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P.S. To Search for Mary Birkhahn's daughter #belarus

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

This is additional information re our search, and, hopefully, will enable a
genner to give us a contact name and email address.

Descendants of Mary Hellman

1 Mary Hellman b: Abt. 1865
.. +Phillip Birkhahn b: Abt. 1858
..... 2 Augusta Birkhahn Burial: Miami Dade, FL b: June 24, 1888 d: May
1984
......... +Herman "Harry" Freidberg b: July 12, 1890 d: February 1967
............ 3 Lucille Freidberg b: Abt. 1908
................ +Henry Davis b: Abt. 1906
............ 3 Milton Freidberg b: August 10, 1912 d: May 1961
............ 3 Ruth Freidberg b: Abt. 1915
............ 3 Rena Freidberg b: Abt. 1922

Thank you again!
Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net


Belarus SIG #Belarus P.S. To Search for Mary Birkhahn's daughter #belarus

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

This is additional information re our search, and, hopefully, will enable a
genner to give us a contact name and email address.

Descendants of Mary Hellman

1 Mary Hellman b: Abt. 1865
.. +Phillip Birkhahn b: Abt. 1858
..... 2 Augusta Birkhahn Burial: Miami Dade, FL b: June 24, 1888 d: May
1984
......... +Herman "Harry" Freidberg b: July 12, 1890 d: February 1967
............ 3 Lucille Freidberg b: Abt. 1908
................ +Henry Davis b: Abt. 1906
............ 3 Milton Freidberg b: August 10, 1912 d: May 1961
............ 3 Ruth Freidberg b: Abt. 1915
............ 3 Rena Freidberg b: Abt. 1922

Thank you again!
Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net


The word "Israelites" and "Old Believers." #belarus

NFatouros@...
 

On Oct.4,03 Jim Bennet asked about the B-M-D records he'd on a site regarding
Novogrudok Metrical Records. He wonderd what "Israelites" meant in this
context.

On Oct.5, 03 Elena Smirnova gave an explanation , but still posed the
question what was meant by the word "Israelites."

On Oct.7, 03 Steve Orlen suggested that "Israelites" might refer to what is
called in English "Old Believers." But this was a Christian sect also which
was also known as "Old Ritualists."

Like members of many several official religious, like Protestantism,
Catholicism other Christian sects like the Subbotniks, Skoptsy (Castrati), Molokans,
Dukhobors, and also Muslims and peoples of other religous concepts, Old
Believers were persecuted by the Tsars and after the Revolution they were not
treated any more sympathetically by the atheistic Soviet regime than were the Jews.
(For a time, before the Revolution, the German Mennonites who set up
farming communities were appreciated for their skills, sobriety and cleanliness.)
Karaites were also of Jewish belief, but rejected the Talmud.

There were two sorts of Old Believers. Some maintained respect of the
sacraments and priests and the others who did not. However, Old Believers were
not, it seems, Jewish in origin. They simply did not subscribe to all the tenets
and rituals of the Russian Orthodox Church. It may be that Mr. Orlen also was
thinking of Subbotniks, who observed the Sabbath on the same day the Jews did
or maybe he had in mind the Karaites.

It should be borne in mind that Christianity came relatively lately,several
hundred years after Jesus' death, to Russia, and it came >from Byzantium, rather
than >from Rome. Before Christianity arrived most Russians were "pagans."
(And some historians have observed that even during the early part of the
twentieth century pagan notions and rituals survived among Russian peasants along
with their hazy Christian ideas and practices.)

It is possible that the term "Israelites" was the website's translation of a
Belorussian word referring to Jews. But, according to my big Oxford
Russian-English, English-Russian dictionary and other references, a Jew could be
referred to as what I translaterate as an Ebrei (Hebrew) or as a Iudei. There was
also a word often used in Polish or Russian in contempt, "Zydow" like our
"kike," or "Yid," which I doubt would have been used in those church records that
sometimes included records of Jews or converted Jews.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa,St. Petersburg and
Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY,
WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk,
Berdichev; BEHAM, Salok and Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Belarus SIG #Belarus The word "Israelites" and "Old Believers." #belarus

NFatouros@...
 

On Oct.4,03 Jim Bennet asked about the B-M-D records he'd on a site regarding
Novogrudok Metrical Records. He wonderd what "Israelites" meant in this
context.

On Oct.5, 03 Elena Smirnova gave an explanation , but still posed the
question what was meant by the word "Israelites."

On Oct.7, 03 Steve Orlen suggested that "Israelites" might refer to what is
called in English "Old Believers." But this was a Christian sect also which
was also known as "Old Ritualists."

Like members of many several official religious, like Protestantism,
Catholicism other Christian sects like the Subbotniks, Skoptsy (Castrati), Molokans,
Dukhobors, and also Muslims and peoples of other religous concepts, Old
Believers were persecuted by the Tsars and after the Revolution they were not
treated any more sympathetically by the atheistic Soviet regime than were the Jews.
(For a time, before the Revolution, the German Mennonites who set up
farming communities were appreciated for their skills, sobriety and cleanliness.)
Karaites were also of Jewish belief, but rejected the Talmud.

There were two sorts of Old Believers. Some maintained respect of the
sacraments and priests and the others who did not. However, Old Believers were
not, it seems, Jewish in origin. They simply did not subscribe to all the tenets
and rituals of the Russian Orthodox Church. It may be that Mr. Orlen also was
thinking of Subbotniks, who observed the Sabbath on the same day the Jews did
or maybe he had in mind the Karaites.

It should be borne in mind that Christianity came relatively lately,several
hundred years after Jesus' death, to Russia, and it came >from Byzantium, rather
than >from Rome. Before Christianity arrived most Russians were "pagans."
(And some historians have observed that even during the early part of the
twentieth century pagan notions and rituals survived among Russian peasants along
with their hazy Christian ideas and practices.)

It is possible that the term "Israelites" was the website's translation of a
Belorussian word referring to Jews. But, according to my big Oxford
Russian-English, English-Russian dictionary and other references, a Jew could be
referred to as what I translaterate as an Ebrei (Hebrew) or as a Iudei. There was
also a word often used in Polish or Russian in contempt, "Zydow" like our
"kike," or "Yid," which I doubt would have been used in those church records that
sometimes included records of Jews or converted Jews.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa,St. Petersburg and
Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY,
WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk,
Berdichev; BEHAM, Salok and Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


obituary #lodz #poland

Samantha Stolberg <samanthastolberg@...>
 

Henry Fryde (appx 90 yrs old, real age unknown) formerly of Lodz and a
Holocaust survivor died Friday, November 28, 2003 in Skokie, Illinois. He
was the husband of the late Fela and the father to three daughters Rena
(Leonard Dolins), Carol (Charles Stolberg), and Sue (Craig Gordon).

Grandchildren include Roberta Dolins (great-grandchildren Jordan and
Stephanie), Arthur (Patricia) Dolins (great-grandchildren Sara and Michael),
Steven (Jenny) Dolins (great-grandchildren Zachary and Sydney).

Also, Adam (Samantha) Stolberg, Jeremy (Alissa) Stolberg, and Robin
Stolberg.

Also, Andrew, Brittany, and Danielle Gordon.

Henry and his wife escaped Germany with two small children (an infant son
died) and emigrated to Whitewater, Wisconsin before settling in Skokie,
Illinois.


Information provided by Samantha Stolberg (granddaughter-in-law)

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Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland obituary #poland #lodz

Samantha Stolberg <samanthastolberg@...>
 

Henry Fryde (appx 90 yrs old, real age unknown) formerly of Lodz and a
Holocaust survivor died Friday, November 28, 2003 in Skokie, Illinois. He
was the husband of the late Fela and the father to three daughters Rena
(Leonard Dolins), Carol (Charles Stolberg), and Sue (Craig Gordon).

Grandchildren include Roberta Dolins (great-grandchildren Jordan and
Stephanie), Arthur (Patricia) Dolins (great-grandchildren Sara and Michael),
Steven (Jenny) Dolins (great-grandchildren Zachary and Sydney).

Also, Adam (Samantha) Stolberg, Jeremy (Alissa) Stolberg, and Robin
Stolberg.

Also, Andrew, Brittany, and Danielle Gordon.

Henry and his wife escaped Germany with two small children (an infant son
died) and emigrated to Whitewater, Wisconsin before settling in Skokie,
Illinois.


Information provided by Samantha Stolberg (granddaughter-in-law)

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Dottie Miller's message in december 07, 2003 in Frenchsig digest #france

Robert Stern <robert.stern@...>
 

TournesolDear FrenchSig friends,

Dottie Miller mentions that in the list of names she's researching amongst
others, BLOCH >from Westhoffen.
My mother and her brothers and sisters were born in BALBRONN (Alsace,
France) -about 3 kilometers >from Westhoffen-, but lived for a long period in
Westhoffen.
I am very interested to know if those two BLOCH families are the same, are
connected or not.
Robert Stern, Eaubonne, France
robert.stern@wanadoo.fr


French SIG #France Dottie Miller's message in december 07, 2003 in Frenchsig digest #france

Robert Stern <robert.stern@...>
 

TournesolDear FrenchSig friends,

Dottie Miller mentions that in the list of names she's researching amongst
others, BLOCH >from Westhoffen.
My mother and her brothers and sisters were born in BALBRONN (Alsace,
France) -about 3 kilometers >from Westhoffen-, but lived for a long period in
Westhoffen.
I am very interested to know if those two BLOCH families are the same, are
connected or not.
Robert Stern, Eaubonne, France
robert.stern@wanadoo.fr


ViewMate translation of Yiddish document needed #general

KBee <kbrowne01518@...>
 

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3197
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3198

The above URL link to two related documents, first a letter in Yiddish
written in 1931 sent >from Berlin to my ggfather in Chicago. ggfather did
not understand Yiddish. He immigrated in 1891. The second, of which I
have only page 1, is in English and is the only know clue of my Jewish
ancestry. I am hoping that the Yiddish letter will provide more
information. I've been told that it was written by my ggfather's sister
in law, Beile, but that's about all I know or even suspect.

If the above links do not work go to:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html and view documents VM3197
and VM3198. I've heard >from a distant cousin that this may lead to
learning the identity of a relative lost durint the Holocaust. Based on
the context of the letter in English, this is not hard to understand.
The letter was sent >from Berlin in 1937.

Thanks in advance for any help unraveling this family historymystery.
--
***Ken Browne clacking the keys in Old Sturbridge Village,Massachusetts***

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation of Yiddish document needed #general

KBee <kbrowne01518@...>
 

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3197
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3198

The above URL link to two related documents, first a letter in Yiddish
written in 1931 sent >from Berlin to my ggfather in Chicago. ggfather did
not understand Yiddish. He immigrated in 1891. The second, of which I
have only page 1, is in English and is the only know clue of my Jewish
ancestry. I am hoping that the Yiddish letter will provide more
information. I've been told that it was written by my ggfather's sister
in law, Beile, but that's about all I know or even suspect.

If the above links do not work go to:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html and view documents VM3197
and VM3198. I've heard >from a distant cousin that this may lead to
learning the identity of a relative lost durint the Holocaust. Based on
the context of the letter in English, this is not hard to understand.
The letter was sent >from Berlin in 1937.

Thanks in advance for any help unraveling this family historymystery.
--
***Ken Browne clacking the keys in Old Sturbridge Village,Massachusetts***

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Re: How I finally found grandpa on the ship manifest #general

Yeruchem & Fraida Cohen
 

Dear Roni,

It was wonderful reading of your genealogy victory. It gives all of us
researchers hope and the message is: be creative, be open, try to think "out
of the box."

Thanks for sharing,
Fraida Cohen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How I finally found grandpa on the ship manifest #general

Yeruchem & Fraida Cohen
 

Dear Roni,

It was wonderful reading of your genealogy victory. It gives all of us
researchers hope and the message is: be creative, be open, try to think "out
of the box."

Thanks for sharing,
Fraida Cohen


P.S. To Search for Mary BIRKHAHN's daughter #general

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

This is additional information re our search, and, hopefully, will enable a
genner to give us a contact name and email address.

Descendants of Mary HELLMAN

1 Mary HELLMAN b: Abt. 1865
.. +Phillip BIRKHAHN b: Abt. 1858
..... 2 Augusta Birkhahn Burial: Miami Dade, FL b: June 24, 1888 d: May
1984
......... +Herman "Harry" Freidberg b: July 12, 1890 d: February 1967
............ 3 Lucille FREIDBERG b: Abt. 1908
................ +Henry Davis b: Abt. 1906
............ 3 Milton Freidberg b: August 10, 1912 d: May 1961
............ 3 Ruth Freidberg b: Abt. 1915
............ 3 Rena Freidberg b: Abt. 1922

Thank you again!
Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen P.S. To Search for Mary BIRKHAHN's daughter #general

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

This is additional information re our search, and, hopefully, will enable a
genner to give us a contact name and email address.

Descendants of Mary HELLMAN

1 Mary HELLMAN b: Abt. 1865
.. +Phillip BIRKHAHN b: Abt. 1858
..... 2 Augusta Birkhahn Burial: Miami Dade, FL b: June 24, 1888 d: May
1984
......... +Herman "Harry" Freidberg b: July 12, 1890 d: February 1967
............ 3 Lucille FREIDBERG b: Abt. 1908
................ +Henry Davis b: Abt. 1906
............ 3 Milton Freidberg b: August 10, 1912 d: May 1961
............ 3 Ruth Freidberg b: Abt. 1915
............ 3 Rena Freidberg b: Abt. 1922

Thank you again!
Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net


Searching daughter of Mary HELLMAN BIRKAHN #general

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

Max HELLMAN's sister was Mary HELLMAN BIRKAHN. We understand that Mary had
a daughter. Does anyone know anything about her? Her name, married name,
husband's name, etc.

We would very much like to be able to contact Mary's daughter so that we
can add information to the JACOBS family Tree. Max HELLMAN was married to
my aun Annie JACOBS.

Please reply privately. If you should know her, please feel free to give
her my email address.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net

Searching Joseph & Rachel JACOBS Family Connections:
EICHLER/AYKLER/ISLER/EHRLICH/JACOBS/GOLDSTEIN >from Przasnysz, Poland/Russia
to London, England to Baltimore, MD to Atlanta, GA. Families of:: Max
HELLMAN, Simon LEVY, Hyman COHEN, Sam & Raymond,FINE, Aaron KAHANOW, Sam
LEAF


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching daughter of Mary HELLMAN BIRKAHN #general

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

Max HELLMAN's sister was Mary HELLMAN BIRKAHN. We understand that Mary had
a daughter. Does anyone know anything about her? Her name, married name,
husband's name, etc.

We would very much like to be able to contact Mary's daughter so that we
can add information to the JACOBS family Tree. Max HELLMAN was married to
my aun Annie JACOBS.

Please reply privately. If you should know her, please feel free to give
her my email address.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net

Searching Joseph & Rachel JACOBS Family Connections:
EICHLER/AYKLER/ISLER/EHRLICH/JACOBS/GOLDSTEIN >from Przasnysz, Poland/Russia
to London, England to Baltimore, MD to Atlanta, GA. Families of:: Max
HELLMAN, Simon LEVY, Hyman COHEN, Sam & Raymond,FINE, Aaron KAHANOW, Sam
LEAF


Re: RINDSKOPF - Fuerth area #germany

George Arnstein <garnstein@...>
 

Here is the only Rindskopf in my database, with focus on the Fuerth area.
Obviously a peripheral entry in my family tree.

Seligman "Selka" RINDSKOPF was born on 9 Mar 1797. He died on 26 Jun 1850.
Seligman married Babette ARNSTEIN daughter of Seckel ARNSTEIN and
Schoenchen BRUELL on 30 Nov 1818. Babette was born in 1799 in Sulzbach. She
died on 19 Dec 1868.

GeorgeA in Washington, DC Return address is: garnstein@calalum.org


German SIG #Germany RE: RINDSKOPF - Fuerth area #germany

George Arnstein <garnstein@...>
 

Here is the only Rindskopf in my database, with focus on the Fuerth area.
Obviously a peripheral entry in my family tree.

Seligman "Selka" RINDSKOPF was born on 9 Mar 1797. He died on 26 Jun 1850.
Seligman married Babette ARNSTEIN daughter of Seckel ARNSTEIN and
Schoenchen BRUELL on 30 Nov 1818. Babette was born in 1799 in Sulzbach. She
died on 19 Dec 1868.

GeorgeA in Washington, DC Return address is: garnstein@calalum.org


The ROSENBERG Family of Lichenroth (Hessen-Nassau) #germany

Ralph Baer <RalphNBaer@...>
 

My fourth great-grandfather Gump (Mordochai in Hebrew) ROSENBERG was born
in an unknown place, but probably Lichenroth (now part of Birstein), on 20
April 1780. He died in Lichenroth on 31 May 1860. His wife was Sara
STRAUSS (28 July 1789 Grosskrotzenburg - 20 December 1878 Lichenroth).

I am, of course, interested in anything about this ROSENBERG family
ancestry.A woman named Hindel ROSENBERG died on 6 December 1830 in
Lichenroth, age 75 (i.e., born about 1755). I suspect that she was Gump's
mother. Gump and Sara had the following known children:

1) Karolina ROSENBERG about 1813 Lichenroth, married 27 May 1834 to Israel
STERN about 1802 Lichenroth, tradesman

2) Selmann ROSENBERG about January 1816 Lichenroth - 30 August 1826
Lichenroth

3. Fanni (Feie) ROSENBERG 1819 Lichenroth - 4 March 1890 Grosskrotzenburg,
married 5 June 1838 Grossrotzenburg to Isaak HIRSCHMANN 8 October 1814
Grosskrotzenburg - 5 December 1893 Grosskrotzenburg, horse trader (my third
great-grandparents)

4) and 5) daughters born between 1817 and 1827 Lichenroth. Gump and Sara
are known to have had two additional daughters, names unknown, who were
under 15 years old in 1832. This comes >from a census for Lichenroth.
Births of females were apparently not recorded in Lichenroth before 1827.

6) Benzion (Benjamin) ROSENBERG 14 August 1827 Lichenroth - 16 May 1872
Lichenroth, cattle trader, community representative, married 15 January
1851 to Rosina ROSENBERG 14 August 1828 Lichenroth

7) Marx (Mordachai) Baer ROSENBERG 7 December 1831 Lichenroth - 4 June 1870
Lichenroth, married 16 January 1856 Lichenroth to Ester (Elka) GERBER 13
July 1837 Gersfeld

I am most interested in identifying daughters #4 and #5 and adding to my
knowledge of all the branches.

The following three men were probably brothers of Gump ROSENBERG. Aaron,
who lived in the same house as Gump almost certainly was. Because Gump's
Hebrew name was Mordochai, the relationship to Mordochai, below, may have
been more distant. However, note that Gump's son Marx was also a
Mordochai, indicating that although Gump's Hebrew name was definitely
Mordochai, the names were considered different.

1) Aaron ROSENBERG about 1777 - 3 April 1833 Lichenroth, community
representative, married to Fanni ... about 1771 - 12 December 1853
Lichenroth. In an 1832 census, this family was listed as consisting of two
men and two women, all over 15 years old, i.e., they had a son and a
daughter born before 1817. Aaron may also have had other children who had
already left home

2) Seligmann ROSENBERG 12 January 1784 - 7 February 1859 Lichenroth,
married to Regina (Rachel) BAUM 16 July 1793

3) Mordochai ROSENBERG about 1789 - 21 February 1857 Lichenroth, community
representative

All that I know about Aaron is that he had a son and a daughter born before
1817. Mordochai was apparently unmarried. Seligmann had at least the
following children:

1) Isaac ROSENBERG 10 December 1816 Lichenroth, tradesman, married
30 August 1847 Radmuehl to Hannchen ADLER about 1827 Hintersteinau

2) Karoline ROSENBERG about 1818 Lichenroth, married 17 November 1841
Fischborn to Isaac LEVI about 1812 Birstein

3) Esther ROSENBERG about 1826 Lichenroth, married 19 March 1849 Birstein
to Josel LEVI about 1819 Birstein

4) Joseph ROSENBERG 3 February 1827 Lichenroth, married 15 February 1858
Lichenroth to Hannchen STERN 9 July 1840 Lichenroth

5) Rosina ROSENBERG 14 August 1828 Lichenroth, married 15 January 1851 to
Benzion (Benjamin) ROSENBERG (Gump's son)

6) Hannchen ROSENBERG 5 April 1832 Lichenroth (probably named after the
Hindel ROSENBERG who died in 1830.)

7) Fanni ROSENBERG 10 May 1835 Lichenroth

I have some further data, and I am interested in adding to it.

Ralph BAER Washington, DC RalphNBaer@aol.com


German SIG #Germany The ROSENBERG Family of Lichenroth (Hessen-Nassau) #germany

Ralph Baer <RalphNBaer@...>
 

My fourth great-grandfather Gump (Mordochai in Hebrew) ROSENBERG was born
in an unknown place, but probably Lichenroth (now part of Birstein), on 20
April 1780. He died in Lichenroth on 31 May 1860. His wife was Sara
STRAUSS (28 July 1789 Grosskrotzenburg - 20 December 1878 Lichenroth).

I am, of course, interested in anything about this ROSENBERG family
ancestry.A woman named Hindel ROSENBERG died on 6 December 1830 in
Lichenroth, age 75 (i.e., born about 1755). I suspect that she was Gump's
mother. Gump and Sara had the following known children:

1) Karolina ROSENBERG about 1813 Lichenroth, married 27 May 1834 to Israel
STERN about 1802 Lichenroth, tradesman

2) Selmann ROSENBERG about January 1816 Lichenroth - 30 August 1826
Lichenroth

3. Fanni (Feie) ROSENBERG 1819 Lichenroth - 4 March 1890 Grosskrotzenburg,
married 5 June 1838 Grossrotzenburg to Isaak HIRSCHMANN 8 October 1814
Grosskrotzenburg - 5 December 1893 Grosskrotzenburg, horse trader (my third
great-grandparents)

4) and 5) daughters born between 1817 and 1827 Lichenroth. Gump and Sara
are known to have had two additional daughters, names unknown, who were
under 15 years old in 1832. This comes >from a census for Lichenroth.
Births of females were apparently not recorded in Lichenroth before 1827.

6) Benzion (Benjamin) ROSENBERG 14 August 1827 Lichenroth - 16 May 1872
Lichenroth, cattle trader, community representative, married 15 January
1851 to Rosina ROSENBERG 14 August 1828 Lichenroth

7) Marx (Mordachai) Baer ROSENBERG 7 December 1831 Lichenroth - 4 June 1870
Lichenroth, married 16 January 1856 Lichenroth to Ester (Elka) GERBER 13
July 1837 Gersfeld

I am most interested in identifying daughters #4 and #5 and adding to my
knowledge of all the branches.

The following three men were probably brothers of Gump ROSENBERG. Aaron,
who lived in the same house as Gump almost certainly was. Because Gump's
Hebrew name was Mordochai, the relationship to Mordochai, below, may have
been more distant. However, note that Gump's son Marx was also a
Mordochai, indicating that although Gump's Hebrew name was definitely
Mordochai, the names were considered different.

1) Aaron ROSENBERG about 1777 - 3 April 1833 Lichenroth, community
representative, married to Fanni ... about 1771 - 12 December 1853
Lichenroth. In an 1832 census, this family was listed as consisting of two
men and two women, all over 15 years old, i.e., they had a son and a
daughter born before 1817. Aaron may also have had other children who had
already left home

2) Seligmann ROSENBERG 12 January 1784 - 7 February 1859 Lichenroth,
married to Regina (Rachel) BAUM 16 July 1793

3) Mordochai ROSENBERG about 1789 - 21 February 1857 Lichenroth, community
representative

All that I know about Aaron is that he had a son and a daughter born before
1817. Mordochai was apparently unmarried. Seligmann had at least the
following children:

1) Isaac ROSENBERG 10 December 1816 Lichenroth, tradesman, married
30 August 1847 Radmuehl to Hannchen ADLER about 1827 Hintersteinau

2) Karoline ROSENBERG about 1818 Lichenroth, married 17 November 1841
Fischborn to Isaac LEVI about 1812 Birstein

3) Esther ROSENBERG about 1826 Lichenroth, married 19 March 1849 Birstein
to Josel LEVI about 1819 Birstein

4) Joseph ROSENBERG 3 February 1827 Lichenroth, married 15 February 1858
Lichenroth to Hannchen STERN 9 July 1840 Lichenroth

5) Rosina ROSENBERG 14 August 1828 Lichenroth, married 15 January 1851 to
Benzion (Benjamin) ROSENBERG (Gump's son)

6) Hannchen ROSENBERG 5 April 1832 Lichenroth (probably named after the
Hindel ROSENBERG who died in 1830.)

7) Fanni ROSENBERG 10 May 1835 Lichenroth

I have some further data, and I am interested in adding to it.

Ralph BAER Washington, DC RalphNBaer@aol.com