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GOLDBERG Zvi Hirsch and Ahuva (nee ZIGELROT), South Africa #general

arnonh@tapuz.co.il <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleague Genners!

I'm looking for the descendants of Zvi Hirsch GOLDBERG (b 1896, Rishon LeZion,
Isarel; d 1948, South Africa) and his wife, Ahuva (Lubba) nee ZIGELROT (b 1897,
Rishon LeZion, Isarel; d South Africa

They had two children, probably still born while in Israel, who lived in South
Africa: * Abraham (b 1920; d 1988, Cape Towm, South Africa), married Maurin They
had two boys: Garry, Glenn, one of them was a physician who immigrated to the
states * Batia (b 1922; might be still alive), married and later divorced Moshe
Morris FEIG/PAGE (d 1982, Johannesburg, South Africa) Their children: Howard,
Tonny Zvi Hirsch was my grandmother's cousin, and I'm trying to reconstruct the
connection with this family, in order to make my family picture brighter and
clearer

Any help will be much appreciated
Yours sincerely,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@...


Re: site: the victims of political terror in USSR #galicia

Marjorie Rosenfeld <marjorierosenfeld@...>
 

from what I've been able to read on the Internet, it appears that a
troika was a 3-man Russian tribunal with the power to impose sentences
such as imprisonment or execution.

Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld
Carlsbad, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Assaf Urieli [mailto:assaf@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:15 AM

Subject: Re: [litvaksig] site: the victims of political terror in USSR

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi all,

Incredible - the first positive proof in over 60 years of my great-uncle
Grisha Rabinowitz's arrest and assassination.
I'm still checking with my family for confirmation, but I cannot imagine
more than one Girsh Iosefovitch Rabinovitch born in Marijampole at
around that time.

Any idea how we can find out more about the sources for this list? e.g.
"Source: Information DKNB RK Atyrau region."

Also, what does "Troika" mean in this context? "20.10.1938 troika with
UNKVD on Gurevskoy region"

Rgds,
Assaf URIELI
Pau, France


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GOLDBERG Zvi Hirsch and Ahuva (nee ZIGELROT), South Africa #general

arnonh@tapuz.co.il <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleague Genners!

I'm looking for the descendants of Zvi Hirsch GOLDBERG (b 1896, Rishon LeZion,
Isarel; d 1948, South Africa) and his wife, Ahuva (Lubba) nee ZIGELROT (b 1897,
Rishon LeZion, Isarel; d South Africa

They had two children, probably still born while in Israel, who lived in South
Africa: * Abraham (b 1920; d 1988, Cape Towm, South Africa), married Maurin They
had two boys: Garry, Glenn, one of them was a physician who immigrated to the
states * Batia (b 1922; might be still alive), married and later divorced Moshe
Morris FEIG/PAGE (d 1982, Johannesburg, South Africa) Their children: Howard,
Tonny Zvi Hirsch was my grandmother's cousin, and I'm trying to reconstruct the
connection with this family, in order to make my family picture brighter and
clearer

Any help will be much appreciated
Yours sincerely,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: site: the victims of political terror in USSR #lithuania

Marjorie Rosenfeld <marjorierosenfeld@...>
 

from what I've been able to read on the Internet, it appears that a
troika was a 3-man Russian tribunal with the power to impose sentences
such as imprisonment or execution.

Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld
Carlsbad, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Assaf Urieli [mailto:assaf@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:15 AM

Subject: Re: [litvaksig] site: the victims of political terror in USSR

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi all,

Incredible - the first positive proof in over 60 years of my great-uncle
Grisha Rabinowitz's arrest and assassination.
I'm still checking with my family for confirmation, but I cannot imagine
more than one Girsh Iosefovitch Rabinovitch born in Marijampole at
around that time.

Any idea how we can find out more about the sources for this list? e.g.
"Source: Information DKNB RK Atyrau region."

Also, what does "Troika" mean in this context? "20.10.1938 troika with
UNKVD on Gurevskoy region"

Rgds,
Assaf URIELI
Pau, France


Re: Naturalisation help please #france

Lifshitz-Krams Anne
 

I know there is a CD somewhere which has naturalisations on it. In the
long term I would like to buy this so would appreciate details (maybe
off-list?)

In the short term I have a conundrum:
In May 1881 Harris Louis STELLMANN married Sarah CARCELLONI at
Tournelles Synagogue, Paris.
=== No Stellmann among the naturalization files I used for my researches
concerning French jewish naturalizations during the nineteenth century
(1815-1900), but as it is not a very specific jewish name - and as I
selected the files by onomastics in chronological books of all the cases
treated by the department of Justice that was in charge of it at this time -
I may have missed it.

Other question. If they married in the Tournelle synagogue, they probably
the same day, or the day before had a civil wedding in Paris too, with
precise places and dates of birth. Did you ask for it? As the wedding was
in 1881, you will now find it in Paris Archives, Boulevard Serrurier. They
usually don't make researches or send informations by mail, but some one of
the CGJ could help you.

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
CGJ - Paris


Joniskis 1927 - Photo with some 70 named faces #lithuania

Yael and Barry <Ydriver@...>
 

Dear Sig member with interest in Joniskis,

Some time ago, I uploaded two school photos of Joniskis' youngsters hoping
for some identification clues >from the group. Unfortunately, there were not
too many and the photo was taken off Viewmate, as is the policy.

This time, I have contributed a great wedding party photo with 70 named
faces of Joniskis Jewish residents on the permanent site of Steve Lasky
(Postcards >from Home). I did this because it was difficult to upload the
photo on Viewmate due to the size, attached list of names and the extra
chart to help match the faces to the names.

Please look at the photo and let me know:
1) if your family name appears in the list and your relation's face is
indeed the person listed.
2) if you recognise any of the 6 unnamed faces.

Those with no ties to Joniskis can just enjoy this wonderful photo taken by
local photographer Jacob Fisher

The direct URL of the photo is
http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.org/pfh.joniskis-zachs-wedding.htm

Yael Driver, London

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


French SIG #France Re: Naturalisation help please #france

Lifshitz-Krams Anne
 

I know there is a CD somewhere which has naturalisations on it. In the
long term I would like to buy this so would appreciate details (maybe
off-list?)

In the short term I have a conundrum:
In May 1881 Harris Louis STELLMANN married Sarah CARCELLONI at
Tournelles Synagogue, Paris.
=== No Stellmann among the naturalization files I used for my researches
concerning French jewish naturalizations during the nineteenth century
(1815-1900), but as it is not a very specific jewish name - and as I
selected the files by onomastics in chronological books of all the cases
treated by the department of Justice that was in charge of it at this time -
I may have missed it.

Other question. If they married in the Tournelle synagogue, they probably
the same day, or the day before had a civil wedding in Paris too, with
precise places and dates of birth. Did you ask for it? As the wedding was
in 1881, you will now find it in Paris Archives, Boulevard Serrurier. They
usually don't make researches or send informations by mail, but some one of
the CGJ could help you.

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
CGJ - Paris


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Joniskis 1927 - Photo with some 70 named faces #lithuania

Yael and Barry <Ydriver@...>
 

Dear Sig member with interest in Joniskis,

Some time ago, I uploaded two school photos of Joniskis' youngsters hoping
for some identification clues >from the group. Unfortunately, there were not
too many and the photo was taken off Viewmate, as is the policy.

This time, I have contributed a great wedding party photo with 70 named
faces of Joniskis Jewish residents on the permanent site of Steve Lasky
(Postcards >from Home). I did this because it was difficult to upload the
photo on Viewmate due to the size, attached list of names and the extra
chart to help match the faces to the names.

Please look at the photo and let me know:
1) if your family name appears in the list and your relation's face is
indeed the person listed.
2) if you recognise any of the 6 unnamed faces.

Those with no ties to Joniskis can just enjoy this wonderful photo taken by
local photographer Jacob Fisher

The direct URL of the photo is
http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.org/pfh.joniskis-zachs-wedding.htm

Yael Driver, London

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Translate from Yiddish to English WW2 Postcard #general

Kathy Goldstein <kathyandahron@...>
 

Can anyone help me translate this WW2 postcard >from Poland >from Yiddish into English?
It is my great-grandfather's letter to his children in America. Viewmate photo:
VM11064 http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=11064

Ahron Rosenfeld
Riverdale, NY 10463


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translate from Yiddish to English WW2 Postcard #general

Kathy Goldstein <kathyandahron@...>
 

Can anyone help me translate this WW2 postcard >from Poland >from Yiddish into English?
It is my great-grandfather's letter to his children in America. Viewmate photo:
VM11064 http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=11064

Ahron Rosenfeld
Riverdale, NY 10463


Re: meaning of names #general

Asher <aarbit@...>
 

ARE...@... wrote:
I have an English translation of my husband's great grandparents' 1862 marriage
document. The witness's names are Rachmiel Sarnet and Zusko Staviker. Is Rachmiel
a female name? If so, is it common to have unmarried people as witnesses?
Rachmiel is a variant of Yerachmiel. It is a relatively common male name.

According to Jewish law and tradition, witnesses can be either married or
unmarried, but they cannot be family members and they cannot be female.

Good luck in your search.
Asher Arbit


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: meaning of names #general

Asher <aarbit@...>
 

ARE...@... wrote:
I have an English translation of my husband's great grandparents' 1862 marriage
document. The witness's names are Rachmiel Sarnet and Zusko Staviker. Is Rachmiel
a female name? If so, is it common to have unmarried people as witnesses?
Rachmiel is a variant of Yerachmiel. It is a relatively common male name.

According to Jewish law and tradition, witnesses can be either married or
unmarried, but they cannot be family members and they cannot be female.

Good luck in your search.
Asher Arbit


Responses from the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) Help Desk #general

Dick Plotz <Dick@...>
 

Alexander Sharon of the JewishGen Family Finder Help Desk has expressed concern
that not all his responses to questions that come in to the Help Desk are reaching
the person who asked the question.

He writes that every enquiry to the JGFF Helpdesk is answered. But much of the
time he gets back an automated request for authentication: "I'm protecting myself
from receiving junk emails (spam)...." He has received dozens of these requests,
and says it's impossible to comply with all of them.

If you have this kind of spam protection system and you've written to the JGFF
Helpdesk, this is probably why you haven't heard back. If you want a reply, please
tell your system to accept mail >from Alex's address, <a.sharon@...>.

Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.

Dick Plotz
Manager of Mailing Lists
JewishGen, Inc.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Responses from the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) Help Desk #general

Dick Plotz <Dick@...>
 

Alexander Sharon of the JewishGen Family Finder Help Desk has expressed concern
that not all his responses to questions that come in to the Help Desk are reaching
the person who asked the question.

He writes that every enquiry to the JGFF Helpdesk is answered. But much of the
time he gets back an automated request for authentication: "I'm protecting myself
from receiving junk emails (spam)...." He has received dozens of these requests,
and says it's impossible to comply with all of them.

If you have this kind of spam protection system and you've written to the JGFF
Helpdesk, this is probably why you haven't heard back. If you want a reply, please
tell your system to accept mail >from Alex's address, <a.sharon@...>.

Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.

Dick Plotz
Manager of Mailing Lists
JewishGen, Inc.


JGS Sacramento meeting January 13 #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Sacramento Meeting
Topic: Video Virtual Tour of Lost German Synagogues
Speaker: Bernie Goldberg
When: Sunday, January 13, 10 a.m.

Where: Albert Einstein Residence Center 1935 Wright St., Sacramento, CA
All are welcome to attend and to use the JGSS library collection.

For more information about the JGSS, visit < http://www.jgss.org > , or e-mail the
JGSS at < jgs_sacramento@... > or leave a message at 916-486-0906 ext. 361.

Bob Wascou


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Sacramento meeting January 13 #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Sacramento Meeting
Topic: Video Virtual Tour of Lost German Synagogues
Speaker: Bernie Goldberg
When: Sunday, January 13, 10 a.m.

Where: Albert Einstein Residence Center 1935 Wright St., Sacramento, CA
All are welcome to attend and to use the JGSS library collection.

For more information about the JGSS, visit < http://www.jgss.org > , or e-mail the
JGSS at < jgs_sacramento@... > or leave a message at 916-486-0906 ext. 361.

Bob Wascou


JGSMI: UNLIKELY HEROES Rescheduled to Jan 13. #general

TJFoxEng@...
 

Because of a Winter Storm, the JGSMI (Jewish Genealogical Society of Michigan) has
rescheduled the showing of UNLIKELY HEROES to Sunday, January 13, 2008 at
12:30 p.m. at the Holocaust Memorial Center, Zekelman Family Campus, 28213 Orchard
Lake Road, Farmington Hills, Michigan. There will be a discussion after the film.
JGSMI members No Charge; Guest Donation $5.00. Refreshments served.
For more info see www.jgsmi.org . RSVP programs@... or 248/496-1324.

Judith Koenig Fox
JGSMI
publicity@...
juditomfox1@...
West Bloomfield , Michigan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSMI: UNLIKELY HEROES Rescheduled to Jan 13. #general

TJFoxEng@...
 

Because of a Winter Storm, the JGSMI (Jewish Genealogical Society of Michigan) has
rescheduled the showing of UNLIKELY HEROES to Sunday, January 13, 2008 at
12:30 p.m. at the Holocaust Memorial Center, Zekelman Family Campus, 28213 Orchard
Lake Road, Farmington Hills, Michigan. There will be a discussion after the film.
JGSMI members No Charge; Guest Donation $5.00. Refreshments served.
For more info see www.jgsmi.org . RSVP programs@... or 248/496-1324.

Judith Koenig Fox
JGSMI
publicity@...
juditomfox1@...
West Bloomfield , Michigan


Re: Underground Rail Road in Netherlands abt 1920- no such thing #general

MBernet@...
 

spaans_ed@... writes:
<< I was told that in the very early 1920s, (German) Jews travelled through the
Netherlands on their way to safer places...Anyone have any data to back up this
theory?>>

==No truth to it at all. In the early 1920s, German Jews had more rights and more
dignity probably than they's had since the 12th century. Nazi laws were(there was
lots of antisemitism at the time, just as there was in many countries including
the USA.) Members of my family living in Germany traveled freely all over Europe
(and found marriage partners in all corners, joining them abroad or having them
join them in Germany).

==The Nazi anti-Jewish laws were first imposed in 1934. Jews were gradually
excluded >from jobs, colleges, government positions etc. Evenrually it became
difficult for Jews to obtain German apassports unless they were traveling on
business (that benefited Germany's foreign exchange balance) or to immigrate (geet
rid of the Jews after first soaking them for much of what they had accumulated).

==My father traveled at least twice a year for his manufacturing/export business.
He had little problem with his passport. His uncle had been a merchant in
Koenigsberg (East Prussia); He didn't like the anti-Jewish atmosphere there and
moved his business to Amsterdam, where nephews and nieces >from Germany visited
around the year.

==In September 1939 my father was traveling in Scandinavia, the Low Countries and
France. The Germans were massing to invade Czechoslovakia. He did not come home to
Nurnebrg for Rosh Hashana but stayed in England where he was about to receive a
permit to immigrate with his family. He sent a coded message to my mother (who had
no passport), instructing her to take my sister and me by train to Frankfurt where
we would be met by his Belgian cousin who had a Belgian passport, and that she was
to spend Yom Kippur with an unsuspecting cousin in Cologne.

==The Belgian cousin had a sleeping compartment on the train and passed us off as
her children, tucked into the top bunk (and well sedated I later assumed). My
mother waited a few days in Cologne where she was picked up by a professional
smuggler >from Holland who walked her over the border at night in a torrential
storm. My father, on his German passport, met her as planned in Holland and they
drove to Antwerp in a cab with about a dozen pieces of luggage.

==The Dutch were more or less kind and gentle with Jews, including Jews >from
Germany. There was much less sympathy for the Jews in Belgium, a country already
then riven between its Flemish and Walloon populations, but we were not under any
threat in Belgium aside >from the fact that all except my father had entered the
country illegally.

==We were joined in England by many family members during 1939, and we socialized
largely among Jewish immigrants >from Germany. In the majority of cases these too
traveled out of Germany (mostly via Holland or Belgium) with German passports and
were able to ship over much of their household possessions in containers.

The nearest to an "underground railroad" in Holland was the years 1940 to 1945 when
the Germans had occupied the country and were rounding up Jews for deportation --
German Jews first, then Dutch Jews -- and eventually death. The Dutch people were
sympathetic to the Jews, and supportive, almost without exception.

Michael Bernet, New York
mbernet@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Underground Rail Road in Netherlands abt 1920- no such thing #general

MBernet@...
 

spaans_ed@... writes:
<< I was told that in the very early 1920s, (German) Jews travelled through the
Netherlands on their way to safer places...Anyone have any data to back up this
theory?>>

==No truth to it at all. In the early 1920s, German Jews had more rights and more
dignity probably than they's had since the 12th century. Nazi laws were(there was
lots of antisemitism at the time, just as there was in many countries including
the USA.) Members of my family living in Germany traveled freely all over Europe
(and found marriage partners in all corners, joining them abroad or having them
join them in Germany).

==The Nazi anti-Jewish laws were first imposed in 1934. Jews were gradually
excluded >from jobs, colleges, government positions etc. Evenrually it became
difficult for Jews to obtain German apassports unless they were traveling on
business (that benefited Germany's foreign exchange balance) or to immigrate (geet
rid of the Jews after first soaking them for much of what they had accumulated).

==My father traveled at least twice a year for his manufacturing/export business.
He had little problem with his passport. His uncle had been a merchant in
Koenigsberg (East Prussia); He didn't like the anti-Jewish atmosphere there and
moved his business to Amsterdam, where nephews and nieces >from Germany visited
around the year.

==In September 1939 my father was traveling in Scandinavia, the Low Countries and
France. The Germans were massing to invade Czechoslovakia. He did not come home to
Nurnebrg for Rosh Hashana but stayed in England where he was about to receive a
permit to immigrate with his family. He sent a coded message to my mother (who had
no passport), instructing her to take my sister and me by train to Frankfurt where
we would be met by his Belgian cousin who had a Belgian passport, and that she was
to spend Yom Kippur with an unsuspecting cousin in Cologne.

==The Belgian cousin had a sleeping compartment on the train and passed us off as
her children, tucked into the top bunk (and well sedated I later assumed). My
mother waited a few days in Cologne where she was picked up by a professional
smuggler >from Holland who walked her over the border at night in a torrential
storm. My father, on his German passport, met her as planned in Holland and they
drove to Antwerp in a cab with about a dozen pieces of luggage.

==The Dutch were more or less kind and gentle with Jews, including Jews >from
Germany. There was much less sympathy for the Jews in Belgium, a country already
then riven between its Flemish and Walloon populations, but we were not under any
threat in Belgium aside >from the fact that all except my father had entered the
country illegally.

==We were joined in England by many family members during 1939, and we socialized
largely among Jewish immigrants >from Germany. In the majority of cases these too
traveled out of Germany (mostly via Holland or Belgium) with German passports and
were able to ship over much of their household possessions in containers.

The nearest to an "underground railroad" in Holland was the years 1940 to 1945 when
the Germans had occupied the country and were rounding up Jews for deportation --
German Jews first, then Dutch Jews -- and eventually death. The Dutch people were
sympathetic to the Jews, and supportive, almost without exception.

Michael Bernet, New York
mbernet@...