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Re: ITS research #general

Sharon R. Korn <s.r.korn@...>
 

It is possible to do an online search at www.yadvashem.org for all people >from
a specific location who perished. Yesterday I searched my grandparents' town
of Gargzdai, Lithuania, this way. I put the town name in the search form, with
no individual names, and the result was a tragically long list. I then selected
an individual Page of Testimony >from the list and linked to all pages submitted
by the same person (including those not >from the same town). The submitter's
address at the time of submission is listed. While it may not necessarily be
possible to make contact with that person, and he or she may be deceased, I am
now in contact with theRussian/Ukrainian branch of my family that was found
through a Page of Testimony.

Sharon Block Korn
San Diego, CA

Hannah Berliner Fischthal wrote:

Yad Vashem and ITS will only search specific names, not (for instance) all
appearances in specified locations. And the index can be searched only
alphabetically, not by location.


Digitized old documents from Latvia and Courland #latvia

Robert Dupuis <R.Dupuis@...>
 

Dear Genners,

an information for all family researchers, who were searching for
documents of their ancestors >from the Baltic countries. The Latvian
State Archives (Latvijas Valsts Vestur Arhiv, LVVA) Riga has digitized
a number of documents and published it on the following page:
http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/de.html. The old documents (tax lists,
census lists) mostly were written in old german or russian language,
rabbis and church registration books were also written in old german,
russian and in hebrew. All is handwritten and mostly difficult to
read it.
In the last days I'd found so many new family members into the census
lists and I'm very happy that the LVVA had make so a good work.

B'Shalom

Robert Dupuis, Berlin

Searching for: KEILMANN (Sloca and Riga), COHN (Sloca and Riga), LISSNER
(Sloca, Riga and Vyborg), HIRSCHFELDT (Sloca and Riga), MENDELSOHN (Jelgava
and Riga), HOLLAENDER (Jelgava and Riga), KANTOROWITZ (Slonim, Riga, Vilnius),
ISAKOWITZ (Friedrichstadt, Riga, New York and New Rochelle), JACOBSOHN
(Friedrichstadt and New Rochelle), SPEYER (Riga), DANZIGER (Riga, St.
Petersburg), KARPEL (Riga and St. Petersburg), EZEKIEL (Sloca and Riga)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: ITS research #general

Sharon R. Korn <s.r.korn@...>
 

It is possible to do an online search at www.yadvashem.org for all people >from
a specific location who perished. Yesterday I searched my grandparents' town
of Gargzdai, Lithuania, this way. I put the town name in the search form, with
no individual names, and the result was a tragically long list. I then selected
an individual Page of Testimony >from the list and linked to all pages submitted
by the same person (including those not >from the same town). The submitter's
address at the time of submission is listed. While it may not necessarily be
possible to make contact with that person, and he or she may be deceased, I am
now in contact with theRussian/Ukrainian branch of my family that was found
through a Page of Testimony.

Sharon Block Korn
San Diego, CA

Hannah Berliner Fischthal wrote:

Yad Vashem and ITS will only search specific names, not (for instance) all
appearances in specified locations. And the index can be searched only
alphabetically, not by location.


Latvia SIG #Latvia Digitized old documents from Latvia and Courland #latvia

Robert Dupuis <R.Dupuis@...>
 

Dear Genners,

an information for all family researchers, who were searching for
documents of their ancestors >from the Baltic countries. The Latvian
State Archives (Latvijas Valsts Vestur Arhiv, LVVA) Riga has digitized
a number of documents and published it on the following page:
http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/de.html. The old documents (tax lists,
census lists) mostly were written in old german or russian language,
rabbis and church registration books were also written in old german,
russian and in hebrew. All is handwritten and mostly difficult to
read it.
In the last days I'd found so many new family members into the census
lists and I'm very happy that the LVVA had make so a good work.

B'Shalom

Robert Dupuis, Berlin

Searching for: KEILMANN (Sloca and Riga), COHN (Sloca and Riga), LISSNER
(Sloca, Riga and Vyborg), HIRSCHFELDT (Sloca and Riga), MENDELSOHN (Jelgava
and Riga), HOLLAENDER (Jelgava and Riga), KANTOROWITZ (Slonim, Riga, Vilnius),
ISAKOWITZ (Friedrichstadt, Riga, New York and New Rochelle), JACOBSOHN
(Friedrichstadt and New Rochelle), SPEYER (Riga), DANZIGER (Riga, St.
Petersburg), KARPEL (Riga and St. Petersburg), EZEKIEL (Sloca and Riga)


Re: Town Schalen in Germany? #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

Gloria Resin wrote:
...I found my great grandparents immigration record... the record says their
residence was Schalen, Russland and that they were German. I assume that's
Russia but has anyone heard of the town Schalen or one that sounds like it
in Germany?...Does anyone have an idea what it could be?
Well, I guess the answer is probably a question. What years are you talking about?

Before WWI, for more than a century, there was no Poland nor Lithuania. Russia
and Prussia (then Germany after 1871, when it was formed) owned that area.
There was a Kingdom of Poland in Russia, but no Polish state.

What bothers me is having them say they were German. Jews >from Russia wouldn't
say they were German unless they were trying to impress somebody, as the Germans
were considered 'higher class' than Russians; ethnic Germans did live in Russia,
but they were not Jews. It is also possible that border changes occurred,
depending on the years involved, so that they lived at one time in, eg, New East
Prussia, which became Russia. Knowing what years they lived, you need to check
maps.

As to Lithuanian, there were two divisions among Eastern European Jews, Litvaks
and Galicians. These were cultural not political divisions, having to do with
all sorts of things: Galicians eat gefulte fish hot and sweet, as one example,
while Litvaks eat it cold and savory. Litvaks are considered cold and
intellectual, while Galicians are warm and emotional.

So I imagine that your family came >from Russia, not Germany, and were culturally
Litvaks.

There are several possiblilities for Schalen, in several different modern
countries. My best guess, for 'Litvaks' saying they were 'German' would be
0iauliai, Lithuania. which was called Schaulen in German (and probably Yiddish),
and Schavli in Russian. But they could have come >from today's Belarus, Ukraine,
or lots of other countries.

Good luck,

Sally Bruckheimer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Town Schalen in Germany? #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

Gloria Resin wrote:
...I found my great grandparents immigration record... the record says their
residence was Schalen, Russland and that they were German. I assume that's
Russia but has anyone heard of the town Schalen or one that sounds like it
in Germany?...Does anyone have an idea what it could be?
Well, I guess the answer is probably a question. What years are you talking about?

Before WWI, for more than a century, there was no Poland nor Lithuania. Russia
and Prussia (then Germany after 1871, when it was formed) owned that area.
There was a Kingdom of Poland in Russia, but no Polish state.

What bothers me is having them say they were German. Jews >from Russia wouldn't
say they were German unless they were trying to impress somebody, as the Germans
were considered 'higher class' than Russians; ethnic Germans did live in Russia,
but they were not Jews. It is also possible that border changes occurred,
depending on the years involved, so that they lived at one time in, eg, New East
Prussia, which became Russia. Knowing what years they lived, you need to check
maps.

As to Lithuanian, there were two divisions among Eastern European Jews, Litvaks
and Galicians. These were cultural not political divisions, having to do with
all sorts of things: Galicians eat gefulte fish hot and sweet, as one example,
while Litvaks eat it cold and savory. Litvaks are considered cold and
intellectual, while Galicians are warm and emotional.

So I imagine that your family came >from Russia, not Germany, and were culturally
Litvaks.

There are several possiblilities for Schalen, in several different modern
countries. My best guess, for 'Litvaks' saying they were 'German' would be
0iauliai, Lithuania. which was called Schaulen in German (and probably Yiddish),
and Schavli in Russian. But they could have come >from today's Belarus, Ukraine,
or lots of other countries.

Good luck,

Sally Bruckheimer


NATAS, GINZBERG, RITTENBERG #rabbinic

Sandra Levy <shula2933@...>
 

Shalom

I am searching for information and/or family of Rabbi Note (Natan) ben
Rabbi Yitzchak. Rabbi Note ben Yitzchak lived in Vilna around the
middle of the 18th century and was one of the mainstays of the Vilna
community. One of R. Note ben Yitzchaks' descendants was
the writer R' Mordechai Aharon GINZBERG author of "Kiryat Sefer",
"Dvir", "Hazorfatim berussia", "Pi Hachiros", "Toldos Benai Odom",
"Aviezer", etc.

According to the Hebraist and writer, Yitzchak ben Aharon RITTENBERG
in an article "Kehilat Kalvariya" in Yalkut Ma'arabi NY 1904 one of R.
Note ben Yitzchak's daughters married R. Ahrele (Aharon) NATAS ben
Ze'ev Wolf who was a dayan in Kalvariya, Lithuania:

Rabbi Ahrele (Aharon) ben Ze'v Wolf, was one of six brothers who were
famous and G-d fearing (rabbis); Moshe and Aharon, Shamai and Hillel
(The Maggid of Rotsk, author of the sefer "Hillel ben Shachar"),
Elazor and Gamliel. Also the writer, Yitzchak ben Aharon RITTENBERG,
was descended >from the aforementioned R' Aharon, being the grandson of
his daughter and his father was called by his name Aharon.

I am especially interested in finding the name of the daughter of R.
Note ben Yitzchak who married Rabbi Ahrele. It might have been Ita or
Pessiya or Malka. I also am looking for the connection to the Ginzburg
family.

Any info about any of the above-mentioned names will be deeply appreciated.
Shalom >from Yerushalayim
Sandra Levy
RITTENBERG, GOLDSTEIN, TIKTIN / TYCKOCINSKI, ROZENBLAT, PERELSTEIN,
WARSHOFSKY, KRAMER, BOYANER, BOBINSKY, ELLERT, ETKES, GINZBERG,
RASHKES, NATA, FRIDMAN, LIPKIN, ADLER, HOROWITZ, EISENSTEIN, ABELMAN,
LURIE: Lithuania. BIRKHAHN: Courland


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic NATAS, GINZBERG, RITTENBERG #rabbinic

Sandra Levy <shula2933@...>
 

Shalom

I am searching for information and/or family of Rabbi Note (Natan) ben
Rabbi Yitzchak. Rabbi Note ben Yitzchak lived in Vilna around the
middle of the 18th century and was one of the mainstays of the Vilna
community. One of R. Note ben Yitzchaks' descendants was
the writer R' Mordechai Aharon GINZBERG author of "Kiryat Sefer",
"Dvir", "Hazorfatim berussia", "Pi Hachiros", "Toldos Benai Odom",
"Aviezer", etc.

According to the Hebraist and writer, Yitzchak ben Aharon RITTENBERG
in an article "Kehilat Kalvariya" in Yalkut Ma'arabi NY 1904 one of R.
Note ben Yitzchak's daughters married R. Ahrele (Aharon) NATAS ben
Ze'ev Wolf who was a dayan in Kalvariya, Lithuania:

Rabbi Ahrele (Aharon) ben Ze'v Wolf, was one of six brothers who were
famous and G-d fearing (rabbis); Moshe and Aharon, Shamai and Hillel
(The Maggid of Rotsk, author of the sefer "Hillel ben Shachar"),
Elazor and Gamliel. Also the writer, Yitzchak ben Aharon RITTENBERG,
was descended >from the aforementioned R' Aharon, being the grandson of
his daughter and his father was called by his name Aharon.

I am especially interested in finding the name of the daughter of R.
Note ben Yitzchak who married Rabbi Ahrele. It might have been Ita or
Pessiya or Malka. I also am looking for the connection to the Ginzburg
family.

Any info about any of the above-mentioned names will be deeply appreciated.
Shalom >from Yerushalayim
Sandra Levy
RITTENBERG, GOLDSTEIN, TIKTIN / TYCKOCINSKI, ROZENBLAT, PERELSTEIN,
WARSHOFSKY, KRAMER, BOYANER, BOBINSKY, ELLERT, ETKES, GINZBERG,
RASHKES, NATA, FRIDMAN, LIPKIN, ADLER, HOROWITZ, EISENSTEIN, ABELMAN,
LURIE: Lithuania. BIRKHAHN: Courland


Re: Wife of Kalman Klonimus SHAPIRA #rabbinic

Perets Mett <p.mett@...>
 

The wife of the Piaseczner Rov was Rukhl Chaya Miryom nee HOPSZTAJN
d. 10 Tamuz 5697 (= 19 Jun 1937).

I couldn't find her in the Warsaw cemetery records, but it would be
worth asking them to do a search.

Perets Mett

On 18 Jul 2010, at 10:15, debbie lifshitz wrote:

Does anyone know where the wife of the Piaseczna Rov was buried? As
far as I know, she passed away in 1938 before the war.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Wife of Kalman Klonimus SHAPIRA #rabbinic

Perets Mett <p.mett@...>
 

The wife of the Piaseczner Rov was Rukhl Chaya Miryom nee HOPSZTAJN
d. 10 Tamuz 5697 (= 19 Jun 1937).

I couldn't find her in the Warsaw cemetery records, but it would be
worth asking them to do a search.

Perets Mett

On 18 Jul 2010, at 10:15, debbie lifshitz wrote:

Does anyone know where the wife of the Piaseczna Rov was buried? As
far as I know, she passed away in 1938 before the war.


Re: Family Finder - The Big Picture? #dna

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

Max Blankfeld, VP of Family Tree DNA wrote:

Here are the main problems that Jews have in trying to identify common
ancestors - as you certainly know?
a) lack of a common surname prior to late 1700's early 1800's
He is talking about Ashkenazim and not most of the other Jews. Most of
them did had family names for over 500 years.

b) inbreeding population
He is is right about inbreeing. Let look at the numbers of Ashkenazim.
In 1500, it is estimated that the numbers were between 15,000 to 20,000.
By 1800 the number were about two million and 100 years later, eight
and half million. This means that on the average for each couple, there
were 3 children living long enough to had the following generation.
Using this figure of three children per couple, each couple would have
729 ggggreatgrandchildren with no inbreeding. Going the other way, each
of us have 16 pair of gggreatparents. If cousins did not married, we
would have over 23,000 5th cousins. Then if one takes any two
Ashkenazim, the chances not being related are 1 over the square of
23,000 which equal to 1 over half billion.

c) many unrelated lines adopting same surnames
For example, just look at the different haplogroups than the name
"Cohen" are in.

d) many related lines adopting different surnames
I run a haplogroup project called J2b_455-8. Everyone in it are J2b
with the value on DYS 455 of 8. The founder person (MCRA) is estimated
to lived less than 1000 year ago. Out of the 59 persons that I found
belonging to our haplogroup J2b2e, there were 53 different surnames.

e) many surnames being adapted to the land where descendants moved in.,
Some of the names in my project are Arnold, Brown, Cole, Gorden,
Perkins, Scott and Smith.

What Ashkenazim Jews need to do is to formed more haplogroup projects
based on the results >from Y-DNA testing or on some string values >from the
Family Finder results. Family Tree DNA is very helpful with setting them
up. Just be very careful in naming them. My group was called first as
"J2e1_H102". The "H102" is a SNP that was not part of my Y-DNA results.

Sidney Sachs
Lorton, VA


DNA Research #DNA Re: Family Finder - The Big Picture? #dna

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

Max Blankfeld, VP of Family Tree DNA wrote:

Here are the main problems that Jews have in trying to identify common
ancestors - as you certainly know?
a) lack of a common surname prior to late 1700's early 1800's
He is talking about Ashkenazim and not most of the other Jews. Most of
them did had family names for over 500 years.

b) inbreeding population
He is is right about inbreeing. Let look at the numbers of Ashkenazim.
In 1500, it is estimated that the numbers were between 15,000 to 20,000.
By 1800 the number were about two million and 100 years later, eight
and half million. This means that on the average for each couple, there
were 3 children living long enough to had the following generation.
Using this figure of three children per couple, each couple would have
729 ggggreatgrandchildren with no inbreeding. Going the other way, each
of us have 16 pair of gggreatparents. If cousins did not married, we
would have over 23,000 5th cousins. Then if one takes any two
Ashkenazim, the chances not being related are 1 over the square of
23,000 which equal to 1 over half billion.

c) many unrelated lines adopting same surnames
For example, just look at the different haplogroups than the name
"Cohen" are in.

d) many related lines adopting different surnames
I run a haplogroup project called J2b_455-8. Everyone in it are J2b
with the value on DYS 455 of 8. The founder person (MCRA) is estimated
to lived less than 1000 year ago. Out of the 59 persons that I found
belonging to our haplogroup J2b2e, there were 53 different surnames.

e) many surnames being adapted to the land where descendants moved in.,
Some of the names in my project are Arnold, Brown, Cole, Gorden,
Perkins, Scott and Smith.

What Ashkenazim Jews need to do is to formed more haplogroup projects
based on the results >from Y-DNA testing or on some string values >from the
Family Finder results. Family Tree DNA is very helpful with setting them
up. Just be very careful in naming them. My group was called first as
"J2e1_H102". The "H102" is a SNP that was not part of my Y-DNA results.

Sidney Sachs
Lorton, VA


Shtelink Raducaneni #romania

marcelg@...
 

The new Shtetlink for Raducaneni Moldavia Romania is now available at:

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/raducaneni/index.html

If you have anything to add to this site, please contact me.

Marcel Glaskie
marcelg@netvision.net.il


Romania SIG #Romania Shtelink Raducaneni #romania

marcelg@...
 

The new Shtetlink for Raducaneni Moldavia Romania is now available at:

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/raducaneni/index.html

If you have anything to add to this site, please contact me.

Marcel Glaskie
marcelg@netvision.net.il


Researching old Brazilian Newspapers #latinamerica

Schulman, Judy <jschulman@...>
 

Dear Latin America SIG:

Does anyone know if there is a way to look at old Brazilian newspapers
online? I am trying to see if an obituary exists for a distant cousin
Erich EICHNER. I would also be interested in any articles written
about him after his death. He started the bookstore/publishing company
Livraria Kosmos in Rio de Janeiro in 1935. He died on 8/11/1974.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Sincerely

Judy Schulman
jschulman@ucsd.edu


Latin America #LatinAmerica Researching old Brazilian Newspapers #latinamerica

Schulman, Judy <jschulman@...>
 

Dear Latin America SIG:

Does anyone know if there is a way to look at old Brazilian newspapers
online? I am trying to see if an obituary exists for a distant cousin
Erich EICHNER. I would also be interested in any articles written
about him after his death. He started the bookstore/publishing company
Livraria Kosmos in Rio de Janeiro in 1935. He died on 8/11/1974.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Sincerely

Judy Schulman
jschulman@ucsd.edu


Havana - ALENICOFF, Lipa and Cila #latinamerica

Myree Mueller <kmueller@...>
 

Hi

Lipa and Cila ALENICOFF appear in a ship's manifest >from Cuba to New
York in June 1940 when they went to visit Lipa's brother Phillip. At
the time their address was *** Perseverancia, Havana, Cuba.

Lipa was the brother of Phillip (b. 1898), Milly (b. circa 1888), and
Haia, my grandmother (b. 14 September 1902).

All >from Vitebsk, Lipa ended up in Cuba, Phillip in New York, Milly
married BOROVITCH and was in London and Haia became a BLUESTEIN, then
MULLER in Shangai then back to Bluestein when she moved to the States
in 1950).

I have no information on either my grandmother Haia after she arrived in the
States in 1950 or of Lipa and his family in Cuba.

It is said that Lipa and Cila had a son. I have no other information on his
name or of any other children.

Any ideas gratefully received.

Regards,

Myree (Koko) Mueller
Hong Kong


Latin America #LatinAmerica Havana - ALENICOFF, Lipa and Cila #latinamerica

Myree Mueller <kmueller@...>
 

Hi

Lipa and Cila ALENICOFF appear in a ship's manifest >from Cuba to New
York in June 1940 when they went to visit Lipa's brother Phillip. At
the time their address was *** Perseverancia, Havana, Cuba.

Lipa was the brother of Phillip (b. 1898), Milly (b. circa 1888), and
Haia, my grandmother (b. 14 September 1902).

All >from Vitebsk, Lipa ended up in Cuba, Phillip in New York, Milly
married BOROVITCH and was in London and Haia became a BLUESTEIN, then
MULLER in Shangai then back to Bluestein when she moved to the States
in 1950).

I have no information on either my grandmother Haia after she arrived in the
States in 1950 or of Lipa and his family in Cuba.

It is said that Lipa and Cila had a son. I have no other information on his
name or of any other children.

Any ideas gratefully received.

Regards,

Myree (Koko) Mueller
Hong Kong


Re: what is a Gremialrat? #austria-czech

w.e.eckstein@...
 

another example at
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?apm=0&aid=nfp&datum=19310103&seite=18&zoom=1
"emeritierter Präsident des GREMIUMS der beeideten Börsesensale"

see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremium and chose English - in Austria it's
mostly a commericial committee of special professions or lawyers ...
______________________
Mag. Wolf-Erich Eckstein
Vienna/AUSTRIA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: what is a Gremialrat? #austria-czech

w.e.eckstein@...
 

another example at
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?apm=0&aid=nfp&datum=19310103&seite=18&zoom=1
"emeritierter Präsident des GREMIUMS der beeideten Börsesensale"

see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremium and chose English - in Austria it's
mostly a commericial committee of special professions or lawyers ...
______________________
Mag. Wolf-Erich Eckstein
Vienna/AUSTRIA