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Re: Providing a Family Name Where None Existed #general

Joan Parker <joanparker@...>
 

I, for one, would love to know and learn more about it. My paternal grandmother's
last name is WINOGRAD (and there are many other WINOGRADs out there..none related)
but she comes >from Winograd and used that name as their last name.
Joan Parker
Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
Miami, FL
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa, Ukraine,
Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

One solution seems to be to adopt the system common in the Prussian Empire
and eastern Europe and to bestow a putative family name i.e. the given name
of the father, as found in the patronymic.
*snip*
For example, Moshe, whose father was Yaakov ben Yehezkel, would have the
patronymic Moshe ben Yaakov (for synagogue) which was usually simplified in
civilian life to Moshe Yaakov, so that Yaakov became the new "family name" for
one generation.. May I invite comments on a proposal to exploit this custom in
order to give family names in places where they do not exist? Do readers
consider it a legitimate procedure?
Harold Lewin - Jerusalem


Re: Surname Selection #general

blacknus <blacknus@...>
 

Aubrey Jacobus asked:

<snip>
The question I ask do listers have good evidence that an adopted surname was
selected at random or by a whim <snip>
Our family name chose one toponym over another. The original name of my
Dunaberg/Dvinsk/Daugavpils family was TRUPIN (according to Beider, >from the shtetl
Trupy). The changed name, appearing in U.S. records circa 1888 (two years after
immigration), was DINBERG.

Interestingly, only my own branch of this family, beginning with my great-
grandfather Ze'ev Wolf TRUPIN, changed to DINBERG. The remainder of this large
mispocha stuck with TRUPIN. No reason is known for the switch.

I was able to connect the two families by matching Ze'ev Wolf DINBERG, his wife,
and their children known to have been born in Vitebsk with Ze'ev Wolf TRUPIN, his
wife, and their children as listed in the family fond held at the Latvian State
Historical Archive. The Archive yielded wonderful information that linked up the
two families and pushed the generations back to about 1800. Lucky for us, both
TRUPIN and DINBERG are rare names ... making the search easier and the assumptions
more certain.

Donna Dinberg
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
blacknus@igs.net

Searching: TRUPIN, SIMON, MEYEROWITZ, MESNIK, plus SCHRIER, COOPER, WILENSKY,
COHEN, AARONSON, ZIMMERMAN, ZINKER, others


Please Answer Publicly about the Traveling Menorah #general

Susanna Vendel <svendel@...>
 

Would it be possible to let the person who can answer Donna Rice's question, give
the answer publicly, here?
I suppose the answer is very interesting and could teach us about our Jewish
history.

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Providing a Family Name Where None Existed #general

Joan Parker <joanparker@...>
 

I, for one, would love to know and learn more about it. My paternal grandmother's
last name is WINOGRAD (and there are many other WINOGRADs out there..none related)
but she comes >from Winograd and used that name as their last name.
Joan Parker
Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
Miami, FL
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa, Ukraine,
Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

One solution seems to be to adopt the system common in the Prussian Empire
and eastern Europe and to bestow a putative family name i.e. the given name
of the father, as found in the patronymic.
*snip*
For example, Moshe, whose father was Yaakov ben Yehezkel, would have the
patronymic Moshe ben Yaakov (for synagogue) which was usually simplified in
civilian life to Moshe Yaakov, so that Yaakov became the new "family name" for
one generation.. May I invite comments on a proposal to exploit this custom in
order to give family names in places where they do not exist? Do readers
consider it a legitimate procedure?
Harold Lewin - Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Surname Selection #general

blacknus <blacknus@...>
 

Aubrey Jacobus asked:

<snip>
The question I ask do listers have good evidence that an adopted surname was
selected at random or by a whim <snip>
Our family name chose one toponym over another. The original name of my
Dunaberg/Dvinsk/Daugavpils family was TRUPIN (according to Beider, >from the shtetl
Trupy). The changed name, appearing in U.S. records circa 1888 (two years after
immigration), was DINBERG.

Interestingly, only my own branch of this family, beginning with my great-
grandfather Ze'ev Wolf TRUPIN, changed to DINBERG. The remainder of this large
mispocha stuck with TRUPIN. No reason is known for the switch.

I was able to connect the two families by matching Ze'ev Wolf DINBERG, his wife,
and their children known to have been born in Vitebsk with Ze'ev Wolf TRUPIN, his
wife, and their children as listed in the family fond held at the Latvian State
Historical Archive. The Archive yielded wonderful information that linked up the
two families and pushed the generations back to about 1800. Lucky for us, both
TRUPIN and DINBERG are rare names ... making the search easier and the assumptions
more certain.

Donna Dinberg
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
blacknus@igs.net

Searching: TRUPIN, SIMON, MEYEROWITZ, MESNIK, plus SCHRIER, COOPER, WILENSKY,
COHEN, AARONSON, ZIMMERMAN, ZINKER, others


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Please Answer Publicly about the Traveling Menorah #general

Susanna Vendel <svendel@...>
 

Would it be possible to let the person who can answer Donna Rice's question, give
the answer publicly, here?
I suppose the answer is very interesting and could teach us about our Jewish
history.

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


Finding divorce records #poland

Mila Begun <mmbegun@...>
 

I've been very fortunate in locating birth, marriage and death records
for members of my ancestral family. Now I wonder if I can ever locate
an important divorce record.

My great-grandmother and her husband were divorced somewhere near
Miedzyrzec or Parczew and he remarried. Several of my mother's cousins
are >from the second marriage, her own mother (my grandmother) is >from
the first marriage. My best guess is that the divorce occurred either
late in the 19th century or very early in the 20th.

Were divorces recorded in civil records? Were they only kept as
religious records? Would the record provide a reason for the divorce?
This is the question that fascinates my cousins and me. Where might I
start the search?

Thanks in advance. Mila Begun in New York City
Researching: GOLDBERG: Parczew, Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Deblin
BEFELER, WROBEL, GRACHNIAK: Czemierniki, Lukow, Deblin


JRI Poland #Poland Finding divorce records #poland

Mila Begun <mmbegun@...>
 

I've been very fortunate in locating birth, marriage and death records
for members of my ancestral family. Now I wonder if I can ever locate
an important divorce record.

My great-grandmother and her husband were divorced somewhere near
Miedzyrzec or Parczew and he remarried. Several of my mother's cousins
are >from the second marriage, her own mother (my grandmother) is >from
the first marriage. My best guess is that the divorce occurred either
late in the 19th century or very early in the 20th.

Were divorces recorded in civil records? Were they only kept as
religious records? Would the record provide a reason for the divorce?
This is the question that fascinates my cousins and me. Where might I
start the search?

Thanks in advance. Mila Begun in New York City
Researching: GOLDBERG: Parczew, Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Deblin
BEFELER, WROBEL, GRACHNIAK: Czemierniki, Lukow, Deblin


Descendants of GUGGENHEIMERs of Ihringen living in the USA #germany

Dottie Miller
 

I have just learned that there are children of GUGGENHEIMERs from
Ihringen, Baden, whose parents were deportedby the Nazis.

Marx GUGGENHEIMER, was deported >from Camp Recebedou in France to Auschwitz,
Dec 31, 1944.Karoline GUGGENHEIMERr n=E9e GEISMAR, his wife, was deported to
Gurs Oct. 22nd 1940, was in Camps Recebvedou, Nexon, Drancy and deported to
Auschwitz March 7, 1944. Their children, Flora BILDSTEIN and Irma FRANK,
fled to the USA.

Julie Jeanette GUGGENHEIMER nee WEIL, wife of Hermann GUGGENHEIMER was deported
from Mannheim to Gurs, Recebedou, Marseille, Les Milles ?, got free Dec. 24 1941
and could emigrate 1942 to the US. Hermann GUGGENHEIMER deported >from Mannheim to
Gurs, Recebedou, Less Milles, got free Dec. 24, 1941, fled to the US. Their
daughters Frieda and Martha fled to the US

Lion Rosa nee GUGGENHEIMER, deported to Gurs, Rivesaltes, Drancy, Oct. 14 42
to Auschwitz. There is a granddaughter living in New Jersey, USA.

I am especially seeking these descendants who came to the USA or any others
anywhere. I am a direct descendant of Marx GUGGENHEIMER, son Jakob GUGGENHEIMER
(born 1765 in Ihringen) and his wife Karolina Gwendel WEIL (born 1763), their son
the cantor of Breisach synagogue, Joseph GUGGENHEIMER ( born 1802 in Ihringen,
died June 6, 1887 in Breisach. I have found the descendants of all the cantor's
children except for Paulina, Marguerite, Nanette, and Rosa GUGGENHEIMER, all born
in Breisach between 1827 and 1849
Thank you in advance for any leads at all!

Dottie Miller San Antonio, TX USA


German SIG #Germany Descendants of GUGGENHEIMERs of Ihringen living in the USA #germany

Dottie Miller
 

I have just learned that there are children of GUGGENHEIMERs from
Ihringen, Baden, whose parents were deportedby the Nazis.

Marx GUGGENHEIMER, was deported >from Camp Recebedou in France to Auschwitz,
Dec 31, 1944.Karoline GUGGENHEIMERr n=E9e GEISMAR, his wife, was deported to
Gurs Oct. 22nd 1940, was in Camps Recebvedou, Nexon, Drancy and deported to
Auschwitz March 7, 1944. Their children, Flora BILDSTEIN and Irma FRANK,
fled to the USA.

Julie Jeanette GUGGENHEIMER nee WEIL, wife of Hermann GUGGENHEIMER was deported
from Mannheim to Gurs, Recebedou, Marseille, Les Milles ?, got free Dec. 24 1941
and could emigrate 1942 to the US. Hermann GUGGENHEIMER deported >from Mannheim to
Gurs, Recebedou, Less Milles, got free Dec. 24, 1941, fled to the US. Their
daughters Frieda and Martha fled to the US

Lion Rosa nee GUGGENHEIMER, deported to Gurs, Rivesaltes, Drancy, Oct. 14 42
to Auschwitz. There is a granddaughter living in New Jersey, USA.

I am especially seeking these descendants who came to the USA or any others
anywhere. I am a direct descendant of Marx GUGGENHEIMER, son Jakob GUGGENHEIMER
(born 1765 in Ihringen) and his wife Karolina Gwendel WEIL (born 1763), their son
the cantor of Breisach synagogue, Joseph GUGGENHEIMER ( born 1802 in Ihringen,
died June 6, 1887 in Breisach. I have found the descendants of all the cantor's
children except for Paulina, Marguerite, Nanette, and Rosa GUGGENHEIMER, all born
in Breisach between 1827 and 1849
Thank you in advance for any leads at all!

Dottie Miller San Antonio, TX USA


Seeking DEUTSCH of Budapest #hungary

Hans Peter Grab <hpgrab@...>
 

I am seeking information about family of Margaretha DEUTSCH, nee GRAB,
daughter of Alois/Alajos GRAB and of Franziska/Fanny, nee KATZ. Margaretha
GRAB was born May 30, 1898 in Prague, married Viktor DEUTSCH and lived with
his husband (and children?) in Budapest. The family was allegedly deported
to Auschwitz 1944.

If anyone knows of the DEUTSCH family, please contact me privately.

Thanks to all

Hanus GRAB
Domazlice - Plzen - Usti n/L - K. Vary - Augsburg


Hungary SIG #Hungary Seeking DEUTSCH of Budapest #hungary

Hans Peter Grab <hpgrab@...>
 

I am seeking information about family of Margaretha DEUTSCH, nee GRAB,
daughter of Alois/Alajos GRAB and of Franziska/Fanny, nee KATZ. Margaretha
GRAB was born May 30, 1898 in Prague, married Viktor DEUTSCH and lived with
his husband (and children?) in Budapest. The family was allegedly deported
to Auschwitz 1944.

If anyone knows of the DEUTSCH family, please contact me privately.

Thanks to all

Hanus GRAB
Domazlice - Plzen - Usti n/L - K. Vary - Augsburg


Auschwitz database #hungary

BOBBY FURST <bobby1st@...>
 

In case you didn't see this reference on the main Jewish Gen digest:
The Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum searchable database is now in
English.
http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/szukaj/index.php?language=EN

The total number of records in the database is 69,000. The search
displays no more than 40 names at a time even if there is indication
that many more are in the database.
At the "How To Search" link there is an explanation of the use of 'wildcard' entries.

Bobby Furst


Hungary SIG #Hungary Auschwitz database #hungary

BOBBY FURST <bobby1st@...>
 

In case you didn't see this reference on the main Jewish Gen digest:
The Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum searchable database is now in
English.
http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/szukaj/index.php?language=EN

The total number of records in the database is 69,000. The search
displays no more than 40 names at a time even if there is indication
that many more are in the database.
At the "How To Search" link there is an explanation of the use of 'wildcard' entries.

Bobby Furst


Re: From Courland to Novo Borislav #courland #latvia

Avi Lishower <lishower@...>
 

Dear Pavel

i was very happy to read your message in the "Courland Area Research Group"
because i can update you that i got information >from the archive in Riga
one family member Itchack Lischauer his wife
and 2 children move >from Kuldiga Latvia in year 1842 to Herson Ukraine i
think to Agricultural colony Novo Borislav
and >from then we lost contact with this family.
Pavel could you please update me with the address of the Mormon of
Melitopol archives
i will thank you if you or somebody els can show me the way how to request
research
in the mention Archive

thanking you in Advance

Avi Lishower

Ashdod Israel


Re: translation of few hungarian words #hungary

ilona lerman <phililona2001@...>
 

I recently came across the names of two places on my
great uncle's marriage record >from Rozhegy from
1897(today Ruzomberok Slovakia). Does anyone know of
these places- RASZTOK FALUN and BESENYO PATAK. Could
the latter be the same as Lipto Patak?
Also I found on a birth record the words GACS ORZAG.
Does this refer to the "state" of Galicia?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ilona Lerman
Beerot Yitzchak, Israel


Upper NY state Hungarian Jewish communities #hungary

Lois Clauson
 

Family stories say the Grossman, Kupferberg or Friedman relatives may have
spent time soon after late 1800s immigration, in upper state New York. Many
were furriers. Any idea which communities would have been attractive to
Hungarian Jews.

Lois Clauson
California


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia Re: From Courland to Novo Borislav #latvia #courland

Avi Lishower <lishower@...>
 

Dear Pavel

i was very happy to read your message in the "Courland Area Research Group"
because i can update you that i got information >from the archive in Riga
one family member Itchack Lischauer his wife
and 2 children move >from Kuldiga Latvia in year 1842 to Herson Ukraine i
think to Agricultural colony Novo Borislav
and >from then we lost contact with this family.
Pavel could you please update me with the address of the Mormon of
Melitopol archives
i will thank you if you or somebody els can show me the way how to request
research
in the mention Archive

thanking you in Advance

Avi Lishower

Ashdod Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary re: translation of few hungarian words #hungary

ilona lerman <phililona2001@...>
 

I recently came across the names of two places on my
great uncle's marriage record >from Rozhegy from
1897(today Ruzomberok Slovakia). Does anyone know of
these places- RASZTOK FALUN and BESENYO PATAK. Could
the latter be the same as Lipto Patak?
Also I found on a birth record the words GACS ORZAG.
Does this refer to the "state" of Galicia?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ilona Lerman
Beerot Yitzchak, Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary Upper NY state Hungarian Jewish communities #hungary

Lois Clauson
 

Family stories say the Grossman, Kupferberg or Friedman relatives may have
spent time soon after late 1800s immigration, in upper state New York. Many
were furriers. Any idea which communities would have been attractive to
Hungarian Jews.

Lois Clauson
California