arnonh@...>
Hello, Dear Colleague Genners!
I'm looking for the descendants of Zvi Hirsch GOLDBERG (b 1896, Rishon LeZion, Isarel; d 1948, South Africa) and his wife, Ahuva (Lubba) nee ZIGELROT (b 1897, Rishon LeZion, Isarel; d South Africa They had two children, probably still born while in Israel, who lived in South Africa: * Abraham (b 1920; d 1988, Cape Towm, South Africa), married Maurin They had two boys: Garry, Glenn, one of them was a physician who immigrated to the states * Batia (b 1922; might be still alive), married and later divorced Moshe Morris FEIG/PAGE (d 1982, Johannesburg, South Africa) Their children: Howard, Tonny Zvi Hirsch was my grandmother's cousin, and I'm trying to reconstruct the connection with this family, in order to make my family picture brighter and clearer Any help will be much appreciated Yours sincerely, Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel arnonh@...
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: site: the victims of political terror in USSR
#lithuania
Marjorie Rosenfeld <marjorierosenfeld@...>
from what I've been able to read on the Internet, it appears that atroika was a 3-man Russian tribunal with the power to impose sentences such as imprisonment or execution. Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld Carlsbad, CA -----Original Message----- From: Assaf Urieli [mailto:assaf@...] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [litvaksig] site: the victims of political terror in USSR ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi all, Incredible - the first positive proof in over 60 years of my great-uncle Grisha Rabinowitz's arrest and assassination. I'm still checking with my family for confirmation, but I cannot imagine more than one Girsh Iosefovitch Rabinovitch born in Marijampole at around that time. Any idea how we can find out more about the sources for this list? e.g. "Source: Information DKNB RK Atyrau region." Also, what does "Troika" mean in this context? "20.10.1938 troika with UNKVD on Gurevskoy region" Rgds, Assaf URIELI Pau, France
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Re: Naturalisation help please
#france
Lifshitz-Krams Anne
I know there is a CD somewhere which has naturalisations on it. In the=== No Stellmann among the naturalization files I used for my researches concerning French jewish naturalizations during the nineteenth century (1815-1900), but as it is not a very specific jewish name - and as I selected the files by onomastics in chronological books of all the cases treated by the department of Justice that was in charge of it at this time - I may have missed it. Other question. If they married in the Tournelle synagogue, they probably the same day, or the day before had a civil wedding in Paris too, with precise places and dates of birth. Did you ask for it? As the wedding was in 1881, you will now find it in Paris Archives, Boulevard Serrurier. They usually don't make researches or send informations by mail, but some one of the CGJ could help you. Anne Lifshitz-Krams CGJ - Paris
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Joniskis 1927 - Photo with some 70 named faces
#lithuania
Yael and Barry <Ydriver@...>
Dear Sig member with interest in Joniskis,
Some time ago, I uploaded two school photos of Joniskis' youngsters hoping for some identification clues >from the group. Unfortunately, there were not too many and the photo was taken off Viewmate, as is the policy. This time, I have contributed a great wedding party photo with 70 named faces of Joniskis Jewish residents on the permanent site of Steve Lasky (Postcards >from Home). I did this because it was difficult to upload the photo on Viewmate due to the size, attached list of names and the extra chart to help match the faces to the names. Please look at the photo and let me know: 1) if your family name appears in the list and your relation's face is indeed the person listed. 2) if you recognise any of the 6 unnamed faces. Those with no ties to Joniskis can just enjoy this wonderful photo taken by local photographer Jacob Fisher The direct URL of the photo is http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.org/pfh.joniskis-zachs-wedding.htm Yael Driver, London MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.
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French SIG #France Re: Naturalisation help please
#france
Lifshitz-Krams Anne
I know there is a CD somewhere which has naturalisations on it. In the=== No Stellmann among the naturalization files I used for my researches concerning French jewish naturalizations during the nineteenth century (1815-1900), but as it is not a very specific jewish name - and as I selected the files by onomastics in chronological books of all the cases treated by the department of Justice that was in charge of it at this time - I may have missed it. Other question. If they married in the Tournelle synagogue, they probably the same day, or the day before had a civil wedding in Paris too, with precise places and dates of birth. Did you ask for it? As the wedding was in 1881, you will now find it in Paris Archives, Boulevard Serrurier. They usually don't make researches or send informations by mail, but some one of the CGJ could help you. Anne Lifshitz-Krams CGJ - Paris
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Joniskis 1927 - Photo with some 70 named faces
#lithuania
Yael and Barry <Ydriver@...>
Dear Sig member with interest in Joniskis,
Some time ago, I uploaded two school photos of Joniskis' youngsters hoping for some identification clues >from the group. Unfortunately, there were not too many and the photo was taken off Viewmate, as is the policy. This time, I have contributed a great wedding party photo with 70 named faces of Joniskis Jewish residents on the permanent site of Steve Lasky (Postcards >from Home). I did this because it was difficult to upload the photo on Viewmate due to the size, attached list of names and the extra chart to help match the faces to the names. Please look at the photo and let me know: 1) if your family name appears in the list and your relation's face is indeed the person listed. 2) if you recognise any of the 6 unnamed faces. Those with no ties to Joniskis can just enjoy this wonderful photo taken by local photographer Jacob Fisher The direct URL of the photo is http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.org/pfh.joniskis-zachs-wedding.htm Yael Driver, London MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.
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Translate from Yiddish to English WW2 Postcard
#general
Kathy Goldstein <kathyandahron@...>
Can anyone help me translate this WW2 postcard >from Poland >from Yiddish into English?
It is my great-grandfather's letter to his children in America. Viewmate photo: VM11064 http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=11064 Ahron Rosenfeld Riverdale, NY 10463
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translate from Yiddish to English WW2 Postcard
#general
Kathy Goldstein <kathyandahron@...>
Can anyone help me translate this WW2 postcard >from Poland >from Yiddish into English?
It is my great-grandfather's letter to his children in America. Viewmate photo: VM11064 http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=11064 Ahron Rosenfeld Riverdale, NY 10463
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Re: meaning of names
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Asher <aarbit@...>
ARE...@... wrote:
I have an English translation of my husband's great grandparents' 1862 marriageRachmiel is a variant of Yerachmiel. It is a relatively common male name. According to Jewish law and tradition, witnesses can be either married or unmarried, but they cannot be family members and they cannot be female. Good luck in your search. Asher Arbit
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: meaning of names
#general
Asher <aarbit@...>
ARE...@... wrote:
I have an English translation of my husband's great grandparents' 1862 marriageRachmiel is a variant of Yerachmiel. It is a relatively common male name. According to Jewish law and tradition, witnesses can be either married or unmarried, but they cannot be family members and they cannot be female. Good luck in your search. Asher Arbit
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Responses from the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) Help Desk
#general
Dick Plotz <Dick@...>
Alexander Sharon of the JewishGen Family Finder Help Desk has expressed concern
that not all his responses to questions that come in to the Help Desk are reaching the person who asked the question. He writes that every enquiry to the JGFF Helpdesk is answered. But much of the time he gets back an automated request for authentication: "I'm protecting myself from receiving junk emails (spam)...." He has received dozens of these requests,and says it's impossible to comply with all of them. If you have this kind of spam protection system and you've written to the JGFF Helpdesk, this is probably why you haven't heard back. If you want a reply, please tell your system to accept mail >from Alex's address, <a.sharon@...>. Thanks for your understanding and cooperation. Dick Plotz Manager of Mailing Lists JewishGen, Inc.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Responses from the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) Help Desk
#general
Dick Plotz <Dick@...>
Alexander Sharon of the JewishGen Family Finder Help Desk has expressed concern
that not all his responses to questions that come in to the Help Desk are reaching the person who asked the question. He writes that every enquiry to the JGFF Helpdesk is answered. But much of the time he gets back an automated request for authentication: "I'm protecting myself from receiving junk emails (spam)...." He has received dozens of these requests,and says it's impossible to comply with all of them. If you have this kind of spam protection system and you've written to the JGFF Helpdesk, this is probably why you haven't heard back. If you want a reply, please tell your system to accept mail >from Alex's address, <a.sharon@...>. Thanks for your understanding and cooperation. Dick Plotz Manager of Mailing Lists JewishGen, Inc.
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JGS Sacramento meeting January 13
#general
Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
Jewish Genealogical Society of Sacramento Meeting
Topic: Video Virtual Tour of Lost German Synagogues Speaker: Bernie Goldberg When: Sunday, January 13, 10 a.m. Where: Albert Einstein Residence Center 1935 Wright St., Sacramento, CA All are welcome to attend and to use the JGSS library collection. For more information about the JGSS, visit < http://www.jgss.org > , or e-mail the JGSS at < jgs_sacramento@... > or leave a message at 916-486-0906 ext. 361. Bob Wascou
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Sacramento meeting January 13
#general
Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
Jewish Genealogical Society of Sacramento Meeting
Topic: Video Virtual Tour of Lost German Synagogues Speaker: Bernie Goldberg When: Sunday, January 13, 10 a.m. Where: Albert Einstein Residence Center 1935 Wright St., Sacramento, CA All are welcome to attend and to use the JGSS library collection. For more information about the JGSS, visit < http://www.jgss.org > , or e-mail the JGSS at < jgs_sacramento@... > or leave a message at 916-486-0906 ext. 361. Bob Wascou
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JGSMI: UNLIKELY HEROES Rescheduled to Jan 13.
#general
TJFoxEng@...
Because of a Winter Storm, the JGSMI (Jewish Genealogical Society of Michigan) has
rescheduled the showing of UNLIKELY HEROES to Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. at the Holocaust Memorial Center, Zekelman Family Campus, 28213 Orchard Lake Road, Farmington Hills, Michigan. There will be a discussion after the film. JGSMI members No Charge; Guest Donation $5.00. Refreshments served. For more info see www.jgsmi.org . RSVP programs@... or 248/496-1324. Judith Koenig Fox JGSMI publicity@... juditomfox1@... West Bloomfield , Michigan
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSMI: UNLIKELY HEROES Rescheduled to Jan 13.
#general
TJFoxEng@...
Because of a Winter Storm, the JGSMI (Jewish Genealogical Society of Michigan) has
rescheduled the showing of UNLIKELY HEROES to Sunday, January 13, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. at the Holocaust Memorial Center, Zekelman Family Campus, 28213 Orchard Lake Road, Farmington Hills, Michigan. There will be a discussion after the film. JGSMI members No Charge; Guest Donation $5.00. Refreshments served. For more info see www.jgsmi.org . RSVP programs@... or 248/496-1324. Judith Koenig Fox JGSMI publicity@... juditomfox1@... West Bloomfield , Michigan
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Re: Underground Rail Road in Netherlands abt 1920- no such thing
#general
MBernet@...
spaans_ed@... writes:
<< I was told that in the very early 1920s, (German) Jews travelled through the Netherlands on their way to safer places...Anyone have any data to back up this theory?>> ==No truth to it at all. In the early 1920s, German Jews had more rights and more dignity probably than they's had since the 12th century. Nazi laws were(there was lots of antisemitism at the time, just as there was in many countries including the USA.) Members of my family living in Germany traveled freely all over Europe (and found marriage partners in all corners, joining them abroad or having them join them in Germany). ==The Nazi anti-Jewish laws were first imposed in 1934. Jews were gradually excluded >from jobs, colleges, government positions etc. Evenrually it became difficult for Jews to obtain German apassports unless they were traveling on business (that benefited Germany's foreign exchange balance) or to immigrate (geet rid of the Jews after first soaking them for much of what they had accumulated). ==My father traveled at least twice a year for his manufacturing/export business. He had little problem with his passport. His uncle had been a merchant in Koenigsberg (East Prussia); He didn't like the anti-Jewish atmosphere there and moved his business to Amsterdam, where nephews and nieces >from Germany visited around the year. ==In September 1939 my father was traveling in Scandinavia, the Low Countries and France. The Germans were massing to invade Czechoslovakia. He did not come home to Nurnebrg for Rosh Hashana but stayed in England where he was about to receive a permit to immigrate with his family. He sent a coded message to my mother (who had no passport), instructing her to take my sister and me by train to Frankfurt where we would be met by his Belgian cousin who had a Belgian passport, and that she was to spend Yom Kippur with an unsuspecting cousin in Cologne. ==The Belgian cousin had a sleeping compartment on the train and passed us off as her children, tucked into the top bunk (and well sedated I later assumed). My mother waited a few days in Cologne where she was picked up by a professional smuggler >from Holland who walked her over the border at night in a torrential storm. My father, on his German passport, met her as planned in Holland and they drove to Antwerp in a cab with about a dozen pieces of luggage. ==The Dutch were more or less kind and gentle with Jews, including Jews >from Germany. There was much less sympathy for the Jews in Belgium, a country already then riven between its Flemish and Walloon populations, but we were not under any threat in Belgium aside >from the fact that all except my father had entered the country illegally. ==We were joined in England by many family members during 1939, and we socialized largely among Jewish immigrants >from Germany. In the majority of cases these too traveled out of Germany (mostly via Holland or Belgium) with German passports and were able to ship over much of their household possessions in containers. The nearest to an "underground railroad" in Holland was the years 1940 to 1945 when the Germans had occupied the country and were rounding up Jews for deportation -- German Jews first, then Dutch Jews -- and eventually death. The Dutch people were sympathetic to the Jews, and supportive, almost without exception. Michael Bernet, New York mbernet@...
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Underground Rail Road in Netherlands abt 1920- no such thing
#general
MBernet@...
spaans_ed@... writes:
<< I was told that in the very early 1920s, (German) Jews travelled through the Netherlands on their way to safer places...Anyone have any data to back up this theory?>> ==No truth to it at all. In the early 1920s, German Jews had more rights and more dignity probably than they's had since the 12th century. Nazi laws were(there was lots of antisemitism at the time, just as there was in many countries including the USA.) Members of my family living in Germany traveled freely all over Europe (and found marriage partners in all corners, joining them abroad or having them join them in Germany). ==The Nazi anti-Jewish laws were first imposed in 1934. Jews were gradually excluded >from jobs, colleges, government positions etc. Evenrually it became difficult for Jews to obtain German apassports unless they were traveling on business (that benefited Germany's foreign exchange balance) or to immigrate (geet rid of the Jews after first soaking them for much of what they had accumulated). ==My father traveled at least twice a year for his manufacturing/export business. He had little problem with his passport. His uncle had been a merchant in Koenigsberg (East Prussia); He didn't like the anti-Jewish atmosphere there and moved his business to Amsterdam, where nephews and nieces >from Germany visited around the year. ==In September 1939 my father was traveling in Scandinavia, the Low Countries and France. The Germans were massing to invade Czechoslovakia. He did not come home to Nurnebrg for Rosh Hashana but stayed in England where he was about to receive a permit to immigrate with his family. He sent a coded message to my mother (who had no passport), instructing her to take my sister and me by train to Frankfurt where we would be met by his Belgian cousin who had a Belgian passport, and that she was to spend Yom Kippur with an unsuspecting cousin in Cologne. ==The Belgian cousin had a sleeping compartment on the train and passed us off as her children, tucked into the top bunk (and well sedated I later assumed). My mother waited a few days in Cologne where she was picked up by a professional smuggler >from Holland who walked her over the border at night in a torrential storm. My father, on his German passport, met her as planned in Holland and they drove to Antwerp in a cab with about a dozen pieces of luggage. ==The Dutch were more or less kind and gentle with Jews, including Jews >from Germany. There was much less sympathy for the Jews in Belgium, a country already then riven between its Flemish and Walloon populations, but we were not under any threat in Belgium aside >from the fact that all except my father had entered the country illegally. ==We were joined in England by many family members during 1939, and we socialized largely among Jewish immigrants >from Germany. In the majority of cases these too traveled out of Germany (mostly via Holland or Belgium) with German passports and were able to ship over much of their household possessions in containers. The nearest to an "underground railroad" in Holland was the years 1940 to 1945 when the Germans had occupied the country and were rounding up Jews for deportation -- German Jews first, then Dutch Jews -- and eventually death. The Dutch people were sympathetic to the Jews, and supportive, almost without exception. Michael Bernet, New York mbernet@...
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